User talk:Missvain/Archive 29

Heather Vogel Frederick Article declined
Hi Sarah, I really appreciate the feedback you provided for my article. I was having trouble with my references. So interviews with the person are not acceptable? As a novice in the world of Wikipedia, I am not that familiar with the referencing requirements. In writing my article, I checked the formatting and such with this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ally_Carter and I thought I could use similar sources. Sorry for troubling you. Also, for personal information (background) wouldn't it be accurate if it was from the person? Apologies for my lack of understanding. 15sophiah (talk) 07:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. First, one tip I have to tell folks about is OTHERSTUFF. There is always other stuff. It generally matters about your one article, more than anything else. I tagged Ally Carter for using too many primary sources. Technically, there are only two reliable sources there - News Watch and the Brisbane newspapers. Her own website and blogs about her are not reliable. So, please replace 1) any citations from her website or using content written by Frederick or her publishers 2) Anything from non-reliable sources like blogs or corporate websites. Interviews are ok as long as they are from credible reliable secondary sources. And yes, personal information from the subjects website, etc, is not a reliable source. You can read more about reliable sources and what they are here: WP:RELIABLE. I'm traveling, so additional questions can be quickly responded to at the WP:TEAHOUSE. Good luck! SarahStierch (talk) 13:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

ASTEP at AfC
I am stunned that you have declined Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Altitude SEE Test European Platform (ASTEP). I have nothing to do with this article or the organisation, but it is almost self-evident that it is notable. If this had come up at AfD, the very first thing we would do is click the "find sources" button, and the very first thing that comes up is an article in the peer reviewed IEEE Transactions on Nuclear Science. Followed by numerous scholarly papers and even books about the subject. Surely just looking at the papers listed in the "Related publications" section of the article should be enough to establish notability.

The Foundation say that they want to encourage expert editors. With this kind of obstacle being put in their way it is no wonder that most of them turn round and walk away after the first attempt. Just to rub it in for this author, the logo has been put up for deletion. We would stand a better chance of keeping this editor if we were to help them by converting the logo licence to "fair use" (which as a logo for an organisation in an article about that organisation it easily qualifies of course) rather than kicking them with an unnecessary deletion.

If this is an example of what we are going to lose when bots are allowed to delete the 100,000 articles qualifying under CSD then it doesn't bear thinking about. If the system at AfC is to set the hurdle so high that editors give up and just add to the backlog then AfC has probably lost its way entirely. As a counterproductive project it should probably be wound up altogether.  Spinning Spark  14:37, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I left some comments at the draft, copyedited it, and added some more references. Unfortunately, I also had to remove half the article as it was copied from the author's publications. But, even in its reduced state, it seems notable enough to go into article space. Voceditenore (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

World Digital Library
Thank you for inviting me to participate in the World Digital Library Wikipedia Partnership. It is always nice to hear from another northern California Wikipedian. After reading through available links describing the project, I question if the project would be a good fit for my interests and abilities. Perhaps you could answer a few questions to help me see how I might participate.

Assuming this wasn't a blanket invitation, why did you choose to invite me?

My historical interest focus is 19th and 20th century technology. I didn't see many articles within this area of interest on the to-do list; and for the few I found potentially interesting, I was unable to identify applicable sources within the World Digital Library (WDL). Could you steer me toward some WDL resources on the subject of 19th or 20th century technology?

Have I missed some other approach you had in mind? Thewellman (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Are you involved in a WikiProject related to US History? That's probably how I stumbled across you. Generally people put their interests (i.e. "I'm into general US history" "I'm into historic places in Idaho") and perhaps you had a general interest or something so I invited you. I am specifically inviting people who I find express interest in subjects related to the WDL holdings. So perhaps I was mistaken, or perhaps someplace, on Wikipedia, you state you're interested in general history or...so far I've only covered African diaspora, Spainish history, general US history and certain states. But no, we don't have anything about 19th/20th century technology. Sorry if this was a mistake! Surely a good faith effort and perhaps it was an error in my part! Sorry to waste your time :-( SarahStierch (talk) 02:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

World Digital Library information
Thank you for the invitation for working on the World Digital Library. I do want to work for it, as I do see information that I could expand (Latin America and the Iberian influence there in particular), and am strongly considering to sign up. There is a chance that I might not be able to work on it immediately, if much at all for the moment, however. Do I need to have my information in by a particular time? And will I receive more information on how to edit, etc.? Thanks for reading!LeftAire (talk) 02:43, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi! No, no specific time. It's an ongoing project. There's no pressure - at all. When you say information how to edit - I'm not sure if you mean strong guidance on editing in general? If so, the best place for that is the Teahouse. I'll do my best to support, but I will be supporting all of the project volunteers, including others that I help in other projects. So if you have specific answers on editing Wikipedia in general the Teahouse is the best place. But, anything WDL specific I'm happy to help with. I hope you'll join us! :) SarahStierch (talk) 02:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I should have been more specific. I was just referring to editing information on the WDL website itself. Until I read you message around an hour ago, I never been on the website. I'll take your advice, and if I do sign up, I will make sure to do so within 48-72 hours, more than likely. Once again, thanks for reading!LeftAire (talk) 03:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI
Came across this conference and thought it may interest you. Best. RashersTierney (talk) 08:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, very cool. Thanks RashersTierney. Sadly I won't be able attend due to work obligations, though it's always great to hear about conferences. It's best if I'm able to submit proposals (I can get funding that way), so I'll keep an eye on this one for next year! SarahStierch (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Sarah...
I'm surprised that you are not using one of User:RexRowan's userboxes that declares your involvement with Category:Wikipedians who support the WikiWoman's Collaborative. Technical 13 (talk) 17:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Bumping thread Technical 13 (talk) 23:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm quite aware of it. I'm not a big fanatical userbox person. It's cool that they exist! (Sorry to fail at setting an example). SarahStierch (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, wasn't sure if you knew that I recently added the categorization to the boxes. You could always manually add yourself to the appropriate categories.  Technical 13 (talk) 23:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

