User talk:Mike Halterman/archive13

He's back
I don't know if you noticed, but our "NBC Universal Television" buddy is back to moving pages with no cleanup. ABC TV is now at ABC (broadcasting), breaking at least 50 links (I don't really have a strong opinion on whether that is significantly better than American Broadcasting Company, or vice versa), but he also moved American Movie Classics to American Movie Channel--I've moved it back, based on not only 100 to 1 hits for 'classics' over 'channel', but also from what I can find, 'classics' is still the 'real' name, as well. Sigh. Oh, and I hope your carpal tunnel's doing better, and that the holiday season is being good to you. Niteowlneils 03:52, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. He never responded to my NBC note, so don't hold your breath. ;) PS Glad your hands are better. Niteowlneils 03:48, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Birmingham, Alabama
Reasons for removing the pronunciation and colloquialism:
 * The distinction with Birmingham, UK is not etymological, so the pronunciation difference is immaterial.
 * Pronunciation guides are less important in an encyclopedia article than a dictionary.
 * The local pronunciation is a matter of culture, not fact. Los Angeles is properly pronounced "loss ANjiliss" by most English-speaking Americans, and properly pronounced "loce AHNhaylayce" by most Spanish speakers.
 * In any case, these are certainly not the first ideas to be presented in the article. (See Birmingham, UK or New Orleans, Louisiana for examples of including local pronunciation in the body of the article.)

I suggest we collaborate on improving the Culture section to reflect actual local culture instead of just bragging about all our art galleries. If you feel it's important, why not add "B'ham" to the City Nickname box in the table? Dystopos

ATWT
Thanks for the comments re: ATWT.

To answer your question, yes I do remember Vens from the Mediadomain boards, and have often wondered what became of him. I had a great deal of respect for his appraisals of the show back then, though he was perhaps a bit more enthusiastic about Lorraine Broderick's work than I was.

As for the issue of bias, soap fans certainly do have their agendas (myself included), but the overtness of opinion that had been inserted into the ATWT entry is what prompted me to begin making some edits there. As someone who has watched the show since 1982, I felt it was important to correct a couple of instances where blame was demonstrably misplaced (such as pinning the mass-exodus of so many cast members circa 1995 on Backus and Packer) -- as well as to expand upon the instances where credit for successes was due.

Thanks too for the technical tips. I'll undoubtedly learn more as I go. I really hadn't expected to add so much to the entry, or become a registered user -- but now that I've gone and done it, I fear this will begin to suck up huge chunks of my free time (something I don't exactly have lots of -- I'm a grad student). If nothing else, I'd like to add a bit more about Irna Phillips to the ATWT entry when I have more energy, and I could probably do some work on the radio soaps somewhere.

--Sterntreiber 08:24, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
 * And I realize now that it wasn't you asking me about Vens. Ah, well.--Sterntreiber 09:37, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Rienzo
Since you have been involved with Rienzo before, you probably ought to see

Requests for arbitration

CheeseDreams 01:54, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

AMC
Thanks for the tip! I'll let her know. Things going better for you...? - Lucky 6.9 17:02, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I can dig it. Hang tough! BTW, nice picture of your nostrils. :^P - Lucky 6.9 17:04, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Gorgeous. Just freaking gorgeous. Two limpid pools of fire. How could I fail to notice? Oh, tear out mine eyes, for they do not see! Today's histrionics brought to you by Lucky 6.9 17:07, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, poo. So close, yet so far. Watched a bit of the ol' soap the other day. The writers are turning Erica into a real whack job. Weird...! Talk to ya later. Gotta split. Fridays are a bitch here at work!! - Lucky 6.9 17:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'll talk to my resident Erica expert. If anything's missing, I'll make sure to tweak it. - Lucky 6.9 17:11, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

re: facebook
Yes, I am. Added an entry to the facebook Wikipedians list. TrbleClef 00:28, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Judith
Wow, news to me! I didn't ask her if she was doing any more soaps. She introduced me to a friend of hers from "Days Of Our Lives" a couple of years back and I she thought she had a shot at getting back on that soap. Terrific news about Y&R!! I'll call her this week and get the skinny on what's happening. I have her home number at home. - Lucky 6.9 18:43, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Help!
I seem to be having a bit of a problem with an abusive user, namely User:Fvw. This individual has taken it upon himself to be the ombudsman of what is and is not a speedy delete candidate. He's reverted my edits and left some snide remarks on my user page and the edit summaries. I've listed him on RfC as well. - Lucky 6.9 23:41, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, thank goodness. I already have. Take a look at my user page and the comment he left on that Nick Holmes to see what I mean. Plus, look at the two obvious speedy candidates on VfD. - Lucky 6.9 23:48, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Will do. In fact, he just reverted another edit.  Nick Holmes again.  It started out as a totally useless nanostub.  Only thing that the main article didn't have was the guy's birthday. - Lucky 6.9 23:52, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. That's one I owe you, pal. - Lucky 6.9 00:06, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please tag an image of yours
Your uploaded image Image:Thecustomoflifegraduation.jpg currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Wikipedia needs its images tagged to be able to use them in the future. You may want to release it under the GFDL with, into the public domain with  , or claim fair use with. See this for more. 119 00:28, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Back for more...
Greetings, he of the Great And Terrible Nostrils. I'm back for more fun, frolic and general abuse courtesy of Wikipedia. Gonna stay quiet, though. Give a yell when you can. - Lucky 6.9 01:59, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Homophobic Vandalism
I have reason to believe that the following are all sockpuppets of each other

