User talk:Missvain/Archive 38

Help with wholesale deletions by apparent political apparatchiks
Hi Missvain, there appears to be some problems with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBD_and_South_East_Light_Rail#Design

A few different usernames (possibly the same or linked people) are making what appear to be politically motivated (checked edit history of one person who's contributions have been to add 40+ bios favourable to one political party and several bios raising corruption allegations against rival [political party).

I have provided references for my edits and am a member of the Community Representatives appointed for this project with the State Govt (I can provide substantiation if desired).

There appears to be a concerted effort as we approach a State Govt election to censor any details that do not follow one party's Official line.

Coincidentally since making some changes to this entry a number of consultants linked to the project have visited my Linkedin profile.

I have used 'talk' to try and contact the latest wholesale deletion but looking through the history for this username does not give much hope.

How do I resolve these wholesale deletions?

Thanks for your efforts!

A M R Sydney A M R Sydney (talk) 22:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)A M R Sydney
 * Hi there User:A M R Sydney. I think your best bet is to bring this up on the talk page of the article you're concerned about. And also talk to User:Gareth, since that editor is very experienced in the subject area and has been editing Wikipedia for quite sometime. Of course, if you have a conflict of interest regarding the subject - you should not be editing about it. If you do think there are issues regarding people from the government editing, you should report them here. Sorry if that isn't the answer you're seeking - it's a subject area that I am not experienced with, so I don't feel comfortable advising on it - I don't know enough to know what is and what isn't right regarding edits made to it. Missvain (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Missvain. Thank you for your help.  As a newcomer to editing Wikipedia (been editing online archives for National Library of Australia for a while - OCR only can do so much) it is a bit daunting to learn all the different pathways involved.


 * In response to my attempted 'talk' with the usernames the edits are now in smaller chunks ranging from 1,500+ character to 500+ character deletions. They have not responded to me though just altered their approach (sum of deletions = same impact of previous 4,000+ character deletion). They continue to delete direct quotes from the Govt's own Environmental Impact Statement on the project - for some reason they find the details unpalatable.  Also deleting direct quotes from the local City Council's Resolutions about the project and the cost of mitigating negative impacts (although the Council is a staunch supporter of the project).  I think this does represent a conflict of interest and lack of balance being forced into the page.  Is my line of thought correct or am I missing something?


 * Thank you for helping out.A M R Sydney (talk) 00:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, welcome. It's usually not this intense - but, looks like you picked a subject that is pretty active! Anyway, if you do think the person does have a conflict of interest - the best place is to report them on the COI noticeboard. The folks over there will be able to give you the best feedback and help regarding the circumstance. I'd do that before you get yourself into a mess beyond what has already started. Also, a good place for another opinion, or to find help, is the Teahouse. Hope that helps some! Missvain (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for helping to clear the backlog at UAA. I've been asking for assistance there since last night. APK whisper in my ear  07:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Declined Submission
Hello Missvain, you declined my submission for the article ISA Internationales Stadtbauatelier due to missing secondary sources. I wanted to ask if you could explain to me what exactly secondary sources are, because I already have a lot of newspaper articles etc. included. Thanks in advance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ISA_Internationales_Stadtbauatelier Leachim 1 (talk) 10:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there. You can find out what reliable secondary sources are here: WP:RELIABLE. I hope that helps! Missvain (talk) 16:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Username block
You blocked as a promotional username, based, I believe, on the user's creation of the article Nilickr(Application). While the article clearly needed to be deleted, I believe the user has simply used his own name for his username (Nilesh Kumar Mahadev), which is not a violation of the username policy. The fact that he named his application in part after his own name might explain the similarity, but I don't think the username block was warranted. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No answer? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I generally expect administrators to behave better when their actions are questioned than to simply ignore the question. Understand that I have no connection to or dealings with the user in question, and am only seeking an understanding of your actions relative to the relevant Wikipedia policies. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:WikiDan61. I have a pretty busy life outside of Wikipedia, so, I don't always respond quickly. It's clearly a self promotional account. Check out their user contributions. They are adding their own website and products to articles. I don't think this behavior warrants an unblock. If you do believe that this user warrants an unblock, I'm happy to hear further reasons why, preferably from them. I really appreciate your concern. I'm happy to discuss this with the user themselves if they would like to share a "plea" for why they should be unblocked. But, as we both know, promoting one's own website and product isn't kosher here on Wikipedia. It's probably best to be brought up on said users talk page, versus here, so they can be aware of the conversation. It looks like the template did not get added to their talk page (sometimes Twinkle is a fail). I'll add it, and perhaps they'll want to share some ideas and thoughts about the blocking and why they should be unblocked. Thanks so much for stopping by my talk page. Missvain (talk) 22:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree that the user's contributions were problematic, just that the excuse for blocking (bad username) was improper. Users can be blocked simply for overt spamming, sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanently, but a user shouldn't be blocked for using their own name as a username. As for responding quickly, I would not have become impatient except that I did see you make several other contributions in the time after my first message, so I knew you were active on the site. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 04:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi! Got it, I blocked probably 30 users for having COI names, so, no surprise that I messed up ONE! Sometimes it can be very tiring reading all my talk page messages, so, I usually wait until I have the energy and emotional capacity to take it on. Everyone works differently - and for me, Wikipedia is just a hobby, so, I chose my time wisely on it. Thanks again for your contributions. Missvain (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Query over declined article
Hello Missvain, please can you expand on the reason for rejected the article on Draft:Bureau_van_Dijk as "not adequately supported by reliable sources" despite having Reuters, Bloomberg and BIIA as references. These sources meet the definition of a 'reliable source' as defined here Verifiability.

