User talk:MilborneOne/Archive 20

Template talk:Infobox aircraft
Ping, re the above. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Protection...
Can you full-protect my user page thanks to these catty sockers? Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Peperell book
G'day, would you mind swinging by the Piper Aircraft article and checking some of the "cite needed"-tagged stuff to see if it's in Peperell and Smith's Piper book? Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 10:09, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Eagle Air (Tanzania)


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 * It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Eagle Air (Tanzania)


A tag has been placed on Eagle Air (Tanzania) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Nomination of Eagle Air (Tanzania) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Eagle Air (Tanzania) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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MSW Votec 232
Evening MilborneOne,

A while ago you started this page. I've just been looking at the Votec collection in the latest Jane's and was a bit surprised that the 232 was not mentioned, even in its summary of the company history. However, they do include the 322 and give details which seem to match those in the 232 article: reg of first aircraft, date of ff, span, accommodation etc. Is it possible there is a typo in our article's title? I don't have the JAWAs cited in it to check, though the local library probably does. It could be that Jane's have muddled 232 and 322 at some point, or perhaps we have. I've yet to grasp the MSW numbering system, though I guess there is method to it. Any thoughts on the right name? Cheers,TSRL (talk) 16:31, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Could be my mistake, I dont have that Jane's anymore I borrowed it from a company library which I dont have access to anymore, I will have a look around and see what I can find out. MilborneOne (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Agh just noticed that HB-YJY is listed as a MSW Votec 322 in the official register http://www.bazl.admin.ch/fachleute/luftfahrzeugregister/index.html?lang=en&lang__=&lfrSucheDetailKnz=HB-YJY I have moved the article! MilborneOne (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that! I'll fill in some of the newer variants derivatives; there are tandem and side by side two seaters around.TSRL (talk) 15:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Allison V-1710
Probably safe to unprotect the Allison V-1710 now, the IP is running out of uncited specs sections to 'adjust'! Seems all quiet over there now. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    20:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

✅ MilborneOne (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

AirTran Page Notice
Hi! Can you delete this page notice as the HQ has moved to Dallas and the Orlando one is closed so this notice is actually false, Thanks! Kairportflier (talk) 03:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ MilborneOne (talk) 08:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank You! Kairportflier (talk) 21:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

File:68 1-2 Brown Street, Literary Arts Program, Brown University.jpeg
Forwarded Mark's email as requested. Hopefully it's enough- Atrivedi (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, if you follow the procedure and send it to permissions-en@wikimedia.org then one of the OTRS team will review it. MilborneOne (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent- thanks for letting me know! I forwarded the message as instructed. Atrivedi (talk) 19:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012
Hi MilborneOne. Thank you for your work on patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Sangalore, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to look at the suggested tasks for patrollers and review the criteria for speedy deletion. Particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion, proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. ''I'm kind of surprised to find myself having to explain this to another admin, but as is reflected right in the template you used, the criterion " only applies to cases where the deception is so obvious as to constitute pure vandalism." '' Beeblebrox (talk) 23:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK please yourself then, zero google hits false information in the infobox an image not related. MilborneOne (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The image is one we already have of the river this city is allegedly on the banks of. Google hits for cities in India... well let's just say that's not a good meteic. It may well be bunk, or it could be that there is simply no content in English that Google recognizes as being related to this settlement. It's certainly not about pleasing me, it would have been simpler to just do as you suggested and delete it. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you need a second opnion rather than just use the admin tools, oh just for information it was speedy deleted by another admin following an AfD. MilborneOne (talk) 12:49, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Anir1uph | talk | contrib 18:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Again! Anir1uph | talk | contrib 19:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Again! And i have sent an email to your mail a/c linked to Wikipedia. Anir1uph | talk | contrib 20:02, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Again! (requesting removal of speedy deletion tag) Anir1uph | talk | contrib 22:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport
Can you please protect Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport. There seems to be a constant edit war going on and it needs to stop. Thanks so much! Kairportflier (talk) 02:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * All quiet at the moment, I have added it to my watchlist so if it flares up again I will protect it. MilborneOne (talk) 12:46, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank You! Kairportflier (talk) 13:26, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

S C H Davis
Do you know whether or not this man was born with a different surname as it says here? Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 10:17, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * No it was my mistake it should be Davis, sorry about that. MilborneOne (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pemberton-Billing P.B.1
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