User:148.136.141.172, User:Rienzo, User:Baffinisland, User:Lady Tara, User:Nasse

I believe that you met one of them back in June

if you wish to add evidence to the new arbitration against any of them, you can do so at Requests for arbitration/Rienzo/Evidence

CheeseDreams 01:52, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Tampa meetup
Mike - I thought you might be interested in meetup. We're tentatively going to have a wikipedia meetup in Tampa this weekend. The location and time are currently undecided (I need to discuss it with Jimbo and will update it very, very soon). I'm also going to see about getting a tour of the colocation center (where Wikipedia is physically located). If you are interested, please add yourself to that page. →Raul654 02:56, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, if you know any other Wikipeidans in the area who would be interested in attending, feel free to let them know. →Raul654 15:31, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)

Days of Our Lives
Should this be at Days of our Lives? The photo at the top of the page shows a lowercase "o". RickK 00:42, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)

Got Milk?
It would go great with these cookies. They might only be virtual wiki-cookies, but they were the best I could do on short notice. :-) You deserve them.  Enjoy.  SWAdair | Talk  11:43, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Everyking/Proposed decision
Hey, you endorsed the RfC on Everyking, and you probably know it's gone to arbitration. Some of us feel that the proposed decision against Everyking is insufficient and too weak for a user who has abused Wikipedia so badly. I hope you can weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Everyking/Proposed decision having read the proposed decision and discussion and share your opinion with us, whether it's that the decision is too strong, just right, or too weak. Just because you weren't involved as deeply as some of us shouldn't prevent you from sharing your opinion. Johnleemk | Talk 06:17, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

AMC
Let me look at it and think about it for a while. RIP, Ruth. :( RickK 22:47, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

Dr. Phil
Why did you change Dr. Phil from a redirect to a disambig? I dont know of any disambigs that only have one item in the list, that is technically not even a disabig. --AlexTheMartian 05:48, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, I did not think of that. So you had the right idea, sorry. --AlexTheMartian 07:45, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Dawson's Creek
Hi. Hope all is well. I've started working on trying to address some of the objections raised the last time Dawson's Creek was nominated as an FAC (so far I've added a couple pics--yet to do is move most of the cast and crew to a separate article; I'm thinking of Extended cast and crew of Dawson's Creek--do you have any better suggestions, or happen to know of comparable article title precendents I should follow), as well as a couple potential objections (I beefed up the intro and added an awards section--I was surprised they were all redlinks. Are we really missing articles on all those awards, or am I just using incorrect names?). I think it would make a good FA, given its breadth and depth. Also, not being particularly interested in the show, I haven't read the synopsis, but of what I have read of it, the writing quality seems quite up to snuff. Anyway, since you're more of a TV guy than me, expecially when it comes to TV-related FAs, I was wondering if you could take a look at it, when you get a chance, and let me know if you see any remaining inadequacies or potential objections. (Oh, and I plan to ask the main contributor User:PedanticallySpeaking to kill/fill the Dawson Leery redlink--seems like there should be something for the lead/titular character.) Niteowlneils 22:32, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

TV schedules
Hi. Did I just imagine it, or did you do a whole schedule for various TV seasons - showing when (time and day of the week) various shows were broadcast? If so, I'm having a devil of a time trying to find them. Can you link me? Also, I hope you'll consider linking them to the "Years in Television" pages. You did a tremendous amount of work to create those schedules, I'd imagine, and they should be easier to access. Thanks. Moncrief 06:38, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply on my talk page. I hope you'll add links to at least the existing ones to the appropriate "Year in Television" pages, and maybe do some redirects too.  They should be easier to find and more widely used, since they're such great pages that you've created.  Moncrief 23:42, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Recent DVD caps
Hello. I've noticed your newly uploaded captures of your TV screen. It would be far more useful if you could capture those images in your computer using a DVD player. But in case you do not have a DVD player, it would still be better if you didn't use a flash when shooting your TV screen. Thanks. —Cantus… ☎   10:33, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

Mark Consuelos
How can I write that a lot of people think he's a wife abuser and make it sound NPOV? RickK 21:55, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Kelly Ripa always tells "funny" stories about how he is always telling her she needs to lose weight, or she's lazy (what with only working three jobs and doing all the commercials), and all of the demands he makes on her time and money. RickK 22:04, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

VfD network schedule
Hi there, you're right, a network schedule isn't copyvio after all. I was in doubt for a minute because it's in a commercial publication and I'm sure they'd copyright it if they could. Radiant! 08:48, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Brookie Here
Hi and thanks for the message - being on the wrong side of the pond we don't these US shows - and so some of these actors are completely unknown in the UK. My gripe with that entry was the lack of information to make it notable - especially not knowing anything about the chap. The Brookie tag is in homage to the UK's greatest ever soldier Field Marshal Lord Alanbrooke (you chaps call them 5* generals) - my hero! Kind regards Brookie 10:28, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Brent Collins
It looked to me like you described his health and death from Marfan syndrome, bu the link to the IMD database had no more info. I am curious about his health because the account makes no sense medically. No one grows suddenly in their 40s. The cartilaginous parts of growing bones that we call epiphyses are long closed by several years of sex hormones (what we call puberty). I can not even imagine a condition that could suddenly make some one start getting a lot taller in later or middle adult life. The business about Marfan syndrome is possible: it is a congenital disorder of connective tissue-- you can't suddelnly get it as an adult. Marfan s. can lead to weakness of the wall of the aorta and sudden death. It usually makes people grow a bit more in childhood and end up tall but if it occurs in someone who has some form of dwarfism, the extra childhood growth might not occur and it would never be suspected he had the condition. I have not heard of that combination but I can certainly imagine it. Do you know for certain Brent Collins had dwarfism? Do you know what kind? Was it obvious he was getting taller in the last year, or did someone make that up because they heard he died of Marfan s, and that people with Marfan s are tall? The account of his health and death just sounds impossible and ignorant as it stands, but if you can give me a source, I will try and figure it out and make it medically accurate. Thanks. alteripse 16:55, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Daytime Emmy winners
Hi,

Well, Im not exactly sure how to create a new category ( although Im sure it must be pretty simple) so why don't we create a new category for Daytime Emmy winners ?

