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George Zimmerman call transcript
Not sure why you removed it. Maybe to cut the length? The other cleanup was very good. I noticed you said "primary source" in the edit summary, but there's no prohibition on using a primary source in this way, and actually having the entire transcript might be good in this particular situation since news media mangled and summarized it many times. -- Avanu (talk) 08:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Regarding discussion on my Talk page in which you say that I edit warred
From my Talk page:
 * This is what occurred, and my latest edit:
 * You made major changes to a section, including removing a phone call transcript and revising text. The section had been the way it was with only minor changes for months. I reverted and said it should be discussed first on the talk page.


 * Another editor partially reverted my edit, leaving the text changes but restoring the call transcript. You had started the talk discussion, and you reverted that editor, saying it should be discussed first. Your original edit is what should have been discussed first, however. The other editor removed what might be questionable, the text (even though it's been there months), and Talk discussion showed that the transcript was acceptable and another source, Mother Jones, could be given. Since the transcript wasn't objectionable I reverted to the version of the other editor. The consensus on the page seemed to be that the transcript should stay. One editor mentioned that some text added to the transcript, such as noting when sounds of a car door opening are heard, could be removed, but that is the only mention of it. And those things could just be removed, if you object to them. Psalm84 (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm going to post this also to your Talk page. Psalm84 (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Psalm84 (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I've addressed it on the talk page. You reverted the same info back in twice. The fact that there was an intervening edit does not matter. If 1RR is no longer the rule, so be it, but you made these reverts when other editors were right in the middle of discussing it, and you did not even bother commenting on the talk page. You should anticipate that such editing behavior is going to escalate the dispute. Take the time to actually consider my points about the transcript, rather than quickly reverting to your preferred version. Minor4th 03:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

No, I did not revert the same info twice. I reverted to Avanu's version which is only the transcript and which left your edits. And all the other editors have been for keeping the transcript, saying it's helpful and it isn't OR but WP:TRANSCRIPTION. One said that some added text could come out, but that isn't the same as removing the whole transcript. Psalm84 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Psalm84 (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You have an interesting personal definition of what constitutes a revert and what doesn't. You reversed all or a part of the same edit 3 times now, and I note that you continue to edit war.  Have at it, the article means a whole lot more to you than it does to me.  I was trying to improve it, but the rules and guidelines are suspended on this article, and it's fallen to POV editors.Minor4th  07:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
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— Sincerely, Street-Legal Sockpuppet   Br'er  Rabbit     06:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Request for editorial review
M4th: would you do me the favor of reviewing the top article in my Sandbox for NPOV and other WP requisites, before I put it up. Our pal is bound to take exception (if not hysteria) to it as a matter of principle. I would like it to be as sound as possible beforehand. Feel free to tear it up (constructively). Thx. PraeceptorIP (talk) 03:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Will do as time allows.<span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:110%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 15:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * See User:PraeceptorIP/JEM Case. I've worked on it some for him. GregJackP   Boomer!   15:31, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Greg.<b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:110%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 15:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

recent edit on mattress performance talk page
Hi Minor4th, I recently moved a comment Mattnad made, which he placed in the middle of one of my previous comments because it removed my signature from the comment. I see you reverted. . Was this a mistake? It's a relatively minor thing, but I think it's clearer if that comment that I made in one edit, remains in one piece (it was a two part edit, directed at two different editors, but breaking it up removes my signature from part of it). Do you mind if this is changed back?--BoboMeowCat (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That was a total mistake. Had no idea I did that.<b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:110%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 18:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, -Tryptofish (talk) 15:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

