User talk:Miguel~enwiki/JoeM

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This unfortunate exchange took place on August 18, 2003. -- Miguel

FOX IS FAIR AND BALANCED. Every conservative who comes on is brought on along with a liberal. You are just used to the liberal bias of the so-called "mainstream media" so much that when you finally get to watch something fair and balanced, you think that it's biased to the right. JoeM

FOX is a highly conservative news organization. CNN, NBC, ABC, etc., are conservative as well, but, not to the extent that FOX is. Vancouverguy 00:34, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Hey, guys, can we move the discussion to Talk:American Mainstream Media? :-) &mdash; Miguel

- THINK! Now "mainstream" media outlet is to the right of FOX because the media is liberal. When you're used to Communist propaganda, anything's going to seem conservative. And don't be crazy by saying that the media is "conservative." Ann Coulter and Bernard Goldberg PROVED otherwise. Read these books right away. You're brainwahsed by the liberal media. And that's a good idea. I'm going to have to write some content for the article on American Mainstream Media. JoeM


 * The key word is content. -- Miguel


 * Ann Coulter? Isn't that the author of Treason? -- Miguel

Calling the media "communist" is a bit rediculous.Vancouverguy 00:40, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Of course FOX is somewhat social-democrat all the other (NBC, ABC etc...) are either communist or trostkyist ;-)
 * Ericd 00:45, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * NO, NO, NO!!!!!!! FOX is the only network where the liberals and conservatives get equal time. Maybe it's just that the conservative ideas are so superior that you noticed the liberal commentators always lose. Well, when liberal ideas and conservative ideas are given equal time, the conservative ideas always come out on top. That's why America, the freest market, is the richest country in the work, and North Korea, the most left-wing regime in the world, is starving. JoeM
 * To call North Korea left-wing is a joke, as in totalitarian regimes left and right don't matter. And the US is on its merry way to bankruptcy because of the massive public and private debt. -- Miguel
 * No, North Korea is the archtypical regime of the left. It is the most economically centralized country in the world and the country with the highest degree of public ownership. At least the Nazis didn't mess up the economy, by contrast they improved it, until they were all bombed out after losing the war. THat's because the totalitarian regimes on the right maintain private ownership. Now all anti-democratic thought is evil, including Nazism. But North Korea is starving because it is the most leftwing country in the world in that it's the most government controlled. America, probably the least government-controlled economy in the world, in contrast, is the richest. The freer the market the freer the people. The freer the market the richer the country. JoeM


 * Nazi Germany passed laws that allowed the government to control the way factories and other industries operated, as well as imposing strict controls on the hiring, firing and wages of worker, in effect taking them over. As well, saying North Korea's economy is "publicly owned" is a joke.Vancouverguy 01:02, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * That was corporatism, not nationalization. Incentives were still in place. Nazi Germany nationalized little. Everything in North Korea and Cuba is nationalized. Most everything in China is nationalized too. Think. JoeM


 * "Free market in Nazi Germany" that's the best joke of the year !
 * Ericd 01:09, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * No, they had private ownership of productive forces. Government control of the distrubution. THat was state capitalism, but at least it was somewhat capitalistic. North Korea, on the other hand, is state socialistic. JoeM

North Korea's economy is owned by the government, not the public. Vancouverguy 01:11, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hey, guys, can we move the discussion to Talk:Left-Right-Totalitarian triangle? :-) &mdash; Miguel

Man, when I refactor my talk page I'm going to get a political science textbook out of it ;-) &mdash; Miguel

Yep.Vancouverguy 01:06, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)