User talk:Miller17CU94/Archive 1

Archive information from May 28 to October 25, 2006.

Olympics Winter Nordic event
Please refain from tying to partially split out the 1964 and earlier Nordic skiing articles. With the possible exception of the 1964 article they are not large enough to warrent such splits. Only from 1968 are they treated in their 3 parts. This is this way by design thanks. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  14:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I can see that line of thinking, except that for a large number of articles you would only have one event or very few events per article, making for a very small article and (particularly early on) the events were considered very much as part of "nordic" skiing. If we do go to seperate and divide out the articles then I think we need to do this in measured and controlled change over. I,e, work back from 1964 first providing all 3 replacement articles. Changing the "nordic skiing" article to a "list style" as with 1968 and beyond. The all the associated navigation templates need to be adjusted as well. May be a few other things I havn't thought about too. The attude across "wiki" has largely been to go for consistency but also to keep to large articles rather then pure stub like "note like" entries. No sense of scale and to much darting about. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  19:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You would be clearly imposing a "modern" division on the "nordic" events which wouldn't really be justified historically and we would still have the problem of "very" small articles. If we went this route it should only be brought in gradually year by year, starting at 1964. And no the "nordic skiing" articles should not be dropped but integrated in a "group" or "list type articles to bring the events together as they are considered traditionally. For instance there are fans of "nordic skiing" who take little interest in Alpine. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  07:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'm convinced enough to go with it. Lets get 1964 sorted first across all three then see how that goes first. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  12:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ski jumping lengths & reference listings
I may be missing something here but how would applying this informatinon to these pages risk revealing a private email address. You are not about to place that in wikipedia are you. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  12:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * still not sure I really understand the problem. I would simply put on the corrections and if you need to reference the changes (to give the information credence) simply, indicate the it is "from Official sources at the FIS". Also you might like to get back to the official with your thanks and raise the issue of the differences between what your have been told and the official website version. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  13:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You might like to see how I have altered the referencing on Nordic skiing at the 1924 Winter Olympics to be foot notes. More approriate for the type of reference I think. :: Kevinalewis  :  (Talk Page) / (Desk)  14:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Kongsberger.jpg
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Your article, Alevtina Kolchina, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  + +Lar: t/c 17:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Georgia_International_Horse_Park
Please take a look at the referenced talk page. That article appears to be comprised of apparently copyrighted text taken from an external site, as I commented some days ago. I'd appreciate it if you would consider addressing the issue, as the article may end up being flagged and deleted. There are a number of ways to address it: Seek permission from the original source to have their text licensed under GFDL, or rewrite the article in your own words being two of the best.  + +Lar: t/c 12:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I got your remark on this and I have just recently corrected it if you wish to have a look. Chris 13:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * (refactored from my talk to yours to keep thread together, I watch talk pages when I start conversations there, feel free to reply here if you need to) OK thanks for attending to this, much appreciated. You may want to comment on the talk page of the article in reply to my comment that it's now sorted.  + +Lar: t/c 13:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

IW
Hi, thanks for creating articles, but please remember to not include interwiki links that don't work. See for instance Sverre Brodahl. Thanks, Punkmorten 20:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

*Thanks. I will bear that in mind in the future. Chris 20:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Help
Thanks for your response. Let me know if I can help you further. I may need some too.

