User talk:Milonica/Archive 11

March 29, 2011
Hi Milonica,

No, my main IP has been blocked since November and expires in May. I have been undoing this person's edits b/c there is no proof or aticles stating what they are editing to the current stations. Thank You :) User:TVFAN24

Hey Milonica,

No, I appreciate your concern but believe me I've more than learned my lesson about sockpuppeting. A lot of times, this user seems to add info that is not correct and even in today's instance I saw that they said an indivdual had died and that was not the case at all (how horrible to make that up). I will also keep a look out on this person and their furure edits. But I can assure you I am not that person. The only edits I have been making are on my TVFAN24 account. Thanks again and happy editing. User:TVFAN24

April 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 00:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

IP socks
May you explain this ip socks...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolingfield (talk • contribs) 22:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I explained it on the AFD page. One person using multiple accounts to promote their opinion or otherwise is against Wikipedia policy. Those who wanted to "not delete" that article, appear to be the same person using different IP addresses to push their opinion. This is known as sock puppetry. See WP:Sock for more information. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  22:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Coord type for broadcast antennae
In a recent edit to KCYA, you updated the antenna coordinates, and in the process you changed the  parameter from   to. According to the documentation at Coord,  is correct. Please use  in the future. Best regards,—Stepheng3 (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was using a script to create most of those articles, and must have missed that. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  17:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I've corrected the article.  Will you take care of the script?  —Stepheng3 (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is, it isn't my script, it was created a few years ago, although I don't recall who made it. The script I use is here: . From now on when I create new radio station articles, I will make sure the coord is landmark, not city or otherwise. Thanks for letting me know. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  19:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cooperation and the link. I'll see if I can track down somebody able to maintain the tool. —Stepheng3 (talk) 01:45, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

May 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
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Are you familiar with the subject which this person is vandalising (telenovelas and San Diego TV stations) ? I'm unfamiliar but it seems like the behaviour is the same since before the block. So I'm loath to revert in case it's actually good information. But considering the contributions patterns, I don't think it is. I will post at WP:TV as well to see if they can help.

~ Alison C. (aka Crazytales) 04:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ~ Alison C. (aka Crazytales) 04:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with a handful of his/her edits either, but I do know the San Diego one they reverted was done so without an explanation. As far as the other ones, this editor has a long history of violations to policy on this encyclopedia, so I wouldn't object to another longer block if possible. I don't know what to make of this IP. It isn't the first time they have been blocked but they continue to vandalize after the block, and generally are not contributing to the betterment of the encyclopedia if I must say so myself. That is probably a good idea as far as going to WP:TV. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  04:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I got the same idea by looking at contributions; I blocked for three months. Although I wasn't certain about the telenovela edits being vandalic, I looked at their history before and after Firsfron's block of April29 and saw muchly the same radio/TV station edits. ~ Alison C. (aka Crazytales) 05:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for taking care of the block. I hope I don't have to see you in 3 months when the block is lifted :) -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  05:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

June 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 22:10, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

TV station vandal
We've come up with a simple plan. Please see User:Anna Frodesiak/Black sandbox. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

KGO-AM
I am curious as to why you have flagged me as a "sockpuppet" for my edit to the KGO-AM wiki page? Are you attempting to re-write history? Duane Garrett was an important host at the time, and his suicide affected a great many people and was quite noteworthy at the time.

Please explain yourself.

http://articles.sfgate.com/1995-12-26/news/17821866_1_garrett-s-friends-duane-garrett-sports-memorabilia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ira Schlamazel (talk • contribs) 00:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I flagged you as a sock puppet because your edit was exactly similar to that previous IP. Its just a suspect, its not saying you ARE a sock puppet. The reason I removed the other edit is because it was an un-sourced issue, the same reason the editor before me reverted the IP's edits. It was done in good faith.-- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  01:06, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, be sure to assume good faith when you edit. Obviously this person affected a great number of people, and I am glad you put the reference in the article. I have been editing wikipedia since 2006, so do not assume I don't know what I am doing. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  02:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

WCCO-TV
You reverted an IP editor and issued a warning for "Massive removal of sourced material. Rvv". Technically, though, none of the information that the IP removed was sourced, thus technically making xyr within rights to do the removal in the first place. Of course, it's always shocking to see such a massive removal of content, so I can understand your reaction. I opened up a new section on the article's talk page to discuss the issue; I'd love to hear your input on the issue. I haven't edited either way on the issue yet (removing or re-adding the big chunk), although I do think the IP is closer to right on the issue. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 12:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

IBOC radio
This HD entry is no where near neutral, much of it has been written from Iniquities point of view which should be purged from this "encyclopedia" entry. Betojoven (talk) 01:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

HD radio
Many of these claims are complete BS and from ibiquity's point of view, what gives you the right to claim that this article is anywhere near neutral as it is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betojoven (talk • contribs) 01:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, I don't like the system any more than you do, but we as editors have to keep our opinions of it out of the article. Yes, I know damn well the system sucks, especially on AM. I wish it was gone too, but its not. What I don't want to see is material on that article that attacks Ibiquity in the manner your edits did. That being said, I agree, that article needs to be gutted and started over. In my opinion, it is too wordy and I share some of your worries about it being biased. What I suggest is more civilized editing if you are going to add those additions back in. Back them up with some sources, and nobody will throw a fuss. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  03:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

