User talk:Miller17CU94/Archive 3

Archived talk information from October 28, 2006 to January 11, 2007.

Re Samuel Cate Prescott
Hi Chris, Thanks for your message:
 * ''The reason that I have so many footnotes in the articles ... is to avoid another editor from posting the citation requirement on this...

If it's one particular editor who you know would otherwise apply them, then understood, with sympathy and hope that they soon move elsewhere. Otherwise I reckon most folk would say they're not needed. I guess, though, that the situation is, unfortunately, the former... Thanks nonetheless for your work! Yours, David Kernow (talk) 20:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My opinion: there's no such thing as too many citations.  --Coppertwig 02:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

User:209.7.171.19 indefinitely block (restored message)
I am requesting that User:209.7.171.19 be blocked indefinitely. He has completely savaged the Charles S. Lawrence article in such a way that I am not happy about this. Also, could you please have this reverted back to User:MisfitToys from earlier today if you are an administrator? I would greatly appreciate it. Chris 21:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * User needs to be warned first; if continues vandalism after warnings, report to WP:AIV. You can also go to an admin (e.g., User:JoshuaZ), but I advise taking these steps first. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 21:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know

 * You're quite welcome! Biruitorul 19:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Did You Know?

 * Two points: what was his wife's maiden name? It's spelled in two different ways. And why was her death "tragic"? Sure, every death is a tragedy, but that word is typically used for people who die young, or in an accident, or violently, etc. Biruitorul 20:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thank you. Biruitorul 20:39, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thermal death time
Don't thank me for the DYK for Thermal death time. I only knew of the page and edited it after I saw it on the front page. :) Xiner 14:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok. Cheers. Xiner 15:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome; keep up the good work! Biruitorul 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for the review
I am glad it was just a matter of "research" and not "burning"! I guess these topics are fairly new through internet, and must be hard to find sources. Note that you can (in fact, you should!) use references to book as well, through the cite book template (in case you did not know ;-)). It is as valid as an internet reference, usually faster to work with for the editor, and is usually considered a reliable source (between having to reference a section with an entry of a published book or a similar explanation found in a Geocities page, I guess there is no doubt which is better). Good luck! -- ReyBrujo 19:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Award
Thank you very much. I am surprised and pleased. Wishing you well. Hmains 03:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Food Sci
Sure, I interested in helping in whatever way I can. Are you interested in collaborating on any particular articles? ike9898 18:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Foods is for articles about specific foods. Food science is not something you eat! :-) Category:Food and drink is the parent category for more general articles, and Category:Food science is a subcategory of that.  If you want to argue that "food science" is a subcategory of agriculture, then you should put the entire Category:Food science in Category:Agriculture, not just its main article.  Make sense?  Dr.frog 22:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