British Caledonian
Hi, There are a number of IP users that are listing no notable incidents on British Caledonian. I am pretty sure its the same person as all the ip's are also editing Dan-Air. I have placed a notice on a talk page. I was wondering if you can help please? Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 23:51, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of the other project members have removed the non-notable accidents and tidied up, I will keep an eye on it, I presume its the same hopping IP who never gives an edit summary. MilborneOne (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks the one. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 15:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, The IP user has come back and put the incidents back. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 18:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note - I have reverted and left a note on IPs talk page, if he/she dont stop we may have to see about protecting the article. MilborneOne (talk) 19:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i didnt want to revert it myself and get myself in an edit war. --JetBlast (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Linking airline destinations in the table
Hi. I am really against linking of destinations list in an airport article. Could you please point out the discussion for which it was agreed to link them? Thanks, &mdash;  Abhishek  Talk 14:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It is listed at WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airports) you may need to search the WP:AIRPORTS archive to find the related discussion. It may be easier to start a new discussion on the airports talk, I am sure somebody in the project will remember the reasons why it was done. MilborneOne (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Tomi1988a
This user keeps adding lots of fair use images to his sandbox and his userpage. He has been warned by me and another user about this on his talk page and he is ignoring. I have removed them a number of times and he is just restoring them. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 15:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have removed them from his/her sandbox and left another note, we may need to use some admin action if they restore them again. MilborneOne (talk) 19:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, wasn't really sure what to do. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 19:38, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding the process is getting spiral and exceedingly time-consuming. Content disputes can hold up article development, therefore we request your participation in the discussion to help find a resolution. The thread is "Talk:India".The discussion is about the topic Template:Largest cities of India. Thank you! -- Mrt 3366 (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 10:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * [A sip at the tea and a deep breath] You deserve more respect than I probably have rendered. I am sorry for moving your comment on the RFC page without notifying you, don't get mad please. I would like to take this time out (mostly owing to the fact that my net is working smoothly for the last few minutes) to explain that I didn't mean to disrespect your input in any way nor did I have any disingenuous reason behind the move. I simply wanted to keep the RFC straight-forward and simple. I, at that moment, thought that although creating new headings in an RFC is not a bad thing at all, if everybody started creating their own headings then the page will inevitably turn into another unmanageable imbroglio. I again implore you, please do not take offense to that. Mr T  (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 15:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Request
We are having a discussion about the need to blurr non-free logos at Talk:Google_Chrome_OS regarding this image and its use in Google Chrome OS. I know you have some expertise in copyright rules, so could I impose upon you to have a look at the issue and add your opinion as to whether these logos are covered under fair-use or need to be blurred or otherwise removed. Thank you for your time. - Ahunt (talk) 12:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

West Hartlepool War Memorial
Hello,

Thanks so much for your input on West Hartlepool War Memorial - both in terms of edits and feedback on the talk page.

I'm just finishing up the last of the copy edit for the article and have a quick question for you - do you, by chance, know what the article name is for this citation? Or, was there no specific article name - just News in Brief?

--CaroleHenson (talk) 14:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I didnt have a title it was just a small section of text describing the donation. MilborneOne (talk) 16:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for barnstar - thought appreciated. MilborneOne (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC on differentiating reference syntax in text window
Hi MilborneOne-- based on the village pump discussion on giving reference syntax a unique color to differentiate from other text while editing, I've opened up an RfC to expand the audience on the topic. You are welcome to participate anytime. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 00:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Key Lime Air
Hi. A user requested unprotection of a number of articles at WP:RFPP and Key Lime Air was one of them. I unprotected it since it's been a year without any issue, though I kind of feel that I probably should have run this by you first given the problems throughout 2011. Obviously if these resume then the article can be reprotected immediately, I have it on my watchlist as well now. Thanks. – Steel 14:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * OK no problem but we will need to keep an eye on it. MilborneOne (talk) 16:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Musée de l'Air protection level
Hi Milb1, could you have a look at the protection level at Musée de l'Air please? I think it is only supposed to be protected from moves, no edit windows appear so we can't get in!! Cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    15:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ MilborneOne (talk) 16:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ta, I was confused there for a minute! I spotted it after an edit request on the talk page (to remove an aircraft that is not there). The museum it apparently is in is the 'Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine', looks like quite a large collection that we don't have an article on. Cheers Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    16:35, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Braathens aircraft
Thank you for your comments at Featured list candidates/List of Braathens aircraft/archive1, which have all been seen to. Could you at your convenience reply to the comments, cap the comments or support the nomination. Thanks, Arsenikk (talk)  13:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