admin vs. content
I understand what you're saying, and can even agree in a very small way - but since you mentioned it, I will say that Wehwalt is an excellent example of an admin who does great content work. — Ched : ?  03:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, would be a glaring exception, if he's an admin.  I don't know that I've ever seen him doing admin work. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:110%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 03:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * He usually acts if he's asked directly, I think. He was one of my inspirations, actually. ;-)  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  03:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Bravo for this. Of course, you do realise that speaking out in such a fashion will expel you from any future RfA you may wish to undertake. Good on you!  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   12:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and yeah, there will be no RfA's for me ;) <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 13:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Minor4th, I don't think we've ever "met" before, but I found your insights to the overall atmosphere of content editing to be insightful and thought-provoking. Thank you.  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  02:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . We haven't "met" but other editors have mentioned to me that you're one of the best content creators; so I've followed some of your content and discussions.  I don't edit very much - mostly because the atmosphere can be so toxic when one is actually trying to accomplish something here.   I get too frustrated and discouraged and find other things to do that don't leave me feeling slimy. :D  Best -- <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 03:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Montanabw RfA
The nomination has a snowball's chance of success, so maybe it's high time to stop badgering the opposes:. This process has been stressful for all involved, and the continuing confrontations there are so unlikely to impact the outcome that they appear egregious at this point. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk) 16:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh? <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 16:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If the nom got no more opposes and seven supports per hour, it would still fail. So it seems really unnecessary to continue to badger opposes this late in the process, as the outcome will not change. But I'll leave it at that, since you either get my point now or won't get it no matter what I say. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  16:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I made exactly one reply to exactly one oppose; it was substantive and civil. I have not "badgered" anyone.  But if there's no reason to comment on the RfA, why do you continue to "badger" the candidate?  It's a rhetorical question - no need to answer ;) <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 16:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't commented there in three days. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  16:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * liar.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   17:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't counting copyedits to my oppose rationale as independent comments. BTW, you're really popular over at Wikipediocracy: RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  17:50, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I hate to break it to you, but I knew about it on the 17 September, so sorry to piss on your parade RO. IT's nice to know that while the trolling fuckwits are talking about me they're leaving someone else alone.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   18:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "the trolling fuckwits" Such language for an educated adult. I am deeply saddened that you've recently adopted this persona, because I remember seeing you around last fall, but I don't remember you acting so aggressively. Maybe you take this place a little too seriously, but I'm glad you realize that most of us are having a good laugh about it. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  18:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think it's "recent". I don't forget RO; supporting someone who likened me to a person who mocks rape victims is about as low as you can go. It's behaviour like that which causes me to act "aggressively".   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   18:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You totally misunderstood me then, and you're still carrying that misunderstanding with you today. I never said that, Cassianto, nor did I think it at the time or now. It's ridiculous. I never supported that accusation; I tried to help you two see that you were talking past each other and not seeing the other person's point, just like you're doing right now. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't want to make anymore comments about this here, but if you want to discuss this please feel free to come to my talk page. If you bring some diffs, I'll be able to show you I did not take the position that you think I did. There's too much long-term grudge holding around here, and if you want to make an effort to end ours I'll be very happy to discuss it with you. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  18:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK., just to let you know, we're moving pages now. Tell the others, won't you?  ;)   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   19:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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FAC of Schmerber v. California
Hi Minor4th, I hope all is well these days! I have nominated an article I wrote, Schmerber v. California, for FA status. I know that you are a subject matter expert and you are generally an awesome Wikipedian when it comes to legal articles (and all other articles), so I was hoping you would be willing to take a look at the nomination for Schmerber. Here is a link to the nomination. Thanks in advance for your help! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I will take a look and give input if I have some.  You might also want to take a look at Today's featured article/requests/United States v. Washington since you participated in the FAN discussion.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 17:33, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Minor4th! I just went to the TFA nomination page for U.S. v. Washington to express my support. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

FYI - Tryptofish
- FYI, I did not request that you be blocked. I don't know if you ever saw my comment responding to you, but I asked for a warning. I never thought that you meant anything malicious - my concern was that your comment would lead others to further outing and harassment. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 21:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You have asked me not to post on your talk page, so out of respect, I am leaving you a message here and you are welcome to respond if you care to.


 * Regarding this comment, I think Roger Davies was referring to the other editor you mentioned  in the oversighted diff -- you had proposed a site ban for him, not me.


 * About the edit itself, I don't think anyone believes or has accused you of any kind of malicious outing (and that's why the block was very short); I would characterize your comment as more careless than malicious. I reported the diff because I wanted it oversighted to prevent any "opposition research" based on the real-life connections you were trying to make. I did not request a block or any other sanction other than a warning, but a short block was appropriate while Arb contacted you and sorted it out.   As one who values privacy, you should understand that completely.