World Digital Library
I understand why you invited me to join the World Digital Library, because we have met at Wikimania 2012 and before, and you can easily see my many contributions on history and other subjects. I can see many needed improvements to the Category:World Digital Library. I have not found articles in the WDL itself that I would use to contribute articles or improvements to articles in English Wikipedia. Maybe I need to look further at WDL, or maybe I need your wise advice. You should answer right here.--DThomsen8 (talk) 19:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Answering my own comments, I now see how to contribute new Wikipedia articles linked to WDL articles. I am changing the project to do list to make it more obvious to other editors.--DThomsen8 (talk) 20:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

World Digital Library question
I have a question. Are the images used at the library public domain? I created and have begun working on Codex Huamantla. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * In general, the WDL articles are not public domain. It depends on the particular WDL contributor. --DThomsen8 (talk) 20:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Chris. Actually WDL images aren't all in the public domain, it's provided by partners around the world. Each image should have it's own image rights information. However, information related to the Codex are - as all Codex images, since they are so old. WDL is asking that I do not promote using our images, however, I'm not responsible for what people decide to with those images as long as they are used appropriately. ;) SarahStierch (talk) 20:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And in regards to text, the descriptions are often written by federal employees, making most of it public domain. However, I'd need an OTRS letter to prove that I'm sure. SarahStierch (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your message
Hi Sarah

Thanks for letting me know about the WDL project. It looks like you've got some really interesting stuff available online there. I've already spotted a copy of the original Rwandan constitution (in French), which could definitely be valuable for some article writing.

I will sign up for the project and look forward to perusing the archives! Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yay! I'm so happy to hear that. DO be sure to share your outcomes on the....outcomes page (you guessed it!). I can't wait to see what you do with our content - and if you can read and write in French, that will be so cool to see be improved in multiple languages. I often think a lot about the impact that material can have on people in the countries where the content is from. Thanks for all you do. SarahStierch (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

RE: Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library!
Hi Sarah, Thank you for the WLD's notice. Am ready to collaborate and signed up. Regards. --Enock4seth (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * awesome I'm so happy to hear that. I can't wait to see your outcomes. Thanks for joining! SarahStierch (talk) 23:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome --Enock4seth (talk) 23:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Declined Mayor Patricia Matthews
Hello Sarah;

I had read and understood the Notability requirement for Wikipedia but felt that the Mayor of the fastest growing city in Canada was Notable. The article provides 36 references from Gold Medal Olympians to Statistics Canada and as such I felt it was well documented.

If you would be good enough to provide more detail and some suggestions to enhance the article, I would appreciate it. As you can see from the timeline this was not a trivial application.

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calgarytech (talk • contribs) 02:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. It's great that she's Mayor. Sadly, we need to meet the POLITICIAN guidelines before we can have an article about her. It doesn't matter what city she is from or who she is, or who she knows. And having a "mere mention" - i.e. one mention that she did something with an Olympian doesn't matter. We need extensive coverage about her in all the sources you use. Please see the link i shared there for more information. You can also get second opinions at the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to improve WIkipedia! SarahStierch (talk) 17:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sarah;

I did read the references you supplied and in fact, I had read them prior to creating the page. Mayor Matthews is referred to constantly in major papers and Alberta TV. This week alone she was in the Calgary Harold (with photos) twice. The Gold Medal Olympian reference was just one of 30+ already in the article. If I just listed all of the articles and references, I would need many pages but the article would be unreadable. Should I create a section called EXTERNAL LINKS and then provide a list of some additional references or is there some other preferred methodology?

She also received Queen Elizabeth's "Diamond Jubilee Award" earlier this year, but she likes to downplay it so I did not mention it. Is this something that would advance the acceptance of the submission? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calgarytech (talk • contribs) 04:01, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Guestbook
Hey! Sarah, would you mind signing my Guestbook, I feel a great respect for you and I would like your sig. You can find a link to it in my User Page. Thanx.  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  19:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Webinar / edit-a-thon at the National Library of Medicine (NLM)
Join us at the NLM next week, either in person or online, to learn about NLM resources, hear some great speakers, and do some editing!

On Tuesday, 28 May there will be a community Wikipedia meeting at the United States National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland - with a second on Thursday, 30 May for those who can't make it on Tuesday. You can participate either in-person, or via an online webinar. If you attend in person, USB sticks (but not external drives) are ok to use.

Please go to the event page to get more information, including a detailed program schedule.

