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Infoboxes
Hi Miss.Indecisive: The purpose of an infobox is to be an at-a-glance summary; whether it looks cluttered to you or not is therefore a matter for the amount of information, and removing things on purely aesthetic grounds is misleading to the reader. I have reverted a couple of your changes and will be looking at more, but I do note that you have added information to some articles, which I think is preferable. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Shearonink (talk) 03:03, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring
Hi. I notice that this is becoming a pattern in your editing. For example, at Drew Barrymore, combined with your IPs, you have 4 reverts. One, two, three, four (and you are editing several other articles in the same manner). You need to start using the talk page rather than edit warring, or you might find yourself being blocked eventually. Will you do that? Thanks. Nymf (talk) 18:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. It's become a particular pattern of yours to revert my changes without adequate reasoning. I will start to use the talk page if that shall please you, however, please note that several others have gotten into a habit of reverting MY changes, also without proper reasoning and simply because they prefer their edits over those of others. Several times I have justified my edits with Drew barrymore that continue to be reverted. There should be a limit as to how much information is in the infobox and there is information in there about the entire drew barrymore family that is already present in other sections. The infobox is about HER and should remain that way- parents should be included but not distant ancestors, albeit their fame. Perhaps you should begin to revert changes out of reasoning and proper thought rather than habit? Will you do that? Thanks. Miss.Indecisive (talk) 01:29, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The above was a friendly message, so please do not reply with a hostile attitude. You are basing your edits on what you think is appropriate. However, there are guidelines that governs this (e.g. Template:Infobox person and MOS:INFOBOX), which states that it is perfectly fine and actually preferred to list the things that are listed. Again, if someone reverts you, and you still believe that your edit is appropriate, you should use the talk page. Nymf (talk) 07:24, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

You have reverted at least 4 times on Zara Philips. Using an IP for one of the middle edits has the appearance of sock puppetry and you are misusing the "minor edit" check box. Note that edits should only be tagged as minor when the edit "could never be the subject of a dispute". You know that the edit is the subject of a dispute, therefore the edit should not be tagged as minor. Instead of revert-warring with obtuse edit summaries, attempting to hide edits by marking them as minor, and using IPs to create the appearance of greater support, please follow the guidance at Dispute resolution. DrKiernan (talk) 13:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Here we go again- you really love inciting these little "disputes" that you create through perception. And what of your reverts? How many times have YOU reverted edits? Of course that was a minor edit and should not be open to dispute, as infoboxes are summarising information. You need not repeat what is already in another section- the name/gender etc of the child need not be known in the infobox. To state the number of children is sufficient and has been accepted and used frequently on most pages. Don't falsely accuse me of "hiding" my edits and your unusual claims of "sock puppetry"- I've only ever used one account? Is anyone else subject to these derogatory claims?

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 08:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You've reverted at least three other editors on that one article actually. If you do not wish to be accused of hiding edits or using sock puppets, then don't tag disputed edits as minor and don't edit using an IP. DrKiernan (talk) 08:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Is that so? Who, may I ask? And once again, what of your reverts? Being an administrator does not make you immune to these wikipedia policies either. You have reverted edits of others several times, and most of the times these reverts have not been constructive. They have been centred around your opinion of what should be on the page, with little to no consensus from what I've seen. You've got the wrong idea. I have repeated this already- I do not use my IP address; I only use this account. Those edits are not mine- do not make unjustified assumptions. I will refrain from tagging edits as "minor" and contributing to those pages (as I am seemingly unwelcome) if it shall give me peace from your pestering proclivity. :I

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 10:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Hipposcrashed, Surtsicna and Difficultly north. My reverts are always constructive and invariably follow consensus. It is obviously your IP address and your edit; dissembling about it is further evidence that you are deliberately trying to avoid scrutiny. DrKiernan (talk) 11:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me? Did you not just read what was written? That is NOT my IP address- neither of those. In fact, if you would like, I will log out of this account and make an edit or comment so you can see what my IP address number actually is. I don't care if you don't believe it- I don't lie and certainly do not try to "avoid scrutiny". How is it "obvious"? That's the most ridiculous justification for an unreasonable conclusion. I genuinely feel upset that you regard me in such an unpleasant light.