Michael Gruber (Nordic Combined)
Hi, you recently made changes to the Michael Gruber (Nordic Combined) page. However, you removed one of his Olympic medals from the medals box even though both sites I've now listed as references show he did win a bronze in 2002. You also capitalized many words which shouldn't have been capitalized. Medal names - bronze, silver, gold - when used in a sentence should not be capitalized. Please let me know if you have any questions. Sue Anne 03:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Since the "official" Olympic site has Michael Gruber as winning both the medals in 2002 and 2006, I would take that one as correct and the wikipedia page on the 2002 Winter Olympics as incorrect. Sue Anne 22:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Rollback on Matti Nykänen
I rolled back your edit on the page for Matti Nykänen. There's a stronger consensus on the Medal Top template talk page to sort by year to show progression instead of sorting by medal color. Especially since there isn't a really large consensus either way, only making an edit on a page to resort the medals shouldn't be done. Let me know if you have any questions. Sue Anne 03:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I would agree with you on the sorting of the medals table. However, the group consensus is definitely split with some very strong opinions that it should be sorted by year instead of medal color. That's why there are some athletes with it one way and other athletes with it another. We decided as a group that we wouldn't change any to one sorting method or another until a consensus was reached. Since that was the only thing you changed on page, I rolled back your change on Matti Nykanen. Sue Anne 22:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Kriesel
Hello,

I just wanted to check that you are sure the "Kriesel" is the correct spelling. The German word for circle is Kreisel and several websites indicate that this is also the spelling for the bobsled turn :

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/winter02/bobsled/feature?id=1302263 http://www.israelibobsled.com/media/pages/ross.html

Regards,

Travelbird 19:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Andreas Widhölzl
Some problems with your edits to this page: a) Again, you're capitalizing words that shouldn't be capitalized. Please see Manual of Style (capital letters). b) Even if there is only one link, most people automatically put the header as "External links" in order for the section to remain consistent on all pages. c) Do not remove stub tags on pages that are still stubs. The stub is defined by the length of the main article, which in this case is only sentence. A list of results and a medals table don't add much to the actual prose and the page should remain a stub.

Sue Anne 22:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Julija Tchepalova.jpg listed for deletion
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 * Deleteion requestedChris 14:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:Birger Ruud.jpg listed for deletion
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 * Deletion requestedChris 14:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Anders Haugen.jpg
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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Stefania Belmondo.jpg
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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:V-style.jpg
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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Kongsberger.jpg
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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Hackl.jpg
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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Connie LeGrand.jpg
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Deletion requested.Chris 14:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Ronny Ackermann.jpg
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 * Deletion requested. Chris 14:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Christoph Gruber
I reformated the AfD page since it was not set up correctly. Did you originally create the Christoper Gruber page? If so you could add the tag to the Christoph Gruber article which would list it for speedy deletion as an author request. For future reference, that is the best way to deal with articles you created that you now want deleted. Cheers!--Isotope23 14:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I did and I will do as well. Chris 14:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Images
Hey Chris,

So, the basic rule of thumb that I tend to follow is to assume that any image you find on the net probably has some sort of copyright issue and then to try and find those that are the exception. For current or recent American Olympians, the best place to look is the USOC pages. The pictures that are clearly "press shots", like Image:Marion_Jones.jpg, can be tagged with the promo photo fair use justification and be used on that person's wiki page. Some of the other Olympic committees have also released similar press shots that can be used in the same way.

Again, specifically for Olympic photos, assume anything you find on the IOC site is protected by some level of copyright. The IOC are very stringent on protecting their copyright, so I wouldn't even try to use a fair use justification.

Sometimes, people load things up to Wikipedia Commons without loading them on to the English version of Wikipedia and you might find some things there. You can also look up on Flikr and see if there is anything in the creative commons section for Olympics. You have to be a little careful with flikr images, because you'll often get people that are claiming that they are their own photos when they're clearly not. Again, assume that it's a copyright and find the proof that it's not a copyright.

Let me know if you have any questions. The images policy is really tricky, but just like with everything else, we are are trying to build a free encyclopedia and not get ourselves into any messy copyright situations. :)