 * While your feelings were hurt by the block, I assure you it feels worse to have one's anonymity/privacy compromised.  You are a long-term, experienced editor and you should have known better than to have made that post, as you have acknowledged.  So, I am asking you please to give the Arbs a break and stop insisting that they apologize to you or admit to some kind of wrongdoing in the wake of all this because it gives the impression that you do not actually regret the post and that you do not think there was anything wrong with your behavior, and that is pretty hurtful to the targets of your post.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 21:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll note also that Tryptofish is the one who added me as a party to the case even though I had never edited in the GMO topic area - he added me unilaterally without even stating why I should be included. He subsequently proposed that I be sanctioned with an interaction ban and proposed that the other editor he mentioned in the diff be indefinitely site banned.  With that context in mind, Tryptofish's oversighted diff that led to his short block looks like an invitation to conduct opposition research as was alluded to by one of the Arbs.


 * I could have proposed a FoF and remedy regarding Tryptofish in the Arb case, based on his conduct on the Arb pages during the case. I believe that it would have been warranted; I was content to let it go and move on, but he has recently "re-started the discussion" and I find it very offensive that he is now portraying himself as the victim, wronged by ArbCom and by me implicitly.   <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 19:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Patent litigation
You said better material was needed for the patent litigation of Monsanto. I notice the arfticle starts at a late date. If you want to go back to when M was selling herbicide but not seeds, you could summarize the CA3 case of Monsanto v. Rohm & Haas on propanil. Just excertpt what you consider worthwhile. PraeceptorIP (talk) 00:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'll take a look. Please feel free to jump in yourself. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 00:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks Wuerzele! <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 18:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Seconded. And the wait drags on. Jus  da  fax   00:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Tick tock tick tock ....<b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 00:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Big fan here, too.   petrarchan47  คุ  ก   01:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Awww. You guys are too much!  Take a look at Guillerilo's talk page.  He says it's still going to be a few days before the PD. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 15:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Ariel Fernandez
Dear Editor, In compliance with Wikipedia regulations, we would like to inform you that we have filed a discussion in the NPOV board that mentions your name. Thanks much for your attention. 181.228.138.187 (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)Argentine Natl. Research Council

Proposed revision to Career Section in BLP Ariel Fernandez
Dear Editor Minor4th, Following your valuable suggestions on the NPOV board for improving the BLP for Ariel Fernandez, we have now included in the Talk page of the article a proposed revision of the Career section. We have quoted reputable secondary sources to back up the assertions. Hopefully the tone is now more neutral and balanced. We would much appreciate your help with this revision of the career section. 181.228.138.187 (talk) 12:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)Argentine Natl. Research Council

Dear Minor4th, Thanks much in advance for your help improving the BLP for Ariel Fernandez regarding NPOV. We are ready to work with you at your convenience on the proposed edits to the career section. We placed the edited version in the Talk page quoting the appropriate primary and secondary sources. Thanks much for your help with this.181.228.138.187 (talk) 12:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)Argentine Natl. Research Council


 * Thanks. I have been busy but I will take a look when I have some time.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 15:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you Minor4th. Your intervention in the BLP would be most valuable in order to achieve the required neutrality and balanced point of view. I concur with the proposed revision to the career section.50.4.224.33 (talk) 20:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)Ariel Fernandez

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A toast for your help with Schmerber v. California!
Many thanks for your work to help Schmerber v. California achieve FA status. The article was promoted today, and I hope you will raise a glass with me in celebration! -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:08, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Congrats and cheers! <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 21:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Ariel Fernandez article editing
Dear Minor4th: We feel that Dr. Ariel Fernandez has been unfairly treated by Wikipedia. As you and other editors have noted, his BLP article places undue weight on negative content, is not balanced and does not comply with the neutral tone requirement. The BLP focuses on three questioned papers, while the subject has published over 350 peer-reviewed papers, two books as sole author and holds two patents, all with several secondary sources, as indicated in the proposed edits (Talk page). We and others in academia would be very grateful to you if you could fix the article when you get a chance.198.30.200.95 (talk) 14:40, 6 November 2015 (UTC)OSU