If you are interested in participating, please register by sending an email to pmhmeet@gmail.com. Please indicate if you are coming in person or if you will be joining us via the webinar. After registering, you will receive additional information about how to get to our campus (if coming in-person) and details about how to join the webinar. Klortho (talk) 00:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_G._Adler
Really really appreciate your acceptance of this article. Many thanks. Your co-editors could do a better job, when rejecting articles, though. Constructive help instead of hurtful and deflating comments, especially if done multiple times, are not encouraging. All useful submissions should be valued, if you are an encyclopedia. Especially in novel areas. I understand the requirement for facts, but in a submission like my one it is very obvious that the miriad blog pictures and news cuttings, a University published memorial tribute book with ISBN, and an honarary Phd award from a recognised quality University cannot be fabricated, even today.

My questions:

Do I have to go through this long depressing process to submit a further article(s)? I couldn't help noticing that many Wiki articles have just a few lines, no references, perhaps one link and the header "references required".

This subject article has been rather drastically edited since the latest (3rd) rejection, on the lines suggested, before you relieved us of our anxiety. The "orphan", "links", "intricate detail", have been amended considerably. How do I go about getting re-consideration, re: this clause removal?

Thank you Aldercraft (talk) 20:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * Thanks a lot for your sign, I loved it.
 * No problem, Sarah. I am willing to do more for this wonderful encyclopedia. As for U2, I like The Unforgettable Fire a lot, but my favorite album is Achtung Baby. (I think I love all U2 albums :P). Again, Thank you! (mainly for that part of an awesome WikiWoman) :) I don't know if I deserve it but thanks! :)  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  12:55, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank-you
Hi SarahStierch, thanks for deleting my subpage as requested. Best wishes ''' Flat Out  let's discuss it  02:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sarah!
Can one delete some history for a user talk page?? I mean, when I am posting something I usually forget to add something or I need to correct some typos. but those changes are shown in the history. Can someone delete those useless "stuffs" and leave only the most recent change??? Cheers??  Miss Bono   (zootalk)  15:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Miss Bono. I can strike something from your talk page history but it will show as being struck or removed. Any admin can help you with that. SarahStierch (talk) 15:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Miss Bono   (zootalk)  15:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Valerie Miles article
Hi Sarah, I just saw it was created. I guess this means it has been accepted? I see that it needs improvements either way but it's nice to see it up there for a start. What does the tag mean exactly when it says it will be removed shortly? I was also wondering why it comes up in a Wikipedia search but not in a Google search? Thank you so much Sarah for your kind help.

Daniiinm (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject U.S. Roads
I was wondering if the World Digital Library will be able to be used on articles subordinate to WikiProject U.S. Roads? My number one focus on Wikipedia is editing articles on roads in the US (mainly Interstate highways, U.S. highways, and Georgia state routes). If the WDL can be used, I would appreciate it if you would please show me how. Also, since I have never used the WDL before, I have no idea how to start doing it. Thank you so much for your help. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 05:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. You can search at WDL.org in the general search box. However, I don't believe WDL, at this time, has a lot to do with US roads. For four months I've been working on these to-do lists, and you might find something US roads related. Check out the North America page here. If there isn't anything, I'll sure keep you posted if something comes up! Thanks so much for wanting to be involved and for volunteering to edit Wikipedia! SarahStierch (talk) 13:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. I would have replied sooner, but I was busy yesterday. For the most part, I was editing one of my sandbox pages, to be able to convert U.S. Route 78 in South Carolina from a redirect to an actual article. I think I will look to see just what the WDL might have. Thanks again! Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You were right: The WDL didn't seem to have anything for USRD. I am a fairly active editor at USRD, so I really would like to have some resources to be able to add to the articles I edit. Thank you, Sarah, again, for the notice (& help). Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

World Digital Library and photos from the website
Is it possible to use the images as well as the information off of the website. I did sign up today, and saw the Castillo del Morro page being beneficial for use of citing as well as the photo. If not, I'll probably have to look for it on the internet elsewhere and upload it onto Wikipedia. Thanks for reading! LeftAire (talk) 21:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi LeftAire! So glad to see you signed up. I think this might answer your question, it's answered by a staff member at WDL: Wikipedia_talk:GLAM/World_Digital_Library. If you don't find what you're looking for there, let me know! SarahStierch (talk) 05:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Vamana (Panchakarma)
Dear SarahStierch, Good morning! The article of Vamana (Panchakarma) was deleted with speedy deletion. I was out of station for 2 days with no net access as I was not able to contest the speedy deletion. I was not able to see the deletion discussion. Can you please share the deletion discussion for the article? Thanks. --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 06:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Dawson v. Delaware
Hi, Sarah. Thank you for taking the time to review and post my article on Dawson v. Delaware. This particular case has some personal significance to me, as I wrote a brief on it for my First Amendment law class in college. I'm glad I was finally able to finish the article on the subject and have it posted. I appreciate your efforts to make this happen.Cag1970 (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

How?
how will you know who to award a Barnstar if many users have for example expanded the same article? and even if a add the category World Digital Library related, how will you be able to tell who added that to an article? luwii 13:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luwii (talk • contribs)
 * I can look at your contributions. Or look at the articles in the outcomes and see who contributed to the article. Or you can leave a message on the talk page for the WDL project perhaps. It won't happen over night. I'm hoping people contribute for a while before instantly being awarded a barnstar. So, I do hope you'll be fruitful and generous with your contributions. I look forward to seeing them. Thank you. SarahStierch (talk) 15:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the response Luwii (talk)