Sue Anne 17:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

User Star Trek series userbox
I know that you are against the deleteion of the series Star Trek userboxes, but may I show you, but adding the new userbox to your userpage, that you will not lose anything by using the new userbox over the old one? &#151;Lady Aleena talk / contribs 07:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to change your keep votes on both the Star Trek and Monty Python discussions to delete votes? - LA @ 06:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Airplane! Userboxes
--Nehrams2020 17:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC) I don't know entirely for sure how to merge the two together, but if you would send me an example of a merged userbox for the two ones we created, then I would probably say that it would be alright. If you know how to do it, go ahead and do so. Let me know what the finished one looks like. If it still needs to be changed again, then I'll leave you another message. Thanks for the help. --Nehrams2020 18:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks good to me, but can you make the size smaller so that it is similar to other sizes of other userboxes. Other than that, it looks fine. Please tell me the final name of the userbox so I can put it on my page. Thanks again. --Nehrams2020 17:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

db-author
If you want to delete anything that you created - such as a userbox, template, article, etc. - you can simply tag the page with db-author Hbdragon88 18:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization
Please review WP:MOS especially the sections related to capitalization.

For example, "Olympic Champions in Men's ski jumping Team Large Hill" should be "Olympic champions in men's ski jumping team large hill".

Sue Anne 22:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Capitalization is adjusted to template mentioned in message. Chris 11:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * And, what about the other templates that you've created? Have you adjusted the capitalization in those? Sue Anne 17:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * All of the templates I created (And some I did not) have been adjusted. I looked at the MOS Capitalization on the rules regarding the capitalization, and I have a question. If someone is a World Champion of something like Formula 1, would you put it at "Formula 1 World Champion" or "Formula 1 world champion?" We may be in a gray area on this that may require further discussion, including the Olympic champions in specific sports and specific events. All of the official Olympic events I have seen from official reports [www.aafla.org (Amateur Athletic Foundation of Los Angeles, CA)] has the listings of the first letter of the sport capitalized (Athletics as an example) and the events of a specific distance are shown as "Men's 100m" instead of "men's 100m." The same thing would occur with Sailing (formerly Yachting) and their classes, like Tornado (catamaran). Would the event be classified as "Tornado" or "tornado"? Your thoughts on this? Chris 11:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There is going to be a big difference between Wikipedia and some of the official reports. Many of those use the style of capitalization Where Nearly Every Word Starts With A Capital Letter. Wikipedia uses a more journalistic approach. For the examples you gave, I would use "Formula 1 world champion". If the word men's was not the start of a header, it would definitely be lowercase. In medals boxes on the athelete's pages, if it says Men's Athletics, I would change that to Men's athletics. (Also, 100m should be written as 100 m.) I'm still trying to figure out some of the sailing events and whether or not Tornado is a proper noun or just a regular noun like "high jump". Sue Anne 17:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ignore that vandalism...
Wiki staff (even Jimbo) would never ask for your password. Syrthiss 13:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for blocking this vandalism. Chris 15:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Interlanguage links
Hi! On a few of your cross-country skier articles, I have had to remove several interlanguage links to non-existing pages (e.g. Jari Isometsä). Please check that they actually exist before you include them in your articles. And: Thank you very much for merging the Dybendal Hartz articles! Best regards --Guaca 20:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Tore Ruud Hofstad
hi I have started an article on Tore Ruud Hofstad or is it Tor Ruud Hofstad?. please check and add data i know you know more of him than me. keep up the good ski work James Janderson 20:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi remember me? It is great to see you are generating new skier articles! They look great but rememebr to create a redirect in english (remove all foreign characters) and redirect to the scandinavian one. Its useful for people wanting to find that person who don't have nordic lettering on their keyboard. all the best James Janderson 21:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

absolutely cool. You seem a very capable person who would have done this anyway. see ya I'm logging off James Janderson 21:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:MedalWorldChampionships
Note: Transferred from User:David D. post.