KENI redux
If you haven't already found the discussion: the article most certainly could have been rewritten without the need for a speedy deletion. Since there was a speedy deletion followed by a recreated article rather than merely a rewritten article, useful references, links and the like have vanished into the ether. More importantly to me, however, I believe you left a talk page message asking about the station's history, to which I replied with a rather extensive outline covering the entire history of the station as well as important individual points within. This was only an hour or two or so prior to the article's deletion, so you may not have come across it. The user who deleted the article left me a response as if to suggest these contributions to be unimportant. I have left a history-only undeletion request at deletion review, if that solves the problem, and also if you have any comment.RadioKAOS (talk) 04:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I apologize, I didn't get to read the note you left. I only recall two references being in the article, I bet there are plenty out there. However all I saw was the over promotion of two hosts or workers at the station, not much on history other than it being on 550 at one time. If there is a way to look back on the old page (like using the wayback machine, or via Wikipedia some how) we can consider what to re-include in the article. The article now has sources from Arbitron and the FCC, which are two of the most notable names as you probably know. If you can add history with references, go for it :). For the record, I didn't intend to cause a comotion over nominating the article for deletion, but it seemed like blatant advertisement and nothing more. To me it would be easier just to start over, however I didn't realize all of the history would be deleted when the page went. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  05:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of adding back some of the material of the old article, including the only citation that was in the old version. I used the latest snapshot from the Wayback machine. Once again, if you have history for the station, add it but make sure it is referenced, and a promotion of the station like it was before. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  06:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * What I posted was an outline, and it was to the talk page. I managed to have that restored, BTW.  Some of the response I've received thus far has been along the lines that this is inappropriate because its not a properly sourced addition to the article.  As I've already explained, I could have sworn that one of the purposes of a talk page is to foster collaboration, yet certain users are looking at me as if this is all my responsibility.  It's summer in Alaska, which means we work and stay busy a lot more often than we do when its colder.  I managed eight hours sleep last night for the first time in about two weeks.  Anyway, if you really wanted the info that's currently on the talk page to be in the article and properly sourced, it may be a while if anyone was waiting around for me to do it.  Never mind that if I did it for this article, there's perhaps a dozen other radio stations in Alaska with similar extensive histories whose existing articles similarly serve no purpose.RadioKAOS (talk) 18:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I am fine with the history if it is on the station's website and you or I can find it. I know there is some hubbub about first party sources on Wikipedia, but I would question a lot of articles suffer from the same thing in that regard. Thanks for posting the history on the talk page, that is what it is designed for, to discuss that sort of thing. I don't understand why the admin is acting the way they are.-- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  19:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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September 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 02:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Could you please join the discussion at WP:ANI? While you know that I agree that all slogans should be removed until sourced, that wasn't what the previous consensus found at the Wikiproject discussion. I'm not sure that we should be jumping to remove all of that stuff without consensus. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I was unaware of the ANI discussion. However, I agree you should not be removing them.  While they MIGHT be dubious, because sourcing is hard to come by, WP:OR I can state the ones I am familiar with were accurate.  So what business is it of yours to go through removing this select content that has accumulated and been corrected over the course of years?  There is a lot of highly accurate, unsourced information in these articles.  And if you were to search in some of the external links, those facts DO line up.  You do not know what you are doing.  Removing valid content goes against the wiipedia project.  Please revert all of your overzealous edits.  Now that I am aware of this, I'll be participating in the ANI discussion about this. Trackinfo (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, actually, Trackinfo you're also not quite right either. If Milonica, had, for example, put an "unreferenced section" tag on the slogans, left a note on the talk page stating that they will be removed at such an such a time if unsourced, and then, a few weeks or months later, removed them, then Milonica would be 100% correct.  WP:V says very clearly that your recollection (or anyone else's recollection) is not sufficient to keep info in Wikipeda--any information which is not "obvious" (the phrase used in the policy is "can be challenged") can be removed if unverified.  The only question in this case is how dubious the info is; if it's very highly dubious (as in the case of the "localized" slogans added by our incessant vandal), then they can be removed immediately and without question.  If someone said that the slogan of a station was "Watch or Die", then we could of course remove that immediately, too. With the other slogans...it's a judgment call. So I don't think it would be wrong of you to revert Milonica, but you should then go and find sources and, if you can't expect that they will be removed at a later date.  Qwyrxian (talk) 09:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I reverted the removal of content so that sources can be found. I also put a tag on there reminding that it is not sourced, so that it can be deleted in the future if none are found. I will stick to removing the "localized version of XYZ" slogans, which are very dubious as was discussed earlier. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  15:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

News Personalities
Oh I didn't realize that a consensus was reached on the current personalities. Ok then sorry about that. Thanks. TVFAN24 (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding. -- ḾỊḼʘɴίcả  •  Talk  •  I DX for fun!  21:00, 15 September 2011 (UTC)