User talk:MilborneOne/Archive 17

Wikibreak
Hope your time off goes well and that we'll see you back soon. - Ahunt (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ditto the above, and...
...quack, quack, our old friend was back. and an IP, both made into duck soup. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:31, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys, still doing some other things at the moment but will be around to a limited degree for a while. MilborneOne (talk) 14:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad to see you are back! - Ahunt (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hubert Broad
My name is Colin Rosewell. Hubert Stanford Broad is my 3rd cousin. I have written articles on Hubert Broad for the Watford and De Haviland Museums. I will add anything I have to your article in Wikipedia. My first query is the DOB for Hubert Broad - I have 27 May 1897 as supplied by his first cousin. What is your source? I can get his his birth certificate if necessary! Colinrosewell (talk) 04:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, all the sources should be in the Hubert Broad article, the obituary in Flight gives the 18 May 1897, the Royal Aero Club Aviators Certificate gives the 20 May 1897 and when his death was registered whoever registered it gave his birth date as the 20 May 1897. I used 18 May in the article but I made a note in the article about the 20th May and it would appear that the 20th May is more likely. Perhaps the best way is to get the certificate as with all the best will his first cousin is not a reliable source in wiki terms! Any efforts to improve the article would be appreciated but remember you should try and use published sources rather than your own notes. MilborneOne (talk) 10:35, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Virgin Australia Short-Haul International to Pacific Blue Airlines
I've tried moving it back myself per WP:BOLD and WP:COMMONNAME as I've noticed the discussion over at Talk:Virgin Australia, but it's not letting me due to the double move by the previous editor/s who have moved the article. As you are a admin, can you do the move by deleting Pacific Blue Airlines to make way for the move from the former's location per the above 2 linked reasons please? Thanks. Sb617 (Talk) 22:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * done MilborneOne (talk) 10:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Bernard Lynch?
Seasons greetings! Milb, do you have access to any details on the life of Bernard Lynch (Martin-Baker test guinea pig)? Quite a notable character as the first ever ejectee. I have details of his flying achievements but nothing on his bio, must be an obituary somewhere for him. Sqn Ldr John Fifield followed him with live zero-zero tests and W.T 'Doddy' Hay did the bulk of the work for V bomber seats. Would like to write articles on them but I don't have much to go on (apart from a book written by Doddy Hay). Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)   07:18, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Not much so far the London Times has in 1946 A 27-year-old Irishman, a former member of the Eire Air Force, has volunteered to be fired from a Gloster Meteor fighter modified to carry two people. ..  The volunteer, Bernard Lynch, an employee of the Martin Baker Company.. A 1947 report of the actual first says he was 29! It was reported in 1953 Mr Lynch a 34-year old Irishman was awarded the B.E.M. Might be more in the Flight archive. MilborneOne (talk) 10:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Great, cheers. I had a look in Flight but didn't find much apart from his flying exploits and the BEM award. He must have been getting paid lots to keep doing it! Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)   11:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The London Gazette of 1 January 1948 has his BEM at http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/38161/supplements/36 Bernard Ignatius Lynch, Ground Fitter, Martin Baker Aircraft Company Ltd., Middlesex and with the middle name a search finds that a Bernard Ignatius Lynch died in the Wycombe District of Buckinghamshire in 1986 and it gives his date of birth as 15 February 1918. MilborneOne (talk) 11:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Ignatius?!! Final location makes sense as he would have been living near Denham most probably. Almost enough for an article now, will see if there is any more (according to Doddy Hay he was known as Benny Lynch, searching for that might find more). Cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)   11:37, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Airbus A320 family
I edited the article and inserted the airline Philippine Airlines to the users. You undid my edit and said it was spam. The type of aircraft that I edited was the most that the airlines had and I think that was enough to put it in the MORE USERS if you saw. They may not be a primary user but they are a USER. I think that your judgement is not in the right way. Benedict Sarino (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The users listed in the Primary Users section of the infobox is normally based on size of the fleet, those listed have hundreds of airbuses, PAL I believe about 20, they are just not that significant. We only have room for four users in the infobox we cant list everybody. If you have an issue then please raise it on the article talk page, thanks. Oh and I appreciate the barnstar it has generated an assume good faith warning on your page. MilborneOne (talk) 16:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I think you should have the warning because of your line,"Oh and I appreciate the barnstar....". I think that was an insult, if you want to explain something say it with no insults to continue the feud. Hope that you and I learned something. Or the discussion won't be over.Benedict Sarino (talk) 08:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Dakota Queen
Were you thinking of following up the Prod with AfD? GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Consider it done. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to AfD but I had a real world distraction, thanks to Bushranger for raising it. MilborneOne (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Partenair Mystere‎
Thanks for starting this article! It is an interesting aircraft with a complex history, even if only two prototypes were ever built! As you may have noted I just happened to be in the right place back in 2004 to get some photos of the S45 prototype. I have lots more, but just added three to the article. I wish I could find some refs on the noise issue, but nothing seems to have been published on it. One thing I did learn in 2004 was that the original S45 suffered from a similar problem to the Piaggio P.180 Avanti - the airflow over the airframe and the through the pusher propeller created the most amazing noise you have ever heard. It was probably the most noisy piston single I have ever heard in flight. They tried to address this with the Mark II design changes, but I don't think that fixed it. I think the reason they never sold any was that the potential buyers heard it fly and realized they would get kicked out of any airport they tried to base it at by all the complaints from the neighbours. I'm still looking for refs on that! My boss at the time at the Canadian Owners and Pilots Association said he hoped they would cancel the project as he thought if they sold many it had the potential to put an end to aviation in Canada just by itself. - Ahunt (talk) 14:07, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additions and images, somehow I knew you would have some pictures! nice looking aircraft and as you say a pity about the noise. MilborneOne (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Pity they seem to have gone out of business as well! - Ahunt (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That is one nifty looking bird! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:56, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It is kind of snazzy. Too bad there is only one left flying. - Ahunt (talk) 19:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

