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Day of the Dead (1985) World Premier June 30th, 1985
Hello,

I was wondering why you felt it was necessary to delete my contribution to the Day of the Dead (1985) listing? Was there something you didn't agree with, or perhaps I didn't format it correctly? I feel that the information I provided is very important to the history of the film and that it sheds new light on the fact that Day of the Dead actually had a world premier days earlier then any known record of release. I am not, in any way, someone who haphazardly contributes to wikipedia. I hope to get a response from you concerning this as I am confused. In the meantime, here is a link to the World Premier ticket (front and back) I received in 1985 for Day of the Dead, which was held by United Film Distribution Company (the distributor who released George Romero's film).

Thank you David Brudie (talk) 17:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

http://memorabilia.homepageofthedead.com/?id=271


 * Heya . I didn't actually realize you had just edited the article when I removed the Trivia section. Per WP:TRIVIA we generally try to avoid Trivia sections in articles and I found that one while reading. The preferred method of dealing with info that finds its way into Trivia sections is to rework the text with reliable sources and put it into a section of the article that fits.  If we can find a good source for the text you had, I'd say it would most likely fit into a release section (you can read about that and other film article conventions at MOS:FILM).  I don't play with that end of articles in detail very often but that may actually change the release date we have on the article according to the usage instructions we have for release dates in the infobox. The trick though is that we have to have the reliable sources to do it. I did notice while double checking my edit just now that your text had some mild writing problems but nothing you wrote was unclear so it would be easy to polish up once the sourcing issue is handled. That very much is my area of expertise and if we can find a source that you can use to cover this earlier release, I'd be happy to help with that.


 * All of that said, I'm hella geeking out on your ticket now. I was still just a hair too young to go see that one in the theatres so I'm super jealous. May not be the best zombie film ever made but I've always enjoyed it. Millahnna (talk) 15:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello again @Millahnna

First of all, thank you so much for responding to me and taking an interest. I can tell that, like me, you are a film lover. I have and continue to be very active in the film world, wherever I can be, it's a lifetime passion. So it will be mostly on that level that I am writing to you. Although I have kept the ticket for Day of the Dead all these years I had never fully realized its significance until last week when I was researching release dates for Day of the Dead, for an article I was writing. As I looked through various web sites I could find no information predating July 3rd, 1985 (which was a limited engagement) for the films release in the United States. It seemed very odd because I didn't recall the world premiere I attended in New York taking place so close to 4th of July. I looked at my ticket and saw the date, June 30th, and was pretty surprised as I always assumed the premiere was known by all to be its first showing. Apparently this is not the case.

To be brief, the ticket was given to me at a promotional event at a mall in Long Island in 1985. It was sponsored by a rather popular radio station there called WBAB. As a regular listener, I heard ads telling listeners to be at a certain mall in the area on a certain date to get the ticket for free. When I showed up I actually asked for two of them, one to share with a friend, which never came to happen. I'm glad I did get to keep one because the ticket I used that night was taken at the door. So this keepsake is rare by my estimation.

If I'm reading your reply correctly you state a few times about the importance of 'sources' to validate this showing. Here is where I am at researching that. The theater, the UA HICKSVILLE (which was located on Marie Street, in Hicksville New York) was demolished in 2003. They have no website that still exists through United Artists theaters. There is however a forum based repository of listings for defunct theaters, which I believe was started by Roger Ebert. Unfortunately, there are only 21 comments on that theaters listing and none of them mention the Day of the Dead premiere. I contacted the station manager for the WBAB radio station that gave the tickets out, this morning via email, after searching their website for archival information on past promotions and such, but they do not have anything dating back prior to just a few years ago. After all this time, 32 years, I'm hoping some station record still exists that can be used as reliable source evidence. I also attempted to locate and contact United Film Distribution Company, which was headquartered in Great Neck New York, in 1985 (not far from the Hicksville theater where the world premiere took place), but they are long gone and no longer operate, apparently. So that's where it stands in terms of sources. I do not know who to contact next. The ticket exists, and was made by UFDC, and I was there.

Not sure how to proceed based on all the very helpful suggestions you gave me, however. I have never contributed to Wikipedia before, and frankly am lost at using the editor feature. I do not understand it. The programming language of it, at all. To be honest, just writing to you here is a bit of a learning experience. That's why I left my release contribution in the trivia box. It was easiest, and I didn't want to take the chance of messing up someone's obviously meticulous work within the release section of the listing itself. I really feel that this information needs to be known and that fans would love to here about it, so I'd like to ask if you would be willing to help me. To my knowledge Wikipedia would be the first major listing of 'accurate' release information about Day of the Dead in the world. I think it's important, for many of the reasons. Any assistance you can give me in accomplishing this would be very much appreciated. Even if you could just direct me to someone who would have the time and knowledge to help, if you cannot.