What Is Going On?
In this reversion, you state "none of them appear to be notable as the list has been challenged". What does this even mean?
 * Does it mean that since the list has been challenged, therefore the presidents of Sikorsky are not notable? That sounds like a bogus inference.
 * Note the list was challenged as "uncited and not really needed". It's now cited.  That leaves the "not really needed" objection.  Why isn't it "needed"?  Could it be that "WP:I just don't like it"?
 * If the presidents and general managers of Sikorsky "aren't notable", shouldn't you WP:AfD List of Hewlett-Packard executive leadership and List of CEOs of Ford Motor Company for the same reason? What about summarily deleting Yahoo and History of General Motors?
 * Finally, and most importantly, WP:Notability is used to judge "whether a topic can have its own article", not whether the leaders of an organization should be included in an article about that organization. Reinterpreting this mis-citing of policy as "I, MilborneOne don't like to see a list of Sikorsky's presidents in the article about Sikorsky", why do you think presenting a list of Sikorsky's leaders is irrelevant to understanding the topic of "Sikorsky Aircraft"?
 * -- DanielPenfield (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment, your addition has been challenged and you now need to go to the Sikorsky talk page to gain consensus from other editors before you can add it. MilborneOne (talk) 11:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand now... The claims that it was "uncited" and that the presidents of Sikorsky are "not notable" are in fact red herrings...  You and your pal just don't want a non-regular editing your article at all—a phenomenon that seems to be on the rise.  The nonsensical "appeals to policy" were just to provide a veneer of legitimacy to obscure the "WP:I just don't like it!!!"  Message received loud and clear! -- DanielPenfield (talk) 01:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you need to read WP:NPA. MilborneOne (talk) 09:22, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What you may feel is a "personal attack", I feel is calling out the truth. As Wikipedia has gotten older, the number of editors who are quick to wholesale revert legitimate edits for no other reason than they're from someone who has never edited "their" article has risen.  Each article seems to have its own cadre of self-appointed "guardians" whose sole purpose is to prevent edits from accounts they don't recognize.  Of course, given the mind-bending inference "none of them appear to be notable as the list has been challenged", your veiled allegation above may just be a pretext to have me banned for simply pointing out that neither you nor User:BilCat ever had any intention of following the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle to begin with, starting with the first reversion, which apparently didn't even merit an edit summary, and followed by the haughty "your edits are "not really needed" and "need to take it to the talk page".  Given this "circling of the wagons", I assume that editing anything related to avionics will be summarily reverted without comment by you, User:BilCat, and whoever else is in your clique.  You and your buddies should create a "this article is not to be edited by outsiders" template so at least I can identify if there's anything left that you'll deign to "allow" me to edit.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 10:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If I may butt in, a couple of thoughts. Firstly if the OP feels so passionate about this content, the place to resolve this by reaching a consensus is the article talk page, as already noted. Secondly, that being insulting and intemperate are poor strategies for promoting an opinion.TheLongTone (talk) 10:04, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I came here looking for an explanation of the twisted statement that "none of them appear to be notable as the list has been challenged" given in the second revert of my edits, not to convince anyone of anything, because it had become apparent at that point that there's no way the "guardians" of the article were ever going to accept anything I wrote for the article (or any avionics article, for that matter). I'm not that good at reading between the lines, but I can now separate the false appeals to WP:CITE and WP:N from the core of the matter.  I know now that when someone "appeals to policy and guidelines" in the same breath as stating that my otherwise legitimate edits are "not really needed" what the reverter is really saying is WP:I just don't like it; the only "consensus to be reached" is the consensus that the regulars won't accept edits from non-regulars.  There hasn't been an "opinion to be promoted" since the second revert.  End of story.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 10:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * When one editor reverts somethig it may be 'I don't like it' but when more than one does so you either have to accept the need to argue your case or do as you are doing, which is to abandon the issue and complain about cabals of editors. I count myself a relativly inexperienced editor, and have not had any experience of my edits being reverted simply because I was not one of a favoured in-crowd. Certainly some of my edits have been challenged, but in all cases the matter has been entirely satisfactorily resolved by using the article talk page.TheLongTone (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You can keep running the "just use the talk page" up the flagpole in bold, but the fact of the matter is that nobody was or is going to accept any edit I make to any avionics article. I might have correctly construed the first phony appeal to policy as just the opinions of one self-entitled arbiter of taste, but the second phony appeal revealed that there are entrenched interests whose sole purpose is to block the non-regulars.  After that, there's no sense in wasting even more time on the talk page than there was in expending the effort to cite the table to address the phony "it's not cited" concern.  -- DanielPenfield (talk) 12:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Certainly nobody is going to accept your edits if you do not deign to argue your case.TheLongTone (talk) 12:19, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sudan Azza Air Transport Antonov An-12 crash
Hello as you now that on October 7 2012 a Azza Air Transport Antonov An-12B flying on behalf of the Sudan Air Force crashed near Khartoum with 13 deaths. A twin engine failure was reported. I like to now if this accident is notable to have it own article. --Grandfallout (talk) 11:48, 8 Ocotber 2012 (GMT)
 * Probably if you consider it a civil aircraft on a military charter, it possibly would not be if it was a military aircraft as they crash more often. Really need to ask a wider audience like the WP:AVIATION talk page. MilborneOne (talk) 11:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you for your help. --Grandfallout (talk) 12:51, 8 Ocotber 2012 (GMT)


