User talk:Mishae/Archive 1

Перевод
Здравствуйте. Заметил с позавчера, что Вы переводите стабы о насекомых с ру.ВП, поскольку боты проставляют кучу новых интервик на мои статьи. Чего я хочу сказать. Заметил я, что в этих статьях не хватает тех ссылок в ен.ВП, которые проставлены в оригинальной статье в ру.ВП. Вопрос: почему? Afro-Braz-Ilian talk 08:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Хороший вопрос. Не знаю. А когда я переводил с русского на украинский было тоже самое? Кстати, меня на РуВП заблокировали чуть меньше года назад, но АК может меня разблокировать если будет наставник. Можете ли вы им быть, пожалуйста?--Mishae (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * По какой причине Вас блокировали? /// Наставником, я, не буду. Да и какой лично Вам нужен наставник? Чем он Вам мог бы помочь? /// Ну а источники нужно все проставлять. Я приблизительно догадываюсь почему Вы не расставляете референсы, наверное из-за того, что всех их нельзя просто скопировать и вставить в ен.ВП, а нужно ещё изменить шаблон на англоязычный, и тд. Но, есть простой выход.. можно просто со статьи из ру.ВП, когда Вы её только открыли - то есть читательное, а не редакционное окошко, и скопировать источник - просто выделив от автора до конца названия книги или статьи и вставить новый референс в ен.ВП под удобным Вам названием, и раскидав как раскидано по переведённой статье.

Приведу пример:

Вот атлас-определитель агиртидов, реферанс, который правильно подогнан под шаблон "Книга" в ру.ВП: Может показаться, что нужно брать английский шаблон и подгонять под него, вставляя авторов в топик aut, название статьи в name и т.д. Но совсем не обязательно так делать, да и переводить, это лично мне кажется, нелепостью, можно просто выделить со статьи → Николаев Г. В. и Козьминых В. О. Жуки-мертвоеды (Coleoptera: Agrytidae, Siplhidae) Казахстана, России и ряда сопредельных стран. Определитель — Алматы: «Ќазаќ университеті», 2002. — С. 36. — 159 с. — ISBN 9965-12-134-6.

и вставить в под этим же названием, либо под другим, Вам придуманным. А название статьи, книги выделить наклонным шрифтом.

На этом моё наставничество заканчивается. Afro-Braz-Ilian talk 18:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Странно, вы отказываетесь быть моим наставником, но инетересуетесь за что меня заблокировали? Ладно, история будет длинная: Дело в том что из за своей болезни я могу быть очень резким человеком, поэтому не удержался и ляпнул чего не надо. Все началось с того что я решил по редактировать весь кинематограф, может быть я это делал не так как "они хотели". Дело в том, что мне какой-то участник сказал что года в статьях про людей можно и не викифицировать. При том при всем, это был администратор, а не просто "участник"! Я послушался и начал девикифицировать года. После чего, посыпались сообщения на моё СО впредь до предупреждений. Не говоря уже о том что я терпеть не могу когда кто-то "врываеться" в моё СО, с "криком" Остановитесь. Я решил это "предупреждение" удалить через полгода, но администратор поставил его на место. Однако, ведь можно все сообщения просматривать через "просмотр истории"? Ибо по ихним правилам было сказано что "предупреждения потерявшые актуальность могут быть удалены не ранее чем через неделю". Дальше идёт другая "петрушка": Дело в том, что первые 4 мои статьи про кинематограф, были нарушением авторских прав, что в прочем не самое лучшее, но как первые статьи это простительно. Так шёл месяц, другой, мои статьи стали получаться лучше, притензий не у кого не было. Вдруг, я решил по редактировать и началось. Моё СО было завалено предупреждениями, даже сравнением меня с одним из заблокированых участников, что меня в обще взбесило. Чем люди были не довольны ума не прилажу. Вроде бы в РуВики есть правило "правьте смело", которое я взял на вооружение. Но как мне пояснили, "вы занимаетесь разпатрулированием статей", т.е, я накручиваю счётчик правок. А как мне делать правки без этого? После этого я решил: "Ладно, мои правки им не нравяться, я напишу новую статью, плюс, меня уже давно просили об этом". Что я и сделал. За весь год я создал 124 статьи в РуВики, что в сумме стаж участника, а не вандала, которым они меня называли там. Я создал очередную статью, и опять у меня вышел, к сожалению, плагиат. Меня выдали предупреждение, типа: "ещё раз увижу, зблокирую". Я решил это предупреждение удалить, заметив что моё СО уже кишит всякими предупреждениями, и другими репликами. Потом мне объяснили что "участник не имеет право удалять сообщения за искючением вандальных или пустых реплик". Мне казалось, что большинство реплик на моей СО были пустыми, поэтому я удалил предупреждение ещё раз, на сей раз другое. После этого, мне было выдано последнее предупреждение которое патрулирующий назвал "китайским". Не понимаю при чём тут это, и в обще не зная шутки такой я удалил его "китайское предупреждение", после чего настала блокировка. Озверевший на всю ситуацию я выяснил что патрулирующий работает над проектом "Израиль", а значит еврей. Я, со злобы, послал следующее сообщение заблокировавшему меня администратору, Андрею Романенко (знаете такого?): "Мало вас немцы били!" "Чтоб вы сдохли!", и всё такое. Сообразив что я слишком "горячо" высказался, я послал ему извинения, но было уже поздно. Вся "административная орава" уже кричала "в бессрочку его!", которую я потом и получил. И не одну, а две сразу. Одну, за удаление предупреждения, а второе, за оскорбление, за которые я правда извинился. После этого, я подал иск в АК. Но наглые администраторы включили автоблокировку, о которой я не знал. А арбитры отказали мне в разблокировке, из за её обхода. В настоящий момент я жду, что бы подать ещё раз, через 3 месяца. АК сказал что он может меня разблокировать только если у меня будет наставник, ибо так решила эта "тройка". В прочем, зря я вам это говорю, вы моим наставником все равно там не будете... Если я чего-то сказанул что являеться "оскорблением" в той или иной форме, прошу прощения.--Mishae (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * А, ясно. Ну, что я могу сказать... не надо было девикифицировать то, о чём сказано - "...не обязательно викифицировать...". С оскорблениями и выведением из себя, я и сам попадал, и даже два раза был блокирован... причина я молод и латыш, то есть не русский, и русским не владею, не то чтобы совсем, а не в совершенстве. Но как Вы могли заметить, по моему с Вами диалогу, это не совсем так. Да, и это не значит если участник участник какому-нибудь национального или этнического проекта сам такой. Но иногда... . Я думаю, что Вам больше повезёт в этом проекте, нежели в ру.ВП. Afro-Braz-Ilian  talk 16:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Спасибо за моральную поддержку, вы настоящий друг. Не то что эти на руВики которым любой "пук", выше нормы! Вот и я об этом. Если хотите, можете взглянуть на мою статью. Вас блокировали на максимум три дня, меня бессрочно. Две разные вещи. В русской Википедии плохо понимают юмор. Вам повезло а они могли вам за шутку тоже впаять, они же в руВики очень обидчивые. Советую вам перейти в [ http://traditio-ru.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0 Традицию], там все равны.--Mishae (talk) 02:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * О Традиции знаю, один участник предлагал взять участие в данном проекте, но я скажу Вам, что мне не по душе данный проект. Причина тому - мне нужны подтверждённые данные и конкретика, с указанием всех источников, которые использовались при написании, там тоже можно, но только можно, и нет правила ОРИСС как в ВП. /// Дабы меня не блокировали навечно - бессрочно я старался обходить грубость и обзывания. ||| Я могу Вам предлагать создавать, то есть давать ссылки на те тексты, которые Вы можете переводить на энглиш проставляя в них все мною проставленные ссылки и Вы будете здесь в почёте.  Afro-Braz-Ilian  talk 15:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Договорились! Я бы мог обойтись без грубостей и обзываней, но прочитайте мую страницу участника, и вы поймете почему не в силах иногга это сделать, особенно если меня критикуют, и правацируют. Я очень плохо воспренимаю критику, просто хочу предупредить, что бы не было как в РуВики. Что косаеться ссылок в Традиции, вы имеете полное право перевести любую статью из РуВики в Традицию, и ни кто вам ни чего не скажет. Единственное что нужно будет сделать это поставить шаблон Википедия, и вставить ссылку на википедийскую статью.--Mishae (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Про то, что и как в Традиции можно править я знаю, уже участвовал. /// Читал. /// Я постепенно правлю свои старые статьи в ру.ВП и выписываю исправленные в отдельную собственнуюстраничку, тоже самое я делаю с хорошими новыми статьями. Эти списки постоянно обновляю, по ним Вы можете ссылаться на те статьи в которых оптимальная (о количестве информации) и подтверждённая информация, и переводить на английский. Желаю удачи. Если какие вопросы будут возникать в процессе, то пишите мне в СО в ен.ВП, я часто хожу сюда статьи читать. Afro-Braz-Ilian  talk 04:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Stories Project
Привет!

Меня зовут Виктор, и я рассказчик с Wikimedia Foundation, некоммерческая организация, которая поддерживает Википедию. Я хронику вдохновляющие истории общины Википедии по всему миру, в том числе и от читателей, редакторов и доноров. Истории совершенно необходимы для любой некоммерческой, чтобы убедить людей, чтобы поддержать дело, и мы знаем, обширная сеть людей, которые делают и используют Википедии так много акций.

Я чистящих страниц пользователей ищет вдохновлять, мотивировать и интересных историй о том, как Википедия влияют на жизнь людей. Я задавал вопросы вроде "Как Википедия изменила вашу жизнь?", "Какая самая интересная история у вас есть о Википедии?" и "Википедии ли когда-нибудь вас удивило?"

В прошлом году мы использовали ежегодный сбор средств как способ показать миру, кто есть кто на самом деле пишет Википедия. Мы признакам редакторов из Бразилии, Украины, Аргентины, Саудовской Аравии, Кении, Индии, США и Англии. Эта кампания имела огромный успех, в результате чего наиболее финансово успешных кампании по сбору средств никогда. Кроме того, было кампании, остался верен духу Википедии, просвещение общественности, что это бесплатно ТОП-5 Сайт создан добровольцами, как ты и я

В этом году мы хотим выделить еще русский язык Википедии редакторов, так что я нахожусь в процессе планирования поездки в Россию в интервью редакторам.

Если вы или кто-то из ваших знакомых (или слышали о) была положительно сказалось на Wikipedia, или есть что-то интересное, чтобы сказать о Википедии я бы очень хотел бы услышать об этом!

Пожалуйста, дайте мне знать, если вы склонны к участию в проекте Википедия истории, или если вы знаете кого-то еще, с кем я должен говорить.

Конечно, если у вас есть какие-либо вопросы или сомнения, пожалуйста, обращайтесь! Я отвечу, как только смогу. Я приношу извинения за любые плохой перевод этого письма, я использую Google-перевод. Я надеюсь, что заставляет вас смеяться :)

Спасибо за ваше время,

Victor Grigas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

__________________________________

Hi!

My name is Victor and I'm a storyteller with the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that supports Wikipedia. I'm chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community around the world, including those from readers, editors, and donors. Stories are absolutely essential for any non-profit to persuade people to support the cause, and we know the vast network of people who make and use Wikipedia have so much to share.