File:LANCASTER KB-976 FLIGHT JUL 4 1967.jpg
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE VIA THE TALK SO I WILL USE THIS. YOU WANT TO REMOVE THIS IMAGE FROM THE LYNN GARRISON SITE BECAUSE OF A LACK OF  SOME   AUTHORIZATION. I GOT IT FROM THE FREE WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA. SEE ABOVE. I AM WRITING A BOOK ON LYNN GARRISON AND THIS SHOWS HIS LANCASTER FLIGHT OF JULY 4, 1964. I SUPPOSE YOU CAN REMOVE IT BUT IT FITS HIS STORY AND LOOKS GREAT.

SORRY TO MESS UP THIS ENTRY Corsair133693''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corsair133693 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry Corsair you dont make any sense and please dont use capital letters it is considered rude. You uploaded it to wikipedia as File:LANGEMANN LANCASTER SIGNATURES.jpg but it was deleted because it lacked any source or licence information, you then uploaded it commons as File:LANCASTER KB-976 FLIGHT JUL 4 1967.jpg claiming you hold the copyright. Although you had mentioned that it was created by Robert Morgan when you uploaded to wikipedia. So I am at a loss to understand how you can get an image from wikipedia and claim that as authorisation when you uploaded it in the first place. Simple if you took the image of the Lancaster in 1964 then you own the copyright but what you uploaded is a picture of a signed image which still keeps the original copyright. So if you took the original then it would be easier to upload the higher quality version without signatures. If you didnt take the original non-signature version then you need to get permission from whoever originally took it. A lot of your other uploads appear to be just images of pictures in a scrapbook which you cant claim as yours either unless you took the original. You need to sort out what you actually own before you upload anything else and suggest you declare any images not taken by yourself (photographing a scrapbook does not give you any rights). MilborneOne (talk) 23:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

