User talk:MikeLynch/Archive 17

OWIS
Mike,

Sorry to rain on your parade. What needs doing was what I was doing at OWISFULL IT. You need to download the syllabus of Class IX & X from here Class XI & XII & from here. Get the syllabus out into the page, check what applies & add. Then & then alone can we ensure that the basic topics are children cover are included in the Encyclopedia.

AshLin (talk) 15:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * If the Maths syllabus for IX to XII has been carefully checked line by line through the syllabus for possible relevant articles & these have been included by you and other editors of Maths, then it's good to go to the next step - cleanup check followed by cleanup. But if the checking of sylabus has been done perfunctorily or partially, your team may like to do a more detailed check, as we don't want to return to this step once we go ahead. AshLin (talk) 16:27, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
New information for defining "university" in an Indian context. Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 06:55, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012
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Citations help
in some pages there are so many citations to the wiki pages which don't exist, so is it better to leave them as it is (as it may help someone write that page) or provide an external link which really has lots of information (and may help a reader for more information) which is better? Murughendra  talk  13:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * By citations, I think you mean wikilinks. red links (links to pages that don't exist) are okay to have. External links within the body of text are not encouraged, but in rare occasions, it may be good to have them at the end of the page in a separate "External links" section.  Lynch 7  14:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * thank you Murughendra  talk  07:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

IIM Lucknow
Hi, I have been editing IIM Lucknow for the past 2 months. I am thinking of a GA nomination in the future. I kindly request you to review the article and provide some feedback on where to improve the article. Thanks. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 06:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't have too much of time for a detailed review :) . Some things I can gather from a glance: Expand lead section, merge the Notable alumni section into some section with prose. Go for a copyedit (WP:GOCE should solve that). Remove rankings section which contains prose: It is redundant due to the table. Make a small note of rankings in another section relating to academics. And make the level 4 headings uniform: In some places, the lvl 4 headings are used, while in other places, the semicolon ";" has been used as a section header. Structure seems to be quite good! (I hope you're following WP:UNIGUIDE; if not, start today!) Thanks,  Lynch 7  19:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am in the process of collecting some resources to expand the alumni and history sections. I used semi colons at certain places for the sections not to reflect in the Table of contents. I am just getting reviews from different editors to ensure NPOV. Thank you for the suggestions. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 19:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You can tweak the table of contents to display sections till a certain level only. Check RVCE where I did it that way.  Lynch 7  19:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
MikeLynch‎ changed revision visibility of "User talk:Shriram": hid content for 1 revision. Thank you. Shriram (talk) 19:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Requesting creation
Hey, I usually create an article in a single sitting and I try to make it start class. Have just been too busy lately but I keep coming across things that have no articles and requesting creation has too much of a backlog. But, will bear in mind. Thanks! Noopur28 (talk) 19:03, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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Indic scripts
Hey, now that the issue of scripts has been stabilized, what is the need for the Indian ones out of these templates which are used for adding the scripts? If deleted, won't they provide a barrier for anonymous users to add it?  X.One   SOS  15:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh well, people will and can just add stuff like (Hindi: ABCD). Many people who didn't know about the templates used to do that actually. The templates are largely obsolete, but there may be some occasions where they will be needed. For instance, we do have templates for Spanish, French, and even English; so let's retain them.  Lynch 7  16:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As you say, its barely used and the recent RFC makes it even more inconspicuous. I'm talking about the Indian language part of it. If at all needed, they can be done using the way you suggested, right?  X.One   SOS  06:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Those templates also serve various categorization purposes, and also, we shouldn't really be breaking convention. Those are (or were) much used templates, and deleting them will need consensus again (a very long process which we can just avoid). Besides, the consensus is for India related topics only; there is certainly a finite mathematical possibility that these templates can (and could) be used in other articles. If we delete it now, and then later, someone needs it for some purpose, or even if consensus changes, we'll need to go through an undeletion process and all that.  Lynch 7 (Public) 08:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the interruption, but I think the consensus is only for the lead section. The other sections can include indic texts wherever appropriate. Correct me if I am wrong. Anbu121  ( talk me ) 06:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do have a look at the reasons why the discussion was started; its due to concerns like undetected libel, vandalism, and such issues. It makes absolutely no sense just to remove them from the lead and freely use them in other sections, as those problems will exist wherever the scripts are there.  Lynch 7  13:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with MikeLynch. The discussion and decision were messy and are imperfect in several ways (eg: the Pakistan project should have been notified). However, the arguments are clear and common sense has to prevail. I've just applied a similar dose of common sense regarding a closure at WP:RSN - take a look at my message of 09:14 today here. - Sitush (talk) 13:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the spirit of the discussion is important and should be noted.  Lynch 7  13:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

@MikeLynch: Although the reasons for removal of indic scripts are valid, we have to use them in some places. Example... Indian National Pledge. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 13:22, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess that's true to some extent.  Lynch 7  13:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review
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Help
Mike,

