User talk:MikeAllen/October-November 2010

=October 2010=

Alice in Wonderland (2010 film)
Hi. I have nominated Alice in Wonderland (2010 film) as a good article. As the primary contributor, you may be interested in watchlisting the talk page. Thanks! Viriditas (talk) 01:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That was my plan from the get-go, but I kind of drifted away from the page. During the nomination if the reviewer has a concern about the bullets being used in the casting section, let's not forget to show them the talk page where it was agreed to do that way.  I haven't edited the page in a while, but it still has potential to be a GA. Look forward to doing what I can to help; though it may be a while before someone starts the review process.  Mike   Allen   02:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm watching the special features right now to see if you've covered all the bases. I think we're missing a bit about Colleen Atwood.  Anyway, good work on the article! Viriditas (talk) 02:08, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean on the DVD/Blu-Ray? Also, User:Emtigereyes is a primary contributor too.  Mike  Allen   20:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On the note of this film, would you mind looking at the current debate on the Talk Page regarding "Jabberwock vs. Jabberwocky", and its addition to writing and development? While I have my issues with this topic still, I recanted somewhat and reinstated a comment, though I edited it to address a complaint of synthetic statement. Emtigereyes (talk) 18:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I felt more hesitant on this topic because it was dealing with story source material.  However, your point is correct - once we bring the statement of poem title vs. creature name in, it creates confusion.  I may just need to work on being more hard-edged with some things.  Slowly but surely getting there.  :)  Emtigereyes (talk) 16:17, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I Stoled it first! ;-)
Hiya again Mike! You've got a message at AJona1992's talk page. ;-) Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

hi it's about the movie twelve - Jessica, a plain girl who frequents many parties - a plain girl? did you see the film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.110.136.245 (talk) 00:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Final Destination 5
Mike, I saw that you messaged Steve about fixing Final Destination 5 and Final Destination 5 (film). (I was checking to see if he ever came back from wherever he went.) I put in an uncontroversial request at WP:RM, and the titles should be amended shortly. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch Erik. :-)  Mike  Allen   00:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILMS September 2010 Newsletter
The September 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Good job Mike!
Having just seen the news, I wish to extend my best wishes. WikiProject Films is lucky to have you. Kudos!  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism comment
Thank you for that post on my wall, at least somebody noticed he's not a perfect user. Jayy008 (talk) 16:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all. If you disagree or try to point them in the right direction, you're suddenly "rude" and they are going "report you".  Mike   Allen   21:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, exactly, it's ridiculous. I'm guessing you deal with things like things like this quite often, can I come to you with issues like that? Jayy008 (talk) 12:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been dealing with them for a while, (I've just removed their comments from my talk page, and they remove mine from their page) after they started uploading copyrighted images with false licenses. Tried to communicate with them, but they just came back "I don't need any stalkers/creepers".  Since then I occasionally get hit with a "You're rude and you're going to be reported" messages.   Anyway, if you have any questions, feel free to let me know.  Here or email.  Mike   Allen   18:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, dear. That's kind of irritating. But yes, thank you, I'll do that. Jayy008 (talk) 12:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Film cleanup
Hi Mike - I've added a section on the co-ordinators page here. Input welcome.  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm confused about using the unbulleted list template. Is it something that works now and should be proliferated in all film infoboxes? Perhaps it's something to add to WikiProject Films/Bot requests, based on the discussion Lugnuts started. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 18:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well... the last time I had checked the infobox film template it was something that was included. Then someone had a concern it wasn't working in IE6, and I thought that was fixed?  When I add the budget or something, I go ahead and add the UBL... but yes, if it's going to be widely used then preferably a bot can do it---lol.   Mike   Allen   18:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ...And now the template suggests using a break line. I'm behind it seems. :P  Mike   Allen   18:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Lara Croft GoL - GAN
Probably not. I really just try to get a solid B-Class for most XBLA games, but it's probably not far off from GAN if you'd like to nominate it. --Teancum (talk) 01:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Article Incubator/Batman film (2012)
Please weigh in at this discussion.-5- (talk) 01:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks but the majority of people don't agree with it, so I rather not waste my time discussing something that will fall on deaf ears. Thanks for letting me know though.  Mike  Allen   01:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

