User talk:Miguel.mateo/Archives/2008/March

Commemorative Euro coins
Hi Miguel, the page you are working at will no doubt be magnificent, but far too big. It is already 100 kB long, which is huge for a Wikipedia article. You had better turn this page into a sort of portal and make separate pages for the issues of the various countries that struck these coins. Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 22:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Steinbach, you are absolutely right, I wanted to finish with Austria (which I am almost done) to see what this will turn into. Knowing now that this article will definitely need to be split in several ones, I am currently thinking of the design of this first portal, trying to make it attractive and not only a set of links to other countries articles.  The current one you saw will be dedicated only to Austria.  Thanks for your suggestions and good comments. Miguel.mateo (talk) 23:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Common commemorative entries
Hi. You might want to consider mocking up the two-column idea in a user page of your own, so as to keep alterations and revisions from lengthening the already taxed talk page... I did the same thing for the entries... See here: User:Theeuro/sandbox/€2 commemorative coins common Cheers. The € • T/C 03:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, as long as both of you are watching my Talk page then it should be fine. Do you know how to do archiving?  I think that the commemorative talk page require some of it.Miguel.mateo (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria)
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Austria, (and by now Belgium, etc.) silver commemorative pages
Your pages are looking good! Well done, I see you've put another few hours into developing it, and it is coming along nicely. I'm inclined to go along and start having a go at some of the pages of the family too, like the Netherlands, Belgium, what have you. There is one thing that I don't understand: the market price. The thing is, as I mentioned this earlier, there is no established market price for the coins. What you put as the market price is the price at one of the sellers. But suppose I went to my local coin shop and asked the price of every single coin, and was given the price, wouldn't that be equally justified as a market price? Or, let's suppose that ad absurdum, I am a coin seller, and cite my own commercial website as a source of information, and quote double the price? Or triple? I could do that, wikipedia is free to edit. And so could anybody else. So you see, the problem is, the price you quote isn't the market price, it is from one vendor. It might coincide with the actual market price, I don't know, I can't disprove that. Nor can you prove that it does coincide. Unless a state or government has set the official price at a certain amount, ie. it is illegal to sell at any price different to that, then you're right about the price, but wrong about the source. However, governments and states don't set the price for any coin other than setting the face value. Anyways, a positive way out of this would be to look at official catalogues or even online auctions (not shops) to look for a range of the market price. If you put "Market price: €40-€80", you're in the safe, because if I bought my coin for €41 euro, it's accurate, and if I bought it for €75, it is still accurate. Right, sorry if my rant was a bit longer than expected. I'm off to find some piccies of my coins now :) Regards, George Adam Horváth (talk) 06:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

About commemorative coins of Ireland
I hear and agree with you, I have put that "2 article issue" in the discussion before I started. The Central Bank of Ireland doesn't launch many commemorative coins so the updating isn't much of an issue, In saying that I think what I will do is remove the Euro section from "Commemorative coins of Ireland" and allow the €5 Special Olympics coin go under "Euro gold and silver commemorative coins" even though technically its not gold or silver (what do you think of that idea?). I'm also going to add the ECU and the Patrick Pearse coins under "Commemorative coins of Ireland".

Sorry if I'm making a mess on your talk page wasn't sure whether to respond on my talk or your talk (which is the more conventional method?).Kevin hipwell (talk) 02:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Kevin. By default, when you add a comment in a talk page you also add that page to your watch list, so answering right there in your talk page is fine.


 * I agree with you: in the Commemorative coins of Ireland put as many details as possible about the pound coins and as little as possible about the euro ones, just a reference to the Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Ireland), and work out this final article. And of course you can add the 5 euro coin, a simple note at the top, something like "This article also cover some rear cases of Titanium, Niuboum coins issued" may be fine.  I did the same for Austria, since they mint Niobium coins.  I hope that helps, and once again, thank you for the partnership. Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
I am glad to help in your effort to make Euro gold and silver commemorative coins a truly excellent article. I would like to thank you greatly as your work on Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria) has inspired me to become a wikipeadian and by using that articles format in Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Ireland) it has helped me learn and understand the formating language of WikipediA. Thanks!! Kevin hipwell (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi buddy, you're welcome. I am quite busy these days, but I hope to get the Austrian article sorted out within this weekend.  Then I want to finish the Belgian article which I almost have all the information in my hands.  After that I am supposed to move to Finland (I am following a chronological order).  Don't stop in Ireland, I definitelly need your help, if you want to continue helping! ;) Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I have just Started on Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (France) article.Kevin hipwell (talk) 00:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Stats
In your argument in defending the Austria article against deletion you said "Please take a look at the stats, it has been only less than a month and it is receiving 40+ hits per day. That have to mean something right?", how do you look at stats? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin hipwell (talk • contribs) 14:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Check this out. Is a third party tool, so it may not work all the time. http://stats.grok.se/ Miguel.mateo (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Works Great Cheers! Kevin hipwell (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Layout
I'm still confused as to why to why you put a "white space &-nbsp; " between the obverse and reverse images in the articles. on my computer when there is no "white space" the Obverse image is directly below the Reverse however when there is a "white space" it causes the obverse image to be slightly out of alignment with the reverse. Are you getting different results?Kevin hipwell (talk) 16:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Kevin, what browser are you using? Can you take ascreen shot, crop it, and paste it. Maybe better to talk in the talk page of the article.  I searched a lot for the 5 euro 2003 image, but everything i found was low quality, I am still asking some contacts.  That is the reason why I stopped in just 2003. Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:2002 Austria 10 Euro Ambras Castle back.jpg
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Image copyright problem
I moved the article Euro gold and silver commemorative coins to Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria) ... now the FairuseBot is telling me that all the images need to be fixed. Is there any way to get this done automatically? For the images I have referenced in other articles I can take care of them manually. I am saying this because is more than 100 images. Thanks! Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I can do it. It's all the images used at Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Austria), right? --Carnildo (talk) 07:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes please, some of the images are also referenced in other articles, but I guess I can change those manually, since I am in the process of creating links back to this article, so they are just a few and it is easy for me to find out. However, I do need to know what to do in case that the same image is used in more than one article. Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, it is possible to also remove the tags '{Di-missing article links|day=15|month=April|year=2008}' under the lisence section for all the images? Thanks. Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Those can be removed, yes, but you'd have to do it manually. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * User Carnildo tweaked his Bot and now I do not have to do hundreds of manual changes. Thank you Carnildo for that.
 * TenPoundHammer: I would suggest that if you can not help then you do not remove the {helpme} tag. Others can help, as you saw in this sample. Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Nun
I have left a response for you at my talk page here: User talk:Dgf32. Dgf32 (talk) 05:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

General cross linking to coin articles
I can see you have done a lot of these with similar text into a lot of related articles. I will revert a few and probably other people will revert others. I appreciate your enthusiasm but please try to understand we can not have peripheral subjects in main WP articles, it isn't appropriate. --BozMo talk 06:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * While you are probably right, it is such a 'grey area'! It is quite difficult to determine what is substantial enough to create a reference and what is not. Will try to be careful going forward, maybe just my passion for numismatics (and people with the same interest) understands the real value of these references. Appreciate your comment though. Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)