I'm scouring user pages looking for inspiring, motivating and interesting stories of how Wikipedia has affected the lives of people. I'm asking questions like "How has Wikipedia changed your life?", "What's the most interesting story you have about Wikipedia?" and "Has Wikipedia ever surprised you?"

Last year, we used the annual fundraiser as a way to show the world who it is who actually writes Wikipedia. We featured editors from Brazil, Ukraine, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, India, United States and England. This campaign was a huge success, resulting in the most financially successful fundraising campaign ever. It was also a campaign that stayed true to the spirit of Wikipedia, educating the public that this free top-5 website is created by volunteers like you and I.

This year we want to highlight more Russian-language Wikipedia editors, so I am in the process of planning a trip to Russia to interview editors.

If you or someone you know (or have heard about) has been positively affected by Wikipedia, or have something interesting to say about Wikipedia I'd very much like to hear about it!

Please let me know if you're inclined to take part in the Wikipedia Stories Project, or if you know someone else with whom I should speak.

Of course, if you have any questions or concerns, please ask! I will answer as soon as I can. I apologize for any poor translation of this letter, I am using Google-translate. I hope it makes you laugh :)

Thank you for your time,

Victor Grigas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

Victor Grigas (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

SIA project!
Hey Misha! So happy that you came by the Smithsonian Institution Archives project and signed up to participate! We've got a great list of subjects that need to be improved upon or written about. I do hope you'll visit the to-do list and dive in - do let me know if you need anything. And of course, your contributions can earn you the official oh so fancy SIA barnstar :) Thanks again! So happy to have you on board! SarahStierch (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
hey mishae! thanks for ur contributions! :) Thanks Mishae, for starting a new article on Truncatella californica, a species of gastropod! The folks at WikiProject Gastropods are grateful for a new stub to improve our coverage. Invertzoo (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You are so wellcome! I will try to find some more, and maybe expand on the genus.--Mishae (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you are kind. Also thanks for the two Bullina articles. Invertzoo (talk) 10:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, you are so welcome. I hope not only the folks, but the gastropods themselves are grateful too! Hey, its the articles about us, weeeee!! :)

Sincerely,

Gastropods.--Mishae (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Your post on my talk page
Sorry, I was taking a break. Not sure I have time to help right now in any case, but if it's an emergency, of course. Dougweller (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You may try. I was warned once more for copyvio, this time it was close paraphrasing. I'm just afraid that I might get blocked if I will do it one more time! And you know, I don't have intention to violate any policies on Wikipedia, including copyvio.--Mishae (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Linking to disambiguation pages
Hello, Mishae, and thank you for your edits. Your recent edits to Elipsocus pumilis, Ectopsocus briggsi, Ectopsocus petersi and other similar pages included a number of links to disambiguation pages. These include Ash, Elder, and Lime. I've corrected several of these, but you may want to have a look back at these and other pages you edited to ensure that there are no more links to disambiguation pages, or that my repairs have not accidentally linked to the wrong page. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Species from Great Britain, most of them have a larger distribution in Europe
Hello Mishae, great to see you are still making species articles, keep it up! Would you be so kind to use Fauna Europaea for European species next to the source you are already using? You are now saying a species is found in Great Britain and Ireland, but most of these species have a much wider distribution. You can easily find the distribution (within Europe) of ALL European animals by using Fauna Europaea. Go to, Put the name of the genus in the field "(Sub) Genus" and the name of the species in "(Sub) species" and click search. Click on the species you are looking for in the result page. You get the page displaying the taxonomy of the species (including synonyms). Then scroll down and click "display in table" or "display on map" to see where the species is found in Europe. See for instance for Stenopsocus stigmaticus, a page you made recently. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Common names and italics
Hello Mishae! May I ask why you are moving the italics from the binomial name to the common name, like you did here? Curiously, jonkerz ♠talk 00:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps people would look onto a common name rather than a scientific name. O' and I don't move italics, I just add 2 extra (') to the bold text. Mean time, I remove the 2 (') from binomial name, in order for it not to look double bolded. If it bothers you, let me know.--Mishae (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * These changes should be reverted since binomial names should always be in italics, while common names should almost never be italicized; this is the style used throughout most of science, and also the style used on Wikipedia (see WP:ITALICS). jonkerz ♠talk 00:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is exactly what I tried to do. How about this: Grey Antbird--Mishae (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The italics on the binomial name is good, but italic type should not be used on common names without a good reason, and your use goes against the established style. See Eurasian Tree Sparrow for an example of a featured article following the manual of style. jonkerz ♠talk 01:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * See, the user before me used bold text on binomial, I decided to correct it which ended up with this for example: Grey Antbird. Now, am I did this article right or not?--Mishae (talk) 01:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is how it should look. I only removed the italics from the common name. jonkerz ♠talk 01:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I apologize for anything that I did wrong, by trying to do it right.--Mishae (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem :) Keep up the good work, cheers, jonkerz ♠talk 01:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Before you go, question, is it the same with every animal? Because I used to do insects and I did the same thing there, no body told me though it was a mistake.--Mishae (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

(outdent) Yes, the same style should be used on all animal (and plant) articles. I corrected a few articles linked from your user page. Many other have been edited by other users, such as this article (the same user also posted a message to your talk page here). Here is an excerpt from WP:ITALICS about when italics should be used:

"Genus and all lower taxa (including species and subspecies), but not higher taxa. The entire scientific name should be italicized, except where an author, 'cf.', or some other interpolation is included in or appended to the name. (See for details.)"

If you're not certain, you can try to follow the link and see how it was done in that article. For example, on Early sunshiner, Carabidae should not be in italics, but Amara should. And Early sunshiner should be in bold because it's the article's title, and Amara famelica should be in italics because it's a binomial name.

I have to go to sleep now, but feel free to ask me anything if you have any questions, and I'll answer them in the morning. jonkerz ♠talk 01:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

commas and parentheses
Hi, Mishae. I see you're changing lead sentences in biology articles from the form "The Crimson-collared Tanager, Ramphocelus sanguinolentus," to the form "The Crimson-collared Tanager (Ramphocelus sanguinolentus),". Thanks for making them conform with the MOS. However, please note that when you do that, you should delete the second comma as well, so it should look like "The Crimson-collared Tanager (Ramphocelus sanguinolentus) is a rather small Middle American songbird." See Manual of Style/Lead_section. Thank you. &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've fixed that article and Lazuli Bunting. You did it correctly at Rufous-bellied Saltator. &mdash;JerryFriedman  (Talk) 05:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for not blocking me, altough unfortunately, I already did the same thing to fishes and mammals alike.--Mishae (talk) 09:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Persondata
Why are you removing persondata templates from articles? Deor (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If the userbox is present why should the person data be there? Besides, there is more info in the texabox then in persondata, don't you think?--Mishae (talk) 02:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Click on the link in my post above. Persondata is metadata that serves a different purpose from the displayed infoboxes in articles. Please revert your removals of these templates. Deor (talk) 03:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I read it, but what purpose does it serve? Doesn't it takes some gigs away, like gigs on Wikiservers? By the way, I don't have any reverting tools such as HotCat and others, so can you do it for me. I will stop. Plus, from what I can tell only English, German, French, Polish, and Spanish have it, others don't, so whats the point?--Mishae (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't use automated tools either, so I've asked at Administrators' noticeboard/Archive236 for someone to revert the removals. The relevant passage in the page I directed you to explains that persondata "unlike conventional Wikipedia content, can be automatically extracted and processed by cataloging tools and then used for a variety of purposes, such as providing advanced search capabilities, statistical analysis, automated categorization, and birthday lists". The information in infoboxes can't be used for these purposes. Deor (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * O.K. So, I stoped. Questions: 1. Is it designed for Wikipedia staff only (as far as I can tell from your post)? and 2. Why does Wikipedia need Categorization or Birthday lists in persondata if the userbox have exactly the same info, if not more detailed such as alma mater and other stuff, which all of the persondata lacks off? I'm sorry if I did something wrong, hope I won't be blocked!--Mishae (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just finished reverting all of those edits (I think). Please do not do that again. The PERSONDATA is in the article for external websites to scan from database dumps because it is in machine-readable format. The infoboxes are so varied and commonly contain references that computers cannot parse the data. And no, I'm not going to block you. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification Reaper, I am personaly sorry if I caused any destraction toward your site. Sometimes I use the common sense, but sometimes I lack of it. Plus, since I don't know Java, HTML, XML, or SQL scripts, my common sense versus computer language is apparently pointless. Again sorry if I caused any major trouble.--Mishae (talk) 03:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Mishae, not to beat a dead horse (I think you have the idea now) but the equivalent of Persondata exists on around twenty Wikipedias including German de:Vorlage:Personendaten and French fr:Modèle:Métadonnées personne. Thanks for understanding, cheers!  --joe deckertalk to me 03:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You see, my assumption was at first, that PERSONDATA was used so that people could put an infobox instead of the PERSONDATA, and that was the reason why I deleted it. My other assumption was that it might take som gigs away, and perhaps thats the main reason why other Wikis such as Russian, Ukranian and Belarussian, among others, don't use it. But if its a useful tool, and it doesn't take a lot of space, despite having all caps, then I won't mess with it. Another question though, if its used to scan from database dumps of the external websites, why can't we use the same thing for every article? Every article is online based, so therefore, shouldn't it be used in every article, like animals for example?--Mishae (talk) 04:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I can only answer some of those questions, if you want a smarter/deeper discussion on this I'd suggest here as a start.
 * But a few comments: it's important to understand that PERSONDATA is part of a whole variety of efforts to improve machine usability of the information in Wikipedia.   (See, for example, dbPedia)  And, like most of Wikipedia, it's a work in progress, which may explain why it's not "every" Wikipedia, etc.
 * For machine-usable information, you'd need to create a whole lot of structures for other types of information -- the characteristics important to, and generally available for people (birth date, occupation) don't necessarily make sense for biological species, or films, or... so longer term semantic machine-processable information would need to expand its range of templates, or ...  well, we'll have to see.  It may be (and again, WT:PERSONDATA is a better place to ask) this information will become a part of the new Wikidata initiative, but if it does, that information will have to come from somewhere, and right now the existing supply of PERSONDATA templates is in many ways the most reliable single place to start getting that information.
 * Hope this helps! --joe deckertalk to me 05:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There is something similar already in use, WikiProject Microformats/hcard. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, thats explain everything for me! So far I know of WikipediaCommons.--Mishae (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia never takes "som gigs away". Edits, deletions, and other actions only ever increase the size of the database. Uncle G (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Uncle G, can you please not mock my spelling. Plus, how do I know, as I said before, I don't know any computer language such as SQL and others. Thanks though, for your explanation.--Mishae (talk) 13:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Kiddo, that's quotation, not mockery. Any mockery exists solely in your mind, as it plainly doesn't exist in the above. Uncle G (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Uncle G, that is not wholly correct, though it is a message that needs constantly hammering home at RfD. While all edits do increase the size of the basic database, it is possible to increase it by less by making certain other changes at the same time, the "action" that reduces the saved page size, can reasonably be said to be decreasing the size of the database.  For example removing all trailing spaces (from content pages alone) would decrease the size of the database by a significant amount (substantially over 30M), and every time a version of all pages was saved another 30M would be saved. So over about 30 edits a gig is saved.  That is substantial. Add the mirrors, backups, copies and data dumps and the amount multiplies up substantially. Moreover reductions in page size do reduce the size of some of the XML dumps. Again many many copies of these are made, so we are talking significant amounts of disk, bandwidth, electricity, cost, CO2 etc. Thirdly, and somewhat tangentially, intelligent template coding can  sometimes reduce the size of rendered pages substantially, although WP pages carry a massive overhead of cruft that we cannot affect. Rich Farmbrough, 16:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC).