AbsoluteGleek92
Do you intend to take this user to ANI? I support the move. He makes a lot of positive edits, but never uses edit summaries, never posts to talk pages, has never responded to a single message on his talk page, in other words, shows no sign of communicating with other editors. It is time for a wider discussion on this matter. ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive' 19:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably later today. I had forgotten about it, haven't seen him/her lately on my watchlist.  Thanks for reminding me. :)  Mike   Allen   06:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. I had added yet another request for an edit summary on his page and saw your message.  So, I thought I'd remind you.  Cheers! ---  RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  14:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

List of Saw Characters and Saw 3D
Do you think it would be prudent to have protection on either of these pages (Im thinking more the List of characters one) for the week of its release? It's already somewhat of a chore to deal with even with the hidden-tags that say "Do not put this information here" that I can only imagine how bad it will get for the first few days. Plus, due to the nature of the character list, its quite easy to be looking at someone from the early films and get a huge spoiler from the final film that I can see someone throwing in there. People seem to have a lot of time to burn on here when it comes to vandalism.

Not sure if you can actually get pre-emptive protection but thought you may know more about it. Thanks for readingDarkwarriorblake (talk) 19:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Saw 3D was protected until its release, but then the release date was October 22. So I imagine it's unprotected now. :P  They usually don't protect pages when a new film comes out, unless it's really hard to control the vandalism, and even then it's not protected for that long. I'm not watching the Saw articles on October 28 (some countries see it then).  The plot summary will probably be 2000 words long or something and that's a chore to get it slimmed down and to stay that way.   I don't see a problem with getting the List of Saw characters article protected for the time being, it's always being battered.   Mike   Allen   21:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm hoping to see it as early as possible so I can try and fix the inevitable horrors that follow but yeah if the characters page can be protected that'd be handy because that will be a pain for a week or so, especially Lawrence GOrdons, I can already see the fest that will become, its been a pain already and the film isn't out.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

My Week with Marilyn
Hello Mr Film Coordinator, how have you been? Working together on Inglourious Basterds seems like so long ago now and yet I'm still keeping a close eye on it (what is with that war over the category?) and occasionally tweaking bits here and there. Thank God you archived the references, I just went to sort out three links that the 'bot marked as dead. Maybe one day we can take it to FAC (though it's a very scary place there, which is why I like to stick with FLC) Now, what I actually came here for was the My Week with Marilyn article. I came across it Tuesday and it was a small stub with just a cast list and little information, so yesterday I expanded it (and took it to DYK). I just wondered if you could take a look at it and see what you think. I think everything is in the right place. The development section needs some work though, but I wasn't really sure what should go there. - JuneGloom07    Talk?  21:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well from my limited experience in FAC, if the film is popular it will attract more reviewers. I put Saw VI through it and it was closed due to no consensus.  I think it's pretty good, so in my mind and heart it is a featured great article.  I don't need a gold star on the top to prove that. LOL!   But we'll need to look through some offline sources for Inglourious Basterds; like magazines, newspapers, etc.  I have access to Newsbank.  We'll need a GREAT copyeditor and possibly find some free images.  I'll take a look at My Week with Marilyn and get back with you.  Thanks. :)  Mike   Allen   00:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