WDL?
Sarah--Thanks for mentioning the WDL on my usertalk page. I signed up for the project, but don't know what (if any) useful resources that might get me. For example, today, I was editing the Robert Carter III page at my local library's closed stacks. I wanted to include a picture, but I don't know if the only known picture of him is on the WDL. It's on the cover of the Levy book I read and cited, as well as posted on the Virginia Historical Society website, http://www.vahistorical.org/dynasties/robertcarter.htm. Plus, I'd like to add sources, and the Dictionary of Virginia Biography mentions a periodical called the American Quarterly, to which the reference librarian thinks our Arlington doesn't subscribe. Any suggestions? I'd love to come to the event in Bethesda tomorrow evening, and am sorry I missed yesterday's, but I need to return to Chicago....Jweaver28 (talk) 22:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I'm not sure what to do about the journals the Virginia library doesn't subscribe to. I'm only focused on the WDL project - working on improving articles using WDL webpages and other pages when I find them (i.e. using the Virginia site to improve an article). You'd have to talk to a library or look online I guess to try to find access to the American Quarterly. Sorry I can't provide much input. I'm also not sure if WDL is the only place with any images of Carter. You can see a discussion about the images on WDL here. That's also a great place to ask questions, as staff members from WDL do watch it. I don't live in the DC area anymore, so I won't be attending the event in Maryland. (Or..couldn't...I guess!) Thanks for volunteering, sorry I can't be as helpful with your query this time. SarahStierch (talk) 22:38, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for the quick reply. It doesn't appear that the photo (the only one known of Carter according to his biographer) is yet in the WDL. It seems that Brown University's library, and Florida's library/archives participate in the WDL, but maybe not the Library of Virginia and the Virginia Historical Society, even though I thought I once saw a GLAM link at least at the former or concerning William & Mary's Swem library. Are there per-institution or per-state contacts, or do I just do my Ms. Magoo thing at those places and hope?Jweaver28 (talk) 10:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I don't have institutional or state contacts. I'd advise just going to the institutional website, looking through records and then contacting archivists and/or image rights contacts there. Ms. Magoo :) SarahStierch (talk) 14:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Participation in WikiProject World Digital Library
Hi, not now yet. Thank you for invitation, -- Zara-arush (talk) 20:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Wiki-cy
Left a short message for you here, Sarah. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:38, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

WDL and Commons
Hi Sarah, thank you for inviting me to WDL. Very nice project. I added my name to the list. Quick question: can images from the books at WDL be imported on Commons? What is their license? Thanks --Codrin.B (talk) 09:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Codrinb! Here is the best place to find a response about that: Wikipedia_talk:GLAM/World_Digital_Library/Outcomes. It's also the best place to ask questions - as myself, staff members at WDL and other volunteers watch it. Thanks for participating. Just let me know if that doesn't provide you the answer you are looking for :) SarahStierch (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

File:Herwald Ramsbotham, 1st Viscount Soulbury.jpg
When you restored File:Herwald Ramsbotham, 1st Viscount Soulbury.jpg, were you doing so just on the basis of OTRS ticket 2013012410005334 or are you in possession of other information validating the authenticity of the license? The image was deleted on the basis of because the claim of permission was not believed. Is restoring the image a Foundation action or a regular admin one? Both images seem to be scanned from either a newspaper or magazine, so there needs to be some explanation of where the images came from and how this individual became the copyright holder. For example, merely being in possession of an old newspaper clipping does not make you the copyright holder. --B (talk) 10:07, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, when you add OTRS received, please specify the ticket number, e.g. .  If no reply to our request for followup has been received a month from now and we're looking at the image to either delete it or send another email to the copyright holder, then we need to know the ticket to do that. --B (talk) 10:57, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought I had "re-deleted" the image. Perhaps that was one of the other 300 OTRS permission tickets I processed yesterday. So having one slip up ain't too bad ;) I do try to assume good faith, and I was allowing the permission person to claim further information about the item (I don't remember what I replied to them with). I figure if they don't reply in 7 days we should just delete it, again. SarahStierch (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 300 is impressive! I saw a lot of them had disappeared.  Regarding assume good faith, that's true, but the one thing to keep in mind is that good faith != good understanding.  A lot of people incorrectly believe "I'm in possession of it" = "I own the copyright".  There are other people who think that "publicly available" = "public domain".  Heck, there was even a lawyer that I processed a ticket from who insisted that the mandatory copyright registration requirement is still in place.  (It is not, but in order to collect statutory damages, you have to register your copyright.  If you don't, you can only collect actual damages.) If the person claiming to be the copyright holder is some person other than the photographer, then we need to have a good explanation of how that person became the copyright holder.  I don't think it's necessary for them to prove it (that's where assume good faith comes in) but they at least should demonstrate understanding. --B (talk) 00:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Deleted Page: Albert and Shirley Small Special Collections Library
Hey there Sarah,

Thanks so much for your comments on the Wikipedia page that I tried submitting a few weeks ago. I have followed your suggestions and am about to resubmit the page (another user submitted the original version, which I had then edited further). I hope that it meets the notability requirements now. I'll look forward to your feedback if you would be willing to take a look at the revised page.Best wishes!Leofstan (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Your recent review
Regarding your review of Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Maloti_Drakensberg_Route_%28MDR%29 and subsequent notification you added to my talkpage, just a courtesy notification I have moved your comment to the talkpage of the user who wrote the article and on whose behalf I added the submit template. Thanks. --nonsense ferret 20:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Submission declined on 3 June 2013
Hi Sarah, Thank you for your comments regarding the Wikipedia article that I submitted last week. I understand your suggestions regarding the references so I'll work further to improve this information. I will resubmit the article once the references are completed. Have a nice day! :) Vzuloaga (03.06.2013)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vzuloaga (talk • contribs) 11:07, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

DC WikiSalon on June 6
Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next DC WikiSalon, which will be held on the evening of Thursday, June 6 at our K Street office.