I know the link I gave you to images of the ticket in my first message were rather poor quality (I uploaded them to Home Page of the Dead many years ago), so here are links to new one's I just did. I watermarked them to prevent anyone publicly using these higher resolution scans to duplicate it. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I look forward to your response.

http://s92.photobucket.com/user/knucklemug/media/DOTD%20Ticked%20Back-WM.jpg.html

http://s92.photobucket.com/user/knucklemug/media/DOTD%20Ticked%20Front-WM.jpg.html

David Brudie (talk) 17:45, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I understand how you feel about learning the editor and such; I have a decent level of tech saavy but I tend to lose track of what wiki markup I learn unless I use it regularly. And since I mostly focus on writing related edits (a stray comma here, some awkward grammar there), I end up poking at plot summaries more than anything and don't use a lot of markup for the stuff I do. So I may not, in some respects, be the best person to ask these types of questions. But I can usually figure out who to ask so there's that.


 * With that thought in mind, I'm thinking about copying our entire conversation (or at least the pertinent bits like the research you've done so far) to the article's talk page and maybe dropping a note about it at the film project talk page; the problem of sourcing obscure details from older films (early 90s and prior) has come up before and some folks there may have access to sources we don't or have an idea of how to go about researching something like this. I'm kind of wondering if this isn't going to be a case of microfiche at the library; old newspaper articles might have something. Millahnna (talk) 18:10, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Millahnna

Thanks for responding so quickly. I did some more researching today. Tried to find the head person behind United Film Distribution Company and found out it is Stanley Dudelson. Unfortunately Mr. Dudelson passed away in 2008. Went to the Daily News archives but they only go back to 2007, and I could find no contact information for the archive section. I then looked up Newsday (a Long Island Newspaper) however, their archive search function produced no relevant material, they also state boldly on their contact page that they will not help with archived searches. If you would like to post these pieces of conversation we've had that would be great, maybe someone has an idea what to do because I'm stumped. It's sad that I have this great memory of the Premiere, a cool piece of memorabilia, but no way of substantiating any of it. I REALLY appreciate all the help you have given, maybe someday something will pop up and put me back on the path of finding a source, but I think it's unlikely. Which is a shame.

David Brudie (talk) 23:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Heya. I copied our conversation over to the talk page of the film article.  We've gotten one response so far from an editor whom I frequently seek out for more complex edits than are my norm.  She's great.  Other replies may be slow to come in; I know there's not a lot of active editors on that page so it may take a bit to hear back from people. But you should go to the page and take a look.  Hopefully we'll get some good input to help with moving forward. Millahnna (talk) 23:11, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, and I really hope so. Betty's response was a little over my head in terms of some of the technical and policy references, but it was great to hear she supported the insertion of this information. I guess we'll see how others feel. David Brudie (talk) 02:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Millahnna

Would this be considered a credible source?

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/226646/horror-history-day-dead-fan-corrects-official-premiere-date/

David Brudie (talk) 23:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Pseudoscience (was Talk:Of Pandas and People)
I can answer at least _a_ rationale re the 'fringe' nature of 'pseudoscience' label for ID. Fringe as in uncommon, and/or extremist.

As far as ID and starting off the bat with "pseudoscience"... This point has come up before in the ID article, a lot of times. By far the more prominent and majority of sources (other than proponents) use "creationism", not "pseudoscience". The Kitzmiller decision, or NCSE (Barbara Forrest) who started calling it "IDC" as a practice ... and general philosophy works describing branches of creationism for example.

"Pseudoscience" seems mostly a WP enthusiasm that came in a few years ago, it got put into the ID article in a 15 April 2014 edit here. For the first 13 years of the article not so much. The word seems a vague pejorative language which may be a reason for learned or legal folks not using it formally, but also it does resonate in the ID case or at least more than one or another WP try at using it.

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Hi, you participated in a discussion adding a mention of views of pejorativeness to the lead of the term.

Since the group of new editors has defended the stance of complete removal, I thought of changing it to something like ""Some controversy around the term exists". What do you think? Mr. Magoo (talk) 03:49, 19 August 2017 (UTC)


 * As a generality that sounds reasonable but context is usually everything around here. Can you point me to some specifics (either the penis conversation or the newer one you are referring to) so I can get a better sense of the full question? I'm on mobile right now which limits my ability to participate but I'll be back in front of my desktop rig in a bit. Millahnna (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Lol sorry. Was on my phone and my auto correct hates me... THe specific conversation is what I meant.  Back on desktop now so all typos will be my own at least. Millahnna (talk) 05:27, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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