 * G'day from Oz; just a heads-up MB, that Grandfallout has been confirmed as a sock of Ryan kirkpatrick. YSSYguy (talk) 07:42, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well spotted, it did ring a few bells but was not 100% sure. MilborneOne (talk) 11:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Laurie Hawn again
This harkens back to this previous conversation when I appealed to you to have a look at this article and you kindly cleaned it up, as I know the person who is the subject of the article. The article is once again being edited by someone who seems to have been hired to "pretty it up". I have restricted myself to tagging and formatting one ref, as well as welcoming and COI templating the new contributor, but perhaps I could prevail upon you to once again have a look at it for COI/PEACOCK problems. - Ahunt (talk) 20:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem I dont have any time tonight but will have a look at it tomorrow. MilborneOne (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! - Ahunt (talk) 22:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Had a bit of a tidy up, some of the stuff has been tagged since last time so I reset the dates back to March 2011. Interesting does everybody get Canadian Forces Decoration and post-nom for just 12 years not getting caught! MilborneOne (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing it up. Yup the CD is for 12 years service and then clasps for each additional tens years after that. You have to be jailed to avoid getting it, so it is probably not very notable. I have one myself. All that uncited stuff probably needs to be removed soon under WP:BLP. - Ahunt (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash
I did all the proper ref work on the talkpage already; see Talk:2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash. You just need to copy it in. noclador (talk) 12:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

I've noticed that you are from the UK and you served with the Royal Air Force. Maybe, considering the memory of No. 303 Polish Fighter Squadron and its contribution in the Battle of Britain (as the article says: "However, Polish and Czech fliers proved to be especially effective. The pre-war Polish Air Force had lengthy and extensive training, and high standards; with Poland conquered and under brutal German occupation, the pilots of No. 303 (Polish) Squadron, the highest-scoring Allied unit, were strongly motivated"), could you pay some more attention on the article 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash and the information I brought up on the talk page ? Regards, Voyt13 (talk) 23:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Cyril Uwins
Well that's keeping you busy, isn't it! I saved this by mistake, only meant to preview, so it has even more typos &c than usual from me. I'm totally mortified by the date of death clanger....TheLongTone (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, nothing that a bit of team work cant sort. MilborneOne (talk) 18:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I was surprised nobody has done him, but then again he's not the goalkeeper from a virtually unknown soccer team...takes all sorts.TheLongTone (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

London Stansted Airport
''As agreed, article unreverted and discussion here moved to Category talk:Post towns in the United Kingdom. — Richardguk (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)''

Colomban MC-100 Ban-Bi
Hi MB: We are getting a bunch of IP addresses adding unsourced text to the article that contradicts the cited text. I have attempted to get some discussion going on the talk page but none of them are talking. Could you please semi-protect this article for a bit? Thanks for considering this request. - Ahunt (talk) 17:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

(ten days) MilborneOne (talk) 18:13, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly. - Ahunt (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleting section I added on "Aviation accidents and incidents"
Hi! Briefly looking at your talk page, I saw you've done great contributions and first of all, not knowing them, I want to congratulate you for it! Moving on, I saw you deleted a section I added to the article Aviation accidents and incidents about the Mayday series, which investigate air crashes. You replied deleting it, and saying "investigation is not really notable to an overview article on accidents and incidents". I understand your opinion, yet I'd like to talk to you about this. Why do you think this? I don't agree entirely. I may be wrong, but I actually never thought that what I wrote was inappropriate for that place. Sim(ã)o(n) (talk) 18:25, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You need to raise it on the related talk page at Talk:Aviation accidents and incidents but my edit summary sums it up that an entertainment programme is not that important to an overview article. But others may disagree so bring it up on the talk page, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Embraer EMB 312 Tucano
Your comment: "need more tweaks as some of it doesnt make sense in English" could you point out where doesnt make sense on the article.


 * I have already changed the bits that didnt make sense but as the original meaning was not clear it just needs to be checked that I did not change the intended meaning. MilborneOne (talk) 14:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Some parts of your changes doesnt make fit the source, I will have to change it... Your inputs are welcome. Dafranca (talk) 02:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Virgin Australia
Hi, Please can you take a look at Virgin Australia, IP users keep adding content that is not sourced. The IP keeps changing and i have added warnings to the talk pages. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, also please see the discussion on my talk page regarding this. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 20:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * OK left a comment. MilborneOne (talk) 08:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Important information on 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash
Traces of explosives (TNT and Nitroglycerin) on the wreck Proposal IV Voyt13 (talk) 11:49, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Noted. MilborneOne (talk) 08:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Codeshares on airlines pages
Hi, please can you look at this please, particularly the parts about having alliances in codeshare sections. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Commented. MilborneOne (talk) 08:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Westinghouse J30
Morning Milb1! Can you have a look at Westinghouse J30 please? Continual removal of the same cited information by the same IP, I could bust 3RR if I keep fixing it. Perhaps protect it for a while and drop the IP a warning note, cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    10:05, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * semi-protected MilborneOne (talk) 11:48, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I was reverting also when I could. Quite strange. - BilCat (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Somehow the top section has got broken by a protection bot, I can't see how to fix it myself. All good fun! Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    14:48, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Messed move (again)
Morning MilbourneOne: Could you move User:E&P Special to E&P Special, please? Once again, in a rush, I forgot to label it as an article. Cheers,TSRL (talk) 09:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * done MilborneOne (talk) 12:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!TSRL (talk) 12:28, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Aliyen kentaoui.jpg
Hello, about the file in question, I had searched for a free license image that could substitute this one, but I hadnt found it, neither in Flickr, blogs, webpages, etc..., as all are explicitly copyrighted or seemed so. So I disagree with the consideration that the file could be replaced by free content, and request the file to not being deleted. Regards,--HCPUNXKID (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK normally as I nominated the article it will not be me that deletes it but you have done the right thing and raised you points on the File:Aliyen kentaoui.jpg page. Just to note if the subject is still alive it is possible to take a free image of him, the fact you cant actually find one is not normally a reason to allow use of a non-free image, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Optical Express
Thanks for the fresh neutral eye on this article...much improved now.Theroadislong (talk) 21:40, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * but... oh dear the edit warring has now continued : ( Theroadislong (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Trouble brewing
See contributions from a newcomer with a political bent. FWiW, the user name is also controversial. Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC).


