User talk:Mirv/archive 13

Administrator powers
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Protection
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Deletion
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Rollback
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new collaboration project
You'd you be interested in participating in a new Collaboration project that aims at translating good and featured articles in the French Wikipedia to English (much like the Spanish Translation of the Week)? I'm trying to see if there's enough users interested in this project before creating it. Thank you. CG 17:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Article for deletion vote
Thought you might be interested in this:. Marsden 17:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

No.
ApeAndPig


 * (The above is in response to my deliberately cryptic post to this user's talk page, which was (in its entirety) "kainthekabongknot?" His response speaks for itself, albeit probably not in the way he intended.) &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 22:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it is an Enviroknot sockpuppet; it is from his city, using an IP provider and range he has previously used. Given that, and the editing pattern, there is no doubt. Jayjg (talk) 07:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Latin
Nice comment ... --Roland2 22:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If the Latin Wikipedia is not worth some sentences on page "Latin" (sic!) in the English WP ... ok, then it is really irrelevant. --Roland2 02:09, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Infobox Biography
Template:Infobox Biography has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for deletion. Thank you. DreamGuy 07:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Attila
Hi there !

I saw your name on the page of Atilla the Hun. You wrote his story. However, I think there is a quite misunderstanding about the origin of European Huns. You wrote that they were proto Mongol nomad tribe. Mongols came to scene of history in 9th century. But European Huns lived in between 4th and 5th centuries. Of course, their origin is not exactly clear, but there is a common idea that they should be called a Turkic tribe as the other tribes which maintained their lives in Central Asia.

This is beacuse, Turk is a general name of families who lived in Central Asia. and interestingly, this name was firstly used by a Hun king, Teoman. After having countless war for taking over control of other tribes, he achieved to be the king of all families. Unfortunately, wars went on for his idea.

Secondly, the name comes from Persian sources as Tura. At this time, in the Persian sources, mostly Firdavsi, used Tura to identify Central Asia. The word of Turain, is a word which was breeded from the name of Central Asia, Tura.

Consequently, Could you, please, fix this misunderstanding ?

Note : if there is a wrong words on my essay, because of my keybord. I dropped my coffe on it. It doesn't work properly.

--hybrid lily 09:46, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Replied on Talk:Attila the Hun. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 15:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

impressed
Hi Mirv, I was very impressed by your talk on the Norman Finkelstein article. It seems that you are voice of sanity amid the emotionalism of people on both the right (leumi) and left (moon cheese guy).

I appreciated your sentiment that it's best to let the facts come out and let people decided for themselves. I don't think the other two people realize that by misquoting or not quoting relevent they end up making trouble for themselves. Because while the average person will read the misinformation and be fooled; the above-average person - i.e. the person *who makes a difference* will realize that the information is false and then will become prejudiced against the misleading source.

On the other hand, if you simply tell the truth then while someone who is foolish may misinterpret the facts, the wise person, that is again, the person *who makes a difference* will figure it out.

For myself, I now will take what you write a lot more seriously, especially when I don't like it or disagree with it, because I see that you are trustworthy. On the other hand Mr. Moon Cheese and Mr. Leumi are two people who I will take less than seriously.

-ron

Wikimedia Canada
Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there! -- user:zanimum

Iranian copyrights - Nazislam.jpg
No I have not forgotten the discussions we had on this issue, it is just that upon further research it turns out that you were perhaps uninformed on the actual copyright status for Iranian works. see this chart if you have any doubts about its copyright status. Here is a chart that you can refer to, the relevant section being towards the bottom. http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm --CltFn 05:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course you are neglecting to mention that the photographer is a Lebanese employee of AFP, not an Iranian citizen. Are you suggesting that all works created in Iran are public domain? If I write a book in Iran, then bring it back to the U.S. for publication, are you really suggesting my book is not copyrightable? Rhobite 05:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well if he was a resident of Iran, regardless of his nationality or work affiliation then the copyright is in the public domain according to what the copyright chart states.Incidentaly where did you get that photographer's information you mention?--CltFn 05:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * She is a resident of Lebanon. Authorship by Suhaila Sahmarani is established here and Ms. Saharani is Lebanese according to her site: . Furthermore this is all irrelevant, as she was working as an employee of AFP, a French company. Rhobite 05:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We still have to establish whether she was a non-resident or a resident of Iran at the time she took the picture. And this you have not done.--CltFn 05:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you are going to claim that it is not copyrighted because the photographer was resident in Iran and the photograph was first published in Iran then you need to demonstrate that this is indeed the case. You have not; you have merely speculated that it might be true, and that is not sufficient. AFP has lawyers and will use them; perhaps you remember what happened to Google News? &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 07:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, even if it turns out that your speculation is correct (and I don't think it will), Wikipedia policy is to respect Iranian copyright law (Copyrights). Under that copyright law, the image is not in the public domain and will not be until c. 2032. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 08:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