 * You're going to confuse poor Mishae with this, especially with the Newspeak that "increasing the size of database by less than it could be increased by" equals "decreasing the size of the database". Away to The Pump with you, stingy whitespace-scrimper!  &#9786; Uncle G (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Uncle G, as you can see I am not blind, and yes, I can tell the difference between quotation and mockery. I maybe miss understood you, but I certanly won't say "Any mockery exists solely in your mind", just because I miss understood you. To be honest, you are not perfect either (at least I think that, not all humans think the same). For example you wrote: "only ever". To me, that might be an incorect spelling of English, but how do I know. I'm Russian, I also have autism (if you didn't read my userpage yet). I don't even know what version of English do you speak, American, Australian, or British? And no, its not Rich Farmbrough that confuses me, its unfortunately you! At least the mentioning of The Pump was in my opinion unnecessary, not to mention I don't know anything about that either. Now, unlike Joe Decker, you are just started beating a dead horse (i.e. started a whole new discussion out of nothing). Do you want to continue? Fine, I will be more then happy to argue, and maybe either win or lose it. As far as sending Rich Farmbrough to The Pump, how about you turn yourself to the RfD? Maybe you will learn a thing or two.--Mishae (talk) 22:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as this quotation from Rich Farmbrough goes: "Again many many copies of these are made, so we are talking significant amounts of disk". Bingo! That means that the more data we have in our Wikipedia the more disc space we need (i.e. buying new servers, etc). On whose money are we buying it? Aha! Ours. Yes, our money that we donate to this wonderful site goes to Wikimedia foundation to pay for servers and other technical stuff such software, and probably, yes, even the PERSONDATA (however, I might be wrong). I know that some of it goes into Jimbo Wales's and his 3 admins account as well, but thats another story for another discussion, which I don't want to start. On the other hand (since that data means articles), the more we have that data, the more users would come to join the project.--Mishae (talk) 23:19, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Green-backed Sparrow
Thanks for letting me know, Misha, though I had nothing to do with that article. I definitely agree that detailed information on subspecies and distribution is valuable. I copyedited your additions. &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 00:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Dead BirdLife link and autopatrol
Hi again. The problem with the BirdLife link at Saffron-billed Sparrow was that it referred to the 2004 version, which is no longer available. I updated it to a link to the 2008 version (following the form at Common Tern, which is a featured article). I had to search BirdLife to find the ID number of the species.

I don't know what you mean by "autopatrol". If it's something only admins can do, I'm not an admin. If you just mean to put them on my watchlist, I'll do that.

Does that help? &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 03:26, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've never used AWB or any bot. &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 04:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Ryan Vesey Review me!  19:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Misha, you have called User:Stemonitis and me "reverting scum" and "fascistic". This is not acceptable language, and if I notice you referring to me or any other editor in similar way again I will report it at WP:ANI. Pam D  22:51, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Boo-hoo-hoo. The more you sent me threats like this the more I will say it. Infact thats actually the reason why I called you a "fascist". Because instead of ignoring my harsh dialogue you guys go rogue on it! I need help, not warnings, and not bans.

"if I notice you referring to me or any other editor in similar way again I will report it at WP:ANI" - If it offends you, and don't want to see it just ignore it! Is it that hard? My other suggestion would if you will just cut both of your eyes out, that might prevent you from seeing my pointless edits, and other crap that I do, that you don't like. Altough I don't want to be blocked by using threats now.--Mishae (talk) 04:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Threats, etc.
Please stop I happened to see the relevant thread at WP:AN/I. If you have a condition on the autism spectrum, I understand that this can complicate your ability to communicate with others--I have volunteered with the special needs community for over a decade and I used to work in a rehab facility for kids with special needs. That makes sense to me. I also understand that if there's a language barrier, it will be tricky to express yourself. But if you know what words like "hate" and "fascist" mean, you also know how to say, "I disagree with you" and "I don't think you understand me." Any time you find yourself writing something that you know will get you in trouble, just delete it, go get something to drink or a bite to eat, and then come back and write your note in a more positive tone. I think everyone here can understand if you're having difficult with communicating, but I don't think anyone here is a bigot toward autistics. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also If you need help with something and think that I can assist you, let me know. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is difficult for me to communicate with people that are against me. I understand that Wikipedia is not a therapy, all I need help with is edits, and understanding other people. The thing is, I don't like forced apoligies, especially when I assume that that person will just say "thanks" and will persist on reverting, which will cause me to do it again, and I don't want that to happen! The thing is is that I am a part of special needs community, and its very difficult for me (despite my high functioning autism) to communicate with normal people in a normal way. You see, I do try my best, but it doesn't work that way. I was forced to cross out my rhetorics under a threat of being banned and people whining. How do you think that make me feel? The people at WP:AN/I don't seem to care! If you can, can you please go to the forum and explain couple of things to them that I just mentioned to you? Thanks! Another thing, can you give your personal e-mail? I think we might understand each other better that way, and maybe even become friends, of which I really want to.--Mishae (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Referencing
Whilst your new articles are appreciated, the sourcing isn't good enough. You just say "Description" etc. Please fill out your sources using proper Citation templates and add title and publisher, author and date of source if applicable and access date. Example♦ Dr. Blofeld  23:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Copyright and paraphrasing
At Sitticus floricola, you wrote "It spins its cocoon in a place where there is tall vegetation". The original source is "It spins a cocoon in tall vegetation such as ...". I think these are too close, and the source doesn't allow commercial use, so we can not in general copy sentences like this. It would be great if you could go over your past contributions where you might have copied like this and fix any of these problems. Thanks, ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 18:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will try my best next time. You see, its difficult for me to tell the difference between close paraphrasing and copyvio. I got for copyvio in trouble on the Russian Wikipedia though. Let me know if you will spot anything else. is hard not to paraphrase you know.--Mishae (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How is it now? Again, just let me know if you see something simmilar. I write a lot, and sometimes I don't have time to go over my sources and varify it.--Mishae (talk) 19:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it's ok now. There really isn't any difference between close paraphrasing and copyright violation—close paraphrasing copyrighted material in a manner inconsistent with its license/fair use/etc is violating copyright. If you don't have time to verify things against sources, then slow down! Do that instead of writing more unverified stuff. But verifying some content doesn't have much to do with avoiding paraphrasing. You seem to operate by finding an article like the ones on britishspiders.org.uk and then attempting to get all the material into the new wikipedia article by rewording everything. I think this is ok, but you just need to be really sure that you use all your own words. It's easy to forget and word it in the way that you just read it, but you need to be sure not to do that. You seem to do a pretty good job of that most of the time, as far as I can tell. Thanks! ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 19:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Tell you what, I sometimes can't trust myself. The thing is, yes, I sometimes do it from one source (particularly spiders and scientists), sometimes 2 if I can find. The problem is, every time I put a name of a scientist for example, the first 10 sites say for example "We found Fabricius on Facebook", or any other scientists last name. So even if write it with the first name like John or Johan, it doesn't make a difference, and I don't have time to go through 1000 sites that the search engine throws on me, and I use all: Yahoo, Google, Google Chrome, Safari or Opera (If I will find a Mac nearby), Bing, you name it. But if I will use all of them I wouldn't have time to write even a stub! Get the point?--Mishae (talk) 20:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't get it, actually, pardon. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 20:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe he is saying that it is often difficult to find sources because of unrelated results in google searches. Mishae, when you do your searches, are you enclosing the first and last name in parentheses?  For example, if I was a scientist, I could search "Ryan Vesey" instead of Ryan Vesey.  Or you could decide that you want to make sure scientist appears so you could search for Ryan Vesey Scientist.  Finally, try checking through Google scholar  and google books . Ryan Vesey  Review me!  20:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thats exactly what I was trying to say. Every search engine carries more than a million sites, which are given to you in 10s on every page. Now, if I will use 2 or 6 engines just to find one person, I wouldn't even have time to write a stub, considering my job, etc. And scientists are hard. Try to find a scientist under the last name of Weisman. The first site you will find will be about Weisman museum, then kitchen, roofing, etc. Go further... Pretty much same thing. Entering first name Donald Weisman. We find lawyers under the same name, Facebook and LinkIn accounts, where no where is mentioned a word entomologist or botanist or any other scientific field. Now got it?--Mishae (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Stalker: For flora and fauna, you can also search, for example:
 * Fabricus site:edu
 * Fabricus site:gov
 * Fabricus site:org
 * Fabricus -com


 * That helps get rid of commercial sites. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for a tip I'll try it, but even with that is confusing. Scientists are ment to be for .edu, but some (if not most) of them own an organization of some kind, so it might fall under .org category as well.--Mishae (talk) 20:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I was going to say the same thing, when there's plenty of google book hits like this there's no excuse to be using shoddy web databases. Google book ref maker will assist you in making quick citations. This sort of thing. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  23:32, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Subspecies
Hello again Mishae, nice to see you are still creating beetle stubs and that you improved a lot! Keep it up. One thing: when you make subspecies, you should not use "binomial" and "binomial authority" but "trinominal" and "trinominal_authority". I fixed this in your recent batch. Furthermore, the link to the species (in the taxobox) in the last batch was bold, while it should be italic. I fixed this too. You should probably add a link to the subspecies on the species page, because at the moment, nothing links to these subspecies. You could consider to add the info about the subspecies to the species page like I always do. See for instance: Pseudacraea dolomena. But if you prefer making pages on the subspecies, feel free to continue. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 18:27, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Dont forget to add "| synonyms =" to the taxobox if you add the synonyms to the article. See for instance your article Carabus perrini perrini, where I added it for you. Cheers!
 * Sorry that I forgot that once, usually I put them in, but some species or subspecies don't have them, so its difficult to know if they have them or not. Thanks for letting me know without blocking! Despite this, how am I doing on the subspecies? Another question: The articles on the subspecies I create are stubs, should we merge them into a species list, so that the reader could read about subspecies on the species article without links to subspecies? Would approve any advice.--Mishae (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned pages
As you may have noticed, many of your pages like Cerobasis denticulata have had Orphan placed on them. The easiest way to de-orphan pages like this is to create a template or navbox that includes a link to all members of the Cerobasis genus. If you create templates for these, and for other articles I have been adding Orphan to, I can use AWB to add the template to all of the articles. Ryan Vesey Review me!  20:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How do I create a navbox?--Mishae (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll attempt to create an example.


 * You could create this at Template:Cerobasis and create similar ones for similar lists. Continue the list by adding the rest of the species. There is no reason to italicize each listing because you can put italics marks around the entire group in the list like I did. Ryan Vesey Review me!  21:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I notice that you have added it to pages. I highly suggest that you create the various navboxes as templates and transclude them to the pages. Ryan Vesey Review me!  21:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Something like this?: Template:Navbox Cerobasis--Mishae (talk) 21:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I was incorrect in the italics information, but I fixed it. I also modified the name parameter, because that is what gives people the ability to edit it. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  21:56, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In addition, remember to remove the orphan tag from anything you add it to. Ryan Vesey Review me!  21:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, I would like to apologize to you for any miss communication we had, and please don't revoke AWB! I didn't ment to use it in a malicius or distructive way, and since you showed me how to do it with a template (of which I didn't knew anything about), it will be great for me to learn how to activate an AWB.