"Critics are correct."
If that word is fine, then why is the section called "Critical reception" when it deals with both positive and negative responses?--EclecticEnnui (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The guidelines on the top of my page plainly state: "Please use diffs when talking about edits." I have no clue what page you're talking about.  Can you provide me the page in question?  Mike   Allen   22:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but your edit was just earlier today. It's for the film [|Red].--EclecticEnnui (talk) 02:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that is an issue. "Critics" have been used for years here.  Disscus it at the WT:FILM page.   Mike   Allen   02:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But it's strange how that word is used for a negative review when the section is, again, called "Critical reception" that deals with both positive and negative. I figure another word is better so it's not confusing.--EclecticEnnui (talk) 06:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikiquette alerts
I've left a reply here. Am I supposed to defend myself on that page? Or just let it be resolved? Jayy008 (talk) 09:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Irrelevant now. I read on there something a user said that it's only for dispute resolution. I was mainly posting my concerns about the rudeness/bullying. What kind of outcome can I expect from it? The user being blocked? Forced to change the way he addresses people with threat of block? Jayy008 (talk) 22:38, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * CloudKade is not even taking part in the discussion anymore. I'm not familiar with the Wikiquette alert system, so I don't know what kind of outcome will develop; but if it doesn't work, I would really consider taking him/her to AN/I.  I added my evidence that supports their incivility towards editors, maybe that wasn't the right place.  The instructions say to ignore them at first, I have ignored him/her for months, but when they are affecting more editors, something needs to be done---so thank you for taking the first step.  I guess just wait and see at this point.  Mike   Allen   00:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, if nothing comes of it. I will take it to ANI and put a link to the other discussion. Jayy008 (talk) 17:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Doris Roberts
I request that you make the edit you suggested on the Doris Robert's talk page, stating in a second paragraph her performance and award history.μηδείς (talk) 23:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Uh oh...we might have a problem
We have an IP who repeatedly keeps posting a fake plot (or at least an un-sourced spoiler) for the movie on the Saw 3D page. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 23:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, I made a comment summary saying this person broke the Three Reverts Rule, but this IP still has one more chance. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 00:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I seen it be reverted by another IP. I'm scared to look at it.. does it sound really fake? No one has seen the film yet, so... I wouldn't think it was real.  If they keep it up, they need to be reported to AN/I.  Mike   Allen   00:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I read it. Frankly, it's pretty believable. To be honest, I wouldn't be that happy if that was the real ending or something - it's just so...not surprising. Maybe you should avoid looking at it...the movie comes out soon anyway. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 00:52, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How are you coming out on the List of Saw characters page? Does it need to be protected or is it under controlled?  So many new characters in Flesh & Blood, it seems.  Not counting the ones in Saw 3D (17 so far); the page will become quite oversize, though some characters may be grouped together, like some Saw VI characters.  I guess we'll all cross that bridge when it comes.  Mike   Allen   01:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the Saw video game characters could be split into its own article? <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike  Allen   01:15, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if Zeke, Barry, Donovan, and Griff are notable enough to be listed. They do have a little back-story; basically, it's just their name and their "flaw" from Jigsaw's tapes. They aren't "generic" enemies, though; Zeke, Barry, and Donovan appear more than once. Zeke appears in a couple of cutscenes (where you have to help save him) and a few quick-time sequences (where he tries to kill you and you have to run away). I think Griff appears once - you have the choice to save him or let him die...and that's it...I don't think you see him again after that (at least from what I remember). Donovan is a recurring mini-boss (you fight him in the game a total of three times). Finally, Barry is sort of like an obstacle you have to avoid (he appears twice, I believe), until you have to dispose of him. These guys don't play a huge part in the story. What do you think? I also got called an idiot by a random IP on that page, which makes me =(  - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 01:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't played the game, so haven't been keeping up with those characters. From the sound of it, no they don't need to be included.  If they don't actually have a story in the game, they shouldn't be listed.  It's like someone kept adding officers from the Saw films that just stand in the background. No one cares about a "character" standing in the background with no lines.   