Daytime Emmy winners
Hi,

Well, Im not exactly sure how to create a new category ( although Im sure it must be pretty simple) so why don't we create a new category for Daytime Emmy winners ?

Removal of personal attacks
Thanks for your comment. I do appreciate that what I removed is evidence, but it's still in the history of the page. The reason I remove personal attacks is because they sour a discussion and derail it. Instead of discussing the subject, people were discussing whether or not this person or that was a poopyhead. That doesn't get encyclopedias written. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:00, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

South Florida
About the sortkey on U of South Florida: Instead of getting sorted under 'U' with all the other "University of...", my rationale was to put it with U. of Florida instead of in 'S'. See all the other U. of on :Category:Schools of Medicine in the United States. --Christopherlin 23:00, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Got your message
Welcome back! It's lonely on this crazy site without you. I got your message and I agree with your proposal. I'm a bit too sleepy to read it in depth...I'm up late playing with my new computer...but I'll support it in any way I can. BTW, a bizarre, fannish and rambling text dump came in for Opal Gardner earlier tonight. It was almost too much info to the point of near-incomprehensability and so I made it into a redirect to the AMC article. I was going to alert you to it anyway to see if anything in it was salvageable. 'Night! - Lucky 6.9 08:36, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Paulinajake.jpg listed for deletion
An image that you uploaded, Image:Paulinajake.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion because it lacks source and license information, and it is not used in any articles. Please go there to voice your opinion (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

B-movie bandit
I appreciate the notice. I've heard of him, but the thought this was him never crossed my mind. Mgm|(talk) 09:04, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Ditto. Boisemedia 06:56, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

ack IRC
Hi, I noticed you were looking for me last night on IRC, but you had left when I replied. How can I be of service? -- Viajero 00:23, 4 Jan 2003 (UTC)

More Bandit
It never occured to me to check the edit history for a B-Movie Bandit edit on the Judith Chapman article, especially since the new edits are all positive. Probably an honest mistake at this point. I tried catching her at the restaurant the other night, but she's spending huge amounts of time in LA doing that soap. I talked to her partner James about the article and he was rather enthusiastic about it. I'll e-mail her and James and try to get some more info. Thanks for the heads-up! - Lucky 6.9 18:10, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Republics
Need your help and/or advice. The British Wikipedian Republican Party sought fit to delete Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic from Wikipedia. There is a terrible brouhaha at Talk:Republic. They won't even allow an external link! SimonP really doesn't know what he is doing. They deleted the Classical definition of republic and created mixed government and politeia instead. The official title of mixed government is a Republic and the Romans translated "politiea" as Republic. And then to top it off the new article Classical republicanism doesn't refer to the Classical republics of Crete, Sparta, Solonic Athens, or Rome but to Machiavelli's ideology. How can that be when Venice in the 13th century instituted a mixed government and called herself a "Republic".

With Jwrosenwieg and Kim Bruning there was a tacit agreement a year ago to have republic be the modern meaning and a [Classical definition of republic] to describe the ancient republics of Hellas and Rome and their influence. To say the least the "Republic section" is all messed up. We need some clarification. I have new information but User:Snowspinner won't let me bring this back up for undelete. (I do grant that a little bit of the Classical definition is original but the rest is not.) I will not let Sparta be called anything but a republic! I will not let the British wikipedian modern republicans strip Sparta, (my heritage and roots) of her rightful name. She is a Classical republic and needs to be called such! At the least, where is the damage in having an external link?WHEELER 15:22, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Apropos soap title grabs...
...you can find many good logos at World of Soap Themes: http://www.wost.org. For example, here's a better version of the 1983 Guiding Light logo:

http://www.wost.org/GLLOGO1984.jpg

As for early Search for Tomorrow:

http://www.wost.org/SFTLOGO1962.jpg

Hope it's of use to you...

-- Ungvichian 19/3/05 12:16 gmt+7

Greta Van Susteren
You wrote '''In 2002, .... Van Susteren treated herself to a facelift, ... she was paraphrased as saying that she couldn't wait to show everyone her new look at her twentieth high school reunion. '''

How could this be? She was born in 1955, so she probably graduated high school in 1973, meaning that her twentieth high school reunion was in 1993. Did she really say thirtieth?? (Rogerd 17:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC))


 * Yes, it was her thirtieth. A simple mistake that could have been changed by a simple edit. Mike H 18:18, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright
Thank you for uploading Image:Thecustomoflifegraduation.jpg and for stating the source. However, its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. If it is open content or public domain, please give proof of this on the image page. If the image is fair use, please provide a rationale. Thank you. BrokenSegue 19:50, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Got back from an email w/ WoST Moderator
And here's what he has to say about you:

"I have never really had a problem with him. He used to post at WoST as MikePBJ.  If he had asked me directly, and stated it was for Wikepedia, I would have released a still of the logo to him for that purpose.  He should have asked me... and I have no clue why he hasn't.