Template:Navbox Agonum
 * Second, I would like to thank you for any assistance, and I am apologizing again for any trouble I caused, and I hope (and promise), I will keep it cool for the rest of the year and beyond (or at least I will try my hardest). =)--Mishae (talk) 22:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I would like to see you continue to work with User:Koavf. I've got about 360 pages of your contributions that I am still going over with genfixes and typo fixes.  Then, if you give me a list of the navboxes you create, I can add them to the articles for you. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  22:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Actualy I would like to do it myself, it will keep me busy. Your job as I wanted it to be is to AWB the pages. Another question: Is there is a site that I can find more information on scientists? You see, I think what I needed is this template. Now I can do my constructive editing without fear of being blocked.--Mishae (talk) 22:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Template:Clytra
 * Template:Sitticus
 * Template:Dorcadion
 * Template:Recilia
 * Template:Navbox Lachnaia
 * Template:Eburia
 * Template:Cicindela
 * Template:Navbox Carabus
 * Template:Cheilotoma
 * Template:Anastrangalia
 * Template:Cassida
 * Template:Navbox Artemisia
 * Template:Stenodema
 * Template:Altica
 * Template:Navbox Lebia
 * Template:Navbox Chenopodium
 * Template:Navbox Dysphania (moth)
 * Template:Navbox Dysphania (plant)
 * Template:Carallia
 * Template:Xylodromus
 * Template:Phelsuma
 * Template:Elipsocus
 * Template:Lachesilla
 * Template:Anabarilius
 * Template:Navbox Amolops
 * Template:Navbox Hynobius
 * Template:Navbox Myrmica
 * Template:Navbox Chalepoxenus
 * Template:Navbox Stygodiaptomus
 * Template:Navbox Strongylognathus
 * Template:Agapanthia
 * Template:Navbox Bombus
 * Template:Elasmostethus
 * Template:Chaetocnema
 * Template:Asterocampa
 * Template:Apolygus
 * Template:Navbox Chrysolina
 * Template:Navbox Opsilia
 * Template:Navbox Echium
 * Template:Oxyrhopus
 * Template:Navbox Cychrus
 * Template:Navbox Oxyptilus
 * Template:Navbox Nippoptilia
 * Template:Sphenarches
 * Template:Amblyptilia
 * Template:Leptodeuterocopus
 * Template:Navbox Paracapperia
 * Template:Navbox Vietteilus
 * Template:Navbox Inferuncus
 * Template:Crombrugghia
 * Template:Stenodacma
 * Template:Navbox Gillmeria
 * Template:Trichoptilus
 * Template:Buckleria
 * Template:Dejongia
 * Template:Megalorhipida
 * Template:Stangeia
 * Template:Michaelophorus
 * Template:Pselnophorus
 * Template:Stenoptilodes
 * Template:Navbox Phelsuma
 * Template:Gypsochares
 * Template:Navbox Merrifieldia
 * Template:Navbox Wheeleria
 * Template:Paraplatyptilia
 * Template:Navbox Leiostyla
 * Template:Navbox Rana
 * Template:Navbox Odorrana
 * Template:Navbox Conops
 * Template:Navbox Bufo
 * Template:Navbox Chaunus
 * Template:Pipilo
 * Template:Navbox Melozone
 * Template:Arremonops
 * Template:Peucaea
 * Template:Aimophila
 * Template:Spizella
 * Template:Sinopoda
 * Template:Heteropoda
 * Template:Alberada
 * Template:Leucoptera
 * Template:Megacephala
 * Template:Micropterix
 * Template:Oidaematophorus
 * Template:Anisopodus
 * Template:Hellinsia
 * Template:Pluchea
 * Template:Vernonia
 * Template:Inula
 * Template:Baccharis
 * Template:Isocoma
 * Template:Trichromia
 * Template:Hieracium
 * Template:Senecio
 * Template:Jacobaea
 * Template:Phycitodes
 * Template:Apriona
 * Template:Stictoleptura
 * Template:Longitarsus
 * Template:Abispa
 * Template:Acetropis
 * Template:Adelphocoris
 * Template:Amphigerontia
 * Template:Stenopsocus
 * Template:Lygocoris
 * Template:Orthotylus
 * Template:Orthetrum
 * Template:Orthotaenia
 * Template:Colaspidea
 * Template:Cyllecoris
 * Template:Crepidodera
 * Template:Neocrepidodera
 * Template:Leistus
 * Template:Nebria
 * Template:Pachytriton
 * Template:Nanorana
 * Template:Trimeresurus
 * Template:Bothriechis
 * Template:Cerrophidion
 * Template:Bothrops
 * Template:Tachina
 * Template:Ceromya
 * Template:Ptinus
 * Template:Ablepharus
 * Template:Stenocorus
 * Template:Melanotus
 * Template:Vesperus
 * Template:Triphosa
 * Template:Cyclura
 * Template:Alcedo
 * Template:Chrysops
 * Template:Euproctus
 * Template:Salamandra
 * Template:Calotriton
 * Template:Sabatinca
 * Template:Telescopus
 * Template:Coluber
 * Template:Tantilla
 * Template:Ulva
 * Template:Helicoverpa
 * Template:Spodoptera
 * Template:Ptyssoptera
 * Template:Orthops
 * Template:Phoenicocoris
 * Hmm, I was wondering why you decided to add these nav boxes to species pages. Please note that species pages are not considered orphans if they are linked from the appropriate genus page, please read TAXONORPHAN. Furthermore, all species in the genus are found on the genus page. If Nav boxes are added, this will create more work if new species are described or species are moved to other genera (which happens quite a lot with insects). All in all I'm not sure it is wise to add these to species pages. I would suggest to discuss this at the wikiproject Tree of Life or wikiproject Insects (since you are concentrating on insects). I seem to remember that the overall opinion regarding these nav boxes was that they were not useful, but dont have the time to search for that discussion at the moment. Ruigeroeland (talk) 12:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you talk to Ryan Vesey about it? He was the one that told me it was O.K. to do it. Plus, the only way how to de-orphan them is to add that Navbox that Ryan told me about. I want to help your project, but if one will critisize me for "pointless edits", the other guy will critisize me for Navboxes, that were, mind you, approved by Ryan as a constructive edit, then I will be so confused. Either way, as long as people wont revert it, I shall continue. Again, talk with Ryan, not me. Thanks.--Mishae (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Let's see here
Hi Mishae. I wasn't expecting to come back from my weekend to find all this. I've got a lot of points that I think should be made here, and I'm going to use a numbering system to help you digest my comments and so we can discuss them further.
 * 1) No one is "out to get you". I know it can feel like people are ganging up on you, but you'll find that people are just seeing the same problems and reacting against them. If you cannot behave in a manner that befits this encyclopedia, you will be removed from it.
 * 2) It is essential that you remain civil, polite or "nice". Even if you feelings are hurt, even if you feel that someone is being rude, lying or nasty in any way shape or form. You need to be the bigger person, and get help if you are having problems.
 * 3) You should do your best to assume good faith of those who talk to you. They are trying to help, even if they disagree with you. See the first point - no one is trying to get you.
 * 4) A Wiki means that anyone can edit anywhere. People do not need to be invited into a conversation. If editors want to join in on a discussion, we should encourage that - decisions are made by groups, not individuals. I encourage many editors to help out at my talk page, if you post there, it may not be me who replies.
 * 5) People will criticise you. You need to learn from these criticisms and improve yourself so that it doesn't happen again. This is perfectly natural and should be encouraged.
 * 6) Edit summaries are a good thing, they summarise what you did in that edit, which allows easier browsing of logs. Going against the suggestion to use them is problematic - please reconsider and get used to using them.
 * 7) You do not own your userpage. You do not own your talk page. You are allowed a lot of leeway in what goes on there, but it's not yours.
 * 8) You should not be worrying about how much database space is out there, that's for the foundation to sort out.
 * 9) Policy on other wikipedias (or indeed any other site) are not relevent. You need to work within the constraints of this site. If you believe a policy or guideline is incorrect, then start a discussion at the policy/guideline page. Do not flout the policy/guideline.
 * 10) Do not generalise. Quite simply, this is where a lot of your comments have caused problems. By generalising two people who have reverted you as reverters you are putting them into a category. You then saw that category as problematic and called them scum. By suggesting that the majority of people on this site are Jewish, you generalised (and what's more, I've seen no evidence of that). Comment specifically on the content eg "I think this was incorrectly reverted because" not the contributor "protect me from these reverting scum"
 * 11) I understand you have Autism and CP. I also understand that makes things more difficult for you, and am willing to take that into account. Things are more difficult for you than some other editors. However, this does not mean that you are allowed to do things that other editors are not. You have to work extra hard at interacting with other editors. I am sure you have the ability to do that, but if you do not, you will have to leave the encyclopedia.

I have removed AWB access. GraemeBartlett is correct, it is a tool - but at the moment, I do not believe that you are able to handle disagreements, so making large numbers of edits is not a good idea. I'm going to suggest that you prove to us that you can handle things for the next month, by either diffusing disagreements or following our dispute resolution process. If you do handle things properly, I (or any other administrator) can return it.

Where we go from here? I'm not going to formally mentor you, I don't have the time to take on that commitment. I will however be watching, and trying to help out where I can. You can come to me for advice or discussion, or especially any problems. Justin (koavf) has very kindly offered to help out too, and I hope you take him up on that offer.

Finally, I want to make this very clear to you. You're on very thin ice here. I personally considered blocking you, but decided to give you one last chance. I will not hesitate in blocking you in the future. Feel free to discuss any of this with me (or anything else), I will never block for civil discussion. Worm TT(talk ) 11:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all, I would like to apologize for any trouble I caused to you as well, and I thyank you for understanding. I really came here to help a project not to vandalise or disrupt it, Moreover, I didn't expect people to react so harshly to my edits, and no, I can't except criticism. Unfortunatelly, the autism doesn't allow me to except criticism in a civil manner. I will try my best, but I can't quarantee that I will be a nice guy, while people around me will be mean! Lets go over some of your comments that I still don't get:


 * Edit summaries are a good thing, they summarise what you did in that edit, which allows easier browsing of logs. Going against the suggestion to use them is problematic - please reconsider and get used to using them.
 * Its a suggestion (guideline), not a policy. I don't think anyone can be blocked for not using it.
 * You do not own your userpage. You do not own your talk page. You are allowed a lot of leeway in what goes on there, but it's not yours.
 * If its not mine than why its called My userpage or My talkpage?
 * You should not be worrying about how much database space is out there, that's for the foundation to sort out.
 * True. Maybe not, but if a server goes out for an hour, I can't edit then. Whats worse, I can't send a message to anyone about it because its down. I understand technical problems can arrise, but non of them suppose to take more than 10 minutes (even that sometimes can be a lot).--Mishae (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to hear how well you've taken my comments. There was a lot there, and there was a chance that it could have gone badly ;) Now - criticism, you *can* accept. It's difficult and you have to keep reminding yourself, but I know you can do it. We can work out some "escape routes" though - you can contact me if you get into problems, I expect Justin will make the same offer. That doesn't mean that I will instantly be on your side, but I will look at the situation and help you resolve it as best I can. It might mean that I agree with the other person, but I will help you understand why. I'm not looking for guarantees from you, I'm looking for you to try your hardest. As for the other points
 * "Guideline" doesn't mean "suggestion". Editors are expected to follow guidelines just as they would follow policy, it's not optional. It's more likely that there's an exception to a guideline than a policy, but that's the only real difference. You can be blocked for misleading edit summaries or abusive edit summaries, and if it's decided that your lack of edit summaries is disruptive, you can be blocked for that too. I don't think it's likely, but it's possible.
 * On "My userpage" and "My talkpage" you ask a very good question. Whilst you do not own the page, you "own it more than anyone else". Just like renting a house, it's yours in many ways, but you still have to follow certain rules, set down by the actual owner (eg. no pets). As I say, you get considerable leeway, but you cannot use it for "hate speech" or hosting or any number of other purposes.
 * Finally, when the server goes out, it's generally either due to an upgrade or someone playing with the databases. It's not due to the amount of whitespace there is in articles. I know it can be frustrating, and I suggest you do a little research into WP:BUGZILLA, which is where this sort of information is discussed. Worm TT(talk ) 14:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