Just wanted to let you know that I set this template up to be neutral in the medal sport. If you want to put this in for a specific sport, you can use Template:MedalSport and for the championships and you can use the medal with the respective championship to link to that event. We need to keep this as sport neutral as possible in order to ensure full usage among all sports (athletics, swimming, sailing], [[nordic skiing, luge among many). I will change this template back as such. Chris 18:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh i see i had not thought about it that way (not seeing big picture here). Sorry for messing it up for you. i should have checked to see which pages were using it. Thanks for being polite. :) David D. (Talk) 18:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologize for not responding to you sooner, but there is no need for you to apologize. I was trying to make certain that everyone would be able to use this without having to create their own little template for each championship which would put unecessary work on everyone. I look forward to working with you again in the future if possible. Chris 22:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Manuela Drescher
Why is this article about Petra Sölter? Please check if you cut and pasted a bit hastily. Anyway, you are welcome to list articles like these at Portal:Germany/New article announcements. Thank you, and happy editing, Kusma (討論) 14:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

1984 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships
I was wondering why you didn't make a separate article for these 1984 events. I looked at the other wikis, and Finnish Wikipedia has a separate article for 1984 whereas the rest (German, French, Italian and Norwegian) seem to ignore the year. Were the 1984 connected to the 1985 Champs some way? Also, thanks for your numerous articles on nordic skiing. Prolog 12:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: Comments transferred from User:Prolog.

''The primary reason I did not put the 1984 championships as a sepearte event was to avoid any confusion with the 1984 Winter Olympics. It was about the time the FIS had changed their format from the odd years in between the Winter Olympics. I have included the team events in both ski jumping and nordic combined in the 1985 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships with details mentioned of both events. Chris 12:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)''


 * OK, I figured you had a good reason and that sounds like one. I noticed the events on the 1985 article, but was at first a bit confused as I was looking for 1984 on the template "Nordic skiing World Championships". But I guess it doesn't need a separate listing there. Prolog 12:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Holmenkollen ski jump
Note: Transferred from User:Egil post.

I saw what you did regarding the Holmenkollen and the Holmenkollen ski jump and I like what you did. I do have a problem though with what was done and that is would it not make more sense to have the ski jump as part of the Holmenkollen ski festival? My reasoning behind this is that the jump is the centerpiece of the festival though you also have to include the compeitions such as the cross country skiing, ski jumping, nordic combined, and biathlon. I am in the process of overhauling the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships and was planning on returning to the Holmenkollen article to include the biathlon winners and to put in more information on the ski jump as part of the 2011 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships. This article has the potential of reaching "Good Article" status, but it needs some more information to justify this. Would it make more sense to change this article's name to the Holmenkollen ski festival with the ski jump? Look at some of the winners and medalists that now have to be overhauled. You are talking legends like Thomas Wassberg, Thorleif Haug, Stefania Belmondo, Julija Tchepalova, Lauritz Bergendahl among others. Chris 12:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem with that - my main thing was to seperate the geographical area in Oslo called Holmenkollen from the ski arena and ski jump. I've tried to make distinctive wikilinks for Holmenkollen ski jump, Holmenkollen ski festival, Holmenkollen medal etc so they can be redirected and rearranged without having to go through lots of articles. -- Egil 14:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
...for fixing Hurricane Ivan in September 24, but mostly for for commenting your edit. -- Jim Douglas 02:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Stanislaw Marusaz merged
Great, good job! Regards --Man pl 19:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

First Baptist Church of Conyers
Hi, you're welcome! re my gnomish edits on one of your articles recently awarded DYK. In this case it was through the DYK section on the homepage that I noticed the article in the first place. I see that you have an article about a church, presumably the congregation you belong to, which states that this is a "large" church. Would it be better Wikipedian content to state something more quantified e.g. regular attendance exceeds x hundred adults? Fayenatic london 11:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing the Dean information. I wasn't sure how to verify it.

Liastnir 13:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

DYK

 * 6-6, I got Martyrs' Cemetery today ;) Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 20:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the DYK on Samuel Cate Prescott. I really appreciated it. Chris 12:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, Chris. No need to thank me. We should all thank you for doing a good job with the article. Happy editing. --PFHLai 13:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Chris, you've certainly done the harder and more important part in improving Wikipedia, compared to my simple copying-&-pasting job at the DYK section on MainPage. We need more contributers like you. Thank you. -- PFHLai 14:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure. Congratulations. Biruitorul 17:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)