An idiot?  I've been called worst.  When you're to the point of insulting other editors because of how something is written... it's time to log off the www and get a life. :P   Do you watch the movies? <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   01:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My first time being insulted on Wikipedia. :D Anyways, of course I watch the movies. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 03:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Did you like the game? <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike  Allen   03:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh...it was alright. Pretty much like the first game, and the combat still sucks. I think the games would be scarier and more fun to play in a first-person perspective. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 03:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, someone told me that the "Hello Zepp" tune is not played in the game. The endings do not have a flashback sequence.  So disappointing.  I was wondering if you were a fan of the movies, in case you accidentally get spoiled here.  I predict someone will post plot synopsis tomorrow since the Hollywood premiere is tomorrow and some fans were lucky enough to be able to attend. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   01:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * About that protection for the characters page...I saw your revert, that jerk probably just ruined the freaking film. Unbelievable.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Might want to get off the Saw articles until you see it. It will be released in Australia later tonight (US time), since there is a big time difference. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   19:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha! I spoiled the movie for myself; I couldn't help it (I'm still going to watch it anyways). ^ I think it was my third post where I said that "if that was the real ending or something - it's just so...not surprising." That spoiler was right (well...mostly). Haha, so predictable. Same ending again - third time's the charm though, right? (sarcasm) - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 03:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That was predicted by fans years ago (see the YouTube video of "the man limping adding the key to Michael's eye") and on the HOJ about the package Jill dropped off, and everything else. The writers just copied from fan forums.  I was all for Gordon being back, but I honestly thought they would think of something else.  The thing is.. it is never explained why Gordon would want to help him in the first place.  And the whole "all of my work has been leading to this".  Leading to what?  John's work was not explained and closed.   That's great, leave Hoffman in the there to "die".. like someone hasn't gotten out of that before.  The HOJ forums are being bombed with the same reaction as this.  I feel very bad for Kevin; he was forced back on a week before filming and did some re-writes.  Though nothing could saved it.  Saw 3D is David Hackl's vision, not Kevin.  But now Kevin has it on his resume...   <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   04:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's unfortunate. You think another Saw movie is going to happen sometime in the future? Based on the unanswered questions, its sounds like a possibility. Or is this really the end? - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 05:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Kevin had said that if one was to be released next year... it would already have to be in pre-production. Maybe in a few years... who knows.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   05:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Got a question. Is Detective Fisk notable enough to be listed on the List of Saw characters? He is a minor character, but he has appeared in two of the films.- W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 04:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say so. I mean he has no character development, but his character is used to set up some significant scenes/plot in a few of the films. However, there are other officers/detectives that people were adding that were just.. "there".   Have you seen Saw 3D?<span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   05:17, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. The garage trap was one of my favorite parts. Gibson's acting was so hilariously bad, he is so awesome. - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 05:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought Gabby's role was insignificant with all the work she did on Scream Queens to get it. I thought her death was pretty awesome though. lol   I think Chad is is the worst actor/character in the Saw series, next to Greg (Mallick). :P <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   06:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Quick Question....
You wouldn't happen to be the same MikeAllen of 28DL, are you? Bytemeh (talk) 06:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid not. I'm curious, what is 28DL? <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   06:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see---after a google search, you must think I am this guy? No. :)  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   06:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 28 Days Later Analysis - one of the best horror sites out there. Ah, just wanted to ask. Bytemeh (talk) 06:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