But the white space might have something to do with it.--Mishae (talk) 14:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No. I can categorically tell you that the amount of white space in pages has nothing to do with the server going down. I say this as a website developer of many years. Worm TT(talk ) 14:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I am saying it as an administrative assistant (from a job which I came today), and there I use a server. O.K. that said, moving on... About AWB: Its sad that you revoked it considering that I did mentioned that I wont use it for threats or other malicious activities. I know that a lot of Wikipedians probably lost faith in me, but you know, I am calm now, and will remain like that with or without AWB. By revoking it, you are using it as a reward, not as a tool, which action contradicts to
 * . Just one point, that removing white space won't save any database space anyway, because all the old versions are still retained - if you edit an article to remove white space, you will actually take up more server space because it now has to manage a new version of the article. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * But then when it will get used to the new version, then there will be no problem!--Mishae (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What he means is that all of the old versions are saved so removing white spaces just creates more information that must be saved, not less. Ryan Vesey Review me!  02:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Question: What Navbox should I use for scientists? Should I use them by year and by country? And by field as well?--Mishae (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if a navbox would be as appropriate for scientists as it would for the species. To de-orphan the scientists you should find pages that would benefit from a link to that scientist.  If you point me to a specific scientist I can give you a more thorough idea. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  03:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Donald M. Weisman, just created by me 2 hours ago. Another question, should I wikify words like botanist, and other scientific fields in the articles about them, or its just common words that can be left as is?--Mishae (talk) 03:19, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That one may be hard to de-orphan, in fact, I'm not entirely sure about his notability. Can you expand exactly what he did with Lepidoptera? Ryan Vesey  Review me!  03:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Here the site: [] Hope it helps!--Mishae (talk) 03:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Question: When and how does Wikipedians nominate articles? I have one in my pile John C. Ewers, that screams for a good article at least!--Mishae (talk) 05:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As Boing! said Zebedee points out, the very act of removing the whitespace increases the database size, however that's not the point here. The amount of whitespace in comparison to the amount of other text is negligible. It does have certain effects, as explained by Rich, when running reports or doing certain other tasks the whitespace can slow things down - as can every byte of data. However, those tasks are independent of the server going down - excess of whitespace does not lead to lack of server access. Anyway, I'll let you get back to the nomination discussion. Worm TT(talk ) 08:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and as for AWB, I'm not intentionally using it as a reward, though I can see that is a side effect. With any tool on wikipedia, you have the ability to use it incorrectly, and you have a responsibility to discuss feedback on those tools. AWB is a tool which allows you to make large numbers of edits, and so it's important that you react well to feedback on your use of the tool. For the moment, I've seen you reacting badly to feedback. I'm going to be watching for a little while to see if that's a one off, a common thing, or something you can change. At the end of that, I intend to give the tool back, or take some other action. Worm TT(talk ) 08:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Mishae, I've had a look and you seem to have been taking feedback well (especially the section below). Also, you've kept up the hard work in the mean time, and having made a spot check of your edits, I see no reason why you should not have AWB access back. As such, I've returned it to you. Keep up the good work. <font color='#000'>Worm TT(<font color='#060'>talk ) 07:36, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

MOS
Hello, Mishae. Please do not replace an n-dash with an m-dash in the lead sections of biographical articles as you did in Étienne Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire and in Robert Evans Snodgrass. The dates should be separated by an n-dash. Please read MOS:DASH, the Wikipedia Manual of Style regarding the use of dashes. Also read MOS:FLAGBIO: "Do not use flags to indicate locations of birth, residence, or death". --Omnipaedista (talk) 08:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note that lead sections should not include places of birth and death (see MOS:DOB), and that the infobox field parameters "Residence" and "Citizenship" are (usually) left blank unless they are not subsequent to a person's nationality. Regards. --08:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not link dates as you did in Andrew John Berger. Please see WP:DATELINK, WP:YEARLINK ("Year articles should not be linked unless they contain information that is relevant to the subject matter"), MOS:UNLINKYEARS, and WP:EASTEREGG ("Do not use piped links to create easter egg links"). Regards. --09:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

A few comments
Mishae, I just wanted to point out that a few of your recent edits are completely unnecessary, e.g. this one. I will explain why: I hope this helps. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 02:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) The binomial authorities did not need to be expanded to full piped links per WP:NOTBROKEN. The redirects work just fine and we're not to make edits to "fix" redirects like this without a good reason.
 * 2) You again removed white space between "binomial_authority" and the equals sign and the text. This is, as noted, unnecessary. The extra spaces help some people edit. All of your white space removal is unnecessary. Please stop.
 * 3) Categories are usually listed in alphabetical order regardless of where the taxon category falls in that sequence. You shouldn't need to move categories around like this in the above diff unless to alphabetize them.
 * 4) Finally, the article Levenhookia preissii was already included in the most narrow category -, a daughter category of . The article does not need the parent category as well as the daughter category. In this case, you only need the daughter category. (If, however, a species is endemic to just Australia, then it should go in the "Endemic flora of Australia" category.)
 * O.K. I will discuss those complaints of yours here, but also with Ryan since I trust him a lot!


 * 1) There is a reason to do it: What if there will be a person with the same last name? Second of all I followed how the other users do it, so I surprised that you throw at me WP:NOTBROKEN thing, which I read numerous of times but this is rediculous!
 * 2) is great, but why you don't want  to be present there too? Wont readers rether read  as well? We shouldn't be dictatorial toward our readers, and that gives them options on what else is there to look at. Or has the term "readers" just became a term, nothing more?
 * 3) Finally, I let Ryan know about it, and from this moment on, it will be discussed on his talkpage not mine, since I am afraid of being harrased by some users here!--Mishae (talk) 02:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Mishae, let's continue to discuss it here. This doesn't involve Ryan Vesey, though he's more than welcome to participate if you would like his input. No one is here to harass you, so your talk page is an appropriate venue to discuss the issue.
 * Binomial authorities for plants are standardized, that is there is one and only one Sond. or R.Br.. Those redirects will likely never change. In cases where the authority includes an abbreviation of the name, it is unambiguous. Some authorities are just the last name of the author and so linking just to the last name is a poor choice (e.g. Smith) - in those cases you would need to pipe the link but a previous editor should have already done that.
 * Including both categories is WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION. You would be essentially including the category in two places in the hierarchy of the category system. It would be similar to including the genus category and the family category  on the same article - we avoid this because  already contains everything within . Think of them as nested sets. It's not dictatorial toward the reader, it's practical with respect to the size and manageability of the parent categories. Without this restriction, the parent category would grow to an enormous size that wouldn't be easily browsed. Done the proper way, it can be browsed by subcategory based on state.
 * Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 03:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll start off by pointing out again that the spaces before and after the equal sign are a relatively minor issue. Mishae, I hope that you can attempt to avoid that (when you really think of it, removing those spaces costs more bytes in later discussion than it saves) but otherwise I think that's an issue that can best be avoided.  On the topic of the redirects, the major reasons are "Introducing unnecessary invisible text makes the article more difficult to read in page source form." and "Non-piped links make better use of the "what links here" tool, making it easier to track how articles are linked and helping with large-scale changes to links."  With the overcategorization, an editor can go to Category:Endemic flora of Western Australia and reach any of the other categories from there.  In fact, because our policy is to "nest" categories as much as possible, if one article is not nested, it will cause greater confusion for the readers.  Consider  and .  Both Paavo Aaltonen and Hans Aaraas were born in 1919; however, if one of those had the category 1919 births and the category 1910s births, a reader might think that all of the people born in 1919 are also in the category 1910s births.  Then the reader will assume that only those people in Category:1910s births were actually born then.  This same dilemma occurs with the flora categories.  If a reader believed that all of the articles in  were also in the category  it would be easy for them to assume that the larger category was all inclusive and they would never learn about the articles in the smaller category. Ryan Vesey 04:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Mishae, in response to this comment, all flora that is only found in Western Australia and would go in is therefore also endemic to Australia by its very nature, but we don't need to include that category because  is nested within. We've given you other examples, e.g. year of birth or decade of birth and genus or family categories, that are similar and are clearly ridiculous when you think about implementing them that way. The way you began implementing the categories with regard to endemic flora followed a similar pattern. Now, on italic title, there was consensus to leave that in place where the taxobox or automatic taxobox is concerned. Yes, when properly formatted, the taxobox or automatic taxobox will italicize the article title. But if the article is ever moved or if the taxobox template is edited, someone who doesn't immediately know which element on the page was italicizing the article title would be thoroughly confused. That's why we leave the italic title template as an explicit reminder to editors who are unaware or don't know that the taxobox can italicize the article title, too, without any direct parameter - it just detects that the binomial parameter = article title and implements italics. A useful tool, but it's mysterious for those who open the editing window and don't immediately see how the title is being italicized. I hope that explains the issue. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 11:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'd be more curious if Italic title was in there and was redundant. Then I would operate under the assumption that the template did the italicizing. If the italicizing needed changing (in the case of Pinta Island tortoise), I believe the existence of italic title would be thoroughly confusing. Was there a discussion on this? If so, I will defer to that.  On the topic of endemic flora of western australia, we should also consider that the very fact that something is endemic means we should be as specific as possible. If something was endemic to Minnesota, I could easily say it was endemic to the US, to North America, or to the Americas; however, the latter definitions are far too vague. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that  is only for flora that is found in more than one region of Australia. Ryan Vesey 12:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats exactly my point. It doesn't do anything other then confusing the editors and making editors believing that it does something while in reality it doesn't! I removed the italic title template from some articles by living the (') 2 of them on each side of the binomial title, its exactly the same! Moreover, the sister projects like German, French, Russian, Italian and Ukrainian Wikipedias (to name a few), don't use them. So you might ask, who does? Indonesian, Croatian, Norwegian, Turkish, Romanian, Portuguese and Serbian (to name a few), others have less then 200,000 articles. The only one that does use it and have a hefty amount of articles as well, is Spanish! Another thing, Rkitko mentioned that he would rather have [image =] then [image=], just because in his opinion editors will change images. Question: When was the last time ANYBODY changed an image on their articles pages? How about the first article on Wikipedia back when it first was created, show me how many times you changed that articles image! Plus, there suppose to be a valid reason for articles image change, and you all know that more then I do!