It is true that it bugs me when people take stuff without asking -- but if it is for a good reason, I have done it in the past. (...) I'll do it for educational or historical purposes, just not for personal use. :) You can tell 'The Custom of Life' that if he poses the question and it is for Wikepedia, I will provide him with stills upon his request.  He just needs to ask me directly!"

The email: goldendogs(@)mchsi.com (remove the parentheses).

-- Ungvichian - 21/3/05 7:30 gmt+7

IB = Advanced placement?
It certainly wasn't clear from the description I read at the IB website. I apologize if I got it wrong.

Just to be clear, you're saying that universities accept courses taken for the IB as equivalent to their own required freshman courses and allow IB graduates to skip these courses? Dpbsmith (talk) 21:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * Read the International Baccalaureate article :-) ! "[IB programs'] rigorousness and high standards have ensured its wide recognition throughout the world." &mdash; "Particularly in the USA, some IB courses are recognized as equivalent to college level courses, and colleges may award entering students with credit for high IB exam scores. In this regard it is similar to the Advanced Placement Program, or superior to it, depending on the institute of higher learning in question." BLANKFAZE | (&#1095;&#1090;&#1086;??) 21:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gay Icon Project
In response to:


 * I've been willing to let some people's labeling of gay icons go, but how are Kelly Ripa and Sally Jessy gay icons? Mike H 08:40, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

No clue. It might have been vandalism of the original list that I merged from. This, User:Philwelch, and the talk pages of every page that I categorized all explain what I was doing last night. If you feel knowledgeable enough to say for certain that they are not gay icons, feel free to decategorize them.

However, just to give you an idea of why I think lists like that should be merged into categories: the claim that Kelly Ripa, Sally Jessy Raphael, Margaret Thatcher(!), Condoleeza Rice(!), and others were gay icons was already present in Wikipedia. But that information, incorrect as it may have been, was invisible to editors. By categorizing, we make the claimed information more visible by having it in two places (the category listing and the article) instead of just one. You may have never wandered over to Gay icon, noticed suspicious information, and challenged it. But now that I've categorized, you did have a chance to notice and challenge suspicious claims. Wikipedia is helped by this sort of thing.

I'm looking into expanding the project to search and merge all lists into relevant categories if it can be done, but that would require community consensus, scripting, and help. However, this categorization effort for gay icons seems like a decent test case for applying this general principle across the board. Philwelch 22:47, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I've wrotten a proposal for this at Merge lists to categories. If you're for or against it check it out and leave your thoughts at Wikipedia talk:Merge lists to categories.

Dickson
Thanks for the assist; I mistakenly put in what was in the original, badly formatted version. Anyway, hope everything's going well. It looks like you'll soon surpass my number of edits, despite my 8 (?) month head start, so congratulations and a warm thanks. Best, Meelar (talk) 06:30, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Utminaret.JPG
What the heck is that, anyway? At first glance, it looks more like the Bok Tower than the University of Tampa minarets. Or has UT just really gone to the dogs since I left Tampa? :-) --Ray Radlein 11:16, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I finally remembered what it really was: the old Tower Drive-In on Florida Ave! And that Jackson-Hewitt is probably in Floriland Mall, or some such. Cripes. I used to drive past that, more or less, all the time going between Town'n'Country and the USF area. At any rate, I think you might want to take another look at it (on the other hand, thanks for reminding me of the Tower Drive-in; I had pretty obviously almost forgotten it entirely). --Ray Radlein 11:30, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Violet Carson
Hey! I've noticed that you added the category 'Classical pianists' to the article about Violet Carson. However, no piano is even mentioned in the article. A classical pianist is IMO someone that performs/records classical piano music (that is, Chopin, Beethoven etc.). Does she fit into this group? Or was she just an actress whose roles sometimes consisted of playing the piano? That would probably make her a pianist, but not a classical pianists. Either way, a paragraph or at least some sentences should be written about it in the article, otherwise it's pointless to put her in the Pianists category at all. Reply on my discussion page if possible, --Missmarple 11:44, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I noticed that piano playing is mentioned on the page (mea culpa), but IMO it's still not enough for this kind of categorization. Also, sorry for my mediocre English, it is not my mothertongue. --Missmarple 11:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Three revert rule
You have been blocked for 12 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list.Geni 06:52, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * You won't need to contact anyone; I unblocked you. Utterly invalid and damaging block. We should not discourage users working for NPOV and encourage those working for POV. --Neutralitytalk 07:30, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)


 * Just as an aside, is there a three-revert rule for blocks and unblocks? :-) --Ray Radlein 07:50, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

DYK update
A friendly reminder: Could you please use as many as possible from the oldest items next time you update. They were suggested in time and are only becoming stale because they aren't used. I don't think it's really fair for the nominator or the article author. Mgm|(talk) 09:29, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * Would you rather I just not edit the template again? I know it's unofficially "your thing."


 * No! By all means, keep updating the template. I can't do it all the time, so I can use all the help you can get. In fact, I'm glad to see you've done it entirely according to the rules (archiving it and all) I just don't like it when people let suggested items go stale. :) Mgm|(talk) 09:37, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. What are you up to Wikipedia-wise, at the moment? Mgm|(talk) 09:39, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Sazae-san Spanish entry
Done: Sazae-san. Julián Ortega 00:36, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks Mike for supporting my bid for adminship; it's already come in handy. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Antandrus 00:34, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ATWT HW
Are we going by episodes currently airing when it comes to head writer, hence the revert?