better pic of your eyes
Have you got a larger or better resolution picture of your eyes for the eye color article? It's a great pic, but it would be nice maybe to have a larger pic or one including the rest of your face, if you are not too ugly (which is the reason why I only used a pic of my eyes). From what I saw you look fine. InFairness 00:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have a larger picture, but I could probably take one without too much difficulty. That image is cropped from a full face shot; I've uploaded the same picture to other sites, but Wikipedia is a bit too public for that. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 00:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

WP:LAME
header added

Haha I agree some edit wars are painful. FedEx Pope 20:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably more painful to watch than to participate; some people seem to enjoy that, or at least tolerate it. (I also couldn't think of a succinct way to say that some of them make one lose all faith in humanity. :) &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 20:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Historicity of Jesus
We now have a vote in place that ends on 10th Feb. I have personally contacted User talk:Robsteadman who has agreed to leave well alone for the time being. So can we please have the page unlocked - if it all starts again then lock it back up please as this is so pointless. Thanks. SOPHIA 09:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright then. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 17:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. SOPHIA 20:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Indian cuisine
Oops..an accident. I was intending to put only the on one sentence, but I guess I was working with an older version of the article. Apologies. deeptrivia (talk) 02:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey
Hi, I just wanted to ask you that if you want to change something in someone else's user page, ask them and don't do it yourself! --( Aytakin ) | Talk 00:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to apoligize because I agree with you, but I was just saying what would be nicer. --( Aytakin ) | Talk 02:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Islam
Is it just me, or is WP:POINT supposed to be discouraged, not used as a reason to disrupt WP to make a point? -- Rory 0 96 07:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * it is, but i have found that one highly-pointed and disruptive edit can get a point across quickly and effectively. (in this case, the point was that the introduction need not be cluttered with duplicate citations.) it's my habit to revert myself when i make that kind of edit, but this time you beat me to it. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 07:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok then. :) Rory 0 96 07:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Edits to my user page
Please don't intentionally break my user page's design. Since the hidden links are available in the content or on the talk page, accessibility is not much impaired. Familiarity is irrelevant on a user page. If you have any particular reasons you feel that the design is improper, please discuss on my talk page. Thanks. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 05:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 *  the hidden links are available in the content or on the talk page&mdash;in fact, your layout wipes the contributions, block, e-mail, printable, and permalink links from the toolbox; the history, watch, and move tabs are broken, as are the admin links (protect and delete) and the added admin tabs (block, blocklog) that I and numerous other users add with personal .js files. All the links in the upper right are inaccessible: links to the reader's userpage, talk page, preferences, watchlist, and contributions are gone, as is the logout. Your layout breaks basic site functions in ways that are difficult to get around; this would be a problem in any other page in any other namespace, and it is my opinion that the broad latitude extended to userpages does not cover this. But I won't revert it; let's solicit other opinions in a more public forum. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 05:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Most of those links are available on the talk page, which can be accessed by clicking "talk page" in the content. Most of what's left is useless on the userpage; you have no reason to ever move the page, it should only be deleted in extreme circumstances, and I personally oppose protection of my user page. Those links that aren't accessible on the talk page were added to the content; if you can think of any that I've missed, feel free to point them out. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 05:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