Jimmybuk (talk) 21:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Jimmybuk. Here is why your citations are problematic and not WP:RELIABLE (follow that link to learn more about what a reliable source is):

Sorry, but, it appears that based on your sources BVD is not eligible to have it's own Wikipedia article. It needs to have multiple extensive articles written by magazines, newspapers, and other publications (NOT PRESS RELEASES) in order to be considered on Wikipedia. Thanks for your contributions and I hope you'll consider writing content related to other businesses - with over 4 million articles, we need the help! Missvain (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) this is just a mere mention. Reuters is a wire service, meaning, they pick up all kinds of things, even press releases, and supply brief statements about them - like this. We need significant coverage, meaning an entire article written by a third party source, about this subject - this is a mere mention and no one picked it up, so, that doesn't meet notability guidelines.
 * 2) is another mere mention, it even reads like a press release, we can't assume this is reliable secondary.
 * 3) This is a reliable secondary source, since it's more indepth, and it states the journalists names, however, it's not enough to determine notability about the subject. Merely stating that they are being bought out by some other banks/companies merely means we can mention it on those banks/companies Wikipedia articles. It probably doesn't mean that BVD should have its own article.
 * 4) is not a reliable secondary source because companies provide this information. Therefore, BVD provided it, so it's not eligible.
 * 5) is a broken link and is from BVD's website, thus you can't use it.

Articles for deletion/Miles Bergner
At the very least this should have been relisted to come to a better consensus. Not really sure how you determined the consensus was keep. To me it was pretty clear that no consensus had been reached and I still believe he clearly fails WP:NCOLLATH. A special teams player from a non-power conference with a couple of articles about scholarships to different schools and high-school all-american does not a notable person make. Either way, not sure how you could've justified closing it as a keep consensus at the time you did (3 delete !votes and 1 contested keep !vote), strongly disagree with that. -War wizard90 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:War wizard90! I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. It was a mistake on my part keeping it - it absolutely should be deleted. I am unable to delete it due to being offline and not near my computer due to being on holiday (in fact I am typing this on the mobile app now!). If someone else does not get to it I promise I will. sadly hiccups do happen sometimes when doing admin work :-) I appreciate you letting me know. Thanks for editing Wikipedia! Missvain (talk) 06:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Good to know it was just a mistake, I was confused by the close. No rush to take care of it, was just looking for an explanation. Thanks for your response. -War wizard90 (talk) 06:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Gladstone (humorist) Deletion
Hello Missvain, I was looking for information on author Wayne Gladstone and found you had recently deleted his wikipedia page for lack of content written about him (as opposed to content that he has written). At the time the original petition for deletion was filed in 2010, he was a columnist for Cracked.com, as well as a contributor to various other online publications and creator of a popular video series. At this point in time, he is also an author of the Notes From The Internet Apocalypse trilogy. It seemed that many interviews and writings about him were overlooked and I would like to know how one would go about reinstating his page. Links of reference include: 1. An interview with author Wayne Gladstone on Tor.com http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/03/the-pop-quiz-at-the-end-of-the-universe-wayne-gladstone 2. An interview with author Wayne Gladstone in Esquire http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a27719/what-is-the-internet-doing-to-us-really/ 3. A review of his novel Notes from The Internet Apocalypse in The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/notes-from-the-internet-apocalypse-the-tropic-of-serpents-and-the-stone-boatmen/2014/03/18/bcfb869c-a9e0-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html 4. A review of his novel in the Onion A/V Club http://www.avclub.com/review/debut-novel-cracked-writer-just-trolling-its-reade-201674 5. A review of his novel in the Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/books/2014/03/12/notes_from_the_internet_apocalypse_review.html 6. A review of his novel in Kirkus https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/wayne-gladstone/notes-from-the-internet-apocalypse/