 * Thanks for that I have been busy today with activites connected to Remembrance Day. Looks like the user has now been blocked, but we need to keep an eye out for sock activity on Su-25. MilborneOne (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I need an opinion
Does an aviation accident involving a Britten-Norman Islander qualify for List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft? FYI this is the accident in question. Thank you for the help....William 18:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I would think so, it may only be a small aircraft but in many parts of the world it is used for regular commercial services particularly from islands with small airstrips, that said this one was on a scheduled flight albeit a substitute service. MilborneOne (talk) 18:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The concern the other editor had was the list requirement 'minimum passenger seating capacity of 10 seats (8 passenger seats minimum prior to 1940)' According to WP, the Norman Islander seats 8 or 9 passengers plus 1 or two pilots and the flight in question had 9 passengers. So is it still fine to leave it up? Thanks for the help as always....William 19:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I would argue that the Islander is an exception due to its use between small island communities on commercial services, we can raise it as an exception on the related talk page to see if anybody else has an opinion. MilborneOne (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft
Somebody has separated the list into ones for the 20th and 21st centuries without prior discussion. Can you possibly move the pages back to where they belong. I'm telling the editor in question to take it to the talk page....William 13:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Done - you might want to raise it on the talk page but User talk:Kristijh has blanked your message so presumably doesnt want to discuss it. MilborneOne (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Alenia (disambiguation)
Michael, could you restore Alenia (disambiguation) and move it back to Alenia? With Alenia Aeronautica having been reorganized as Alenia Aermacchi, it probably makes more sense to use a DAB page for the butterfly and the various incarnations of the company, but I don't feel like creating one from scratch today, as I'm not feeling well. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * MilborneOne (talk) 22:49, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 23:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Muddled template
Morning Milborne: Sorry to bother you again but I have a Template problem. I wrote a Template for Ciani aircraft, using an earlier one for Akaflieg Stuttgart as my starting point, which at first sight worked fine and is in a couple of articles. However, if you want to Edit it by clicking E, it returns the Akaflieg Stuttgart Template edit page rather than the Ciani one. I can see where the problem is in the source code but am not allowed to edit it. Could you correct it? If it's difficult, it might be as easy to delete the whole Template and I'll do it again; it's only a short list and I've not had this problem in the past. Thanks again,TSRL (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * (TPS) Have fixed it for you by changing the name in the code. Why wouldn't it let you edit it? Cheers. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    10:38, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much. Because I was trying to edit via the E on the template I was not able to get at the Ciani code. I've realised now that what I should, and could, have done was to open Template:Ciani aircraft and edit as normal! Instead, I opened the source code (C++?) where I could see the problem lines but not edit them. One learns, slowly! Cheers,TSRL (talk) 11:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping Nimbus. MilborneOne (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Pomfret, Connecticut
There's an editor who keeps inserting their name into the notable people section of the article. They have a WP:COI and I dispute their notability. Could you please look at it? Thank you....William 15:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I think WilliamJE needs to get a life. He knows nothing about me and who is he? Please see User talk page. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ford Fay (talk • contribs)


 * I have protected the page for a few days to encourage discussion, and I have left a note on Ford Fay's talk page. The article could do with a good tidy up. MilborneOne (talk) 15:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * FYI, I'm not going to edit war over this. If I see Ford Fay return after the protection is over with I will drop you a note. The article for his notability says he is a local croquet fanatic. You need something more than that to make an encyclopedic list of notable people. Am I notable because I was the first independent blogger to be credentialed by the LPGA Tour and that my experiences getting credentialed were mentioned in a oped for a major newspaper? No, I don't think Faye is either.