This is just childish and disgusting. If you continue to make accusations I will not hesitate to consult someone about this.

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 12:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I think neutral advice from someone else will mirror what I and others have already told you several times: instead of edit-warring, follow the guidance on dispute resolution. DrKiernan (talk) 12:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Mm. You'd be wise to take on some of that guidance as well! I do think you owe me an apology for those false accusations... :( Cheers,

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 13:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads-up! I didn't notice that happened! I've edited and fixed it :) You can look over it again to see if it's ok. Cheers! Miss.Indecisive (talk) 07:50, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Shearonink (talk) 00:26, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014
Hello, I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Aaron Taylor-Johnson because it didn't appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, you can use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Tanbircdq (talk) 18:10, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, what exactly did you undo? It looks exactly the same to me. All I did on his page was replace "2 daughters" with "2" in his infobox. That still remains, so what exactly did you revert that was not constructive, as my edits on his page were minor.


 * Cheers


 * Miss.Indecisive (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes you did replace "2" with "2 daughters" on your first edit here. However, on your second edit here, as well as correctly amending the unpaired brackets, you also incorrectly removed the redirect hatnote for Aaron Johnson (disambiguation), which I restored here. I hope that is clear, take care. Tanbircdq (talk) 13:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Naya Rivera shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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I really don't appreciate your threats of blocking me, and your comments about an "edit war" that I certainly did not stimulate. I am simply updating information. Why is it that you continue to revert the changes despite my citations?? Is it not YOU that is provoking this edit war? I used sources to cite her engagement to Big Sean in her infobox, as he is not simply her 'partner' but also her fiancee- since the infobox is a summary of her life, should it not include mention of her engagement, despite it already being mentioned in other sections? Mention of being "engaged" has been included in several pages such as Ginnifer Goodwin, Ciara and Behati Prinsloo yet nothing has been reverted or said of "edit warring". I am certain that if a more "experienced" editor had undergone the same edits as I on Naya Rivera's page, they would not be plagued by comments of "edit warring" and be threatened. I have provided adequate reasoning and cited sources to justify my edits, yet what reasoning have you provided for your reverts? My informationwas not false, nor was it disruptive.

I believe your reverts are fuelled by condescension for new editors rather than proper reasoning. I'm sure you'd be upset if someone dubbed your editing as "warring" when all you did was update information about relationship status. What is said in the personal life segment should be reflected in the infobox, the summary that underpins the entire page.I suggest you justify your reverts, just as I am justifying my edits.

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 10:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * As per WP:BRD, you are REQUIRED to discuss it on the article talkpage to obtain new consensus. That's how Wikipedia works,  If your bold edit is reverted, you are never permitted to re-add it until you have WP:CONSENSUS to do so.  This applies to EVERY editor new or old, and is not optional.  So, since you failed to justify anything on the article talkpage, and you have failed to engage the community in that edit, it's not permitted - yet - and yes, you can be blocked because of it.  No - it's not a threat, it's a warning, carefully crafted by the community and endorsed by the WMF.  ES  &#38;L  10:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to pop in here to mention that a WP page I sometimes refer to is Edit warring. It lists all the expected behaviors and remedies when a series of edits/reverts starts occurring and states "Once it is clear there is a dispute, avoid relying solely on edit summaries and discuss the matter on the article's talk page" in order to gain editorial consensus from the community about the matter. Miss Indecisive, as a fairly-new editor, you might not be aware of the Three-revert rule which states that:
 * "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period."
 * I know one thing you feel strongly about in your Wikipedia editing is working-on/recrafting/editing Infoboxes in many of the articles you have edited. Please, per Wikipedia's stated rules and guidelines, if you run into another editor who reverts your content, please discuss the issue on the associated article's talk page before you change the reverted content back to your preferred version. Also, you should perhaps consider posting your concerns about Infoboxes at the various Wikipedia pages I mentioned on my talk page in the Query section that you started. Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 01:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I still don't understand. Several other actors and actresses have "engaged" written in their infoboxes, why is it that you continue to remove this? This edit need not gain consensus when it involves the insertion of one word- and this edit is supported by several sources?? Even though it is written in the personal life segment, it must be reflected in the infobox which functions as the summary of her page. You forgot that you also failed to engage the community and justify your revert.