I believe we could also find more, however this is already a significantly greater amount of written press about the author and his works than many other figures who still have pages dedicated to them. For instance, this is far greater depth than the information shown on voice actor Lucky Yates (about whom there is no written press) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Yates Further, Wayne Gladstone is already mentioned in several other Wikipedia pages and therefore has a fair amount of click-through information on him already present on Wikipedia that deserves to be housed on its own individual page. Examples of places that he is already mentioned by name on Wikipedia are: 1. As a Cracked columnist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracked.com 2. As a notable graduate of Syosset High School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syosset_High_School 3. As a reference for this Blade Runner entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Blade_Runner 4. As a winner of Literary Death Match https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_Death_Match

I hope this proves sufficient to reinstate his page. Thank you very much for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anotherskirt (talk • contribs) 00:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Anotherskirt. If you'd like the article to be considered for "undeletion" please share your thoughts (you can even repost a version of your message on my page) on the deletion review page: Deletion_review. That's the proper place to review articles that have been deleted for reconsideration. I don't take undeletion requests on my personal talk page. Sorry! Thank you so much for your contributions. Missvain (talk) 06:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Australian Directors Guild
Re Australian Directors Guild

Thanks Missvain,

I do accept what you say about a member of an organisation being likely to have a bias but which way!!!? A member can have many criticisms of an organisation and a non-member might well equally have a bias one way or another..... but fair enough.

I have looked through the article and do find a few words which might possibly in a stretch be construed as not sufficiently neutral. But since it is not specific phrases which are being criticised but rather my association with the organisation, I won't bother making changes. It would be great if someone could edit what I wrote. But then, for some sources, they'd have to go into the ADG office. And who would take this on, I can't imagine?

I can only hope that someone will do the editing someday.

Since I wrote the article the registration of the ADG as a union has come through. But the only reference I have for that is in the e-news that was sent out a couple of weeks ago. So I think, I'll just let it stand as is.

I hope to write about more distant subjects in future when I have time -- I think Wikipedia is a complex and fascinating enterprise.

Regards MarthaAnsara (talk) 09:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Ms. Fembot Edit-a-thon March 6, 2015
Sarah, Thank you for your help at the Ms. Fembot Edit-a-thon

Can you use edit summaries?
I used AWB on all the stuff that was done today (to be helpful) and I believe it is programmed correctly. I'm kind of curious why you are reverting them without explanation? For example, this reversion wiped out some legit edits? Valfontis (talk) 06:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was an accident. I'll revert my edits and sorry about that. Been a long day - we had an edit-a-thon and i'm trying to get the new articles cleaned up before tags get added - they get added so quickly and I have such limited time to clean them up so they don't get tagged (it's very demoralizing for new editors). Rushed through that one. my apologies. Missvain (talk) 06:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. I fixed it up already. I know you had an edit-a-thon (remember I met you at one), that's why I was helping out on the stuff that was done today, I even wrote an article. I was going to suggest maybe you needed some sleep but I didn't want to sound snotty. Here's a ::beer:: :) Thanks for all your hard work! Valfontis (talk) 06:27, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. Re: Demoralization--I ran them through AWB, just so they would more easily pass scrutiny. Sorry about the tags, I didn't really have the energy to address the issues therein. Valfontis (talk) 06:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

 * Hi User:MRuth8! Thanks for letting me know. I really appreciate it - especially since the article has 'good article status' (only about 10% of Wikipedia articles are Good Articles) - any edits can make it have to be re-reviewed for that purpose. I did copyedit your addition so it would flow a bit more, especially since we already mention that he was a lumberjack in the sentence before. Great idea to add it though and thanks for editing Wikipedia! :) Missvain (talk) 16:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Missvain: Great to see you're still so active!--Ipigott (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you, fearless feminist Wikipedia leader!