 * I'm not interested in working on this right now because my time is very limited. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 16:20, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Understood. 128.146.70.145 (talk) 20:37, 6 November 2015 (UTC)OSU

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Non-edit warring
Hi Minor4th. Thank you for making your recent edit over at the GMO ArbCom case. It certainly needs pointing out what Kingofaces43 is doing. However, I am a little concerned about your phrasing in the post. Kingofaces43 has accused me of edit warring, and you seem to have repeated this in your posting to ArbCom. I do not believe I am edit warring on the Glyphosate article. I made two reverts of material since December 4th, here and here. I have not made any reverts since. I started the Talk page thread here at 19:43, 4 December 2015. This was between my first and my second revert. I really do not understand how this constitutes edit warring. It was one revert, open discussion, and a second to revert to the status quo. Am I missing something here? DrChrissy (talk) 00:16, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * On these high-conflict articles, a 1RR policy is best. 2RR can get people claiming there's an edit war... silly, but there you have it. Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  09:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * the page is 1RR per an early arbcom decision.--Wuerzele (talk) 09:45, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought I saw 3 reverts by Chrissy and 3 or 4 by BogHog. But my comment wasn't about whether or not Chrissy was edit warring - it was to question why KOA jumped in the middle of an ongoing revert war with an additional revert and why he only named Dr Chrissy when there was another editor who was more egregious but just happened to agree with KOA's POV.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 17:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * thats exactly how I read your comment.--Wuerzele (talk) 09:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Ariel Fernandez article editing
Dear Minor4th, I just read the proposed edits by Argentine Natl Research Council (CONICET) dated November 30th (end of Talk page). The proposers strive to get a neutral point of view in Career section. The subject has done much more than getting papers questioned by the NIH software contractor Joshua L Cherry (in Wiki Molevol1234, etc.). The proposed edits follow your suggestions and those of Gamaliel, quoting the required secondary sources. I am not related to the subject, although it seems everyone who tries to defend him is accused of that. I am hesitant to make those edits fearing the reversal by editor Nomoskedasticity, who has been reverting just about everybody who tried to fix the page. If you could take a look at the proposed edits that would help a lot. With your approval I can go ahead.Spinrade (talk) 21:48, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I really trust, especially on BLP issues. Try making the edits, and if they get reverted, start a discussion on the talk page to see if the issue can be resolved.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 22:17, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Genetically modified organisms case closed
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 * For the Arbitration Committee,  Mini  apolis  20:28, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


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Edit warring at Glyphosate
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 * Please keep in mind that you just edit warred content in that had been previously discussed on the article talk page and did not have consensus for inclusion. Such actions, especially when you had been alerted there was discussion and that consensus should be reached before re-adding it, are edit warring even if you have not violated 1RR. The arbs were clear that edit warring other than 1RR violations would likely result in sanctions at enforcement. Kingofaces43 (talk) 01:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Kingofaces43, I suggest you stop templating everyone who posts something you disagree with. Your behavior is inappropiate.   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  02:10, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Wow. I reverted one edit and that brings an edit warring template? Careful, the article is under discretionary sanctions now and you're already starting the battleground behavior right off the bat. You are the one who undid another's work by removing content you don't like. I restored the properly sourced content with my one edit and I will be happy to discuss it on the talk page. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 03:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm responding to your edit warring behavior, so please refrain from accusing me of "battleground behavior right off the bat." The short of it was that I removed an edit that had already been discussed awhile ago with no consensus and not added then while specifically citing WP:BRD to bring people to the talk page if they felt strongly. You instead hit the revert button ignoring all that in violation of WP:EW (even one revert can do that in contexts like this). If there wasn't all that context, I would have been more hesitant about a template, but your edit started some edit warring drama when it should have been perfectly clear that reverts at that point were inappropriate and people should have been leaving the article alone to focus on the talk page. The principles and sanctions from the case were specifically meant to prevent exactly what happened starting with your edit and instead get people on the talk page getting consensus for disputed edits instead. Please refrain from inappropriate behavior like this in the future that raises drama. What happened starting with your edit was a continuation of the edit warring environment before the ArbCom case started, and that really needs to stop unless someone actually wants to go to WP:AE. I for one would rather get the article working smoothly again. Kingofaces43 (talk) 04:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Kingofaces43, once again you are casting aspersions and if it happens again I will see enforcement at AE. I have no problem at all with AE -- that's why we have DS.  And, yes, templating someone for edit warring after one edit is indeed perpetuating a battleground and creating drama.  Making the controversial revert the day your opponents are topic banned is what started the edit warring and drama. I am always just stupefied by how you seem to lack any scintilla of insight into your own behaviors.  I have left a comment on the talk page for discussion - please actually discuss the content and the relevant sources.  And stay off my talk page in the future.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 05:27, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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1RR at Séralini affair
As you know, a 1RR restriction applies to this article. Your latest revert breaches that. You are encouraged to self-revert to avoid a risk of arbitration enforcement. Alexbrn (talk) 16:25, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