=November 2010=

WP:FILM October 2010 Newsletter
The Octoberr 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Saw 3D soundtrack
Hi ya Mike. Great job on the article. What's needed to clean up that soundtrack listing is song-writer credits. I'd find them and add them myself, but I'm a bit busy at the moment. Try allmusic.com to see if they have them there. Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, AllMusic doesn't list that information for this soundtrack. Are there more sites to look at that would have that?  Thanks. :) <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   19:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Whups. Should've been more specific. Click on the song titles to get the songwriter credits! Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh! I didn't know this.  I'll have to update the Saw VI article also.  Thanks again. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   20:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Saw 3d fancruft
I just reverted a fancruft addition to Saw 3D, but it seems my edit coincided with yours and glitched. Are you seeing a massive incomplete trap description that doesn't show up in the page source? --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 20:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to be gone now. I reverted it twice.  I was trying to update the box office and kept getting edit conflicts with that IP.  So aggravating---that stuff belongs on the Saw Wikia.  Thanks for helping to keep it off the article. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   22:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Saw 3D
Finally saw it. I absolutely loved it, even the 3D was great, which I was ready to slaughter. What did you think? I was avoiding the wiki article like a plague until I could see the film but I've just read the plot and it seems like a very good, concise summary. Anything needing help? Ground Z3R0   002  08:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You haven't seen it yet?? No.. I wasn't the happy with it.  See above section for my thoughts. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   08:27, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw it thursday. Yeah I agree with your thoughts, the gordon plot was predictable. But I'm glad the focus wasn't gordon, I really liked the Hoffman/Jill plot. I liked how it fleshed out like a classic suspense thing, ya know? The Bobby Dagen trials weren't too original but I liked the extra bit of "faking a trap then being forced to actually do it" then the cops coming in on an active trap. I'm just glad how everybody died at the end, almost like a shakepearean tragedy. It wasn't art by no means, but a good way to end the series. I liked the bathroom and how the saw was taken from Hoffman, it would have been so much better if the last line was "Most people are so ungrateful to be alive, but not you, not anymore. Game over." Any thoughts you had? Ground  Z3R0   002  02:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I wished the story was polished and wasn't so rushed. They could have explained why Dr. Gordon would even help John.  Not that much John in the film.  A lot of things didn't make sense.  They showed VERY little of the survivors.  Only Simone had lines.  Mallick was brought back.. but why? He just sat there.  They could at least showed if he "learned" anything.   Who was the two pig masks with Gordon??   Lol.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   06:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree the survivor part really let me down. I was looking at the group for little nods of people from early films, but no. Instead they add new "survivors" we've never seen. Mallick was such an awful character anyways I'm glad he had no lines. I bet the two other pigmasks with Gordon were other survivors he rallied, idk. Hey that poster I added, are you sure that was a teaser poster? I think it's the final theatrical because it was the one my theater had up when I saw it. Ground  Z3R0   002  22:42, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see here.   Anyway, maybe I'll enjoy it more when I see it on DVD.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   23:14, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh hmm I wonder why my theater can't get it right. Yeah I hope so but I doubt that, 3D movies never look as good when being seen in 2D. The deaths will look cheesy. But who knows. Anyways, I know I haven't been wiki-ing as much lately but my schedule is starting to clear up and I'm getting the urge to edit some things lol I'm going to see how well I can boost the Saw II: Flesh & Blood article first, but is there anything I can help on with other things? It seems like you have the movie articles handled superbly, great job. Why is Saw 3D only a C-class article? It's already easily a GA-class in my opinion. It's quite progressing toward an FA with the volume of detail and great formatting. Ideas? Ground  Z3R0   002  00:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It won't make it through a GAN right now, with all the edits going on (unstable). Plus the Box office section is not done since the movie is still playing in theaters.  So maybe after it ends its theater run or after the home media gets released (January probably).  I think the article is B class though. :P Kevin's sister was kind enough to release her Saw pictures (from Comic Con and the premiere in Hollywood) under Creative Commons, so I've gotten some free pictures. Saw VI failed its featured article nomination a few months ago.  On List of Saw media, is all that listed at the bottom appropriate and if so, doesn't it need to be in templates like the rest (with sources)? <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   01:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah edit wars with that plot section wont end for a month or two. I was scanning around and thought that the box office section for the Nightmare on Elm Street (2010 film) article was pretty quality. We could compare to other Saw opening weekends and gross, bring up number of theaters and per theater gross, all that good stuff. What do you think? Do you have any communication with Kevin? thats cool you got to get those free pics. Yeah, I kind of expected a tough sell on FA for VI, but this 3D article is even better than that one so never give up! Funny thing, I saw those extra tidbits at the bottom of List of Saw media and thought I should remove them, but then I figured you monitored all Saw pages well enough that I didn't want to delete something if you wanted it to stay. I'm going to delete that all, most are useless gatherings and none could be sourced well. Formatting is pointlessly listed and its not even true media, therefore I'm just going to delete. Agreed? Ground  Z3R0   002  04:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nightmare is very well researched and written. I've noticed it reads that it took in $1.6 million on it Thursday midnight showings and set a new record for biggest midnight showings for a horror film.  Saw 3D made $1.7 million on its midnight Thursday showings. ALTHOUGH, Saw 3D had 8pm, 9pm, 10pm, etc showings on that Thursday, which was tallied in.  So.. I guess Saw 3D didn't break that record since it wasn't just midnight showings.  I'll look around.  Anyway to your original comment, lol, I've only chatted with Kevin on the house of jigsaw forums (and I really didn't talk directly to him, he just answered a question I had).  I found some Saw images on Flickr that was "copyrighted" and emailed the user to see if they would release it under CC for Wikipedia. They accepted and signed their name with Cathy Greutert.  She said she was Kevin's sister.  I asked her to take some for the Hollywood premiere (I think she was anyway). I was hoping to get a good one of Costas. lol
 * I recently revamped the Tobin Bell page (see before snapshot). I was working on it since early October on my userpage and had a lot more to add, but with the release of Saw 3D and the page was getting more viewers I thought I might as well make what I had done live.  About the media page, yes I would remove it.  I have a lot of Saw pages on my watchlist, but right now my main focus is Saw 3D, the character page and franchise page, finally got the last two protected.  Sick of the same crap people add. "Saw 3D is not the last film, Mark Burg and Betsy Russell confirms Saw 8 has begun production".  Give a rest. Lol.   I added reviews (chart) for Saw II: Flesh & Blood. If you've played the game, maybe copyedit the plot?  I haven't played it yet. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   05:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Nominate a page for deletion?
hey mike, I was just wondering how to nominate a page for deletion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plot_twists#