Plus, as far as consensus goes, maybe its time to put that question again? I have my strong points to argue about it as you see above. Not to mention that consensus was reached without me knowing anything about it (I probably wasn't even a Wikipedian at that time). Its time to put it back on the table. Your thoughts?--Mishae (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Woodlouse distributions
In a number of your recent stub articles on woodlice, you list the distribution as "Northern Asia, except for China", citing globalspecies.org as a source. Not only do I think that a source such as Global Species cannot be used for that (it is a listing of specimens, rather than a description of the range, such that the apparent distribution will depend strongly on the availability of data), but when I look at the pages in question, I see no data whatsoever. Are you seeing a different page to me? Indeed, Global Species merely re-uses GBIF data, and GBIF has no data on Trachelipus sarmaticus, for instance. I am concerned that there may be a lot of misinformation in the articles you have recently created, and I don't have the time to correct/delete them. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
by Kevin12cd  Talk to me  This was posted at  01:11, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

A friendly note
Hi Mishae,

I took a look at the message you posted on Ryan Vesey's Talkpage. In it, you stated that you get into a lot of "hot water" on this site, and you mainly believe this is because of yourself. I'd like to recommend that you take a look at this. I think it might help you out a lot on Wikipedia.

by Kevin12cd  Talk to me  This was posted at  00:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kevin, I already have an adoptee, his name is Justin. I don't talk with him that much since I can discuss everything with Ryan or with his appointee, Guy Macon. Again thanks for friendly advice, and thank you for trying to be nice, kind, and understandable of the situation!--Mishae (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Apology
Hi Mishae,

I read the posts by WTT and by Yunshui, and I wanted to apologise for being a serious ass to you. I was indeed very pointy in adding templates to your page and forgetting about Pillar 5, so I hope you will accept my apology and we can continue on.

By the way, this time it was I who got us into hot water.

Thanks, by Kevin12cd  Talk to me  This was posted at  20:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks Kevin! I don't know much about Barnstars, I mean whether or not this Barnstar means as an apology barnstar... But I will take the gift and be happy with it I guess... Thanks again!--Mishae (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution!
Hello Mishae and thanks for your recent editing at Bothriechis schlegelii. That was great information you added! A real plus for the article. I'm posting in haste at a public place, so please excuse that I'm not logged in, but I wanted to show my appreciation for your work. My best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.230.39 (talk) 21:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You are so welcome! Infact I edited the other snakes from Bothriechis genus as well, if you haven't seen them please have a look!--Mishae (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Catherine L. Malone
Hello, I'm Blue Riband. I found your article on Catherine L. Malone and from my quick reading it might have a problem which her academic notability. The Wikipedia criteria which we have to follow for notable academics is at WP:ACADEMIC. So far everything is based only on her Perdue University faculty page. I find it helpful to work on a new article in my sandbox and then "go live" only when there is enough material and references for the main space. Blue Riband► 17:09, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Ways to improve Brachinus nigricornis
Hi, I'm Ana Bykova. Mishae, thanks for creating Brachinus nigricornis!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Thank you for making a wiki page, it looks great. Please refer to the tags added to find out how you could improve it. Best wishes, Anastasia Bykova (talk) 19:23, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

A barnstar for you!
Thank you very much! Look further to support our project with more contributions!--Mishae (talk) 04:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you ever in, or do you have family in, Russia?
Hey Mishae, I want to write an article on an interesting throne used by Peter the Great and Ivan V. It is dual-seated and has a peephole in the back. If you are by some chance going to be in Moscow soon, or if you have families or friends in Moscow, do you think you could get me a picture of it? It's in the Kremlin Armoury. Ryan Vesey 23:42, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The throne can actually be seen here. I'll check some copyright laws to see if works by the Russian government (I think it's the work of the Russian government) are public domain. Ryan Vesey 23:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
<span style='text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;'>Worm TT(<font color='#060'>talk ) 10:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: Chronicles of Mystery: The Tree of Life
Have a look at WikiProject Video games/Assessment, if you believe it meets the criteria then feel free to change it to "C". You can self assess articles up to "B" class. If you believe it meets "Good Article" or "Featured Article" quality then you will need to take them through their respective reviewing process. Note I did not read the article so I have no idea what level it is currently at. Hope this helps. Salavat (talk) 07:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well then it meets "B" instead, since the plot is fully developed, and it have more then a few references...--Mishae (talk) 18:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Arouss Al Ayn
I created a nomination for you. You'll have to make sure the hook information is cited in the article (and you can suggest an alternative hook if you like). I also have a question related to larvae vs. tadpoles. Ryan Vesey 01:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Mishae, Ryan Vesey has gone on a very long wikibreak, so the success of this nomination is up to you. If you want to pursue it, please follow the link there and read the comments by Cwmhiraeth, who reviewed the nomination and has mentioned some issues with the article. Please let us know if you intend to continue; action will be needed within the week, if so. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Jacobaea vulgaris
Hi, I have reverted your changes to that page that had several problems. First: please use a complete description of what you have done in the edit summary, rather than just listing one of many changes. Second: your new template Senecio, seems to be quite unnecessary, there is already a List of Senecio species page. Third: please don't change the taxobox and citation coding that is working perfectly as is to remove line-breaks; this has the effect of scrunching everything up so that it is harder for subsequent editors to work with. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * O.K. Lets discuss it a bit further, first of all the consensus have been reached on the navboxes, the verdict od which was to keep them. Second, the reason why I removed the spaces inb citations is because some of them were double spaced, for an unknown to me reason. Third, what I do with taxoboxes its the same as people do when they put WikiProject on the talkpage. I think there shouldn't be a problem between us (I hope) :)--Mishae (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it is quite a problem. Now in addition to the above you have added this species to Category:Flora of South America without apparently reading the category page, which quite clearly states that it is for plants "native to South America". However, I'm not going to argue with you because you seem to be still learning. I hope that you will be less hasty to revert other people's edits in future and that you will go back and clean up the mistakes you have made. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Now it should be a lot better!--Mishae (talk) 22:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please undo that "Flora of Argentina" nonsense that you have added to that page. Thank you. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please not call my edits "nonsense"?! And the reason why I did it was due to the fact that in the "Distribution" it says:

"In South America it grows in Argentina"

And, if you will say to me that "it is not native to Argentina", then you should know that for such there is [Category:Endemic fauna of Argentina]. Further more, I will talk to Ryan Vesey, and see what he have to say. Personally, my opinion is, is that "Flora of Argentina" should stay, in fact, adding "Flora of South America" wont hurt the article, or the reader for that matter!--Mishae (talk) 23:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I as well don't see why Flora of Argentina is nonsense. The article clearly states that it is found in Argentina.  As for the navbox, I feel that through the discussions I've had, the determination has been that small navboxes of this sort are useful. Excessively large ones are not. Mishae, can you please try to make no edits that affect spacing only. It makes no change to the look of the page and causes problems. Frankly, I find arguments over spacing equally as pointless as the edits themselves, but if arguments are going to result from the edits, you should make every possible effort to avoid them. Let me know if anything else needs to be cleared up. Ryan Vesey 03:33, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ryan for stepping in! You see, my opponent apparently have very "short fuse" when it comes to my edits, and I understand, I can be a bit uncivil myself. He on the other hand, could have just say something: "What does Flora of Argentina" is doing in that article?" And my reply would have been much more civil. Sadly with me, if one person behaves uncivil I tend to answer back same way. In order for it not to happen again, I should try very hard. For that, if possible, can you give me your Skype or e-mail (Skype would be much more preferred since I talk to Russian Wikipedians via Skype too).--Mishae (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't use Skype, but you can email me at Special:EmailUser/Ryan Vesey. Ryan Vesey 18:53, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have my e-mail in Wikipedia. Can you give me your personal? We are buddies, right?--Mishae (talk) 19:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * rdjvesey@undefinedgmail.com note that if you copy and paste the @ won't copy with it since I'm using an image. Ryan Vesey 19:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I apologize for calling the Flora of Argentina category nonsense. The reason that I dropped that page and this from my watchlist in frustration was that it seemed that replacing "Flora of South America" with "Flora of Argentina" was silly, but I didn't realize that there is a special "Endemic flora of Argentina" category. Some months later I see that you have made some helpful edits on Amelanchier species, even spreading out the taxobox coding for readability, so I hope that we can get along from now on. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Hi Mishae, thanks for all the new plant articles. I've been removing both the external links and the references to davesgarden.com because it is not a Reliable Source by Wikipedia standards. It's also unreliable, period, for accurate information about plants. Yes, they get it right sometimes, but read this discussion to see how they are also quite inaccurate. Some of their content is user generated (i.e., unreliable) and the rest is written by an unknown person who gives no references. University websites are generally good references. |The Kew Plant List also meets WP standards, and is good for referencing synonyms. But davesgarden.com isn't reliable. I've been a member of that site for several years, and I could tell you more but I think it's already obvious. It's a good forum/blog/community, but not a source. Thanks, First Light (talk) 03:26, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification, and I am sorry for any confusion...--Mishae (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Near Eastern fire salamander
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You wrote the article Arouss Al Ayn which was renamed to Near Eastern fire salamander, I added to it and tidied it up. We both get the credit in the form of a DYK banner on our talk pages. Co-operation! :) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically I didn't wrote it, I just expanded it from a Stub to a C class. O.K, so I am not allowed to put the DYK star on my talkpage... Like: "This user have made one DYK article"? Another question, so the article will be posted on the main page next week? I just don't see it up there despite the fact that its DYK day (Thursday).--Mishae (talk) 19:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, if you get the golden credit box, you are entitled to say you have a DYK ... and no, this was posted after it appeared. for an 8-hour slot.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds  09:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Article notability notification
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A kitten for you!
Great work on the Melica longiflora page.

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What is a stub?
Hi, I noticed how many plant articles you've created lately – great work! I notice you've rated some of them as stubs, when I think they are more than that. Consider Carex longebrachiata as an example. The criterion at the WP:PLANTS quality scale says of a stub that it "[p]rovides very little meaningful content; may be little more than a dictionary definition." This is certainly not true of Carex longebrachiata, which I would rate at Start. I encourage you not to be too negative about your work! Peter coxhead (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Forgot to say that I haven't changed the rating – I leave that to you. Peter coxhead (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Distribution notation on Grassbase
Grassbase treats Macaronesia (Madeira, the Azores, Canary Islands and Cape Verde Islands) as a subregion of Africa. When it says "Africa:Macaronesia" it means the species is endemic to Macaronesia. Euro+Med Plantbase treats Melica teneriffae as a synonym of Melica minuta subsp. latifolia, for which it records a distribution including countries bordering the Mediterranean, plus Portugal and the islands of Teneriffe and Gran Canaria in the Canaries. Nomen ambiguum (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
—Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q2 2013
MuZemike delivered by MuZebot 16:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Seiko Yamamoto
Why does it say she lost at the "Japan's Queen Cup" at the 2004 Olympics? Is it a typo? Or was there a "Japan's Queen Cup" at the Olympics? Tandrum (talk) 01:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe because she lost at the "Japan's Queen Cup", she could not compete in the Olympics, therefore, she never was in the Olympics. Tandrum (talk) 01:28, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Just curious
You seem to be creating alot of bios for athletes. Why do you focus just on that? Also, how are you aware of them? Tandrum (talk) 05:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Re:Question
Yes. They have won medals at the competitions. Tandrum (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If there's an article for the competition, then it's notable. Tandrum (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If they do not give out a gold medal for first place, I'm guessing you just say first place. Tandrum (talk) 20:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What about 4th place, 5th place and so on? Do they give medals for that? If so, what do they call them? I'm guessing if no one complains, then it's all good. Tandrum (talk) 20:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't some competitions give out percentage points as a score? Not medals. Also, truth be told, I'm not much of an athlete and don't follow sports meticulously, so my expertise is limited.

