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Your submission at Articles for creation: Anton Miller (January 25)
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Help me!
Please help me with... I'm working on a draft article about American violist and arranger Rita Porfiris, and before I either submit the draft for review (or publish it directly as a new page), I would appreciate whatever guidance anyone is willing to offer, to help make this as good a Wikipedia article as it can be. Thanks.

Millipede (talk) 15:18, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Before you submit it for a review you'd like us to review it? I'd strongly advise against publishing the page directly. There are several issues:
 * The formatting needs work, particular the section headings (currently they're what, sub-sub-subsection headings?). Trivial issue, easily done.
 * Multiple references don't say what they're cited for and often don't even mention Rita Porfiris. Critical issue, needs fixing before this becomes a live article.
 * Those independent sources that do mention Rita Porfiris often only do so in passing. When browsing the sources, I didn't see a single independent source that spent so much as a single sentence on Porfiris. If there are reliable third-party sources that discuss her in some detail, they appear to be hidden in all those passing mentions and non-mentions. That's another critical issue that needs fixing; we need more than passing mentions to establish notability.
 * Please note that this was not a full review and that there may be other issues. Huon (talk) 15:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the response.

If the heading formatting can be easily fixed, I would appreciate advice on how to do it, and then I can focus on the references.Millipede (talk) 16:12, 30 January 2019 (UTC)


 * So, what is the best way to fix the headings? Millipede (talk) 16:32, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * About improving the references, I want to learn how to do it right, so let's take an example. Below are two sentences under the "Career" heading in the Draft: Rita Porfiris article,


 * In 1997 she won second prize at the Primrose International Viola Competition  and joined the faculty at the University of Houston Moores School of Music. She remained at the Houston Symphony and Moores School until 2009, when she joined the faculty of The Hartt School at the University of Hartford, where she now serves as Associate Professor of Viola and Chair of Chamber Music. She has also been on the faculty of New York University.