AnitaConchita (talk) 02:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC) 

Arlene Shechet notability tag removal and search for sources
While, in hindsight, I misused the notability tag, I didn't know it at the time, and cursing in the edit summary and providing no substantive argument for your reasons (in the talk page or elsewhere) is hardly good form. Please be civil and reasonable while editing Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. --MarkTraceur (talk) 17:45, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have to agree that she is "notable as hell". Every time we run these edit-a-thons, oodles of new articles get prodded, AfDed, and drive-by tagged for notability. While sometimes there are articles that don't meet the notability guideline, this one and another you tagged (Cao Fei) were definitely notable.   gobonobo  + c 19:30, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing they weren't notable, I'm just pointing out that could have been a little more courteous about removing the tag. I'm glad  could help us out with some references to actually prove they were notable. --MarkTraceur (talk) 19:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * They were easily-identified-as-notable topics; it was easy to find more references. There are a couple frustrations here, with potentially discouraging notability-in-question tags when something more supportive would been suitable, and with frustration about frustration with that. A resolution for the glorious future: being extra specially careful to be friendly with promising new articles by promising new editors. Dreamyshade (talk) 20:38, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm used to only updating Wiki pages and still fumbling around trying to understand the appropriate use of talk pages! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anotherskirt (talk • contribs) 19:34, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * this is why i never remove tags, even after improving the article. let the tag spam stand as a rebuke to those who add only and never fix anything. the orphanage is growing. notability tag is a poor stand-in for AfD, next to orphan. and this is an article rejected at AfC as well. Duckduckstop (talk) 20:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

IP block
Hi Miss, you just blocked Terriblechristian as a sock-puppet. IP 41.220.69.37 has admitted (in the SPI no less) to being Darreg. The contributions history suggests it isn't the only time that IP has edited. Can you block that IP too? Cheers,  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 22:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Missvain (talk) 22:51, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 23:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

00:56:29, 10 March 2015 review of submission by 2602:306:CC99:EBC0:595D:A713:3847:B016
Which sources that I referenced for my article are considered unreliable? I need to know which ones to remove or change.

2602:306:CC99:EBC0:595D:A713:3847:B016 (talk) 00:56, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

00:59:36, 10 March 2015 review of submission by 2602:306:CC99:EBC0:595D:A713:3847:B016
Which sources that I referenced for my article are considered unreliable? I need to know which ones to remove or change. 2602:306:CC99:EBC0:595D:A713:3847:B016 (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

2602:306:CC99:EBC0:595D:A713:3847:B016 (talk) 00:59, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Crawlforcancerwiki
I notice that you softblocked this account based on my report in the username board. FYI, there seems to be a sockpuppet issue here as well. See Sockpuppet investigations/Josh.king2.0 Coretheapple (talk) 23:50, 9 March 2015 (UTC) ✅ I'll revert it if it's proven otherwise (but doubtful it will be!) Missvain (talk) 01:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Gladstone (humorist)
Hi Missvain,

I've recently found that humorist/author Wayne Gladstone's Wikipedia page has been deleted, and on researching the deletion process, found the discussion and reasoning behind this. I am wondering if this is the right place to open a dialogue about restoring the page?

It seems that there has already been an edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gladstone_(humorist)_(2nd_nomination) outlining the independent sources in which Gladstone is featured or significantly mentioned, which is very thorough - however I'm not sure this is the correct place to hold the discussion once the page has already been deleted.

Apologies if I've come to the wrong place - could you provide some guidance on how best to proceed?