Re:Another question
Include a scientist infobox, list athletic awards in seperate infobox without basic personal info. Tandrum (talk) 23:43, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect wikilink
Hi, I've noticed you're using an incorrect wikilink when you're linking the list of countries (especially when using the Fauna Europaea as a source) - for example Julus scandinavius and Miridus quadrivirgatus. You have linked "Britain I." to "British Isles" - better linked to Britain I. instead. The British Isles is a much bigger area and includes Northern Ireland, Ireland, and Channel Islands - all of which are listed separately as distribution areas. For example the current linking for Miridus quadrivirgatus implies it exists in Ireland, when in fact it is absent. --HighKing (talk) 11:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, I already did 4 of them!--Mishae (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled?
Hi! I've noticed your name pop up quite a lot in the New Pages feed, and I've patrolled quite a few of your newly created species articles. Have you considered applying for autopatrolled user rights? You seem to have literally hundreds of valid articles under your belt, so you should be more than qualified. Cheers. Kolbasz (talk) 02:07, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

About Amphimallon cantabricum and "TaxonIds"
is OK for en:wp flora and fauna, as far as I know. But I've been wrong a lot of times. Pete in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well as far as they (users on English Wikipedia) told me such taxons should be but as an external link. However it goes as long as there is an info that Wikipedia can not have (i,e, image). Because Wikipedia doesn't like useless external links. Either way, you can always talk with user Stemonitis, I think he will better explain to you. If he is OK with it too, then I take my words back and apologizing.--Mishae (talk) 19:09, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Photographers
I'm concerned that some of the ones you've been making just now might not be notable, or might be difficult to defend.; please check the basic criteria for artists & make sure there a reference for a major award or for works being in a major collection from the start.  DGG ( talk ) 23:22, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Can you point me to a specific article where I wrote something not notable or doesn't have a reference or two?--Mishae (talk) 23:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Adenanthos ellipticus
Alex ShihTalk 02:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, and keep up the good work! I am afraid John C. Ewers still have a long way to go from being featured status. Take a look at the criteria, and check out other featured biographies to have a sense of the acceptable standard.


 * At the present state, there is only one image, and essentially only one section of readable prose (nearly half of the article is a list of his publications, which is probably not an ideal balance). The article needs to be expanded further with wider, more comprehensive coverage. I think it would be better to submit the article to a peer review first to see if you can get more constructive opinions. And then when you feel ready, nominate the article for good article assessment before thinking about going for featured status. Happy editing! Alex ShihTalk 15:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's above B class, but not yet a GA. Alex ShihTalk 16:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Vicicongo line
Mishae, the Vicicongo line was in fact started using the google translated german wiki (which was translated from its French counterpart, with another part taken from Rail transport in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. I think the label you placed can be removed. --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 17:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't you realized that I removed it?--Mishae (talk) 17:19, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I can see it now, thanks. --Aaron-Tripel (talk) 17:20, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for any misunderstanding though.--Mishae (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer to help, Mishae on Damon Matthew Wise info page
We are having problem matching images and evidence back up from period before there were many webpages. Damon set up a whole lot of pages on Ireland OnLine, Eircom, EsatClear (the companies no longer exist) and the are old html 1 (text and very basic links) so diffcult to find without tags etc - trying to find evidence from Usenet news groups and lists pre-web is near impossible. We have complete access to Damon's facebook which has most of his images - problem is getting the images through permissions with Wikimedia. He has to keep sending permissions and trying to get images unblocked.

They want to condense down the content - instructions in talk ... Damon and his family do no use skype because of risk to the children. He and Karen are letting us use the office computer and let log us on to their social networking sites ... most content of text and images are in his facebook photos = stories from newspaper articles, with links and stuff are tucked away there.

Suggest you contact Damon on his facebook or Karen's and access his photo albums and look around what you can use (most is available to public), so we very lucky of having a lot of past messages and reports. If you make contact on his facebook and have dropbox send him your e-mail address on facebook and we will start giving you archives of the websites from backup drives (that's how we get much content last week.

We have added every potential link down before the references - these can be merged into the text or looked out for useful background relevant to the text.

The general skeleyon is there. It is now down adding links and refs and editing down irrelevant text and duplication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AspieNo1 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit of the maps for Legal aspects of transsexualism in the United States
This discussion was moved to user talk:Athacorra. Please note that this is normally not allowed, but may be in this case if user:Athacorra is okay with the move. Please reference WP:TPO. MrScorch6200 (talk) 00:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcoming
Hi Mishae

Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia... 7 years after my first contribution, haha! Better late than never, I guess! :) Chtfn (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome home! :)--Mishae (talk) 00:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

How to upload a pic
how do i upload a pic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mozaa2 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Please read this: WP:UPIMG, and once you understand that use the File Upload Wizard. If you need additional help, reference the picture tutorial here: WP:PIC. If you still need help, ask me here or on my talkpage. Thanks. MrScorch6200 (talk) 00:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanking vandals for their BLP violations and giving them a Welcome rather than a warning Please look at edits before welcoming vandals
Please take a moment to see if the edit made by a new editor is a gross violation of our policy on biographies of living persons before thanking the new editor and giving him a hearty welcome, as you did after this edit which added to a high school article the unreferenced claim that some person, who doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, is a porn star. Such BLP violations are all too common on articles about schools and towns. You do the encyclopedia no favor by uncritically welcoming every vandal. Edison (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry. You know, I am not an admin, so I can't give warnings left and right, if there would have been a tag before it, then I would have thought twice. However, even then you need to welcome them and then warn them. Who knows, maybe that will change their heart. I do apologize for any miscommunication on my part. But saying that I do encyclopedia no justice is an extreme view. I seek apology from you at least.--Mishae (talk) 00:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that this was just an error on Mishae's part, when he greeted the new editor he probably didn't see the vandalism and its warning until now (AGF). Also, telling him that he is doing the encyclopedia no good is over the top. Please read WP:ETIQ. Thanks. MrScorch6200 (talk) 00:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I suggest slowing down a bit and taking a look at what the nature of an edit was before rushing off to lavishly praise the new editor. Some are good faith editors, and some are blatant vandals."Twinkle" is not a substitute for using your eyes and brain. Edison (talk) 04:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have any of those tools. But, I did report 10 users with provocative usernames to MrScorch6200.--Mishae (talk) 04:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

It's really not that important and accidentally thanking a vandal doesn't harm Wikipedia at all. Best just to ignore Edison's somewhat hypocritical silliness, as they seem willing to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEdison&diff=569163654&oldid=569163400 engage vandals] themselves. To be clear, ignore means "ignore" -- best not to continue discussion with them about it or ask for an apology or anything -- just forget about it and move on. NE Ent 00:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Africa Hall (Addis Ababa)
Hello, and thank you for reviewing the page. I have made some substantial edits, so if you could check it over again that would be great. --Simfan34 (talk) 01:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC) ✅--Mishae (talk) 01:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Problem
No one welcomed me to Wikipedia (except the moderators) and you welcomed everyone else.

NOTE: The signature is incorrect.

Epic YouTuber 01:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Should I take it as a thank you?--Mishae (talk) 01:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for welcoming new good-faith editors. Edison (talk) 04:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In your opinion an editor who says no one welcomed me, and accuse me of welcoming everyone else but him, is a good editor????--Mishae (talk) 03:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

hi my friend
Hello my friend Username Mohsen trying sabotage this page Kaleh Mazandaran VC is Name Original club Kalleh Mazandaran VC is Please moved Kalleh. tnx Refrence
 * kalleh
 * Ir92 (talk) 04:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helloeveryone123abc (talk • contribs) 05:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, Mischa, for welcoming me here: I am an administrator at the Macedonian Wikipedia, but have been inactive for a longer period of time and, after completing my thesis on an ancient Greek play and a few visited art exhibitions, I felt a well-known urge to wikify a sentence or two. I have already done few contributions to the the article of recenlty diseased Ruth Asawa (mainly uploading images) and, in my sandbox, I am already working on articles on modern wire artists. At least for now, I have the time. Why not helping the community then? Thank you again. Hope to be here for a while, Виктор Јованоски (talk) 11:53, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Mishae, thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. I wasn't sure how to set up my talk page. I was hoping someone would be nice enough to help me out and you did! Roam41 (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Tome Serafimovski
Hey, Misha - I added a sentence or two, a reference or two, an image or two to the article on Tome Serafimovski. I am out of time tonight (I was working, in my sandbox, on another article on a contemporary artist and, more importantly, I'm already half-asleep), but I will most definitely return to the article in near future. By the way - since I have a friend studying in Russia - why are you still awake (since it is 3 AM here, it should be 5 AM there)? Pleasant dreams, Виктор Јованоски (talk) 01:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

thanks!
Mcfete44 (talk) 04:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
--Le Passant (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank You
Misha - I just created a new article titled "Panorama Film Studios", from my personal recollection. Wikipedia is neat stuff! I added a few references but have yet to figure out how to insert links in the body to those references. - Brent Jaybush JEFFBLEWIS (talk) 00:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)JEFFBLEWIS

Thank you
Hi thanks for getting in touch.

I have written a brief article in my sandbox can you check it is suitable for publicaton.

Completewasterscolin (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me :O)
Hey Mishae, thanks for stopping by. I'm starting in a very small way - just doing some minor edits and adding references, etc. I hope to add sections and then write a full article soon. Esparty (talk) 03:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me
It took a little bit to figure out how to send you this message but I'm glad I did. What a resource your pages are.Henry Box Brown (talk) 07:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

thanks for welcoming me!
Your comments were very helpful. Jeriklindgren (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Fish
Thank you for the message on my user page. I see that you have written a lot of articles about species of fish. I am very interested in fish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theduinoelegy (talk • contribs) 21:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome
I appreciate the welcome and I am looking forward to contributing in my own little way. YongeSeagull (talk) 22:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for support on my talk ... agree this was started by JW, but are discussing works with DMW ... bringing Aspies contents in mainstream
I decided to meld in. First of all this project is founded by Jimmy Wales not by Damon. Second, as far as Damon's project goes, I personally salute him since I have Aspie friends myself. I do however need to point out that only thing that you need to do is to clean up the article, and then it will be perfect and Damon will be happy too. Another thing to mention is that no one here is against the Aspies or Damon.--Mishae (talk) 04:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Re above, Thanks for support on my talk - so many people been negative since the article were deleted by a majority vote ... I agree the Wiki-project was started by Jimmy Wales, but are discussing works with Damon Matthew Wise ... bringing Aspies contents from the internet into the mainstream. Many of us view his page as a start to indexing resources, pages, and reference contents from the Aspies, Cousins and Auties communities into the mainsteam.

We are working on many projects shared with people around Ireland and beyond.

Personally worked on updating the Candy Waters Tribute page while the family were at the funeral.