spurious edit
- Hey, a videogame comment snuck in there. -J. Elder
 * Where? In Tacitus? That's taken care of now. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 14:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Penny for your thoughts?
After you restrengthened the wording in Blocking policy I saw the page on my watchlist, and realized that the text standing before the version prior to yours had even stronger language (strictly prohibited). So I reverted to that older version but merged back in the trimming. In the course of doing so, I removed some language which I viewed as fully redundant but which could also be seen as limiting the scope of blocking between editors in dispute only to cases where the dispute was over the content of an encyclopedia article. This interpertation didn't occur to me until that aspect of my changes was reverted. I find that position, if I'm not misunderstanding it, to be somewhat puzzling. I posted a query on the talk page but have not had any response pro or con. In the interest of either closing the matter before I forget about it, or possibly getting a response from anyone who disagrees I'm going to go ahead and revert to my last version after I return from dinner. Since you recently edited the page I thought it would be useful to ping you for your input before I went ahead and changed it back. --Gmaxwell 23:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Source of a quote attributed to Plutarch
The quote "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled" is attributed to Plutarch on your site. However, no source is cited. Wishing to pinpoint the source, I have spent the past 2 hours, without success, checking many, many other websites, hoping to find a verifiable citation.

Can you provide me with a good citation for it?

My Email address is [removed].

Thank you, in advance, for your generous assistance.

P.S. I really enjoy Wikipedia. When I was school aged, if the public library was closed, information was unavailable... and I lived more than an hour away from the closest library.


 * e-mail sent. If anyone's curious, it's from his essay On Listening to Lectures. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 03:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Rembrandt
Re Rembrandt and its Dab, i may be simply being lazy or thick, but i'm so far failing to reconstruct from the histories and logs what it was you were fixing March 2. I'd have thot i could see more, at least in the summaries, if you moved revisions w/ only cut-and-pasted content back to where they were copeid from (to avoid leaving those revisions in the history of the wrong article?). (Ever paranoid, i'd be grateful to know whether i overlooked or screwed up something Feb 15, in what i recall as a restoration of title, and perhaps of a cut and paste.) --Jerzy•t 06:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * what happened was, Rembrandt was cut-and-pasted to Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn, then converted into a disambig page. all the edits to the article stayed where they were. you (no doubt making the fair assumption that the initial move had been executed properly) moved several years worth of edits to Rembrandt to Rembrandt (disambiguation), then moved Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn back to Rembrandt. I noticed that the edit history only seemed to go back about two weeks, which was of course ludicrous; finding the lost edits under Rembrandt (disambiguation), I (in something like this order):


 * Deleted Rembrandt
 * Deleted Rembrandt (disambiguation)
 * Restored the revisions of the latter in which it was an article, not a disambiguation page
 * Moved those revisions to Rembrandt
 * Restored the two weeks worth of edits under that title
 * Restored the revisions of the disambiguation page in which it was a disambiguation page


 * thus shuffling almost all the edits back to the proper histories. i think i left the initial redirect revision of Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn in the history of Rembrandt, but that's not so important. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 06:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

_ _ OK, an innocent assumption on my part, but a negligent one; i expect myself to spot c&p mvs, and i'm embarrassed not to have done so. _ _ One last question, if you've got the time: AFAI can see, the logs support the essentials of that scenario, including the checking of 364 boxes to effect the 1st restoration. Now that i grasp that selective restoration is a means of splitting a history (and not just of selective suppression of revisions from the history), i am hopeful that your sequencing of the fix took advantage of an automated box-checking tool. Otherwise i conclude that there is either a policy objection or a technical barrier, to this alternative sequence: Mind you, if one has an automated box checker, i of course prefer the sequence you describe. But would there be problems i've missed in using the longer sequence (with its hundreds fewer box checkings)? Thanks for the lesson you've already given, and i'll understand if i have to research and experiment after all, instead of further imposing on you. --Jerzy•t 08:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Delete a scratch-space page in user namespace to make room for them
 * 2) Delete as you did
 * 3) Delete as you did
 * 4) Hand-check and restore the dozen or so Dab-content revisions on Rembrandt (disambiguation)
 * 5) Stash them by renaming it to the user-namespace page
 * 6) Mass-restore the remaining 364 to Rembrandt (disambiguation)
 * 7) Move them to Rembrandt
 * 8) Restore the two weeks' worth from Rembrandt to join them
 * 9) Delete the scratch page
 * 10) Check the same dozen or so, and restore them to the scratch page
 * 11) Rename it, moving them to Rembrandt (disambiguation)
 * 12) Mass-restore to the scratch page its old revisions