Thank you very much

StrictlyGenteel (talk) 18:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there. The place to bring up your concerns, since you're the second person to ask, is at Deletion review. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Arbitrary deletion of article Rajesh Bhola
Dear Sir, A strong protest is herewith lodged against the morality principles of Wikipedia. It had been indeed very shocking to see that suddenly the said article which was published by Wikipedia (through submission of the same in Articles for Creation AFC and not created by my own self) after due course of discussions / verifications of references and links etc has been deleted without assigning plausible / tangible reasons after 9 months of its creation on 6 July 2014. Though I am a regular duly logged in contributor to Wikipedia and has made certain quality contributions in growth of Wikipedia by submitting articles / modification from time to time, the said arbitrary and erratic deletion has pained me immensely. I have been informed that “This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.” The reason / argument given is false and misleading. The person about whom the article is published is notable as per your rules. The notability is duly established by way of attachment of number of references which are authentic sources for making the subject notable. The submissions made by me were duly accepted by you and hence the article was published by you under AFC and not directly by myself. The notability of the subject is duly established by way of his contributions to the most esteemed newspapers and periodicals of India. He has made more than 200 contributions to such papers and periodicals apart from being founder of Spastic Society of Gurgaon where more than thousands of children afflicted with autism, cerebral palsy, mental retardation and multiple disabilities are being taken care of and a page is duly published by you on the same after due acknowledgement of the notability of that subject. It is unethical to delete a page which is published by you in AFC after taking due cognizance of all the aspects and criteria of notability and genuineness of the subject until something to the contrary is found or reported! How can an article published by you 9 months back be suddenly deleted with the above reason when due debate was held and the article was published by your official in AFC after due submission of article by me. I request you to immediately undelete the article for the creation of which due process of compliance of Wikipedia criteria and policies has already been done. Let your readers, who are spread in all the nooks and corners of this planet, retain trust in your policies which should not sound arbitrary at any stage of evolution of Wikipedia. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sombir9555 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sir Ms Missvain, see my response here. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there User:Sombir9555, deletion reviews are not handled on my talk page. You can request a deletion review via: Deletion review. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Blocking of User:FeministArtGallery
Just querying that you blocked this page (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion). Feminist Art Gallery is not a commercial entity but an artistic collaboration started by artists Allyson Mitchell and Deirdre Logue (see http://www.allysonmitchell.com/html/fagGallery.html). So I would argue it is no more promotional than an artist using her given name as a wiki user name. Writing on their behalf because I co-hosted the Toronto Art+Feminism meetup where this username was created. Plus the sandbox contains the beginnings of a great article on FASTWÜRMS! I have copied it to my sandbox for safekeeping but urge you to reconsider the block. Thanks. Artchivist1 (talk) 17:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Artchivist1, the name is still against policy, if you read Username policy, usernames cannot reflect or represent groups - whether commercial or non-profit or a collaboration. As a feminist and the founder of WikiProject Women artist's, I really didn't like having to block them, but, it is against policy. I suggest they request a name change through the process listed here: Changing username and then, if it's approved, they will be unblocked. Thanks for editing Wikipedia! Missvain (talk) 18:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Missvain -- I will pass along this info. Artchivist1 (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2015
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Crump
Saw you working on Diane Crump. Yay!!! I am fully supporting your efforts. If other articles on women jockeys interest you, another than needs improvement is Julie Krone. If you are curious about directions to go, I brought Rosie Napravnik and Kathy Ritvo (a trainer) to GA and would be glad to be of any help with horse lingo or source material (hint:  Ed Zieralski at the U0T San Diego did a terrific article on the history of women jockeys in US horse racing about a year or two ago, I might have used it as a source in the Napravnik article...)    Montanabw (talk)  01:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Precious
  women collaboration

Thank you, Sarah, for quality articles on art such as List of public art in Washington, D.C., and women such as Louise Nevelson, for starting more collaboration of women and the Lists of women, for welcoming new users even with "troll" in their name, for assessing articles and maintaining the outcomes of women's history month, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Mrs. Woodham for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mrs. Woodham is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Mrs. Woodham until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DexDor (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Mary Cecil Allen

 * thanks for adding the picture! I wasn't sure on how to do this, or work out the rights for it. it's nice to see her on the page. cheers Kathodonnell (talk) 08:09, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Appreciation
.Alafarge (talk) 15:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Majd Izzat al-Chourbaji
Can you/will you, go back and peruse Majd Izzat al-Chourbaji? I have redone the article removing the perfumery. It is too bad, as I think that the contributor spoke Arabic. Would be very helpful to have an Arabic contributor on it, but that wouldn't be me. I could not figure out how to verify the content that she was a founder of the newspaper http://www.enabbaladi.org/ so I removed that. There also was a link to a Facebook article on Chourbaji, but as I was unable to find a link off of social media, I removed it as well. Thanks :) SusunW (talk) 01:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey User:SusanW - thanks for copy editing. I have a big to-do list of articles I keep after I do basic cleanups and that was on the list! Well done. I removed the tags at the top. *hifive* Missvain (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I always have a to do list, as well. ;) One off of both of our lists. SusunW (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Margaret Kennedy (singer)
&mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 12:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Alison Bechdel debate
Check out this debate about Alison Bechdel's photo. Sometimes Wikipedia makes me want to cry :P Kaldari (talk) 04:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Can anyone vote? I am completely and totally confused as to why her physical presentation is even being discussed. It is a photograph illustrating an artist at work. No where in the guidelines posted Featured picture criteria does it state that a photograph of a person must be identifiably masculine, feminine, or even of that person. In particular, it says "It illustrates the subject in a compelling way, making the viewer want to know more" and this "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing; it might be shocking, impressive, or just highly informative." As the article is about an artist, she and her work together are what make her a noteworthy person. Thus an image of her work is highly informative and would be whether she was in the picture or not in it at all. Would they be objecting if "David" were used as an image to illustrate Michelangelo? Oh Wait! he is Michelangelo. Just my 2 cents. SusunW (talk) 05:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, anyone can participate in the discussion. Kaldari (talk) 05:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, then I shall add the above to the discussion. SusunW (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I must admit I am at a loss, trying to figure it out. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * As an activist of many decades, IMO it is internalized "ism" and they aren't even aware they are doing it. Bechdel is not famous because she is a woman, nor am I, nor is any woman I know. People are famous because of something they do or did, not because of what they are. One doesn't really "do" womanhood (unless of course one is a drag queen or female impersonator or a spy). Because women are often objectified, the accomplishment is reduced if "she" becomes the target. Seen it way too many times to count. In this case, double jeopardy, or maybe that is triple jeopardy -- "femalegendernonconforminglesbian". SusunW (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

