User talk:MissT Techie

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MissT Techie, good luck, and have fun. – Pam  D  23:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)  Pam  D  23:28, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Elizabeth Callaghan
Hello MissT Techie,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Elizabeth Callaghan for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to rewrite it in your own words, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. MarkYabloko ''' 10:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Elizabeth Callaghan


A tag has been placed on Elizabeth Callaghan requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://poi-australia.com.au/eliza-batman-nee-callaghan/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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General advice
Hallo Miss T, and welcome to Wikipedia. I happened to see your note at User talk:MarkYabloko. It's great to hear about a project not only encouraging greater coverage of women in Wikipedia, but also encouraging girls to start editing. But I can see a few problems here.


 * If you want to argue that an article should not be "Speedy delete"d, then the place to do so is on the talk page of the article, as it says on the Speedy Delete message on the article - and there's even a button to click to take you to that page. The WP Administrator who is browsing through speedy delete nominations will not check the talk page of the nominator, where you commented, but will notice any comments made on the talk page.


 * Elizabeth Callaghan just doesn't seem to me to be WP:NOTABLE. Yes, she definitely existed, was transported to Australia, and a lot is known about her story. But there's nothing there which merits an encyclopedia article, as far as I can see. Her husband does get an article (he's got an article in the Australian Dictionary of Biography, and national biogs like that are often taken as a rough indication of "notability"); Elizabeth would merit existing as a "redirect" to John_Batman, where she is mentioned, but I really don't see that she's notable enough for an article - fascinating as her story may well be for those interested in Australian social history, or who can trace a family or geographical connection. It will be discouraging for your students if their first creation gets deleted as "not notable", but sadly I can see it happenning.


 * You talk about adding the article for your students. Everyone editing Wikipedia must take responsibility for their own work and have their own editor identity, or edit anonymously as an "IP editor". If you add something in your name it should be what you have written yourself. If the students are editing Wikipedia, they should either do so anonymously or, much better, create user names for themselves (not their real names - let them choose something fantastical. And probably best to choose something gender-neutral: I edit happily with a version of my real name, but some editors reckon that editors identifying as female have a hard time. Just a thought.)


 * There is a lot of useful information about using Wikipedia for school or college projects, because many previous students and teachers have encountered problems through going about things the wrong way. You might find it really helpful to have a look at Student assignments and the training packages available at Training/For educators and Training/For students.  There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey.
 * I see that you mention having to get the article published for a Project Organiser. Please pass on the above advice to her/him.

I hope your students enjoy their experience of editing Wikipedia and will stick around to continue editing, increasing the proportion of female editors and of articles on topics of interest to women. I edit all over the place myself, but with a bias towards creating articles about neglected women - you can see my list of article starts on my user page. I even started the article on Emmaville, New South Wales after we found that some relatives had lived there for a few years in the tin-mining days!

Best wishes for happy editing to you and your students. Pam D  23:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking further I see that you did indeed oppose the speedy deletion in the right place, on the talk page - I was confused by seeing your message elsewhere too. Don't forget to sign all messages on talk pages, using ~ or the "sign" button on the edit bar. Thanks. Pam  D  23:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Wendy Zukerman who you mentioned, misspelled, in your "Please don't delete...", looks as if she ought to have a Wikipedia article - lots of solid coverage, refs like this and her podcast getting a mention in the New York Timeshere. Not the same historical value etc, but perhaps an Australian woman article your students could add to the encyclopedia. Pam  D  00:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I see that you've done quite a bit more work on the article, as has Zpeopleheart, and you've added more references. I've done a bit to tidy the article and make it meet Wikipedia's Manual of Style - for example we refer to biographees by their surname, not forename. But I'm still left looking at the opening paragraph and thinking "So what?". OK, she was a convict, she was transported to Australia. So were hundreds of other people. Looking at the sources I see that someone wrote a 43 page 500-copies work about her and her husband, including questions about whether he hid her and statements made at her inquest. That starts to sound like some sort of story, but the article as at present doesn't convey anything like that. I hope that you and your students can develop the article further, and in particular amend that lead section to tell us why we should be interested in this particular woman. I added the sentence about the town being named after her to the lead, to try to show that she was out of the ordinary. Pam D  17:55, 18 November 2015 (UTC)