Nevermind :-D Juppiter 01:27, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's hot
I'm still not sure whether it's a good idea to give phrases their own articles instead of merging it into the article on person who used them, but at least this is encyclopedically written. Well done! Mgm|(talk) 12:10, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Homer Bedloe
Thanks for the note. I had seen it both ways, but wasn't sure which way was correct. Now, if we can just figure out where Pixley and Crabwell Corners were.... Yours in Richmond, Mark. Vaoverland 13:19, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Schiavo archives
Okay, now that we've got the fact that you're no longer deleting my comments out of the way... :-)

I don't see the point of what you're doing with the archive summary. It just doesn't make any sense. Why would you remove the links from the summary? If you were removing the summaries I would understand but as it is now, we've got a floating set of links and a non-wikied summary. I'm going to change it (not revert it) and let's see what we can agree on. Your float just doesn't seem right. (wait a few minutes for me to make my changes)

→Vik Reykja 09:55, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * HA HA HA, MindSpillage just "edited" everything which resulted in reverting what we've done! Apparently, I'm not the only one to think beauty is in simplicity.
 * Oh well, I won't complain as long as my real edits are conserved (as they are now)
 * →Vik Reykja 10:18, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

NCDave
Thanks for the heads up on the RFC and my apologies for getting snippy in the past. --AStanhope 13:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Florida counties numbered map.
Image:Map of Florida counties numbered.png created and added to List of counties in Florida. Sorry if it's a bit small! (I didn't find a borders only map, I just cut and pasted bits from two of the county locators.)--Keith Edkins 14:44, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You Back?
Missed that. How's the condition (I forget its name) that stopped you from typing.

Nice to have yer back anyway. Now get back to work.

--Crestville 22:24, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RFC
Wouldn't it be better to remove personal attacks on sight ("let's string the...")? I believe that's acceptable, according to policy. --Viriditas | Talk 10:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Three's Company
Nice work on the characters, Mike. We all miss John Ritter, huh? Vaoverland 07:26, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Check you out!
Congrats to our graduate! You look stunning in red. :) Seriously, it was wonderful seeing your vote over on that discussion about Sprite.  Hope I didn't date myself too much with that comment about Lilt...!  Missed ya, man.  Don't be a stranger. - Lucky 6.9 07:45, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Katie
Salve, Mike! You were kind enough to support my Julia Stiles article when I nominated it for featured status. Another article on an actress, my Katie Holmes, is now also a FAC here and I wonder if you would offer your comments. PedanticallySpeaking 15:26, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for your support, Mike; I take pleasure in joining you in the cabal. (Alas, I never made it out to Tampa to audition to exchange the secret handshake.) I shall attempt to put the shiny new buttons to good use! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Florida Panhandle
Revised map uploaded and added to the article. I worked to the list which actually includes 16 counties (not 15).--Keith Edkins 21:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Family ties
I thought somebody removed the picture by mistake. Did not see your comments in the discussion page before moving. --DuKot 20:11, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

TV dates
Hi Mike. Please see the comment I left on Talk:All in the Family. Thanks. Moncrief 01:25, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

DYK
congrats on Crissy Snow making it to the main page!. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 22:58, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Erica Kane "Having it All"book
Hi, I notice you took out the Erica Kane book image from her page because you weren't sure if it was published or not.

It is in fact a real book (although a very poorly written one) in which Erica talks about how she has it all and gives advise on how you can have it all too. It was published by ABC Daytime in 1997 ( I assume as part of the Shop the Soaps thing)

For more info

amazon

or

london public library search which I think incorrectly assumes it was written by Susan Lucci herself.

User:Dowew April 21, 2005

DYK
I edited your Simon and Simon nomination for DYK to correct the spelling of television. I have found the ieSpell program (free) to be excellent working in open windows like WP. (I have a disability which causes me to transpose letters when typing). Anyway, I thought you would want to know. Yours in Richmond, Mark Vaoverland 01:45, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Articles concerning GLBT and Gay Icon categories
I'm writing to you about two articles concerning these categories one- Elagabalus does not have the categories and I think it might need one or both of them. The second, Eleanor Roosevelt, has both of them and I think there probably needs to be some discussion at some point on the matter. Since you created the Gay Icons category, I am seeking your advice on the matters. Elagabalus is a more remote figure you may want to read his article, which I'm hoping to nominate as a FAC soon, in relation to Gay Icons-- he may have met the criteria for one in the past, I really don't know about now. The Eleanor Roosevelt article is a mess right now so I'd prefer to discuss her at a latter date, maybe a few weeks, just wanted to let you know I was thinking about it. Cheers! -JCarriker 10:15, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Elagabalus is really more or less my priority now in my I think he should definitely qualify even the most conservative historian's opinon of LGBT. Gay Icon is a where I really draw a blank and require your experitse. I'd really rather wait on Eleanor Roosevelt the issues is somewhat controverisal and complecated and the article is a mess. You are, ofcourse, welcome to begin a discussion at Eleanor Roosevelt on the issue, but I have finals this week and won't be able to dedicate the time required to discussing the matter. I hope you enjoy Elagabalus-- it's largely my work, as it stands now. Cheers! -JCarriker 17:18, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Your bio
Just a comment, and not meant to criticize: Your bio should probably say "niveau moyen de français". The word "intermédiaire" is used less often in French.