 * Here's a quote I love- "What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left."- Oscar Levant


 * BTW, I am one of the editors who keep an eye out for Ryan kirkpatrick. I usually drop The Bushranger a note after a sighting but TB appears busy at the moment. If I see Ryan around, I'll drop you a note instead. Thanks for the help....William 16:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Understand WilliamJE and I am aware of your contribution, also note that most ryan hunters watch TBs talk page just in case he is off watch and somebody else has flagged a sighting. MilborneOne (talk) 16:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

He's back
Ryan K, of course. He created Neos Flight 731....William 17:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Bagged and tagged refer spi. MilborneOne (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Boeing X-48
Please look at the talk page to see some discussion over the removal of a hoax. Perhaps there is some other way to resolve what seemed to be some pertinent research by an editor. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:38, 23 November 2012 (UTC).
 * I think that moving the section to the Blended wing body article appears to be the most appropriate way to resolve some of the concerns, all very AGF, BTW. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC).

Talk:Golden Hawks
Please look at the article talk page as it is devolving into some tendentious editing. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC).
 * Yes I have just noticed, happy with you latest suggestion. MilborneOne (talk) 15:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

List of RAF MUs
Hello Milborne! Have just tried to expand the material on 27 MU Shawbury and added to the Bibliography. However I cannot get the layout right. Some 'clever' new regimes here that I cannot fathom!. Would welcome your kind 'intervention'. Regards. RuthAS (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * MilborneOne (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Milborne. Will now leave this table alone! Curently working on improving RAF Shawbury. RuthAS (talk) 17:05, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft
Could you possibly page protect this article. IP editors are vandalizing it aka putting in a 2013 plane crash. Thanks....William 17:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * semi for three days. MilborneOne (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

He's back
Ryan Kirkpatrick. Check out Inter Iles Air Flight 170....William 12:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like others have already sorted it, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 17:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Thaden aircraft
Template:Thaden aircraft has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Possible Ryan sighting
2012 Trans Air Congo Ilyushin Il-76 crash is done by a new editor. Maybe you should look at it....William 20:56, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * And a probable IP sock at User:86.173.202.205. Loud quacking! - BilCat (talk) 22:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Sent to the duck retirement home. MilborneOne (talk) 09:04, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Just the same, now that we know the circumstances (leasing airline, approach, operator, 32 fatalities), surely this article needs to happen. Is the deleted version at all useful?  It would save some work, if so.  In that case, please undelete it to my user space. --Mareklug talk 20:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem see User:Mareklug/2012 Trans Air Congo Ilyushin Il-76 crash. MilborneOne (talk) 20:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, see 2012 Aéro-Service Ilyushin Il-76T crash. You might even be its author. :) --Mareklug talk 21:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have a question. Does a Ilyushin Il-76 qualify for the List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft? These aircraft are used for cargo, but much of the use isn't civilian. Would incidents with these aircraft have to be judged all the same way or individual basis? BTW Markklug, the article looks good....William 01:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * List of accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft/Guideline for inclusion criteria and format would indicate it qualifies. MilborneOne (talk) 12:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Geez, he just won't give up will he? - The Bushranger One ping only 04:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Pinto Martins International Airport
Dear MilborneOne, once again I request your help by semi-protecting the page Pinto Martins International Airport for a couple of weeks. There are some IP numbers that repeatedly insist in giving information referenced by a minor blog and adding FOR as destination of Andes Airlines an Argentinean irregular charter operator. Moreover, they insist in mentioning Sal as destination of Arkefly. Sal is just a technical stop on the AMS/FOR flight with no traffic rights. I have repeatedly undone the changes stating the reason but got no results. For some reason, FOR is the airport in Brazil which gets more problems of that sort. It is not the first time that it needs semi-protection. Thanks! (Brunoptsem (talk) 08:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC))
 * semi for a month MilborneOne (talk) 12:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, mate! (Brunoptsem (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC))

Dispute brewing
See Talk:Mitsuo Fuchida. FWiW FWiW (talk) 20:15, 5 December 2012 (UTC).

William E. Allen
This article looks to be copied almost verbatim from here. Is it a copyright violation and what is to be done if so? This person has just that one source....William 14:44, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It was originally a direct copy when it was first written in 2004, the original source is in the public domain although that doesnt mean we should copy it word for word. The easiest thing is to re-write in our own words which I have done. MilborneOne (talk) 17:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Is he really notable? He was acting director of the BOI for 5 months, and there's nothing recored here that is notable beyond that fact. - BilCat (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point, I just tweaked the article and didnt think about notability. Does being a director of a federal organisation albeit only acting make one notable? I dont know. Could test it with a prod to see if anybody comes out of the woodwork to defend him. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * A PROD sounds good to me. BilCat (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I proded it. Lets see what happens. If the prod is removed, I'm not going to worry about it. Thank you for the help....William 18:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of OpenAirplane
Please reinstate the page OpenAirplane deleted today. Its significance is that it is the first attempt in the United States to fundamentally change the way general aviation aircraft are rented post the 1980s litigation crisis in American aviation. I'll gladly add additional information and references. -Inverted22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inverted22 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ryan or just a vandal
Some new editor created Zest Airways Flight 865. Then after making a second edit, he copied over Garuda Indonesia Flight 200 onto Zest Airways Flight 865. As to finish matters, this editor then vandalized the Garuda article. Zest has been nominated for CSD and though some of this doesn't match Ryan's MO, it was a new editor so I thought I'd mention it to you....William 14:35, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Also- The first Flight 865 article was deleted. Now less than a day later, he recreated the article again. I think something needs to be done about this editor....William 11:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Give Ryan his due he normally creates fully formed articles (albeit with some trademark errors) this appear to be somebody trying to create a new article by copying and changing an older one, but making a bit of a mess with it. MilborneOne (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hist merge
Michael, could you (or an admin lurker) hist merge Swedish Automobile to Spyker N.V.? It was a cut and paste move. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * MilborneOne (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Also, I took your advice, and the issue has been solved. - BilCat (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