It does not breach 1RR. My last revert was more than 24 hours ago. Discuss on the talk page issues you have with my edit. <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 16:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Please see our WP:EW policy: "revert means undoing the actions of other editors". You have twice rapidly reverted to your own preferred version of the text (it does not require that the "undo" button was pressed). Alexbrn (talk) 16:31, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not done that. Editing is not synonymous with "reverting."  But I've noted your warning.  <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 16:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Your two reverts are:
 * 15:40, 21 December 2015‎
 * 16:14, 21 December 2015‎
 * The initial earlier edit where you removed the word "cancer" from the lede (i.e. your preferred POV) is.
 * Alexbrn (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Very well, I shall file a report at WP:AE. Alexbrn (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

AE notice
Please see here. Alexbrn (talk) 17:04, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh, yes...yet another tribble.
Yay, a tribble! Thanks Atsme :) <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 04:56, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
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About Women
Hi Minor4th. I'm an editor of the Italian Wikipedia. I'm trying to participate to an IEG with the project "Women are everywhere". You will find the draft at this link https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Women_are_everywhere It would be great if you could have a look at it. I need any kind of suggestion or advice to improve it. Support or endorsement would be fantastic. Many thanks,--Kenzia (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Digital Anthropology research
Hello Minor4th, My name is Stephanie Barker and I am a student at the University of Colorado Boulder. I am currently enrolled in a Digital Anthropology class, which attempts to answer how the digital world affects culture and how culture affects the digital world. For my final project I am doing an ethnography on women Wikipedia users and as a member of the WikiProject Women page I was hoping I could ask you some questions about your experiences editing Wikipedia pages. 1. Have you ever been locked into an intense editing war? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 2. How did you become interested in editing Wikipedia pages and did you have any initial fears/hesitations when you started editing pages? 3. Have you ever been a victim of a mass deletion or other vandalism on Wikipedia? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 4. How would you describe your gender? 5. Is there anything else you would like to share with me about your experiences as a Wikipedia editor? Thank you for taking the time to read this email. I would like you to know that I am only sharing my research with my professor and the other students in my class. If you would like me to send you a copy of my final project, I would be more than happy to! Sincerely, Stelba90 (talk) 00:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge
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Crap, did I move your comments?
If so, apologies, apparently me and the edit window are no longer friends. Arkon (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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Yes
Hi Minor,

I do favor your version, and it takes care of a problem I saw coming: the fact that the coverage will still pallid. Do you or perhaps know how I would amend the RfC to include this version officially? I suppose I would let the editors who've already participated know of the change. I would be happy to simply replace my version with yours. Any advice is welcome.  petrarchan47  คุ  ก   04:29, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Monsanto Cancer Case RfC - text has changed to your proposed version
Thank you for the suggestion. Go here to cast your iVote.  petrarchan47  คุ  ก   06:06, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Law article needs assessment
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2019 US Banknote Contest
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Missing you
Just saying! Sure has been a long vacay for you. Hope you're doing well. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 10:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Atsme :) <b class="nounderlines" style="border:1px solid #999;background:#fff"><span style="font-family:papyrus,serif"><b style="color:#000;font-size:100%">Minor</b><b style="color:#f00;font-size:80%">4th</b> </b> 17:23, 4 October 2020 (UTC)