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Images Jalgaon
I dont have much experience with licensing of images but have a feeling that many images on Jalgaon page needs to be deleted. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 23:22, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Its certainly worth investigating. The flag was obviously raised due to the watermarking on the images; the image File:Jalgaon Railway Station.jpg looks to be legitimate (see the camera metadata), but the rest need some investigation. I'll put up the concerns on commons. Thanks,  Lynch 7  01:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * They all seemed weird with PATILDADA stamped at the corner. Hence though of pointing it to you. But the University's image File:Jalgaon University.jpg is more fishy. Its photoshopped i guess. The grand entrance door is put there. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 11:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Aaaa.... The official website also uses that same image. Weird!! -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 11:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

This user is adding many such watermarked pics. Plus the pics are no good too, especially with three-four huge marks on them. The Jalgaon pics are still there. Are they okay to have? Even if those are, i am not keeping these pics much longer on Mohammad Rafi, Shankarrao Chavan and other biographies. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 10:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Lovysinghal seems to be on the case :)  Lynch 7  16:52, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well he has solved the case! -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 17:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

BTW, i had some doubts related to copyrights issues of images. The help sections are least helpful with their legal formal language. And i lost track of which portal i had previously asked these question. Should i bother you with these question or you yourself have no much experience with images? Could you direct me to someone in that case? -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 18:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You can freely ask me, I'm not great at copyright matters, but know much of it. If I can't answer you, I'll redirect you to a proper person of course.  Lynch 7 (Public) 04:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay! We can not have non-free images for BLPs in the infobox. Right? But can we add images with rationale somewhere in the article? And if we already have any non-free image on wiki with a rationale for some other article, can we use that image? Example: Chitchor uses an image with rationale. File:Amol Palekar with Zarina Wahab, Master Raju, Vijayendra Ghatge, singing Aaj Se Pele, in Chitchor, 1976.jpg (I dont know why it is in the infobox. Infobox should have poster. This image, if at all needed, should be somewhere in the article. Also strictly speaking this image will be deleted as its rationale isnt good enough to say its importance.) But can we use this image in Vijayendra Ghatge's article somewhere as no image of his available? Also, is there any forum where i can notify some images which i feel have wrong licenses? I doubt File:Deepti Naval.png's license is right. It seems like a screenshot from her film, probably Chashme Buddoor -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The general guideline for Non-free file usage is that it should be used only when there is no other free file available anywhere, and the image should serve a good purpose, and there should be no real chance of a free image ever existing in the future as well (For example, an image of the Petronas Towers can not be used under fair use because there is all chance that someone will go and click an image of it and publish it under a free license). As you correctly point out, the file File:Amol Palekar with Zarina Wahab, Master Raju, Vijayendra Ghatge, singing Aaj Se Pele, in Chitchor, 1976.jpg is probably not valid for fair use usage, because the image is nothing special. The poster would be better (if available, or else this screenshot should have to do). Have a look at the image File:DDLJ trainscene.jpg. Now, this scene is iconic, and has a special importance in the movie, as well as in 90s cinema. So, the fair use in this case is probably valid. Note that I use the word "probably" everywhere because there are no clear rules for this; indeed, it would be nearly impossible to have clear rules because the importance of any image to a subject is relative. There have been places where non free files have been used in infoboxes for Biographies as well, but not BLPs. Of course, the "iconic image" thing applies here as well, so if an image (even of a BLP) is iconic (for example, an image of Sanjeev Kumar as "Thakur" in Sholay), then it probably falls under the Free use criteria.
 * Yes, you can use an already existing fair use file in another article, provided that you provide another fair use rationale for the image. It should again satisfy the fair use criteria I outlined above.
 * You can list the doubtful cases at WP:Possibly unfree files. Hope this was explanatory!  Lynch 7  16:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay! Chitchor's modern DVD covers and even the old poster are available. So will add one of those & remove this image. I understand why you used "probably". It will be very difficult to set rules for these all. Apart from the fact that we have to judge if the image is "really" notable, we also need to keep a check that rationale-provided-nonfree-images are not used extensively even if their rationale standing alone seems justified. As you mentioned the case with iconic image, i guess use of File:Sadhana in film, Ek Musafir Ek Hasina (1962).jpg in BLP article & it's infobox is valid even if there is a possibility of getting her free-image now, because this free-image wont depict her the way she was in the films of 60s.
 * I am asking this all because there are 200+ article (Tagged) in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people of India. I am sure many more require images. We will get a bigger figure after the Tag & Assess drive is over.
 * And thanks for the link! Will use it.
 * Another Q. Image File:Aruna asaf ali.jpg has a jumble of licenses things on it. It says the image is in Public Domain in India and USA and still says its copyrighted. Are we supposed to check this for all countries? -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 10:18, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, since the WMF's servers are located in Florida, you have to check for the license validity in the USA only. I'm not really sure why the Public Domain in India thing is mentioned; perhaps there's a reason, but one thing's for sure that you have to check for the license applying in the USA.  Lynch 7  15:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay! Thank you! Will experiment on these things and come back to you when needed. Sometimes unnecessary images, though free, are added to the articles. Removing them from the article is easy. But do we delete these images from Wikipedia itself? Or we keep them just in case we need them later on in future? Eg: File:Kahaani at Nagpur.jpg is completely unwanted on Kahaani. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 12:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, free use files are not kept unless they are used in an article. If you remove a free use image from an article, and the image isn't used in any other article (Note: If it is used in some other article, make sure the fair use rationale exists for that article as well), then you can safely CSD it. Even if you don't CSD it, a bot will do the work for you, so no need to worry too much about that.  Lynch 7  13:04, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, totally misread your question there; Free files are okay to have (provided they have proper source and licensing). You need not use them and you can just let them sit in Commons indefinitely.  Lynch 7 (Public) 18:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