AgustaWestland AW139
Applying the sources to the operator section of this article was a monumental and time consuming task, and for you to arbitrarily remove all parts of that make no sense. You started this article, and even stated on a edit summary "just to make it clear that none of the civil operators are listed". Then Military and Government Operators are added, and you let that section ride for five years! After that I come along to add the needed  sources, and you wipe it away like nothing, what's the deal? I've read the Aircraft Operators section and it is very general in terms, Even the opening statement to the WikiProject Aviation says "This is a set of suggested guidelines for articles on specific aircraft types." Regarding the sources  themselves, I'm not sure how a picture and information underneath it, is unreliable. FOX 52 (talk) 20:42, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Generally we dont list every operator of every type particularly civil operators, in the main they have one or two each and are just notable. Perhaps you should raise it on the talk page or at the related project WP:AIRCRAFT to gain some sort of consenses for the AW149 . An image is never a reliable source for most things on wikipedia. MilborneOne (talk) 13:13, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Ryan Kirkpatrick
How do you know the 1942 BOAC Liberator accident and the other corresponding page was created by ryan kirkpatrick. I'll delete, but I'm just not seeing it, although I have basically no experience with him. NativeForeigner Talk 21:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It is to do with editing patterns and trademark mistakes in articles created by Ryan kirkpatrick, happy to wait for the outcome of Sockpuppet investigations/Ryan kirkpatrick if you think we have an element of doubt. MilborneOne (talk) 21:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Apt assessment. After looking at SPI, deleting. NativeForeigner Talk 23:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

World Air Forces
Flightglobal.com recently put out its World Air Forces 2013 issue and I wanted to use it to update some air forces lists. However, it is a PDF and I see no code to use in a ref link. Is there a way to use it or to get a web address to it? WAF site page (America789 (talk) 23:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC))


 * Good question, really an electronic book of sorts, how about:

MilborneOne (talk) 08:42, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I was talking about using the PDF pages themselves in the reference. That code just goes to the flightglobal page with the PDF link on it.  I would need to link to the book itself, and probably go to specific pages in it. (America789 (talk) 15:51, 15 December 2012 (UTC))


 * OK - you dont actually need to add a link to book itself it is still a reliable source (sources dont have to be online) and it is likely that the link will disapear after a while. I would still expect to use the page number in the reference and treat it like any other book. MilborneOne (talk) 17:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Levasseur PL.8
How could I make this the new Levasseur PL. 8 article without a redirect? FWiW (talk) 19:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC).
 * Looks good - do you mean to replace the original PL.8 redirect? MilborneOne (talk) 12:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but right now, starting an article on the Levasseur PL.8, just brings it back to The White Bird. FWiW (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Now the orginal author has changed nearly every mention of L'Oiseau Blanc to the Americanized "The White Bird", so it is probably imperative that a Levasseur PL.8 article be created, at least to preserve the integrity of the name. FWiW FWiW  (talk) 16:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC).
 * Created from your New Article start 1 ! MilborneOne (talk) 17:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

A belated thank you for your help here. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:35, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

See Junkers Ju 87
Silliness erupting. FWiW (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry missed that, it wasnt on my watchlist so I have added it if the user comes back. MilborneOne (talk) 12:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

The Iron Petticoat
Check the article; I saw it on TCM recently and thought, great, another "lost" aviation movie ... and then, I began to realize the painful pairing of Katherine Hepburn and Bob Hope had led to a monumental disaster with Hepburn trying to do Garbo while Hope was mugging away. In the end, the mess was so bad that Hope even disowned the film and arranged to have it locked away for over 40 years until, presumably, all the principals had died, and Turner Classic Movies could make a deal to re-release the porridge. FWiW (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2012 (UTC).
 * More likely if it was shown now that nobody would recognise the F-84 pretending to be a Mig despite the large stick-on soviet stars. MilborneOne (talk) 18:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Morganson691
Michael, User:Morganson691 has been removing content from a variety of articles without explanation, including info that is properly cited. He seems to have a pattern of removing info related to the US. To this point, no one has spoken to him on his talk page apart from warning templates. He does have some constructive edits. Could you look into this matter, and possibly speak to him? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Left them a little this is your last chance note. MilborneOne (talk) 18:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The editor seem be be continuing in the same pattern - see on [Hindawi affair].Nigel Ish (talk) 10:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Blocked from editing MilborneOne (talk) 12:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