link to British
Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom, Great Britain or British English by writing out British or British. Regards, Jeff3000 01:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Oops re fatty acids
You had said: Thanks for putting Essential fatty acids in the Branches of Food chemistry template. My only concern is that you can consider fatty acids as part of lipids. Think about that. Chris 14:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, I guess I didn't notice that lipids were already there! Well, you can revert it if you like.  I think I'll just leave it. I've been putting links among a bunch of nutrition pages to help people find things easily.  I appreciate the diplomatic wording of your message!  --Coppertwig 02:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your link from the food chemistry article is fine. I've also put two links from the lipids article to Essential fatty acid (one from the first paragraph and one in See Also), as well as a See Also link to Fatty acid.  This way, if someone clicks "lipids" in the Food chemistry template they can get to Essential fatty acid.
 * Here are my plans re nutrition articles; please discuss if you're interested.  It would be great if some of our goals are similar and we can work together!  Of course the main goal is good information on nutrition and I'm willing to compromise on some of the details.
 * Put links among related articles, and redirects, so people can find what they're looking for and so people won't write articles about topics that already have articles.
 * Consider merging content on some pages that talk about the same subject.
 * Create a subcategory "vitamins" and a subcategory "dietary minerals" and put the page for each nutrient into the category; also make sure the page for each individual nutrient links to "Essential nutrient" and to "Vitamin" if it's a vitamin, etc.
 * (OK, there's already a category "Vitamins". Maybe it's just a matter of making sure each vitamin page is included in the category. Also maybe making "vitamins" a subcategory of "Nutrition" rather than a full category, so people looking at can find them!! Haven't looked at minerals yet.
 * Make two tables of essential nutrients: one with estimates (with citations) of minimum, typical, optimum, therapeutic and toxic daily quantities of each nutrient (see beginnings of a draft in User:Coppertwig/Sandbox2 (preferably more than one estimate from more than one author in each category) another table with symptoms of deficiency and symptoms of overdose, moving content from other pages for this as well as finding content in books
 * Looking at nutrition pages in other languages; making sure there are interlanguage links, and that the nutrition pages within each language are well linked to each other;  seeing if there is interesting content to translate.  (I already translated Essential nutrient into French, but probably wouldn't have if I'd noticed how many nutrition pages there were in each language already -- that's how I knew there needed to be more links.) (Within my ability in each language.  I don't think I'll even look at languages like Chinese that are not written in Latin letters;  however, for example, I'm planning to edit the Hrvatski version of Essential Nutrient and insert chemical symbols for missing minerals, even though I don't know any Hrvatski at all except what I've learned by looking at its Essential nutrient page and signing up as a Slednik (user) :-)
 * What?! Did you have time to read all that before replying? that was fast.  Anyway:  There is also a category "dietary minerals" already.  It needs a page for each mineral to be included in it, and I think it should also be made a subcategory of Nutrition.  No -- wait!!!  Vitamins and Dietary Minerals should be subcategories of Essential Nutrients, which should be a subcategory of Nutrition.  I think.  The category Essential Nutrients already exists and has Vitamins and Dietary Minerals as subcategories!  Maybe all that is needed is to make Essential Nutrients a subcategory of Nutrition.  I'm not familiar yet with how the subcategory system works on Wikipedia.  I wonder if Vitamns and Dietary Minerals can be both direct subcategories of Nutrition and also sub-sub categories via Essential Nutrients;  I would prefer that. --Coppertwig 14:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Further ideas: For each dietary mineral, e.g. zinc, I woujld like to have a separate page for zinc as a physical element "Zinc" and a separate page for zinc as a nutrient "Zinc (nutrient)". The nutrient pages might all have a similar format;  in any case, they would be included in the "dietary minerals" category.  Currently, if you start from the Essential nutrient page and click on a mineral, you have to scroll down and search around to find nutritional information;  this is not convenient if you want nutritional information on several minerals. Looking forward to working with you!! --Coppertwig 14:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Winter Olympic articles
Hi Chris, just replying to your message on my talk page. Good to see that those articles are a lot more complete than some of the other sports! There is still a lot of work to go, though. Eventually, all the main articles (like Cross-country skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics, to pick one at random) ought to have a medal summary table on the main page, and a medal count, with links to individual event pages with complete results for that event. It would also make use of the standard FlagIOCxxx templates to display the flags and generate wikilinks to the appropriate "Nation at the xxxx Olympics" page. See Canoeing at the 2004 Summer Olympics for an example of what I mean. Right now, that 1998 article is somewhere in between, with top 8 (only) results for some events, top 3 for others, and the page isn't formatted the standard way. It's certainly better than nothing, though!! Cheers, Andrwsc 03:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Did You Know?

 * Hey, congrats on the DYK articles! You are doing great work! I am glad I was able to contribute in some small way. Respectfully, Kukini 15:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Congratulations! Biruitorul 15:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

DYK Medal
The DYK Medal
 * You really deserve it. Great contributions. Have a great day and a happy Thanksgiving! :) ↔ A NAS ''' - Talk   15:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)</small

1980 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships
Hello Chris I didn't realize I should have started a dialogue with an author before correcting anything. In that case I'm sorry, but if you are interested in achiving correct information on these pages I hope you will talk further with me. Concerning 20 km in 1980 and Ski jumping in 1993, what kind of evidence do yopu want? You can ask any ski historian. I'm not inventing any of this. Hope to hear from youStavol2 21:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a link: http://sports123.com/cco/ww-20.html Please feel free to ask me anything if you have any doubts whether I know what I'm talking aboutStavol2 22:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Championnats_du_monde_de_ski_nordique_1980 (No mentioning of the venue, though)Stavol2 22:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

http://www.scmotorzella-mehlis.de/chronik/wm.htm Stavol2 22:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

http://www.skidor.com/t2.asp?p=33333 Stavol2 22:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC) http://www.eurosport.de/home/pages/v4/l1/s193/sport_lng1_spo193_sto685578.shtml Stavol2 22:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope you are convinced, and that my work was not all in vain. Please bear with me, I just want to help.Stavol2 22:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