I saw this page and was wondering why it even exists..... it is a list of six movies and one video game that have a "plot twist". WHY? How is that helpful at all, to anyone? Does the page deserve to be deleted or can it stay? (Moviedude346 (talk) 19:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC))
 * It looks like it went through AFD this past September, and was kept on the grounds of no consensus. Do you wish to take it back to AFD?  I'm more concerned on why Saw and Se7en isn't listed on the page.  I'm going to round up a source and add it.. lol.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   21:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Reinhart or Denlon?
I'm not sure who changed Jeff's surname, but they claim that " 'Reinhart' was a random name submitted to IMDb by a fan." However, just because Jeff is married to Lynn Denlon doesn't mean they both have the same last name. The official Saw website says Reinhart. Is that true, or should we change it back? - W ANINOKOZ  (T ALK ) 03:45, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what they say and Kevin on the HOJ made a comment like "Oh so that's where that name came from". Just because a fan submitted an idea and Lionsgate actually ran with it doesn't make it invalid.  At first I was like yeah it makes sense for it to be Denlon and Lionsgate probably wrote "Reinhart" so viewers wouldn't know they were husband and wife.  I say now to go with Reinhart since that is what Lionsgate officially accepts. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   04:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Notification
As you participated in the ban discussion of SkagitRiverQueen, you are being notified of this Proposal to amend ban on SRQ imposed at ANI: from 1 year to indef. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

List of plot twists
Hi. I have removed your addition to List of plot twists. While it was by no means a bad addition, the consensus for dealing with this page is that every entry must have a reliable source that specifically talks about the notability (not just existance) of that plot twist. If we don't stick to this, the article will return to the unmanageable state it was in before a couple of editors did a major tidy up on it, where it was just filled with unsourced entries and jokes. I hope that makes sense - just wanted to explain my reasons!-- K orr u ski Talk 09:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Well I added a source (that was in the "Sources") section before I read this message.  I'm sure there are sites that discuss the plot twist in detail. I'll look for it later.  Thanks for leaving me a message. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   09:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Saw
Is appearing for one moment in a flashback scene considered to be an appearance? Or does Trevor actually have a role in Saw 3D? I don't know; I haven't watched the film, but I have seen the ending and I know he shows up there. Personally I'd say that the actor should have filmed some new scenes to count as an appearance, not just show up in a flashback. hbdragon88 (talk) 02:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He did film a new scene. That scene you saw was a "flashback", but he was actually on set.  He's credited at the end credits, but don't think Noam Jenkins (Michael Marks) is for some reason.
 * Oh...I see now. The scene with Dr. Gordon sewing Trevor's eyes up was brand new, right?  And the "My eyes!' was from Saw IV? hbdragon88 (talk) 20:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes when Gordon sews his eyes shut that is new footage. Him yelling "MY eyes"---I'm not sure if that's archive footage or not.  Probably not since the actor was already on set. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   04:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

List of SAW media
I am replying to your statement that this article was not designed for 'Listing all Saw-related media'. Well, I must correct you that it WAS, hence the name 'List of Saw media', it also appears to me that you are a SAW fan and not a theme park enthusiast and seem to know very little about them. I am not trying to be rude, I'm just saying what I believe's what.

--94.168.95.164 (talk) 11:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not a place for a list of Saw related media without a source. Millahnna (talk) 19:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * What I've been trying to explain to you is that when you add something to Wikipedia that is likely to be challenged by someone else (and by now you should know this, you have been here as long as I have; this was something I learned very quickly) you add a source supporting what you add. Now you're engaging in an edit war to support your point of view, when you could be looking for sources for those attractions.  The page is turning into a indiscriminate list of information, and the bullet lists at the bottom is very out of place.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print"> Mike   Allen   19:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)