The WikiSalon an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss the Wikimedia projects and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own. Light refreshments will be provided.

We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill [talk] 11:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Submission declined on June 1 for article Erste Abwicklungsanstalt
Hi Sarah, the notability of this 'bad bank'-like institution is beyond doubt since it's one of only two institutions of this kind in Germany (the other one being FMS WM, the band bank of HRE). It will wind down major positions which originate from UK business, thus it's relevant to the UK as well. The citation of EU commission sources is highly official, reliable and independant. Yet, I have added some more references to articles from major newspapers. The problem with EAA in the news is that it's always mentioned in connection with WestLB since EAA is a direct result of the break-up of WestLB demanded by the EU commission. You may regard this as "passing mention" but you will not find an article on the foundation of EAA without reference to WestLB. Lavoulte (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

, we moved your Teahouse host profile
Hello SarahStierch! Thank you for being a host at the Teahouse. However, we haven't heard from you lately, so our bot has moved your Host profile from the host landing page to the host breakroom. No worries; you can always just and our bot will move your profile back. Editing any Teahouse-related page will do the same thing for you. If you would prefer not to receive reminders like this, you can unsubscribe here. Thanks for your help at the Teahouse! HostBot (talk) 03:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Declined article Jim Fox (record producer/sound engineer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jim_Fox

Sarah: Thanks so much for reviewing my article. I hope you don't mind if I make a couple of short points. First, Wiki has a "subcategory" (for lack of a better term) for "Reggae." There are many accomplished reggae artists included in this subcategory, many of which reference Jim Fox directly within their articles. Having a "Reggae" subcategory without including Jim Fox is like having a "Soul" subcategory and not including Barry Gordy. He is responsible for almost half of all reggae albums recorded. I realize that he may not meet "notability" standards based on a lack of wide coverage in media, but let's face it, there are very few media outlets who cover reggae music, and the ones that do are not considered "reliable" by some editors.

I reference a very detailed 3-part series strictly about Fox and his studio which I wrote and published to World-A-Reggae, one of only two internationally known reggae news and reviews sites on the web. The 3-part series includes detailed interviews with several living reggae legends who have detailed pages on Wiki. Each speaks directly to and about Fox's significance and influence as a record producer. One of the artists interviewed about Fox, Junior Marvin, was the lead guitarist for Bob Marley and the Wailers! I'm at a loss, really. Are there any reggae sources you would accept as reliable? Makes me wonder how all of the reggae artists got pages here.

Please don't misunderstand my message. I am looking for answers. A solution. Can you give me some guidance? Would you consider accepting my 3-part series as a reliable source? It was published to 3 different reggae news zines, all of which are held in high regard in the reggae community.

Here are the links: http://www.worldareggae.com/reggaeyard/lion-and-fox-making-reggae-history-in-the-heart-of-babylon-part-1-of-3/ http://inityweekly.com/lion-and-fox-making-reggae-history-in-the-heart-of-babylon-part-1-of-3/ http://midnightraverblog.com/2012/09/09/lion-and-fox-making-reggae-history-in-the-heart-of-babylon-part-1-of-3/

Many thanks...Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midnightraverblog (talk • contribs) 14:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Mike. You're welcome to resubmit the article and another Wikipedian will come by and review it. You can also get additional help here: WP:TEAHOUSE, a space I co-designed to help editors find easy, fast and friendly help. A few things:

Good luck and thank you! SarahStierch (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Being listed in other Wikipedia articles doesn't establish notability for subjects.
 * 2) That's the same article being listed in three different publications. First, the blogs are not reliable secondary sources. Very few blogs are (i.e. the New York Times blog, but even that is challenged frequently) so don't keep that one.
 * 3) Chose the one you think is the most notable and reliable in the reggae community. It doesn't matter if your article was published in 3 zines, as long as it's published in one reliable secondary source.
 * 4) You could always ask for help from editors who have written about reggae artists. I would suggest asking for help on the talk page for WikiProject Reggae. They can give you input and probably educated second opinions on the article.
 * p.s. you never want to cite your own work when your blog is the same name as your username. You can get blocked for that due to WP:CONFLICT OF INTEREST. So please keep that in mind :) SarahStierch (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Family Emergency
Sarah, I hope everything is okay with you and your family. I will be praying for you and yours. Take care! Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 18:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is everything okay with you and your family? I hope God comforts you guys in your time of need. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As I put below, thanks for the barnstars and cookies. However, on my Kudos page, I tried to enclose the barnstar and cookies messages in a table, but it didn't work. The code got messed up somehow. Could you try to fix the page for me? Thanks. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 21:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like it's OK on my end? :-/ Is it fixed? SarahStierch (talk) 22:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it. What do you think?  If there is any better way to fix it? Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 22:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I really stuck at template stuff like that. So I can't really provide any better input :( It looks "ok" to me.. SarahStierch (talk) 22:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Clara Leach Adams-Ender
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Assistance
Hi SarahStierch, if you have a moment could you please have a look at the redirect from User:Pollack_man34 to User:Mick_man34 ? The accounts seem to be used interchangeably; is this allowed? I went to one account to give a warning but ended up at the other account. ''' Flat Out  let's discuss it  00:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I figure as long as they aren't editing with the first account, then perhaps it's ok. It might be best to bring this up on the Admin noticeboard? SarahStierch (talk) 14:58, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems both are in use, but I will follow up, thank-you ''' Flat Out  let's discuss it  23:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Review
Hi Sarah, Thanks very much for your review of the File:Manav Gupta.jpg. It inspires editors like me to learn further and feel a sense of belonging to Wikipedia. Regards, Max roosevelt (talk) 18:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Have time on Saturday?
I'm sorry for the last-minute notice, but on Saturday, June 8, from 3 to 6 PM, Wikimedia DC and the Cato Institute are hosting a Legislative Data Meetup. We will discuss the work done so far by WikiProject U.S. Federal Government Legislative Data to put data from Congress onto Wikipedia, as well as what more needs to be done. If you have ideas you'd like to contribute, or if you're just curious and feel like meeting up with other Wikipedians, you are welcome to come! Be sure to RSVP here if you're interested.