User:Madone17
Hi, can you keep an eye over this user. He keeps creating imaginative films (pages) inspite of a history of warnings. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  10:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Already blocked for 1 month I see. I'll keep an eye.  Lynch 7  16:56, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  03:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Request Assesment
~I would request you to asses the article Sambalpur, substantial re-write has been done.&#91;&#91;++@adikka (talk) 20:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's good work you've done there! But, before I can raise it to B-class, some sections need to be changed. The section on "Culture" for example, has too much information; If there is something specially relevant to Sambalpur, then include it. Better not include stuff like "Festivals like Janmashtami are celebrated"; because its celebrated everywhere in the country, not just Sambalpur. If there is something unique about the culture in Sambalpur (and I'm sure there is), then include that. Also, we discourage external links; so you should remove links which point out of Wikipedia.
 * Also a note on the "Places of interest" section: Let's not make it sound like a travel guide or anything of that sort; condense all of that into one or two paragraphs and mark the section as "Tourism".
 * You might have to remove the "Eminent personalities" section. If they have contributed significantly to the town, then you could include it in the relevant section, but otherwise its better to remove it.  Lynch 7  21:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXII, March 2012
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reply regarding removal of Indic scripts
Yes, those were minor discrepancies in Kolkata and Mysore articles that I noted as those articles are in my watchlist. Removal of Indic scripts makes it a far more smooth reading experience, uncluttered. However, as you are discussing above, removal of Indic scripts from everywhere should not be encouraged. As an example, in the etymology section of Kolkata, Bengali scripts have been used (along with English and IPA). These are ok, IMO.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Articles needing Indic script or text
Taking into account the recent RfC, what do you think about Category:Articles needing Indic script or text? It's quite odd to have some editors removing the scripts and other adding them back since they are in this category. --Muhandes (talk) 18:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been removing the template from talk pages when I see it - not a outright campaign but just as a part of general housekeeping. - Sitush (talk) 19:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, the RfC was really only for lead sections, but I have been unilaterally removing scripts from infoboxes also since, like leads, they are a summary of the article and they are very prone to the sort of back-and-forth edits that gave rise to the RfC. The template, of course, does not specifically refer to the lead section and therefore I guess that neither does the category. - Sitush (talk) 19:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It might be prudent to add a note at the description of the category, notifying editors of the RfC outcome. --Muhandes (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of late, I feel I should have articulated myself better when I started the discussion. What I had in mind was the removal of scripts everywhere, not just the lead. Anyway, that template seems to be based on this proposed guideline which hasn't seen the light of day. I think its best to remove it on sight. Ah, if only I knew how to operate a bot.  Lynch 7  12:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As a start we don't need a bot, we can easily make it invisible and stop categorizing. I want to make sure this action is supported by consensus, which would be the best place to link to as the RfC? --Muhandes (talk) 09:43, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you not list it at WP:CFD? Or is deletion an excessive course of action? - Sitush (talk) 09:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking least resistance, but a decisive action may indeed work better. Blanking IndicL will have the same effect. --Muhandes (talk) 10:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess just blanking it will serve the purpose (or at least we can remove the Category from the template and make sure that it doesn't get categorized automatically). I don't mind going for a CFD, but I have a feeling that the discussion there might become long and winding.  Lynch 7  12:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I've blanked IndicL and this emptied Category:Articles needing Indic script or text. I added comments to both and mentioned the RfC. Looking at it now I'm not sure it is such a good idea to CFD since the sub categories do not seem to be tightly linked to WP:INDIA and I believe the RfC was for India subjects. --Muhandes (talk) 08:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine by me - be bold, etc. - Sitush (talk) 11:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