My apologies for the capitals. I am in Haiti and the computer jammed on capitals and I couldn’t correct this until I took it to Miami. I am really quite polite and didn’t mean to be rude. The photos are not from a scrapbook. They are from my computer memory which holds a lot of stuff I have photographed, over the years. I did a lot of work on the Blue Max, Darling Lili and the Corman projects. The original slides and negatives were lost in the January, 2010 earthquake here, along with 387,000 people. I had prints of some and these were scanned, by my son, into the memory. The negative of the Lancaster is gone and the one with the signatures was uploaded for me from his original souvenir print of the flight by Ralph Langemenn, co-pilot on the last Lancaster sortie. Lynn Garrison’s signed copy was destroyed years ago, as I understand it. I used to own a publishing company, with the original cut and paste approach and have not adjusted to the much better, easier digital concept. I thought that the items, although not of super high quality, added something to a site that lacked illustration. Perhaps I was wrong. My personal thanks to you, and the other volunteers, who do so much to make this encyclopedia such an immediate and interesting source of detail. Best regards, Corsair133693 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corsair133693 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Canadian Parliamentary Motion on Alexander Graham Bell
Was there a consensus for this move? I saw nothing but "oppose" but move went through anyway? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC).
 * It looks like the article has been hijacked, not just the name changed but all mention of Canada has been removed from the introduction. All a bit naughty - really needs a non-POV title and make-over big time, in my opinion. MilborneOne (talk) 22:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to add the oppose were for a merger into another article not for a move, I cant find any move discussion so really it should be reverted and discussed as a contested move. MilborneOne (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

From reading the discussion "string", apparently a request for a move was made and rejected much earlier; there does seem to be a case of I just don't like it here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC).

Bristol racing biplane
The wl George Challenger in the article is somewhat startling....I suppose a disambiguation page is needed although there is no article on Challenger. I've no idea how one goes about this, though.TheLongTone (talk) 09:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought we had an article on Challenger!, I will see about doing something this week, talking Bristol - Cyril Uwins is also worthy of an article as well. MilborneOne (talk) 09:51, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Good luck on Challenger, there seems to be little known about him. From memory there are a a couple of letters from him in the very early editions of Flight, which show that his interest in aviation predates the foundation of Bristol & ColonialTheLongTone (talk) 10:04, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * George Henry Challenger as a starter - although it needs some more work. MilborneOne (talk) 12:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Fast work! There doesn't seem to be an article on the Vickers E.F.B.1 which Challenger designed with Archibald Reith Low: I've started one in my userspace & since this is a British aircraft for which I have decent reference I sould be able to lick this into reasonable shape today. It will make a pleasant change from struggling with early French aircraft. Working on these is like trying to make soup from tapwater and a handful of gravel.TheLongTone (talk) 13:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Notable accidents @ Super Tucanos
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano&diff=468029772&oldid=467956994#Notable_accidents

Why don't you consider death of air force pilots Notable? Check If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list. Do you need more sources? Dafranca (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry but military aircraft crash it is a fact of life and are very rarely notable, have a look at WP:AIRCRASH . So sources are not an issue they are just not notable. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed (unfortunatly). See also WP:ROUTINE/WP:MILL. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * My bad, Thanks Dafranca (talk) 01:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Typo redirect
Hi! It's a typo I saw in an official publication somewhere. Because it's a typo in an official publication, I established the redirect WhisperToMe (talk) 20:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The typo is located in http://resources.kingsturge.com/contentresources/property/tempPDFs/1/24060926370__pdf.pdf - it's a real estate document about the BMI property in London WhisperToMe (talk) 20:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK I am not sure one typo out of a number of correct mentions in a marketing document is worthy of a redirect but thanks for the explanation. MilborneOne (talk) 20:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You are welcome :)
 * If a typo appears in something like a marketing document, then I perceive of it as a "plausible" typo (a mistake likely to occur) and therefore worthy of a redirect. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes understood, it is as you say a plausible typo. MilborneOne (talk) 20:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)