I hope to see you there!

(You can unsubscribe from future notifications for D.C.-area events by removing your name from this list.)

Harej (talk) 04:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

WDL cat
Not upset or offended or anything, just curious; why? Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  12:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * On an unrelated WDL note, do you have access to any more significant search facilities than that provided at wdl.org? I'm trying to track down additional refs for Xue Susu (fascinating topic!) and wondered if WDL might have anything hidden away in its archives. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I noticed that the Hu Zhengyan article did not used World Digital Library's website as a source, thus I don't need to track it for data purposes. Unless I was incorrect and missed the citation entirely? Please let me know. And no, sadly I don't have access to anything else. If you need something, I might be able to put you in touch with someone. WDL doesn't have an archive of it's own. We're an entirely digital project that has an office of about 10 people in the offices of the Library of Congress. Partners - even the Library of Congress - sends WDL staff digitized images, writings and metadata and WDL staff then does all the magic for it and puts it on their website (surprisingly very time consuming). So WDL itself does not. If you know of a certain partner that you think might have something, then I can maybe put you in touch with them through email. THanks for all of your involvement! SarahStierch (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Citation number 8, last time I checked - it uses Theo's template, but the bot that updates the refs is currently down, so that's probably why you missed it. I'll have a look at the most likely suspects for a decent write-up on Ms Xue and let you know if there's anything particularly juicy that you might be able to snag for me. All the best, Yunshui  雲 &zwj; 水  22:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, I just noticed that on another article. We can add the category back, sorry about that. I've been using this and not Theo's yet! SarahStierch (talk) 23:47, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've put the category back (and manually expanded the reference, since I don't know how long the bot will be offline for) - figured you'd want it back under the WDL banner, since it's about to be promoted to GA status... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: it's about to be "it has now been". Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC on title of Sarah Brown (wife of Gordon Brown)
Hi, this is to let everyone who commented in the last RM know that there's another RM/RfC here, in case you'd like to comment again. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Emeraz
Hi Sarah,

Thank you for the review. I appreciate your comments and I have done as you have suggested. Would you be able to tell me if it would pass review now or not?

Thanks, Steve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.champion1989 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I did remove one of the external links for the Zebra, as we don't put links for websites in the article content (see WP:EXTERNAL). I'd also remove the promotional quote from Ross Gautreau. It reads like you're trying to subtly promote the website by having someone quoted as saying how great the website is. If you don't remove it, I might, or someone else will. ANd of course, anything uncited can be removed without question. I'd resubmit it if I was you, I think it will have a better chance of being accepted now. Also, one tip: don't forget to sign your posts to talk pages. You can do this by typing four tildes ( ~ ), therefore we know who you are and we don't have to have a robot come by and tell us :) Thanks and I hope you'll stick around and edit beyond this one article! SarahStierch (talk) 16:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cheah Cheng Hye
hi Sarah! Thanks for reviewing on the subject matter. I am confused as to the "neutral tone" because the creation is basically about facts and the reference are mostly from recognized media or government sources. Would you kindly point out which part of the creation is not "written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article" so that I could edit and resubmit? Thank you very much!

Tsuitsui (talk) 09:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

concerning your decline of our article "Limbic psychotic trigger reaction" we would like to know what is not reliable about my publications in various recognized scientific journals and the listing in Neurolaw News. Please can you help us. AA Pontius Rattalma (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Your article submission sandbox


Hello SarahStierch. It has now been over six months since you last edited your article submission, entitled sandbox.

If you no longer want this submission, it will shortly be deleted. However, if you wish to keep it, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, copy this code:, paste it in the edit box at this link , click "Save", and an administrator will place the undeleted submission in your user space.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. j⚛e deckertalk 19:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Article Declined Chlorine
Thanks for reviewing the Chlorine article. I added more references I appreciate any feedback. Have a good weekend! Wonderlust17 (talk) 20:13, 8 June 2013 (UTC)wonderlust17