 * there's an automated box-checking bookmarklet you can use:
 * which makes selecting many revisions very easy. It works in Firefox; I don't know about other browsers. if it doesn't, then your method seems like it would be easier. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 16:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * which makes selecting many revisions very easy. It works in Firefox; I don't know about other browsers. if it doesn't, then your method seems like it would be easier. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 16:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your generosity with your time, and for the alert (whether intended or not). I don't have the immediate need, but i am copying that to my "Neat stuff to consider adopting" section, believing the time when i need it will undoubtedly come. --Jerzy•t 18:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Melf
Please see the Melf talk page for this issue.Robbstrd 21:11, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Melf.--Robbstrd 23:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Robbstrd 00:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Something similar happened with Serten (or was that Tenser), but i don't know who deleted that one (there is no log as far as i can tell), though i fixed it.

Temple Mount
Hey Mirv, regarding the Uzi Narkiss comment about blowing up the Dome of the Rock, I wouldn't think JCPA is really that neutral, but in this case I don't have that much of a problem with it, I still think you should also cite the Haaretz article like you said. Also I kinda take issue with it being in the current section, instead of showing a real argument that exists for Jewish claims of exclusivity it shows an event when a rabbi wanted to blow up the dome of the rock, I fail to see the relavence to section's title.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 02:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

?
marys sister is ok Y is my post off color Caddius888 08:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:AN
Thanks for your post to WP:AN. I have phoned the Foundation and Danny is jumping on this as his highest priority. Johntex\talk 18:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

nasher
[heading added]

hi mirv,

I read the article about the Nasher. Besides the Jungle book part, the information is correct. You should put it back online. I put some effort in and got you some links:

About the Nasher as Ghilzai Khans: http://www.afghanland.com/history/leaders/leaders.html
 * content mentioning Nashers: " 1707 	 1709  	 Khan Nasher leads the Ghilzai to Persia". Confirms nothing in the article. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

About Gholam Rabani Nasher in the Loya Jirga: http://www.institute-for-afghan-studies.org/Constitutions/LIST_OF_MEMBERS_OF_THE_AFGHAN_CONSTITUTIONAL_LOYA_JIRGA.htm
 * confirms the existence of Gholam Rabani Nasher. This was not in doubt. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

About Shir Khan Nasher: http://www.humanrights.uio.no/forskning/publ/nr/2005/1405.pdf
 * this is at least worth following up&mdash;I'd be interested to know where the authors of this got their information. (I hope it wasn't from Wikipedia.) &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

A map with Shir Khan Bandar on: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html
 * Confirms the existence of the city. This is not in doubt. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

About Gholam Serwar Nasher: http://www.afgha.com/?af=who&op=read&id=207.de
 * confirms some of the information in the article Gholam Serwar Nasher. Confirms nothing about any other Nashers. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

More about Gholam Serwar Nasher: http://www.answers.com/topic/gulbuddin-hekmatyar
 * copies of Wikipedia articles verify nothing. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

About the Nasher Collection: http://www.paris4.sorbonne.fr/fr/article.php3?id_article=2565 Objets islamiques de la collection Sarouar Nasher
 * Someone named Sarouar (the French Romanization of Serwar?) Nasher existed. This was not in question. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

About Spinzar: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Kunduz
 * copies of Wikipedia articles verify nothing. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

For books on the subject, I highly recommend: "The Light Garden of the Angel King: Travels in Afghanistan" by Peter Levi Paperback: 230 pages; Publisher: Pallas Athene (UK) (May 2001)
 * I meant to check this out last time the Nashers surfaced. I'll try again. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

in German: "Afghanische Reise" by Roger Willemsen February 2006.
 * I can't read German. perhaps I can track down a copy and find a translator. Do you have page numbers? &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Enjoy!