Need some admin help with a new editor at Ekal Vidyalaya. I am already at 2RR. A case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT (doesnt want pakistani sources). I have opened a discussion in the talk page and warned the user but he is not listening.--Sodabottle (talk) 14:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the electricity people suddenly decided that a pole near my house needs replacing, and now I'm reduced to logging in from my cell phone where I had to wait nearly 40 minutes to put up a notice on my user page and type this message out. I don't see a light of hope for some more days; Sad life!
 * If he has broken 3RR, could you make a report at the 3RR noticeboard? Sorry I can't help out!  Lynch 7  17:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem Mike. Abhishek lent a hand there. If the user breaks 3RR i will report to the noticeboard.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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Student Assignments
There is an issue with some assignments from the United States Education Program/Courses/Writing As Communication Spring 2012. A student has written a draft, moved it to Main and has told me and some adminstrators in IRC/-en-help that they are supposed to have one working paragraph in Main by midnight Eastern time tonight, meaning within one hour. The draft has now been moved from Main back to User:Happyfriend77/The Transition of Identity Through the Wearing of Masks by an administrator to protect the content from possible deletion. Please contact this editor User talk:Happyfriend77 and give them some assistance, and also take a look at their contributions. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 04:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the note, I have interacted with the Campus Ambassador in this regard.  Lynch 7  05:49, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion for Arrietty
Hi,

I'm wondering why the move discussion for Arrietty was closed as no consensus. It looks to me that six people preferred The Secret World of Arrietty, while two preferred Arrietty. I also personally thought that the arguments for moving it were more based on policy than the arguements for leaving it at Arrietty (I think WP:COMMONNAME is the relevant policy, and WP:RETAIN has nothing to do with this situation). It seems to me that Smetanahue basically unilaterally moved the page, and then because the page happened to get move-protected while at the title he wanted, it has ended up at that title despite the majority preferring the other title. Calathan (talk) 04:24, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, as you know, the actual number of !votes has lesser weightage than the quality of the comments. I had a look at all the comments, as well as older discussions, and I do agree that there isn't clear consensus either way, and this (somewhat) middle ground should do. And a couple of the users who commented were quite new here, so we should probably give them some time to get used to policies here. (Not saying that their comments or !votes were discounted, just that I kept their relative inexperience in mind while coming to a decision). Thanks,  Lynch 7  05:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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Possible racism regarding Jason Roberts (footballer)
You removed my reference that Jason Roberts MBE is black and proclaimed it an "unsourced negative comment".

(1) Do I need a source that he is black? It is self-explanatory and can be seen in the photo of him or on any simple image search. (2) How is stating that he is black a negative thing? Please explain why you consider being black as, in your words "negative".
 * Erm, I don't think I was being "racist" in any way. My issue was the necessity of explicitly mentioning that Roberts was of African descent, or the politically incorrect term "black". As you mention, its obvious.  Lynch 7  11:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

'Black' is not politically incorrect. To say 'dark', 'coloured', etc. THAT would be politically incorrect. Black and white are standard use and not offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.143.227.137 (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't address my issue of the need to explicitly mention that.  Lynch 7  11:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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Concern over your ambassdor project
Hi Mike,

I've got some serious concerns regarding the content being produced by the students of United States Education Program/Courses/Writing As Communication Spring 2012. So far, I've looked at Autism Spectrum Disorders in the Media, User:Kkonop/Media and teen relationships (moved into the wrong space), Media and the Thin Ideal (also moved into the wrong space), Social Media and Television and a few others. All show serious problems in the creators' understanding of No original research, as they read like essays and contain numerous instances of source synthesis. Particularly concerning is the wording of the course page, which states that "Students will engage academic sources to synthesize new content on Wikipedia." That reads to me like an overt intention to use Wikipedia for publishing OR.

A few articles, such as The Male Gaze, are perfectly suitable topics, but overall I'm seeing a lot of contributors who really don't seem to know how Wikipedia works. I'd appreciate it if you could look in on your charges and perhaps discuss their creations with the course professor. As it is, I and other editors are going to have to tag most of their contributed articles for deletion before long. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 14:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, yeah, I'm aware of the issues, and to prevent this, we're working on making them move articles only during class hours, with possible supervision by the campus ambassador and myself. As I know of it, the next class is sometime on Wednesday and we'll be doing all we can to avoid these. Thank you for your work!  Lynch 7  15:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Odisha
Mike, Odisha is the govt authorised and Parliament approved name, the govt portal also gives the name Odisha not the old one Orissa. In my view this article not primarily being the article on Odisha/Orissa can have this new name. Secondly this is not the title of the article, it is just referring to the main article. There is no guidelines laid in wikipedia regarding when a name becomes a common name, if I am unaware of this I would request you to guide me in this regard. You must understand what a herculean task it would be to change all the names in all the pages when you think that Odisha is the common name!!! People of Orissa have never called Orissa as Orissa when Orissa was the official name, then also it used to be known as Odisha only(Thats the reason of name change). Hence it is already the common name, yes for People outside Odisha, specially English speaking ones it was and will be Orissa only. Even Hindi speaking people don't call it Orissa while speaking in Hindi. I would request you to undo the changes, if I am able to convince you.&#91;&#91;++@adikka (talk) 14:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Its not a question of convincing me. Our common name policy is being followed, that's all. While deciding the common name, we have a look at the usage of the word in all sources in English. Kindly refer to the discussions at Talk:Orissa for further information; you may also put in your comments there if you wish. Regards,  Lynch 7  14:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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