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 00:50, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * It does not belong in the infobox on any article. Nevertheless, the onus is on YOU, the person who wants to add it to gain consensus. That's the rule on Wikipedia  - I have no need to justify my removal, but nevertheless I have multiple times.  ES  &#38;L  01:33, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Shearonink (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Per MrMustache's suggestion, I didn't know that embedding was even possible... If that workaround (or a link to that workaround) could be posted on the various WP pages that editors might refer to, it would be helpful. Shearonink (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I just left this message on the WikiProject Musicians talk page:

"No infobox for composers?
While Clara Schumann has an infobox her husband Robert Schumann does not; neither do Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, Johannes Brahms or Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky.


 * If there is an infobox for composers, please send me the link.
 * If there isn't, is there a reason why not?
 * If it's an oversight, would somebody with more wiki-programming savvy than me {I know: I} like to create a decent one?

Who's game? Cheers!" Who knows? Maybe we'll meet in the middle! Cheers! Shir-El   too  13:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

The changes have not yet been made official unfortunately, and we're still waiting to reach consensus- people still believe that an infobox format is unnecessary :( You can check out the progress and make some comments- there is a link on my talkpage to Wikiproject infoboxes. I definitely think someone should create a spouse and children parameter for musical artists but there is still resistance. Being quite new and inexperienced, I cannot make the changes myself nor can I have great influence on the outcome of the consensus. I'm relying on more experienced editors to help out.

Nice to have someone who supports the need for infoboxes! :)

cheers

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 08:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


 * As it happens, they are not needed, per WP policy. Toccata quarta (talk) 10:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Is that so? And why is that the case? Miss.Indecisive (talk) 05:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

WP:IBX says, "The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." Toccata quarta (talk) 15:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

That's fantastic! But most people seem resistant about embedding musical artist with infobox person. Cheers for the heads up,

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 07:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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Tidying
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The children were certaintly not removed! Rather than listing names, numerical information was used to mention how much children she had. This is used on several other pages, so what is the concern here? Besides, none of the children have wikipedia pages, so what is the use of having them there if you cannot click on them? Save the detail for the personal life section :S

Cheers, Miss.Indecisive (talk) 06:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I know children are often removed if they don't have articles of their own. By the way, I don't really agree with that. But the edit summary "tidying" was a little too simple for that change. That's all. No real problem here, just bringing this to your attention. Debresser (talk) 11:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. I will be more specific next time! Thanks for the tip :) Miss.Indecisive (talk) 13:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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I will let it go this time (since your edit technically isn't wrong), but per WP:BRD (as you should already know from your past), when someone reverts your edit, discuss on talk page, not in the edit summary (while just reverting back). --Musdan77 (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

No one really tends to do that though. Everyone just reverts and reverts and reverts, without discussing on the talkpage- even the editors who've been here for a while. And many people don't check the talkpage, or sometimes i wait for ages before there's a reply. However, i will keep this in mind for next time :)

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Partner parameter
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Harry Potter characters
Hello. The reason I have reversed your changes to the infobox of characters is that these must reflect the characters as they appear in the work. They are only married in the final chapter of the saga. Marking them as married is applying real-world logic to literary characters. Mezigue (talk) 09:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation :) But I don't completely understand- on the page of Katniss Everdeen, for instance, 'spouse' and children are mentioned but only appear in the final chapter of the book also. Yet for all the Harry Potter characters, these details have been neglected. Of course it is not a BLP and is fictional but it should be incorporated . There should be consistency across Wikipedia pages, and if it is done for the characters of the Hunger Games then I see no issue with it being done for the characters of Harry Potter. What do you think? :)

Cheers, Miss.Indecisive (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 * No, what you should do is correct the other page if it's wrong! Mezigue (talk) 14:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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