Peter I.


 * (p.s. Peter I. shares an ISP and some rather esoteric interests with the same person who very recently tried to blank User:Mirv/Nasher. An interesting coincidence, no doubt.) &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 04:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Charles,

About the Willemsen book: it's scattered with information about the Nasher, hence no specific page number.

About the points I tried to make with the links: every piece of information of the article is confirmed here and there on the web or in books. For instance: the claim that the Nasher led led the Ghilzai is not pointless but it states that the Nasher were indeed Ghilzai Khans, once again: http://www.afghanland.com/history/leaders/leaders.html

Another source that states that the Nasher were the founders and heads of the Spinzar Company: http://www.khyber.org/pashtotribes/k/kharoti.shtml

http://www.institute-for-afghan-studies.org/HistoricalResearchCorner/ACFAE9.pdf (page 52)

In the Book "A Bibliographical Dictionary of Contemporary Afghanistan" by Ludwig Adamec, published in 1967, it says about

About Gholam Serwar Nasher: "President of the Spinzar Cotton Company 1963-1973"

and it says about Gholam Nabi Nasher (spelled Nashir in the book): "Born in 1927, son of Shir Khan Nashir, Senator of Meshrano Jirga from Kunduz, member of 11th parliament. Member of Loya Jirga 1964."

As I see it, pretty much all the claims of the article are now quite substantiated, be it about Sher Khan, about Gholam Serwar, Gholam Nabi, Farhad Darya, Gholam Rabani, the Spinzar Company, Kunduz, being Khans of the Ghilzai etc. It's not correct to have this article completely removed from the dictionary. If you really think some information are not accurate please improve them. But you cannot ban the whole article. The problem is that when you call it a hoax and people like us (I am an author/journalist writing about the region) write background information about the country which is partially in the Nasher-article we could seem like not doing our job properly. That's also why I tried to blank it. Isnt't the idea of Wikipedia for everyone to improve it? Anyway, I am glad to see you are putting so much effort in it. So let's come up with something.

Peter I.


 * here's the problem: assuming (and it seems a fair assumption) that each and every one of these Nashers is real and did what they are claimed to have done, it's still impossible to verify the overarching narrative. do any of these sources connect the Ghilzai khan, the founder of the cotton company, the member of the Loya Jirga, and various others? do they have anything in common besides a name (or is it a title)? were any of them really descended from Mahmud of Ghazni? (and was he really the ancestor of Osman I?) The supposed sources for the article (three books and an article in the 1911 Britannica) don't actually exist, which makes the information highly suspect. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 14:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I can't find these books as well, they are not in the copied Wikipedia-articles so someone must have added them after the article was written (probably a prankster). what we know is this: Gholam Serwar Nasher is - according to the above cited Adamec book - the son of Shir Khan Nasher, so is Gholam Nabi Nasher. According to Farhad Darya's website, he is the grandson of Sher Khan Nasher, also from Kunduz. The article on human rights cited above states that Sher Khan Nasher founded the Spinzar Company and that it was later led by Gholam Serwar Nasher. So the 20th century part is definetely correct.

About the Ghilzai: the Nasher are Ghilzai Khans (see citation above). The reason why it is said that they are descendants of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni is that the people of the Ghilzai tribe are quite certainly the descendants of the Ghaznavids. As a consequence, the Ghilzai Khans claim to be the descendants of the Ghaznavid Sultans. This is a claim made over centuries that it is assumed as correct, even though there is virtually no evidence. As a matter of fact, many historians say that the former Ghaznavids (Nasher) were even the ones that founded the Moghul Dynasty of the Lodi in Delhi, India.

To quote an article about the Ghilzai:

"A few historians consider them the descendants of the pre-Islamic Hephtalites (e.g., Caroe, pp. 81-83, 132); mostly however, it is assumed that the Ghilzai are the descendendants of the Khilji, who lived between the Oxous and Jaxartes and who were led to Afghanistan by Sabuktegin, the Ghaznavid Sultan (Frazer-Tytler, pp. 11-12; Minorsky). Historical reference is first made to the Ghilzai in the early 16th century chronicles (e.g., Babor-nama, tr. Beveridge, p. 323) as a culturally distinct people in Afghanistan."