 * Thanks, and no offense taken, but I was using a template created by someone else. You might want to see the discussion for Template:User fr-2 Mike H 19:16, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello, Mike. Thanks for your vote at my adminship nomination. I appreciate the support. Cheers! &mdash; Trilobite (Talk) 14:05, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Here's where I got those screencaps... http://members.fortunecity.com/drjtv/ If you're going to use screencaps, get a decent capture card instead of doing it so cheesy. And yes, I do have permission to use them. The caps are also available at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/theopeningcreditssquad.

Two things you may (or may not) want to know
I thought you might want to weigh in on, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. regions, we're discussing changing the standard article titles, which if passes will mean U.S. Southern states will be moved, and some other material. We'd love to hear your opinion, and you are ofcourse welcome to also join the project and vote on the issue as well. Also Elagabalus is on WP:FAC right now if you're interested. Thanks. -JCarriker 21:16, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

PoF articles
Hi. I've tagged the image, it's a promotional shot, thus fair use. About the articles, indeed I created those when I was a newbie. Probably wouldn't have done that now (would have made character reviews within the main PoF article). I only created all that stuff because at the time this tv show, which is an acknowledged pop hit from the 90's was completely absent from the project. I wanted to get it in (with the typical overenthusiasm of a newbie). I'm not such a fan of the show, so it's fairly safe to say that I won't be expanding those articles on the characters. I don't know if it's worth the trouble of consolidating them all in the main article though, but I would not oppose any efforts in that direction. Regards, Redux 00:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Daytime Emmy winners
I have been updating a lot of biographical articles to include Category:Daytime Emmy Award winners however I wanted you oppinion as to weather people like Rachel Ames, Ruth Warrick, Anna Lee or Merv Griffin who have won a Lifetime Achievement Award should be included in this category ?

thanks

User:Dowew May 2nd 2005.

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Elsie Tanner, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Coronation Street
Just thought you might be interested in these links:


 * Martin sacked from the Street
 * Vicky Entwistle in party bust-up with Sir Ian McKellen
 * Brian Capron attacked for being Richard Hillman

Kind regards, jguk 07:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

List of All My Children characters
Have you seen this article? I think I'll hold off on working on it till the original poster ends for a while.

I can't believe OLTL killed off Jen! RickK 23:38, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

I'll probably work on it later tonight. Just because Jessica Morris can't act doesn't mean they should get rid of her character, they could have recast. Jen was a major part of the show, and they get rid of her just to make Daniel even more evil?

I just found out that girl who plays Lily on AMC is 14! She's very good. RickK 23:58, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Family Guy Wiki
Hi. I noticed that you have made several edits on the article "Family Guy". You may be interested to know that I have created a new Wiki that is exclusively about Family Guy. Knowing you are an experienced Wikipedian and Family Guy fan, I sure would appreciate your help contributing to the Family Guy Wiki. We started on May 9, so we are in the starting stages. To check it out, click here.

Thank you,

--The Milkman 18:02, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Stephanie Beacham, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Paula Ackerman, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Okay
All right, the Daytime Emmys news is back in. But please don't link to Yahoo News, because those URLs die relatively quickly. Mr. Billion 20:25, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Victoria Lord
Nice. RickK 21:23, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Paula Ackerman
I don't know why you had to leave such an impolite edit summary. The links went to the same place, and I didn't know as many as five letters could follow end brackets. Seriously, though, I don't know why you had to make such a fuss and be rude about it to boot. Mike H 22:12, May 22, 2005 (UTC)


 * The summary just said "Don't make links so complicated" -- hardly a "fuss"; I thought I was simply tersely summarizing the minor edit. Overly complicated links can lead people to think that they need to be that complicated, so it's a good idea not to do it that way.  I'm sorry that I didn't take precautions against such a misunderstanding. Michael Hardy 22:20, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Did you know?
 Did you know has been updated and a fact from the article Temple Beth-El (Pensacola, Florida), which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

Nice.
Thanks for letting me know how arrogant I am. First I'd heard you had a problem with me. At least that's out in the open now I suppose. I gotta say though, I find it disappointing that you decided to announce your low opinion of me on the RFA page. Incidently, if I'm so arrogant, care to explain this edit? - Ta bu shi da yu 05:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

U.S. regions
Thanks, Mike. If your interested I'd really liek to have you as a participant. -JCarriker 10:09, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
Thanks Mike, for your supporting vote!--Wiglaf 19:23, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Lisa Donahue
I did check the history. Please don't assume you know my browsing habits. The reason the VfD never saw the end of it's cycle was that it was never listed on the actual VfD page itself, therefore the only people voting on the article where those who came across it either via a link or the random page button. I am not nominating the article for deletion. I am correctly listing it where it should have been listed in the first instance. HTH. Nothing is evident if the vote is never completed. -- Longhair | Talk 22:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Hello Mike. You'll see now if you refer to the VfD discussion of Lisa Donahue that the discussion is now closed. This is what I was attempting to explain earlier when I re-listed the article for deletion. I never actually nominated it myself. My only point was that the VfD process never ran it's true course. It now has, and I'm happy for the article to be kept now consensus is clear. I hope this clears up your misunderstanding of how VfD operates, and if there's anything further I can add that will clear this up, I'm happy to do so. -- Longhair | Talk 02:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Years in television
Hi, Mike!

This is a message to all users who were at one point of time or another actively involved in editing the "Years in television" articles.

I have developed a new format, that I am currently proposing to apply to all "xxxx in television" articles. If you could take a look at 1976 in television/Temp and leave your comments/objections/propositions at Talk:1976 in television/Temp, that would be much appreciated.