 * The internal Wikipedia link to the Primrose International Viola Competition verifies that Rita Porfiris won the second prize in 1997, although the reader has to scroll down to the history of awards section in the Wikipedia article to find this verification. So, I thought it would be helpful to link also to the official Primrose Competition webpage, which also shows that Rita Porfiris won the second prize in 1997. Can you give me an idea about what is defective in those citations, and how I could improve them? The second sentence links to the Faculty page at Hartt Music School, to verify the title Rita Porfiris holds at that University. Is there something wrong about that citation? If so, how could I improve it? Thanks in advance for your help.Millipede (talk) 16:32, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the somewhat slow response; real life interfered. Regarding the layout issues, I have fixed them (mostly). There are several changes beyond the section headings; if any of them are unclear, I'll gladly explain them.
 * For your sample sentence, Wikipedia does not consider itself a reliable source; it should not be used as a reference. The reason is that everybody can edit Wikipedia articles at any time; if we accepted Wikipedia articles as sources, someone could add a (possibly false!) snippet of information to one article and then cite that as a source in another article - and then maybe even cite the second article as a source for the first! Instead, Wikipedia content should be based on reliable secondary sources such as articles about the subject written by newspapers or reputable magazines. If the Primrose Competition article gave such a source for the list of winners we could re-use it for the Porfiris article, but the competition article's only sources are the websites of the competition itself and of the American Viola Society which sponsors it - both primary sources. (Part of the reason we want secondary and not primary sources is that they help us to assess significance - I would assume that the Primrose Competition is a prominent and reputable music competition, but if no newspaper, no music magazine, nobody bothers to report on it, then maybe that assumption is wrong and it's really just a few people who meet in some school, fiddle a little, give themselves some great-sounding prize and who have a good web designer? Is this really a significant award if the only ones taking note of it are the organizations bestowing the award and sponsoring it?) If, say, the LA Times had reported on the 1997 Primrose Competition, that would be a good source (though maybe difficult to find). The second sentence is even more problematic: Not only is it based on yet another primary source (her employer), but the source doesn't even confirm what it's cited for. Yes, it does say that Porfiris is an Associate Professor at the Hartt School, but it doesn't say when she got that position. How do you know that it was in 2009? Not from that source. Maybe the Hartford Courant has something on this aspect of her career? That might be worth a look. Huon (talk) 07:09, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Danke vielmals! Thanks very much for fixing the section headings. I'll look carefully at your coding to learn the correct style.
 * I appreciate (and share) the skeptical approach that calls for documentation. Not all readers would know that the Primrose International Viola Competition is a highly prominent, reputable, and internationally recognized competition, so, in addition to the primary sourcing to the American Viola Society, I have also added an additional reference to a report in the periodical Strad about the 1997 viola competition results. That journal is accessible electronically through proprietary databases, but I wasn't sure whether Wikipedia encourages (or discourages) including a reference link that requires a subscription to access. Do you have any advice about that? Is there a Wikipedia guideline about this? I have also added documentation of the fact that the appointment of Rita Porfiris at Hartt was in 2009; I've given an electronically accessible link to what appears to be a republication of the announcement or press release issued by the Hartt School about the appointment of Rita Porfiris. Would it be better to link to the original Hartt press release if I can find it online? Thanks again for your help.Millipede (talk) 14:11, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition to the questions above (e.g., does Wikipedia encourage or discourage including a reference link that requires a subscription to access?), I'm also wondering whether there is some commonly understood notion as to the point at which documentation risks becoming over-documentation. Are there clear guidelines about this that are fairly simple to apply, or is this ultimately a matter of editorial discretion?Millipede (talk) 14:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I assume "Strad" is The Strad, the British-based music magazine? That's an excellent source. Even if the August 1997 edition cannot be found online, or only behind a paywall, I would expect that sufficiently well-equipped libraries - say, the Library of Congress, the New York Public Library, the British Library, libraries of music schools, and so on - will carry back issues. Sources for Wikipedia articles don't have to be available online (though of course a link to an online version is more convenient for our readers). They also don't have to be available for free; subscription-only sources are also acceptable (though a free source of course is again more convenient for our readers).
 * The other source is much more problematic. I agree that it's a re-published press release. Finding the original would be better than the re-published version (particularly because that claims to have been written "by BWW News Desk", which is misleading; I found an alternative version, but not the original), but even the original is still a press release issued by the university that just hired Porfiris - still a primary source, and a rather promotional one at that ("The Hartt School is the comprehensive performing arts conservatory of the University of Hartford that offers innovative degree programs..."). There's also a reliability issue: While I wouldn't expect the Hartt School to outright lie, press releases such as this one aren't quite known for being subject to fact-checking or editorial oversight. That's why I suggested the Hartford Courant instead.
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean by "over-documentation". There's generally no need to add multiple sources to confirm the same statement when one already does so (though that might be different for particularly controversial statements; the worst case I know of cites six textbooks written by different academics and scholars that all confirm the statement, and it still sometimes is disputed by editors). If you mean, "what statements need sources and what don't?", then there's indeed an easy-to-apply answer: All content must be based on reliable published sources (and we should cite those sources). This is particularly important for biographies of living persons. Content without a source may be removed whenever and wherever it's encountered (though trying to find a source and adding that source might be more helpful). Huon (talk) 01:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Help me!
I'm not sure how to follow up. One Wikipedian already helpfully replied to my request for help and said that the draft article needs to be improved. I'm grateful to get a response, but I'm not sure what is the best way to improve the formatting of the headings (which is supposed to be easy), nor am I sure I understand how to improve the references. I offered as an example some references from the draft article that looked okay to me, and I asked what I should do to improve them. Any help will be appreciated.

Please help me with... improving a draft article

Millipede (talk) 18:57, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, User:Huon is normally available on IRC. Our helpers may be able to assist you better there. RhinosF1(chat) (status)(contribs) 19:38, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Huon is aware of your request and should be in touch in time. You can use to reply next time and just post it in the same thread with a colon at the start to tab it in.  RhinosF1(chat) (status)(contribs) 19:42, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Rita Porfiris


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Managing a conflict of interest
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