This Month in GLAM: May 2013
Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 22:51, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ewing Galloway
Gatoclass 00:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Mr Clean bug
I've fixed it. See User_talk:EpochFail Thanks for reporting. -- EpochFail (talk &bull; work) 18:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Curious and confused
According to your Edit Summary at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, you rewrote the Section, Notable people, to "... align with preferred paragraph style". A list written in paragraph style? I am curious and confused. Respectfully,  Tiyang (talk) 08:06, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a big fan of the preferred prose method when writing sections about notable people living in places. You can learn more about it here: WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline. I encourage you, to also join WP:CITIES if it interests you :) SarahStierch (talk) 17:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * stet  Tiyang (talk) 04:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Review of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Gosalvez
Hi Sarah,I'm helping with the editing of the article. I searched public secondary references for citations requested. 1st citation needed, Added secondary reference. An article in the newspaper "ABC" of Spain. Unfortunately, no public references about the wedding. I hope this will not be a problem. 2nd citation needed, the reference two shows the work of Dr. Gosalvez with Britton Chance. The reference three shows the work of Dr. Gosalvez with Sidney Weinhouse. The reference number 1 could be valid also. 3rd citation needed, Added the reference 1. 4th and 5th citation needed: No secondary references on this point. If necessary I remove it. Awards section, 6th and 7th citation needed, Still searching for public reference. 8th citation needed, The contract numbers are not enough? I await your comments. Thank you very much for your help,Leandro.bonilla (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. It's probably a good idea to have someone else review this one (feel free to resubmit). I look at it as it still shows that most of the citations (majority) are written by or written with the subject as an editor. And my lack of knowledge about the subject past the basics of my first review mean I don't feel as adequate to review it this second time. I wish I could, but, I'd like a second opinion. So feel free to resubmit, but remember - if there aren't enough reliable secondary sources that DON'T involve the subject writing it (i.e. articles written about him) then it is still troublesome. But hey, I could be wrong :) SarahStierch (talk) 00:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

DC meetup & dinner on Saturday, June 15!
Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, June 15 at 5:30 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 19:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Prime Circle article
Hi Sarah, Please could you review the talk page of the above article relating to the contesting of the article's musical notability.

Thanks Calsimsa (talk) 20:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great that you found so many reliable secondary sources. The article still has no inline citations displaying the notability in the actual article. So I'd expand the article with reliable secondary sources and remove anything uncited. Until reliable secondary sources are added into the article, we can't really do much else. Feel free to remove the templates when you want as long as the article is improved. The talk page is a good place to discuss things, but, in the end we need to have sources citing the article itself. THanks! SarahStierch (talk) 20:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sarah. Calsimsa (talk) 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Platform Racing
Hi Sarah, I think you forgot the two other articles that were bundled in with this...regards, GiantSnowman 17:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, yes I did. I realized that just a few minutes ago. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 17:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy at Tess060304/Personal sandbox
Not sure if you thought that was a G7, but it was tagged with G2. § FreeRangeFrog croak 23:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Declined page " New York Sun Works"
Hi Sarah, thanks so much for reviewing the articles. According to your comments, you said " there are still some uncited claims", I confused if every single sentences should come with specific cites and references?

Here is the pages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/nysunworks

Thank you ! (Roger0206 (talk) 12:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC))
 * Hi Roger. In theory, an entire article should be cited with reliable sources. If you aren't associated with the organization, then it'd be pretty tough for you to get that information without a conflict of interest, and having COI when writing Wikipedia is against policy (you can get blocked for editing on behalf of someone or something). So, without reliable secondary sources citing content in that article, it will be removed. I hope that helps! It makes the article as reliable as it can be - and Wikipedia isn't a phone book or an advertising website, so it's important we have reliable content, even if Other stuff exists. Hope that helps and I hope you'll continue to contribute outside of this article! Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Bikini - Thanks!
Hi! I have taken an interest in improving Bikini and so over the past several days have worked on rationalizing the image selection and layout. Today I stopped by the article for another quick look, and saw that you had made a disambiguation-edit. I am not familiar with Wikipedia administrators and how they function, so I looked at your minute-by-minute contributions today to try to place the bikini-edit, and was overwhelmed by the amt. of editing you're doing. I don't know how you became aware that a photo caption in the article on the bikini need disambiguating, but I was happy so I clicked a button in the article's edit history next to your record that supposedly would let me "thank" you (for the edit), although I have no idea how/if that works or what message of thanks you'd receive, if any...so I thought I'd just leave you a message here.

Thus, however it came to your attention that Athletics had to be disambiguated to Athletics(sport) in a photo caption in the bikini article, I just wanted to thank you for making the correction!! Azx2 18:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject World Digital Library
Thank you much for your presious interest. Of caurse I will glad and very happy to participate in this project. I will try to visit it when I will not busy ;). Best regards. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 20:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Gia Skova
Hello! Could you check out the article about the model? Thank you! Morkovka24804 (talk) 06:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Please be patient, we have over 1,000 articles that need review. Someone will get to it soon! SarahStierch (talk) 15:42, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Articles for creation/Wouter Van Belle
"This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability" - Could you elaborate please?