Please note that the Temp version is by no means final. It is there to give an idea of the new proposed structure. Please do not be critical of the actual layout; it will most definitely not stay the unchanged.

Any ideas you might have will be quite welcome. Thank you for your time.&mdash;Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 21:09, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Pensacola High School
Hey Mike,

I've run into you before (seems like we both edit a lot in Florida related articles. Anyway, I was working on Bartow High School and was looking for good examples of high school articles when I ran into Pensacola High School, which you pretty much did yourself. IMHO, yours was the best high school article I saw(and i saw a bunch.) Mind if I "steal" your "template" and format for mine ? Jcam 23:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanx Mike Jcam 23:58, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Boldness
Hi there! I'm sorry if I offended you by being pushy and combative; please be assured that it wasn't intended as such. Since I don't recall having a discussion with you earlier, could you please show me what you mean so that I can change this behavior in the future? Thanks, Radiant_* 09:40, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your support. I'll also stay away from controversial deletions and blocks for the forseeable future. Yours, Radiant_* 08:40, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism on your talk page
Hello Mike :)

Somebody vandalized your talk page a few minutes ago, and I reverted it. Hope you don't mind...I'm just letting you know. They don't seem to have any other edits (yet) besides that one, so I don't have the faintest idea why they would do that.

Yours truly,

Frazzydee|✍ 03:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, actually, you could probably figure out who it is by looking at what they said in their edit. Not that it matters all that much ;) -Frazzydee|✍ 03:38, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Articles concerning GLBT and Gay Icon categories, again
I know I asked you to wait on the Eleanor Roosevelt artcile, but the genie is now out of the bottle&mdash; the status quo's over. I'd like you to join the discussion at Talk:Eleanor Roosevelt, please see my post under Some notes. -JCarriker 12:33, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Cross revert
I am fine with the revert from my changing the cross to "deceased", as you say it has precedent.

I won't contest it, but I think that the cross is poor style and a bit religiously partisan.

Thanks; I yield to a truly involved Wikipedian!

Paul & Paula
It's good, though I'd change the "ladies" to something like "female partners". RickK 22:29, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

My RFA: Thanks
Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Wikipedia (and hopefully I'll still have time to improve some of the soap opera articles). See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Various stuff
Don't have a lot of time. Sorry for rush. Lots of stuff to say. Posted my proposal at talk E.R.. When will Southern Collab. be actuive again? You interested in joining WikiProject U.S. regions, (you'd be good at it)? Do you think LGBT cat should be at Elagabalus? Please respond on my talk. Sorry for breviety. Thanks. -JCarriker 05:31, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * I had similar problems with U.S. regions. We created the postion of an elected Coordinator of the project. I found this has helped my efforts. Perhaps something similar will help you? I'd support the creation of such a postion, and think you'd do a good job as Coordinator if you wanted the postion. -JCarriker 23:28, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
 * One more thing! Could you look at the Vfd for Katie Jones, its a disambig I'm trying to save. -JCarriker 23:30, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

Help needed
You congradulated me on the work I was doing with U.S. regions. I need your help. The user who created, American West, which should have never been completed in the first place as it was a redirect, is refusing to have the article merged. CPret is trying to make this into a me verse him arguement, rather than me trying to implement a policy adopted by consesnsus. He'a trying to enforce a specific point of view, while I and the wikiproject want various views. He's taking things out of context and ignoring facts, even when links are provided. I could really use another wikipedian on the page, I need support there. -JCarriker 08:37, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Gargantuan task!
Oh no, more work! :) Well, for now, I will add it to just 1953 and 1994.  I will be taking care of the years in between when I get to them.  I did not get a chance to keep up with all the changes while I was gone and later when I returned, so there is quite a backlog to work through.  I am going to start working on all years sequentially to convert them to the format proposed on 1976 in television/Temp anyway (now that's a Pantagruelian task! :)), and hopefully will take care of the said backlog at the same time.&mdash;Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 18:22, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

Long Live Love
I wrote it. It's all stubby and such though, because I couldn't find anything about it. :-) Shiri &mdash; Talk 03:10, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Stayin' Alive's" been written too! Do that "expanding" thing that I'm not too good at. Shiri &mdash; Talk 04:37, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice work on them...I'm quite jealous. :-) Shiri &mdash; Talk 21:10, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

DYK
Thank you for updating DYK &mdash; please do so again whenever you want to. It's certainly not "my thing"; I've just updated it a bit recently. It is a bit of an exacting task as I'm sure you realize &mdash; you forgot to unprotect the old image remove mprotected, and do the same at the Commons! (I did this for you, so don't worry.) Should you wish in future to use automation, the source code I use is available via User:Gdr/DYKbot. Gdr 18:35, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

U.S. regions help
If you are still considering joining the project I could really uses your help in support of naming conventions. My stress is thorugh the roof, at Talk:American West an article which should have never existed in the first place and is riddled with POV. It should has been merged with Western United States, and needs to be redirect there or turned into a disamig. Questions have also been raised at Talk:Northern United States. I'd appreciate your help, even if you didn't join the project since you support the work. Thanks. -JCarriker 08:30, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey Mike!