April first
Does this usually happen on April first?! Shriram (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. The person himself replied! Shriram (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Vinnaithaandi Varuvaayaa
You still interested in the article's GAN and PR? Secret of success  (talk) 11:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * With this crappy internet connection, I think not. Can you delist it? Thanks!  Lynch 7  19:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the article has only undergone a closed peer review. I expect the GAN to come in the near future once the issues are fixed. Secret of success 15:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
I just thought I would let you know that I nominated myself because there haven't been many nominations for a while.  Puffin  Let's talk! 13:14, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Puffin, thanks for the note, but I'm woefully busy for a week or so, and haven't had much time to give to the Abuse Response project of late; can you leave a note to Ebe123, JoeGazz or Netalarm? Maybe they can respond faster. If they're busy, ping me in a week or two and I'll look into it pronto. Sorry!  Lynch 7  09:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Ra.One nominated for Featured Article
This notice is to inform you that I have nominated the article Ra.One for a featured article promotion. The nomination can be viewed here. Any comments are welcome at the article's or my talk page. Thank you. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 13:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Mike, could you suggest a final solution to this? I am aware that WP:WQA was an option, but due to the fact that a two-month Wikibreak did not help him, I approached ANI. My report in the noticeboard was created with the hope that the issue will be looked into by admins (not anyone in particular), and not ignored and archived. Secret of success 16:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As I've stated there, I think its best that a trusted, neutral user monitor his interactions closely; Ankitbhatt is a fine content contributor, it'd be a bit sad to see him blocked.  Lynch 7  16:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Be it as that may, do you deny that his incivility has reached a significant deadline? If you don't, I see little reason to hold off a ban. It seems unlikely at the moment that acceptance will arrive from him, to understand and stop. The report wouldn't be half full if WP:DFFWF ceased to exist. Secret of success 05:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

59th National Film Awards
With reference to the current National Awards announced, I have created an article 59th National Film Awards. As you are an experienced editor on wiki and on India film project, I would appreciate if you can review the article and provide some comments as per your convenience, it would be helpful to improve the article. Thanks. - Vivvt <font color="#000000">Talk 03:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Are ya kidding me, the list is very good! I can see no serious problems; maybe you can go for a Peer review, so that you can get in-depth comments?  Lynch 7  11:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will plan for peer review soon then. Actually, ceremony is to be held on 3rd May, so I thought it would be good if we can improve the article upto a level where we can promote it for FL/In the News. But then I dont have much experience in that area so donno what to do. Thanks. - <span style="font:italic bold 12px/30px Georgia, serif"><font color="#808080">Vivvt <font color="#000000">Talk 13:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, the PR is backlogged I think, and an FL and all will take time, I don't think it can be done by 3rd May. Besides, if the ceremony is taking place on 3rd May, then it will have to be updated (the details of the ceremony) while it is on the main page (if it gets there), so I don't think that'll be possible, but a FL should be great.  Lynch 7  13:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats correct. Ceremony and jury information is missing. I will try to get the jury info but ceremony info will be available only on/after 3rd May. So lets target for FL. Thanks. - <span style="font:italic bold 12px/30px Georgia, serif"><font color="#808080">Vivvt <font color="#000000">Talk 13:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Comment kindly requested
Can you please comment on the subject of placements sections in this article and in general? I may be over-reacting to the amount of junk usually found on these sections, and I think you may be more neutral than myself. --Muhandes (talk) 08:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Sambalpur
Done a bit of changes to the article as suggested by you, I would request you to re-rate the article and give suggestions to make it a cl A article. Thank U &#91;&#91;++@adikka (talk) 03:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I have elevated it to B class. To get to A class, you have to get it to a Good Article status first. The article still needs a lot of work to get to GA or A class. You might want to ask for a formal Peer review (it takes a few months for that to happen though), and then nominate it for a Good Article. Keep the good work going!  Lynch 7  06:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)