User talk:Mikaey/Archives/2009/October

a user you previously interacted with
you once had a subpage about tothwolf's failure to agf and other potential transgressions. please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Continued_wikistalking.2Fwikihounding_and_harassment_from_User:Miami33139 also see [].

i feel that he has this long pattern of this type of behavior. perhaps you have access to the subpage still to see. Theserialcomma (talk) 08:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to get involved in it. I can't seem to win on that front, and I don't have the energy to deal with it.  However, if you can find an uninvolved admin that thinks it would be helpful to have that available, then they have my permission to undelete it for you.  It's still stored in the database (at User:Mikaey/Tothwolf), it just needs to be undeleted.  Thanks,  Mikaey,  Devil's advocate  03:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Mikaey, if you or another impartial admin need these links for any reason, I'm happy to provide them, just let me know. --Tothwolf (talk) 20:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I still had you talk page watchlisted and saw User:Theserialcomma's attempt to involve themselves in something that does not involve them. You might also want to be aware of this attempt by Theserialcomma to start trouble in this area. There are some other diffs, but unless Theserialcomma decides to have a go at making trouble again (they know they aren't innocent), I have no reason to bring them forward. Theserialcomma does need to be aware that I have everything saved from the last time they stirred up trouble, including an AN/I report that I never posted. --Tothwolf (talk) 06:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * quit showing up in ANI for the same reasons you harassed me (someone votes against you in an AFD and you claim they are stalking you), and i will stop noticing. mikaey, please undelete this page. this trend of tothwolf's behavior is now affecting up to 4 separate editors, unrelated editors in the past week. my only involvement is reading about it on ANI Theserialcomma (talk) 17:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Harassed you? The way I seem to remember it, You got your knickers in a twist over my pointing out your attempt to further escalate the situation surrounding the YTCracker AfDs.
 * Articles for deletion/The Digital Gangster LP
 * Articles for deletion/Nerdrap Entertainment System
 * Articles for deletion/YTCracker (3rd nomination)
 * Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive540
 * After which you began a massive campaign of wikistalking/wikihounding up to filing a false claim of COI on COI/N and a false SPI report against me (which you have a history of doing to other editors with whom you have a dispute with) and following me around reverting my edits and nominating things for AfD. I have all the links right here and we can certainly do a full report if you are really intent on dredging this up. I had hoped after you were warned and told repeatedly to disengage and to leave me alone that you had decided to let things be however these recent actions of yours seem to indicate otherwise.

per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Tothwolf and the ANI thread, and according to Tothwolf... Miami33139, Joe Chill, JBSupreme, and I are all harassing/stalking him. this guy is out of control. Theserialcomma (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Miami33139 and JBsupreme, absolutely (and documented). Joe Chill I'm trying to AGF and think he may have just got caught up in Miami33139's actions. In your case, Theserialcomma, you've been butting in each time you've seen my username somewhere. Btw, Theserialcomma, I still have my webserver logs from your attempt at outing me and can provide those if someone ever requests them. --Tothwolf (talk) 21:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * so you think that threatening to reveal my supposed IP is somehow going to help you? or are you just threatening me to try to scare me? or what? how would you ever prove that IP is mine? you need to seriously just act proper and no one will complain about you further. stop involving me in this drama immediately with your threats and nonsense. i am 100% uninterested in interacting with you on any level. if you continue to harass people by claiming false harassment, and it comes to my attention, I will point the proper people in the right direction to see your history. as for you personally, i don't want to talk to you in any way. you can keep your creepy and fake IP logs. no need to respond here further because i'm uninterested in your threats or drama Theserialcomma (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Mikaey, Tothwolf states that User:Mikaey/Tothwolf "contains nothing that is unavailable in my contributions"[]; however, I don't believe this to be true. i think you had added your own comments to the page, and so therefore there is information available in that page that is not available in tothwolf's contributions. Further, tothwolf states "It was deleted because it contains a fair number of errors and inaccuracies and was woefully incomplete"[]. would you consider this to be an accurate assessment of the content and the reason it was deleted? thanks. Theserialcomma (talk) 04:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 
 * Woefully incomplete, yes, but only because I didn't have the patience to go back through all of Tothwolf's contributions. And yes, as Fabrictramp pointed out, it contains my interpretation of things, but I believe that my errors were at a minimum.  Was that why it was deleted?  No, not at all.  It was deleted because another admin pointed out to me that having such a page in my userspace could make it look like I had a mission against him.   Mikaey,  Devil's advocate  03:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

A belated congratulations
Hello Mikaey :) I haven't really been active on Wikipedia for the past few months. I just noticed you managed to attain adminship. Congratulations! Not bad for 4 months since your last RfA  Neu  tralle  11:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Mikaey,  Devil's advocate  03:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Note
Hi Mikaey; just to let you know I've added another proposed remedy (possibly in lieu of enacting your proposal) at the Tothwolf ANI discussion for the reasons I stated. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Article Deletion
Hi Mikaey,

I just noticed that my post for IJango has been removed. I also noticed the comments of Leo Bloom for the deletion. He recommended me to contact you first.

I would like to request a temporary undeletion of the article, but the procedure says that first I should contact the administrator.

Two main reasons were posted for the deletion:


 * 1) Irrelevance of the product.
 * 2) It was being frequently edited by a "new" user and converted in an unacceptable article (blatant publicity).

I am not sure if the first argument - relevance - matters at all. iJango is a scam, and my main purpose was to expose it as such. I considered that this had a double merit: (1) document the existence of this scam, and (2) help people who was not sure if this was a real way to make money, or it was a scam.

About argument 2 -- constant attempts to "fix" the article -- I would say that that is an unfortunate side effect of the open collaboration environment of Wikipedia. Many other articles have been victims of vicious and repeated attacks, vandalism, malicious edits, etc., and that has not been a reason for deletion, but rather for protection.

At this point I am asking for your advice. I would like to have the article temporarily restored and restricted of any changes, to see its history after I created it, and then restore it or enhance it, and have it protected from malicious changes. However, maybe I should just put it in a list of known scams (I have not checked out yet if there is an article about scams).

I don't remember creating an article that was deleted before, so I am asking you for your help to figure out the best way to handle this situation.

Thank you for your time, and I am looking forward to receiving your response.

Best wishes,

Luis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luiscolorado (talk • contribs) 20:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Luis,


 * While I admire your motives, I'd have to cite two principles:
 * Articles on Wikipedia should have a neutral point of view, therefore, articles shouldn't make the assumption that things are scams, unless the claim is backed up by multiple, reliable sources.
 * Wikipedia is not a how-to site, and should not give advice.
 * Based on that, I am going to decline to undelete the article. If you would like to start from scratch, I suggest creating a page in your own userspace, and building the article up from there.
 * Thanks, Mikaey,  Devil's advocate  02:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Listasbot
Are the tasks listed at User:ListasBot fully up to date? A substantial update to WPBiography will hopefully take place in the next few days, and this will require a number of changes to the bot's behaviour. Regards. PC78 (talk) 22:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've updated the task list (task 3 is inactive due to community request, and I never did add task 6 to the list). What's the nature of the overhaul?   Mikaey,  Devil's advocate  16:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Conversion to WPBannerMeta, primarily. A few parameters will be depreacted, a few new ones will be added. There's also been a lot of discussion regarding the priority parameter, so changes are likely to be implemented there. PC78 (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)