Among the sources used are 2 major nieuwspapers, a magazine and public television channel, which all have en.wiki entries: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HUMO‎ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Standaard ‎ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Het_Laatste_Nieuws en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_(Belgium)‎ And they all pretty much cite the subject as having contributed to the succes of bands, which nearly all have wikipedia entries. So I remain confused, especially when looking at other wikipages with close to none referencing, in the same domain, notably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axelle_Red --Euro-music-editor (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. First, that Axelle Red article (and you link to another Wikipedia article by simply typing Wikipedia article title ) is a pretty poor musical act example. I actually tagged it as lacking reliable secondary sources (WP:RS). Remember, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but that doesn't matter, all that matters is the one article we are looking at - and that is your article submission. You can find some good inspiration on how to write a good musician biography here: WikiProject Musicians. I am traveling so you can generally get a faster response on the talk page there, where the specialize in music biographies, or at the Teahouse: WP:TEAHOUSE. Anyway, to be included in Wikipedia, a subject has to be significantly covered in a reliable secondary source. Significantly means an entire article written about the subject or they are featured heavily in the article. You can learn more about that here: Notability (music). I'm pretty sure I linked to it in the pink box on the rejection section of the submission you made.
 * Here are the concerns about your citations:
 * the subject is merely mentioned twice. This article isn't about the subject, he's just mentioned twice in it. That is not significant.
 * is a mere mention again (not significant)
 * his name isn't even mentioned here
 * the subject is mentioned once as a talent scout. There are lots of non-notable talent scouts. One name drop in Billboard is not significant.
 * this is not a reliable source
 * similar to the Billboard mention. You could use this to say he manages bands but it doesn't establish his notability.
 * this is a primary source and thus not notable
 * these are the two that cover him significantly as being a judge on television shows.
 * I'm not saying he shouldn't be on Wikipedia. But, please remove the unreliable sources (the primary sources I mentioned), either cite or remove anything uncited with a reliable secondary source, and remove any promotional language (claims of commercial success, we don't care - he's clearly made an impact if he gets a Wikipedia article, an we have to keep Wikipedia super boring). Even words like "This would mark a long standing relationship between blahblah..." is romanticizing and promotional in nature. Just keep it to the facts and nothing more. Feel free to resubmit then. Remember, it's best to have a well cited article then no article or a heavily tagged article with lots of problems. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

How to improve my article
Hi Sarah,

I have read your comments, and would like to improve my article.

As for references, are the national radio/6 Music Blog on the artist, and I-tunes chart positioning's not enough? Or are they acceptable but should the individuals social media links be replaced for more sources like the ones I got from the Guardian?

If there are any tips on how I can improve this article, so it could one day be considered for creation, please let me know.

EDIT: was also confused as to why the first BBC link on the artist is unacceptable? It's information according to the pages disclaimer comes from Third party sources, only approved/checked by the BBC.

EDIT 2: I have replaced the Facebook Source, with another Guardian Newspaper reference, from this months Paper, a report by David Morgan, on the front page and a further feature on Page 16 in the Weekend Music section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guizer Jarl (talk • contribs) 13:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I used this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Elizabeth     as one of my example articles on other UK artists of a similar genre. How is this one different would you say?

I am new to wiki, and any information on how to improve my article

Many thanks.

Respectfully

Guizer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guizer Jarl (talk • contribs) 12:39, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. First, I am traveling, so for future reference and fast response, I advise visiting the WP:TEAHOUSE or WikiProject Music for further help. The latter specializes in musical biographies, you can visit them here: WikiProject Musicians. Please note, you can make a short and simple link to another Wikipedia article about simply writing the title of the article (i.e. Nancy Elizabeth) and putting two brackets around it like this: Nancy Elizabeth, that makes Nancy Elizabeth. On that note, remember WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We only care about the article you are working on, not the other crap (and we have 4 million articles) on Wikipedia. The reason Nancy Elizabeth's article is on Wikipedia is because she has entire reviews devoted to her in major reliable sources. Her article has a lot of problems though - the editors have used blogs, which are not reliable. OK, here is why there are problems with your submission:
 * We have notability guidelines for musicians. I linked to it in your article decline. I suggest you read up on it here: Notability (music). This means that not every person or band gets an article on Wikipedia.
 * this BBC link pulls information from a crowdsourced website called Musicbrainz. That is a non reliable source because it's crowdsourced like Wikipedia, which is also not a reliable source. If I am a musician, I can have a page like this on the BBC, it does not mean you are notable.
 * is a mere mention that means he's only mentioned briefly once. Most musicians, folk and indie, can often get on the mix tape for the BBC. I think it's cool he was on it, but that doesn't mean he's notable or important enough to have his own article.
 * YouTube is not a reliable source.
 * ITunes is also not a reliable source. Anyone can have a charted album in some form or another on ITunes.
 * having a song played once or twice on the BBC is not enough to establish notability.
 * playing one concert with a notable band or playing a concert is not enough to meet notability. This is also a primary source, thus not able to establish notability.
 * this is the best source you have. It's an article entirely about him (significant coverage) in a reliable secondary source. This helps establish notability.
 * this is a mere mention in a long list of other music on a reliable source website. We would need some more of these to make him notable.
 * So here is the outcome: you need more articles like The Guardian which write about his musical career or websites like the BBC and so forth writing majoring reviews of him. If all else fails, it might be WP:TOOSOON for him to have an article. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 16:03, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Guizer -

Hi again Sarah.

I wold just like to thank you for your incredibly swift response, even whilst traveling. That means a lot!

While you are busy, i will learn more about and make use of the links you gave me which also offer advice on the music sections.

My final query would be this. For the artist in question, regarding the charts His Record charted at #28 on the I-tunes Singer-songwriter Albums chart, passing ed sheeran et al. This was also in the Guardian, issued last week. Is this rank/position not notable enough?

I will continue using wiki, and maybe one day have gathered enough information from more appropriate sources! I will re-submit this in a month if I can find more substantial evidences.

Seriously, many thanks for your help, vey very insightful feedback!

Respectfully,

Guizer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guizer Jarl (talk • contribs) 16:53, 15 June 2013 (UTC)