AN.1
Evening Milborne: That time of year again. I've just started a new engine article which I carelessly called Fiat A.N.1 but should be Fiat AN.1. I've redirected it for now, but any chance you could rename it properly? Thanks, TSRL (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * MilborneOne (talk) 23:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ta, again!TSRL (talk) 23:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Is it Ryan?
An editor called Londonskys created Aeroflot Flight 191, LANSA Flight 501, and Britannia Airways Flight 105. All of them today, December 21st. The editor came out of nowhere, but a cursory glance shows none of Ryan's typos and this editor also added the accidents to the yearly templates. Which Ryan doesn't normally do. I think you should look these over....William 14:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * "It was at 00:47am on 1 September 1966 as the flight was on approach to land on runway 31.". Hmm. I think there's not enough quacking to bag and tag, but there's enough here to ping SPI about it based on the pattern... - The Bushranger One ping only 14:50, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I opened another sockpuppet investigation and asked that a check user be done. Still somebody might want to clean up my work if it is need of it. Happy Holidays....William 15:24, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Well spotted William, sorry I missed the fun I had a non-wiki day on Friday due to real life stuff. MilborneOne (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Christmas


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Happy Holidays!


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Season's tidings!
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:59, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

LANSA Flight 501
I'm asking for some advice on this article. It was one created by Ryan K's most recent sock, then deleted, but recreated by another user. ASN has a long probable cause for the crash but its not quoted in the article. Is it all right for me to lift the lengthy cause from ASN and put it word for word in the article? FWIW, it looks like ASN is quoting an accident. So shouldn't it be all right for me to quote it too via ASN? Let me know....William 21:49, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Also note, the investigation section at Austrian Airlines Flight 901 is also from ASN where it was totally in quotes. An editor put a copyvio notice on it....William 11:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I suspect that asn have copied it directly from the accident report, what we dont know is the copyright status of the original report. Sometimes it is appropriate to add finding as a direct quote if it is not to long, but I think this one might be stretching fair use a bit. It might be safer to re-write the findings in your own words, although anything important can be directly quoted. This is probably true of the Austrian article as well. Amusing thing is that it is not asn's text to copyright! MilborneOne (talk) 13:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

American Flyers Flight 280 et.al
It's good to remove a copyvio, but I think that your efforts might be a bit too shallow. The offending bits need removing or completely re-writing not just change a few words.--Petebutt (talk) 08:24, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I did make a good faith edit to remove the direct copy of the source, the second bit from ASN is still OK as a direct quote as it is only a sentence. I have further tweaked the lead bit. MilborneOne (talk) 13:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Zeppelins copyvio
Hi, I've replied to your post on Talk:List of Zeppelins, further thoughts? I'm stepping throught the article doing dull stuff like adding references & converting units, so any copyediting required is no problem.TheLongTone (talk) 12:20, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Category:People from the Westlake, Texas
Could you please delete this category? I made a mistake when creating a category this morning. Thank you....William 14:11, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

MilborneOne (talk) 14:14, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

The White Bird/L'Oiseau Blanc conundrum
It appears the [move] discussion is becoming tangential and requires some resolution; how does an admin proceed to close the loop? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You will need to find an admin who hasnt taken part in the debate! so I cant close, I think The Bushranger has commented as well so he cant either. But with more support for a move then oppose it shouldnt be difficult to find somebody to close it. I see User:Mjroots is active at the moment or somebody from the mil project. MilborneOne (talk) 17:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Blogs and photographs (Bell 412)
blogs I know are unreliable sources, but the using Airliners.net as a source dose meets WP:RS guidelines as the information and images have editorial oversight acceptance/rejection policy. Please keep in mind that the "images" come with aircraft type, registration number, and operator which are confirmed. As a failsafe I will only use database pictures that can be visually verified (ei; Miami-Dade Fire Dept.  -  L.A. City Fire Department  ).← Those aren't Bell 412 helicopters, with their respective fire dept. names inscribed on the fuselage? kind regards FOX 52 (talk) 03:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * You clearly have a different interpretation about reliable sources, I have raised it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft for some opinions/help on the matter, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 11:31, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Swiss Air force
Why do you allways deelet the Imatriculations out of this Page ? Have a look at the german wikipedia or at the list of the swiss air Force. http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/dokumentation/assets/aircraft.parsys.79030.downloadList.69291.DownloadFile.tmp/milkennungen.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.1.75.33 (talk) 16:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Because it is not normal practice on english wikipedia to list serial numbers or registrations of aircraft unless the aircraft is significant. Please see WikiProject Aviation/Registrations. MilborneOne (talk) 16:05, 30 December 2012 (UTC)