I know this is overdue, but I wanted to thank you for supporting me on my RFA. Thanks to everyone who supported me, I am now an admin, and I have been using my new powers to help further Wikipedia. Thank you! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:50, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Silver Jubilee of Elizabeth II
No worries, I wasn't sure why you removed it so I added it back in. Cheers & looking forward to 'finished' version, Talrias (t | e | c) 15:56, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Silver Jubilee of Elizabeth II (again)
What would you like me to do? remembering that I was about four years old when it happened... -- Francs2000 | Talk 20:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I hope you don't mind, I have largely made it more English sounding than American sounding in the language used to describe the events. Other than that it's a good article.  Well done! -- Francs2000 | Talk  20:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks like Trudeau to me. Adam Bishop 04:50, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Knots Landing
I need your admin powers for the Knots Landing article. Aidez-moi!

69.207.24.213 19:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Theo RFA
Hi Mike: Thanks for supporting my nomination.&mdash;Theo (Talk) 06:02, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:Causes célèbres
I notice you added Steve Biko to this category. It's been voted for deletion but I am trying to save it. Please come to Votes for undeletion to express your view. David | Talk 17:42, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Di/Dixie
I'm afrad so, unfortunately. It would be pretty hard to fake her fingerprints like that. But what's even worse is that Cady McClain is available, she isn't on AW any more. RickK 22:34, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I never can remember if it's AW or ATWT that still exists, I never watch the NBC shows. And you don't want to know what I think of McTavish. Any idea who Ian Buchanan's character is supposed to be? I read a *rumor* that his son Josh was going to be Kendall's twin, don't know how they were suppoed to manage that! But then I read another rumor that said it wasn't true. RickK 23:38, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

New Felicia? What happened to Kristina Wagner? And I keep wondering why they haven't bothered to let Frisco know that his two daughters are both about to die. RickK 23:46, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Ooops...
Sorry about the mixup in dates... I saw June 19, then I saw June 26, and added 7 to that... I need to go to bed... ℬ astique▼ talk 03:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe one of these days. Cool random quote, by the way, at .  "like "you fucking breeders, why don't you fuck your OWN sex?""

Anne Heche/Soapnet "ad"?
Why did you remove that portion of Anne Heche's article where I mentioned her AW run being rebroadcast? That wasn't an "ad" for Soapnet - it's not like they are going to get much publicity from the Anne Heche page. I thought people who were reading her profile might want to know that she can currently be seen on Soapnet. I don't know how that is an ad. If you want me to reword it, I can, but I think it's important to let her fans know that what many consider her best work is rerunning on TV right now. I'd like to discuss this. If you don't see this within a few days then I will just resubmit the information on Heche's page, with different wording. --JamesB3 05:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

DYK
I changed it in response to an anon complaint. I don't usually deal with DYK and chose the articles randomly. If you feel strongly about the matter why don't you just fix it? Also, those article have or are about to reach the 72 hour limit for DYK. My change was not the reason your articles were ignored. Regards. This link is Broken 00:48, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Literature in the Seventies
I've honestly never heard of the Rossner book, but I squeezed it in because it seems compelling and influential - I may have to read it some time myself (is it "good"?). Literature is such a broad topic that I tried to use broad strokes to cover everything, and I obviously missed a lot of important works. Feel free to add (or subtract) as you see fit, because the section is far from comprehensive.

Heya...
.. I, um, don't have access to IRC :( If you want, email me. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

USF v. UCF
Due to the closeness of enrollment numbers and the edits associated them on UCF's and USF's pages, there is a discussion at User_talk:Matthewvelie proposing to insert a neutral statement on both pages. Please take a look if you have time and interest. --Flex 12:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Damn you, anyway. :)
You got in just ahead of me to vote Tabu back in as an admin! Ya nut! Howzit goin'? - Lucky 6.9 15:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

60s and 70s
Sorry not to reply to your earlier message. My article on the 60s has been gutted by boring persons and I have lost interest in it. I don't in any case think the 70s have the same clear focus of events. So, no, I won't be particpating. Adam 22:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Thank you for your support!  Grue  07:03, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

poll
Poll There is a poll in the talk page of Macedonian Slavs article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll

Some people are lobbying for changing the article's name to Macedonian without any qualifier. As it seems, a number of these people come from the Macedonian/Macedonian Slav wikipedia project. It seemed only fair to attract the attention of people possibly from the other side of the story. I hope that this message is of interest to you, if not please accept my apologies. Newcomer 11:14, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Waltons
''I never saw the later seasons so I didn't know how long it ran, but this paragraph specifically confused me:

World War II deeply influenced the family. Mary-Ellen's husband Curtis Willard, a physician, is called up. He is sent to Pearl Harbor where he dies during the Japanese attack on December 7, 1941. The last scene in the show is the younger Walton boys walking out of their home in order to enlist in the service.

I took "last scene in the show" to mean the last scene in the series, and not that specific episode. Can you reword it to avoid further confusion? Mike H 15:39, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)'' I didn't actually write that part. I think a lot of that page was written by a non-native speaker of English. I'll be glad to remove that sentence. Thanks. Rockhopper10r 16:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sports section on The Seventies
Why re-add it back if you're not going to contribute to it? Mike H 15:16, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * never said i wouldn't, i'm at work, so i can't do anything extensive about it.  but just because the info has not been modified, does not mean that it doesn't belong there.  if you delete it, how will others know that it existed to contribute to it.  if its there, and others see that its underdeveloped, then they can work on it, but if its not there, no one can add to it. --ZeWrestler 15:45, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Music in the Seventies
I found a photographer online who has rock & roll photography from the 70s... (and later). I've sent her an email asking for one of her Donna pictures. Cross your fingers! ℬ astique<font style="color:#FF72E3;">▼ talk 14:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)