So the Ghaznavid-Ghilzai part in the article is more or less an assumption about their lineage that noone can either confirm or falsify. If we state that clearly in the article, it should be fine.

A bibliography containing the cited literature and more on the subject (sorry, it's a lot of stuff but worth reading):

J. W. Anderson, Doing Pakhtu: Social Organization of the Ghilzai Pakhtun, Ph.D. diss., University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, 1979. H. W. Bellew, The Races of Afghanistan, London, 1880; repr. New Delhi, 1982. Idem,, An Inquiry into the Ethnography of Afghanistan, London, 1891; repr. Karachi, 1977. A. R. Benawa, Mir Wais Nikka, Kabul, 1946. Idem, Hutakha, Kabul, 1956. W. Bernhard, Etnische Anthropologie von Afghanistan, Pakistan und Kashmir, Stuttgart, 1991. C. E. Bosworth, Khaladji. History, in EI2 IV, pp. 917-18. Burke's Royal Families of the World, Volume II: Africa & The Middle East. Burke's Peerage Ltd., London 1980. J. S. Broadfoot, Reports on Parts of the Ghilzi Country, and on Some of the Tribes in the Neighborhood of Ghazni, JRGS, Supplementary Papers 1, 1886, pp. 341-400. F. C. Burton, History and Origin of the Ghilzais, Collected from Information Received through the Khans of the Tezin, the Ahmadzai Khans, and the Sehak Khan of Sarobi, National Archives of India, 1880, F-No.-5, pp. 1-6. O. Caroe, The Pathans: 550 B. C.-A. D. 1957, New York, 1958. G. Doerfer et al., Khalaj Materials, Bloomington, Ind., 1971. Idem, Khaladji Language, EI2 IV, p. 918. M. Elphinstone, An Account of the Kingdom of Caubul and its Dependencies in Persia, Tartary, and India, London, 1815, repr., Graz, 1969. Molla Fayzi Muhammad Kateb-e Hazara, Seraj al-tawarikh, 3 vols., Kabul, 1333/1915; vols. 1-2 in one, Tehran, 1372 Hijri (1993); vol. 3 pts. 1-2, Tehran, 1370 Hijri (1991) Idem, Ne‘ad-nama-ye Afgan, eds. K. Yazdani and A.A. Rahimi, Qom, 1372 Hijri (1993) W. M. Floor, The Afghan Occupation of Persia, 1721-1729, Paris, 1998. W. K. Fraser-Tytler, The Ghilzai: Jew, Turk or Pathan?, Eastern World 2/4, 1948, pp. 11-13. R. N. Frye, Ghalzay, in EI2 II, p. 1002. 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Hi Mirv - what happened...?!


 * real life intervened. if you want to write a new article on the subject using these sources, or carefully annotate the old version so the parts that are fictional can be spotted and removed, I'm not going to object. just restoring User:Mirv/Nasher isn't on, though. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 16:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

there we go, made some changes. let me know what you think.

My RfC
An RfC is being prepared against me - You've clashed more than once with me, so I'm guesssing, they'd appreciate your assistance. --Irishpunktom\talk 15:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Tenant farmer
Discussion on Talk:Tenant farmer.

Situation of administrator abuse
spam binned.

Basiji use of roman salute
Hi, you added this to Roman_salute. There's a showing Basijis giving this kind of salute, however, some editors dispute its authenticity. Do you have info on the subject? --tickle me 17:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 'fraid I don't. I got the information from that photograph, so if it's been called into question. . . I've taken the text out of the article for now, and I'll keep you posted if I turn up anything. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 12:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Hi Mirv, I'm fixing Disambiguation links and you have an entry in the IPod Archive that links to the "Medium" disambiguation page. I wanted to get your permission to change it to an actual page such as Mass Media, which I think may have been your intended meaning. Thanks! - Dreadlocke 17:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * the link was in a passage quoted from the article, so I'm not sure what the intended target was. feel free to fix it however you think best. &#8212;Charles P._ (Mirv) 12:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)