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Proposed deletion of Charles W. Massie


The article Charles W. Massie has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Nat Gertler (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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Reliable source
I saw that you've been adding references to the article. However, none of what you've been adding have been to what Wikipedia considers reliable sources, (and yes, that includes Wikipedia itself; see the essay ""Wikipedia is not a reliable source".)

At base, we have a problem in that we don't have anything showing that the subject of your article meets Wikipedia's standards for notability of authors. Because of that, the article is likely to end up being deleted. If there's any questions that I can answer for you about that, or other help that I can give, let me know. --Nat Gertler (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with... It has been stated that this article has no citations and may be deleted. I cite the following citation for the listed author, Charles W. Massie. His book 'The Red Road to Hades' was listed in the Library of Congress in April, 2016. I have attached the direct link ... Thankyou

http://authorities.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Massie%2C+Charles&Search_Code=AHED_&PID=BVy-bjaze3R0CnzWcg-ToDQMt&SEQ=20170428115726&CNT=100&HIST=1

Missevalove (talk) 16:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia content must summarize what reliable third-party sources such as newspapers or literary magazines have reported about the subject - the purpose of references is to allow our readers to verify an article's content. The Red Road to Hades is a "true crime novel", and unless it's an autobiographical true crime novel, it won't provide any information on Massie himself. If it were autobiographical it still would not be an independent source about its own author. Thus the book and its listing in the LoC do not help for Wikipedia's purposes. Huon (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Help me!
Validation ...

These are product reviews from Amazon.com, an INDEPENDENT 3RD PARTY SOURCE ... In each case, the author bio is listed on the page

Amazon Product Reviews

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Bin-Charles-W-Massie/product-reviews/0996666508/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=avp_only_reviews&sortBy=recent

https://www.amazon.com/Stains-Gavel-Charles-W-Massie/dp/1432799142/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493433390&sr=8-1&keywords=charles+w.+massie

https://www.amazon.com/Pinned-Kentucky-Charles-W-Massie/dp/1478712198/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1493433390&sr=8-4&keywords=charles+w.+massie

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Road-Hades-true-crime-ebook/dp/B01DLCEJ5K/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1493433390&sr=8-5&keywords=charles+w.+massie

Missevalove (talk) 02:45, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Missevalove, I am afraid that "About the Author" sections on Amazon product pages are not considered either independent, or reliable sources. While Amazon is in a sense independent of any particular author, Amazon's primary interest is to sell books, and they have been known to change an "author bio" to seem more attractive to potential customers. More commonly, they will simply accept whatever bio an author (or the author's publisher) provides, without editing or verification. This means that the bio is no more reliable than a bio found on an author's personal web site.\
 * What is needed to support a biographical article is writing about the person, typically in a book, newspaper, or magazine, or a web site of comparable function and reliability (not a blog or other self-published site). This is needed to show that people with no personal or financial stake in the matter thought the subject worth writing about, and even more importantly so that an article can be based largely on what reliable sources have written about the subject, not what the subject has written about himself (or herself). Normally there should be several such sources, each covering the subject in some depth, or at least one book-length source, such as a biography of the subject.
 * Please read your First Article, our notability policy, and our policy on biographies. Feel free to ask for further help, either here or at the Teahouse. DES (talk) 06:44, 29 April 2017 (UTC)