1993 FIS Nordic World Ski Championships
Where is your evidence on the Czech Republic and Slovakia competing as a combined team? Please verify this ASAP oor I will revert this back to the previous edit. Chris 20:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Martin Svagerko is a slovak and competed together with 3 czechs in this event. http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/604/610.html?sector=JP&raceid=1290 Stavol2 21:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC) http://www.skijump-db.net/FIS_WM/1993.htm Stavol2 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Also 1993: I see that you have given Smirnov a gold in the pursuit event. He was clocked in at the same time as Dæhlie, but Dæhlie was declared the winner by photo finish. Evidence? You can look anywhere.Stavol2 22:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Yugoslavia 1 gold, 2 medals? I realize I was a bit bold editing the medals table, but there are several errors. Do you want me to help you?Stavol2 23:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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FIS Nordic World Ski Championships
Chris. Apology accepted. I also have to take some blame because I edited without a "green light". I should have understood that anyone cannot edit anything in anyway without it being logged. Now, my primary question is: how do we communicate? I'm not quite sure how it works on this site. In order for you to see that I sent you a message, do I have to edit your talk page? Or is there some other way? You could write me a mail if you want to steluta@online.no and tell me your E-mail address? What do you think? Best regardsStavol2 14:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I received your reply. Concerning the editing of facts on this subject, shall I simply do it with a remark of what I did, or shall I bring it up on your talk page and let you do the editing? There will also be things that are matters of opinion, and these I will of course discuss with you before any editing is done. By the way, may I ask why you have such an interest in nordic skiing? I think it's quite unusual for an american.Stavol2 17:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

50 km 1937
I see that you have changed the silver medalist. I wish Ryen took the silver, but he actually did not even finish the race. Karppinen was 2nd. http://sports123.com/cco/mw-50.html http://www.hickoksports.com/history/worldnordsk.shtml#m50k http://www.sport-komplett.de/sport-komplett/sportarten/s/ski_nordisch/skilanglauf/hst/3.html http://www.skidor.com/t2.asp?p=33333 http://members.fortunecity.com/teknokekko65/ski/1937.HTM Even FIS has the wrong info here and that is very unfortunate because the error spreads out to all sites with this as their source. Contacting organisations like FIS, IOC, attempting to correct errors is almost like banging one's head into a wall. On 2 occasions I mailed the IHF (international handball federation) about some errors on their site. There was no need for any verification, anyone could see that there has to be something wrong. But still, no reaction whatsoever. Extremely frustrating. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stavol2 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Ski jumping 1995
Thanks for your last message Can you please edit the team competition, switch 2nd and 3rd? I found just a few links with the correct info, luckily one of them is FIS. The FIS link is already there. http://www.skidor.com/t2.asp?p=33333 http://www.vg.no/sport/ski/vm_nordisk_99/historikk/ho_lag.hbs The points for the top 3 are FIN 889.0, GER 882.5, JPN 836.9Stavol2 16:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Editing
Thank you for the advice, I will follow that. Thank you also for responding to my previous messages, which of course is a motivation to work further on this. Just now I have made a comment on the 1934 page about an extraordinary thing which happened. You will I suppose notice this on your watchlist. Perhaps as a native english-speaker you would rephrase it somehow.Stavol2 22:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

FIS Ski World's
Concerning pre-war times and points my source is the program issued by the Norwegian Ski Federation prior to Trondheim 1997. I haven't found any source on the web. I want to thank you for your co-operation so far. I will go on vacation for 10 days. Hopefully we will be in touch after thatStavol2 23:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Is it accepted Wiki policy to delete discussions from one's own talk page?83.109.60.142 23:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

2010 Championships
I have a concern about this article. You have created an article stating that a world championship for women ski jumping (normal hill) will take place in 2010 since it wasn't included in the offical Winter Olympic program. Do you have any information to back up such a claim? There are plenty of articles about the exlusion of women in this event in the Olympics, but I have not seen ANY info that a championship will be staged. I have followed the FIS website very closely after the annoucement that ONLY ski cross will be added, and I have yet to see any infomation on a 2010 championship.Perakhantu 08:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

My spelling is bad also, tambien
And my typing is worse. I gotta stare at the keyboard. Chivista 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC) :( I use the phrase as a memory aid... par is in separate. Chivista 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

20 km 1980
Hello again. What made you change the name of the winner? You are right that she did compete as Schmidt, but that was before 1980 where she definetely competed as Hesse, both in this event and the olympics. I refer to all the links sent earlier about this event. Her skiclub of Zella-Mehlis is one of them. http://www.scmotorzella-mehlis.de/chronik/wm.htm Also in the description of the new events where the athletes go classical and freestyle in the same race I don't think they change boots, but they are allowed to do so. I'm not quite sure on this point. Do you know?Stavol2 11:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the Hesse correction and info on how to link. I now corrected the name to Gjøslien as I previously did on the 1939 page. On both pages I left the link as it was even if the name is incorrect. How can you change the name of the sub-page?Stavol2 14:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