Yes, I am sure that many Aspies often take things personal and feel personally aggrieved as IF it is against Aspies and Damon (that seems a common perception) - I am sure as we get to work again and perfect the contents from the webpages and resources he has contributed over the years on Aspies cultural identity and language (had discovered an Early 1999 reply to a message from Vario - Tabnet about his Federation-Trust.ORG website lapsing quoting back his 1994-1999 signature showing Aspies referencea lists and available materials ... many such materials were downloaded in Internet cafes and using early Yahoo! groups and usenet and other newsgroups - as we dig further into the digital archives we uncover more content.

ICAAN HQ is at half capacity today at best - many are at the funeral. Several projects and people around the country have travelled down, I am told.

AspieNo1 (talk) 12:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome
I've been working away on St Paul's Church, Auckland for a few months. Just created my first new article: William Henry Skinner. So far so good. E James Bowman (talk) 04:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Mishae
Thank you for your link regarding fish articles. I shall have a look over them as soon as I can.

I hope this isn't too much of an inconvenience, but as you've been on Wikipedia a long time, I wondered if you would have a quick look over my edits on the Emperor Norton page? [Emperor Norton -- First Emperor of the United States]). I have strong philosophical views on the actions and life of this man, and though I do not think I have allowed that to cloud my judgement when editing, it would be good to have a second opinion from someone with greater knowledge and experience of Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks. Theduinoelegy (talk) 09:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome.
Hi Mishae - Thanks for the welcome message. I'm currently making some changes to Bang on a Can including breaking one of their touring and recording ensembles out into its own page Bang on a Can All Stars. If you have a moment, please check out what I've done and let me know if there are any conventions I should be following that I'm missing. I'm doing a pretty big overhaul of those pages and I would like to avoid my revisions being reverted wholesale based on small errors or Wikipedia no-nos. Cheers, Squarecandy (talk) 19:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

cleanup question
Cool. Thanks for taking a peek. How much more do you think I need to do before removing the Cleanup and Citations flags at the top of the article? Bang on a Can Squarecandy (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the welcome
I am new to wikipedia editing, and I appreciate the check-in. I'll certainly take a look at the references you've provided. Barnesgordon (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the welcome, Mishae. It's nice to finally be a part of the community. Duotrigintillion (talk) 20:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome
Hi Mishae

Thank you for your welcome. I'm not quite sure if this will get to you. Please let me know if it does.

Best wishes,

LikelihoodistLikelihoodist (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank You
I appreciate the warm welcome that you posted on my talk page. Hope to see you around. --GeekyIsCool (talk) 04:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Need help submitting first article
Mishae, thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia! I have written my first article about a woman named Shefali Razdan Duggal. However, I don't know how to proceed in terms of submitting this article. About a year ago someone else tried to submit an article about Shefali but it was declined. See this link for details https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Shefali_Razdan_Duggal&article_action=edit. Do I submit my substantial changes on the link showing the declined article? If so, I'm assuming I paste the Source text from my Sandbox article for Shefali into one of the three editable areas. Not sure which one. Or should I submit what I've written as a New article via my sandbox page? I hope my questions make sense. Thanks for your help. --Mtndrala (talk) 04:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)Mtndrala


 * Please reference WP:AFC. MrScorch6200 (talk) 05:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man
Thanks for the warm welcome. I've been getting alright so far. If you can, could you please tell me what is the easiest way to hyperlink names to existing wiki pages. For example I will edit an entry by adding a list of names of famous scholars and philosophers. What would be the easiest way to hyperlink their names to their wiki pages?Asen3000 (talk) 04:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If you are using Visual Editor, you just have to highlight the text, then click the link button at the top of the toolbar, then select the page that you want to link to from the drop-down box. If you are using the Wiki Markup editor, place two brackets around the text that you want to link or (  |  ) with the linked article name to the left of the pipe and the displayed name on the right. If you have any other questions or are still confused, please ask me here on Mishae's talk page or mine. I hope this helped.  Please also reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Wikipedia_links MrScorch6200 (talk) 05:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot man! That helps!

I'm also struggling to find a centralized directory with the various types of wiki articles quality assessment criteria. I want figure out what are the general criteria for good article across multiple domains and in relation to different projects. Would you know if such centralized list exists at all? Or, as it seems, the quality assessment pages are available only through the main pages of the projects.

In the same vein, can you point me to wiki's official style/manual for writing and editing—if there is one.

Thanks a million! Asen3000 (talk) 23:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * For that, read WP:MOS, that should help. As far as the list goes try this. Happy editing!--Mishae (talk) 23:44, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled
Hi. I noticed somewhere that you mentioned userboxes for autopatrolled users. If you are being asked for advice on this, it's good to bear in mind that 'Autopatrolled' is not an award for the creation of a certain number of articles, and it confers no additional advantages to the creators. That said, we're hoping to step up the number of experienced patrollers, so you might like to check out WT:NPP to see if you can help. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi friend, thanks for the invitation, and no, I never thought of it as an award, just wanted to display it for a while (and I don't think I will lose it any time soon).--Mishae (talk) 00:50, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Guidance Barnstar
Hello Mishae, Thanks for your welcoming, Ive ran into a bit of a problem, i don't know how to create an alternative link for the page Kalapa, there is a page Kalapas which seems to be putting forward a similar definition of my page kalipa(variation of kalapa ) but with many vital mistranslations which the original page creator will more than likely try to maintain, I don't want to delete his work but i want a page with the root definition displayed also, can you help me with this.--Prestigiouzman (talk) 08:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Dear Misha: Thanks for your welcome. As of now I don't intend to create new pages, but just corret typos.

I've spotted a bibliographicla problem in   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_III_of_Moldavia fn. 1 (and elsewhere in wiki).

Uliantski, Mamerualyi is obviously wrong and incomplete. Perhaps you can identify the author and supply the complete title. Thanks. Regards. --Sever Juan (talk) 10:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Question
Dear Misha

What is the best way to request that a submission be edited with someone with specific expertise? I have just submitted a page called "PS Power and Sample Size" and would like to request that it be refereed by someone with expertise in biostatistics or statistics. What is the best way to do this?

Likelihoodist (talk) 14:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Notice
Regarding Arouss Al Ayn, the edit to correct format drift was just a cleanup to maintain consistency per WP:DATEUNIFY MOS:DATEUNIFY. Often, various editors will add references with various styles to articles which leads to inconsistent style over time. Therefore the edit was not intended to be counterproductive but the guidelines behind it for it could have been better explained. Further explanations of editing style can be found under the various MoS guidelines. Dl2000 (talk) 04:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Mishae, just noticed your emails. I'll respond with a) yes, you should nominate Arouss Al Ayn for DYK and b) I've got a midterm coming up so I'll respond to the rest of your emails later.  In regards to Arouss Al Ayn, despite the template added by Dl2000, I think it would be unreasonable to say that a date format existed before your edits and I would suggest using MDY for that article form here on out. In regards to the other edits of Dl2000 mentioned at User talk:Worm That Turned, they are completely appropriate.  Keeping date formats in line is an important maintenance task since the MOS requires that formats be consistent within articles. Any futher discussion on the date format of Arouss Al Ayn specifically can take place on its talk page. Ryan Vesey 04:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well thats interesting... So when I do an edit and its as pointless as this, its considered to be pointless and destructive whereas his edits are considered to be constructive? Mmm, care to explain? If the pattern didn't existed maybe I should remove that template as well? Bot generated articles shouldn't have it in the first place...--Mishae (talk) 04:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Your edits don't change anything in the article, his do. His create consistency. For what it's worth, I've consistently argued that it is just as pointless to complain about your edits as it is for you to make them. In fact, there's at least one bot that pointlessly adds spaces after bullets. In regards to the template, I changed it to say your format should be used. Ryan Vesey 04:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Mmm, O.K. so consistency is not pointless, but at the same time I don't get it. See, puting 26 February 2013 is not as good as puting February 26, 2013. Reason behind it is that there is no th therefore it reads poorly.--Mishae (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not true that 26 February 2013 is not as good as February 26, 2013. The first may appear odd to an American English speaker; however, it is the normal phrasing for the majority of the world. In fact, Russia uses the DMY (Day-Month-Year) format. I am not sure if you are correct on the nonexistence of the th sound after the day using DMY dates. I almost think they would say it as "Twenty sixth of February 2013" but don't quote me on that. Ryan Vesey 05:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * When I read 26 February 2013 I end up reading either Twenty six February 2013 or Twenty sixth February 2013, with of being off.:) As far as DMY goes, well Russia does use it, but then some countries like America sometimes don't... Yes, a lot of countries use DMY, but then we can say the same about the world. Majority of countries speak English, it doesn't mean though that their official language is English...--Mishae (talk) 05:29, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * From what I have observed, most Americans would write it as February 26, 2013 and read it as February THE twenty sixth 2013. I served in the United States Air Force and would write it as 26 February 2013, and read it as twenty six February 2013 (without the th). Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 00:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, its your opinion. Just because you served in the American Air Force doesn't mean that your view is right, I for one, never served, and therefore my expertise might be different. However, we are talking here about dates not who served where. Plus, the topic is already closed and the verdict was that it is O.K. to write February 26, 2013 for American and world articles and 26 February 2013 for Australian and British.--Mishae (talk) 01:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood, Mishae. I did remember to preface my comment with "From what I have observed...".  OK?  Respectfully,   Tiyang (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand you too, and please forgive me if I am being too thorough.--Mishae (talk) 04:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Mishae. That was very nice.  You are always very thorough.  I am so happy we understand each other.  Respectfully,   Tiyang (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for wellcoming!
Здравствуйте Mishae! Большое спасибо за приветствие! Учитывая, что наш родной язык русский, решил писать по-русски, хотя говорю на английском, так как постоянно проживаю в Ирландии и являюсь гражданином этой страны. Я зарегистрирован в русской Википедии как Sergey761, и написал статью «Лисунов, Владимир Евгеньевич». В англоязычную Википедию, я «пришёл», что бы поместить перевод этой статьи. Правда, многое мне еще не понятно. Статью я перевёл и пока поместил в "Sandbox", что бы сделать ссылки, сноски и цитаты. Одно не понятно, как мне разместить в статье ссылки из русской Википедии и как после связать эти два разноязычных варианта одной статьи. Но думаю, что разберусь. Если будет трудно, то буду просить совет. И еще. Я хочу сделать свою страницу на русском и английском языках, но не могу понять где брать все эти шаблоны. Может быть подскажите? Еще раз благодарю, с уважением, --Sergey761 (talk) 23:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Rough translation:
 * Hello Mishae! Thank you very much for the welcome! Given that our native language is Russian, I decided to write in Russian, although I speak English, so as to continuously live in Ireland and I am a citizen of that country. I registered in the Russian Wikipedia as Sergey761, and wrote "Lisunov, Vladimir E.". I "came to" English-language Wikipedia in order to put the translation of this article. However, many still do not understand me. I translated the article and for a while placed in the "Sandbox", where it will be added with references, footnotes and citations. One thing is clear, as I post the article link from Russian Wikipedia and how to relate these two after the multilingual version of an article. But I think I'll manage. If it is difficult, I will ask for advice. And more. I want to make my userpage in Russian and English, but can not figure out where to get all these templates. Maybe you can tell me? Thank you again, with respect.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I fixed your translation, but there was no need for it, I already wrote in in both English and Russian (gladly we both speak both languages fluently and can understand each other). Thank you though. O' your translation is quite good.--Mishae (talk) 02:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Mishae! Thank you very much! If I need help, I'll write you. Have a nice day, --Sergey761 (talk) 10:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)