SFD discussion
This message is to notify you that a stub category that you created is up for deletion at WP:SFD. Please join the discussion. Thanks. ~ Amalas rawr  =^_^=  16:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did notify the template's creator. I haven't heard anything from him/her yet.  I can see why you would have thought to create the category, as it makes some sort of sense.  However, one thing to note is that we often have just a template that feeds into its parent category when it doesn't quite have enough to stand on its own.  Say, some country has a number of politicians, but not really enough for its own category, we might create the template anyway and feed it into the general country category.  So, in many cases, creating the category is not needed.  Creating the category does not make you a bad editor or anything like that, but I'm just pointing out that it's not unusual for there to be a template and not a category.  In any case, I think we both agree that it's not needed in general, so I think it will all work out.  Thanks for your comments.  Have a great day and happy editing! ~ Amalas  rawr  =^_^=  21:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Flag Fix
Much appreciated! I didn't even notice - for whatever that says about my powers of observation! (BTW, I do want to get very close to the other Georgia. There are some fantastic tours of Turkey's Black Sea coast, all the way past Trabzon... One day I might need to put that flag back) Jd2718 02:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Classical / freestyle
Hi,I just edited the headlines for cross-country in 1982. I see you have a comment about this at the top of the page as well. You are right that Bill Koch was a pioneer in the freestyle, at that time he mainly used one of the skis to skate with. (I can hardly picture myself Oddvar Brå in freestyle). In 1985 most of the top skiers had adopted and improved this technique. Therefore FIS decided to make a distinction in the 1987 races. Concerning the relays: in 1987(and olympics 1988)all legs in freestyle, since 1989 they have concisted of two classical and two freestyle legs(I'm not sure what you call it in english).Stavol2 22:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Article you might be interested in
I saw that you set up the Category for Organ Transplant recipients and I thought you might be interested in the article I set up, List of notable organ transplant donors and recipients. Remember 16:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I am from Charleston. I went to Wando and I used to live in Mt. Pleasant. Remember 21:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Medals table
I would like to argue for an adjustment in the medals table: Slovenia (incl. Yugoslavia) 2 golds, 1 bronze. - The medal for Yugoslavia was won by a slovene (one year before he competed in the olympics for Slovenia) - Concerning skiing, Slovenia was by far the dominating of the former Yugoslav republics until the breakup of the federation in 1991. (In the recent years there is of course also the Kostelic era for Croatia) - All 4 Yugoslav winter olympic medals (2 in alpine skiing, 2 in nordic skiing) won by slovenes. - All 9 Yugoslav world alpine ski championships medals won by slovenes. - As the USSR and Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia has now seized to exist not only as a federation but also in name, the two remaining republics taking the name Serbia & Montenegro in 2003. (In 2006 even Montenegro declared its independence)Stavol2 13:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

PCD Merge
Sounds cool. Tcatron565 00:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

i love that user box Evaunit666 02:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

personally, id be fine with the new one. but maybe using the color from the original one would make more conservative pcd fans ok with the new one.Evaunit666 01:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Miller17CU94/Userboxes/User PCD
If you want that deleted you can use db-author to get a quicker response. Also note that despite it being a userbox, it's in user space, so would have to go to WP:MFD, rather then WP:TFD. 68.39.174.238 00:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the warm welcome
I have been editing Wikipedia anonymously for about 18 months. I've decided to start participating on the Talk pages, so I have registered an account. So Chris, please monitor my progress and keep me from getting in trouble with the natives. Go Clemson! (Class of 1966 - Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 1967-73) - ClemsonTiger 17:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Engineering journals
You've added two worthy journals; since you entered them with a link, I imagine you plan to add articles. Adding journal articles is easy, but with the current deletionist sentiment against intellectual topics, I suggest you might want to say something about notability in the first sentence. DGG 19:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I will bear that in mind. Thank you for the advice. Do you know why there is such a deletionist sentiment on the issue of intellectual topics? Unless there is an open acceptance toward fluff pieces (entertainment, sport, etc.) which, IMO, don't give meat at all to an article. Chris 20:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

WP Organizations
Hi Chris, thanks for joining in on the WikiProject! For now there are just two projects, on categorization of organizations and ministries, help is appreaciated :) In case you have ideas for other projects within the scope of the project, be bold and start them! Best regards, Brz7 23:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yugoslav ski medal
Thanks for your reply on YUG/SLO. We cannot agree on all points of view. Do you want me to continue filling in times and points even if my source for the early championships is just the one I mentioned previously? Wishing you a happy new year and a continued good dialogue.Stavol2 18:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Most peculiar thing just happened
I notice that I'm the target of a "sock puppet" investigation. What do I do now? - ClemsonTiger 14:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)