AVS Video Editor
AVS Video Editor article was deleted due to lack of reliable sources and for the fact that it clearly fails Wikipedia:Notability. I have since found reliable sources including one from www.ixbt.com, other research journals reviews and would like to edit the page according to Wikipedia Notability rules, please advice the procedure, how it can be done. Could you please recover the article so it would be possible to edit it according to your recommendations. NeviRom (talk) 14:05, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I moved it into your sandbox which you can access User:NeviRom/sandbox. I suggest you submit it through Articles for Creation so others can review it and then move it to the main space if it passes notability guidelines. If you were to rewrite the article and put it in the main Wikipedia article space today it would be speedily deleted since it was deleted previously. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 19:22, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

17:04:00, 18 March 2015 review of submission by Lalehfarrah
Hi! I don't believe my submission is any more promotional than those of our competitors. Everything you mentioned they do as well. Every other company in our space is listed on Wikipedia which puts us at a major disadvantage. Can you please help me to understand what specifically I need to edit? Thank you so much. Please look at our competitors, which as far as I can tell look the same as the article I submitted but with much more information : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReachLocal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yelp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodle Lalehfarrah (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there. This falls into the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS area of Wikipedia. You should not be editing about your business. That's a conflict of interest and you'll most likely be blocked from editing Wikipedia. So, I suggest you edit other subjects that interest you as an individual and when your business is notable enough I'm sure someone unrelated or unassociated to your business will write about it. Sorry, but that's how Wikipedia works. Thanks! Missvain (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Women Painters of the World
Glad to read you like my Women Painters of the World stubs - some interesting stats (still counting): 19th century artists=139, 18th century artists=34, 17th century artists=8, 16th century artists=6, 15th century artists=2. I think it's fun to resurrect these old feminist art publications to see where we stand today, but most importantly, to see where the women in art *stood* at the time of those publications. As of today, I have only been able to find one misattribution from that particular book (an engraving that was probably by a guy and not a gal). Do you have access to any art catalogs of first-wave feminist art shows? I am impressed at the work done here and I feel inspired to do that (onwiki of course) for a few first-wave feminist art shows of the Netherlands. Jane (talk) 09:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Great work. Not at this time I don't have access to any art catalogs. Not even online. Since i'm not affiliated with an institution and I'm living more than an hour away from any art museums..I don't really have the access to materials like I did, sadly! Missvain (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh and you also might be interested to know that we do have an artist specific infobox, in case that interests you. You can find it here. Missvain (talk) 15:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I did notice that, but I am just using PrepBio now to get the artists off of Wikidata and onto Wikipedia. I guess in a next pass they can be prettied up with better templates, but for now these are working out for me pretty well (Look - no Excel!) Jane (talk) 17:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Officially amazing!
It's official, you're amazing! Thanks so much for the tweaks to the women artist articles! I started to figure out that you were updating Wikidata with information, and then could remove the authority control values in Wikipedia... and then today I figured out that you'd been placing images of artists in other articles to improve the presence of women artists in Wikipedia.

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Question
I know this may be a dumb question, but why would you remove the Vimeo from the brief bio of Paluzzi on the Totem site? Did you take the time to actually view it, and if you did, do you understand how much it adds to the understanding of the Artist who created the sculpture? I don't know where to look for a reply, please let me know, I am age 90.65 and all this technology is not easy for me. Sirswindon (talk) 20:33, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I suggest we move it to the External Links section, which is where links like that go. If the video was going to be used as a citation, then we'd keep it in the article and make it a footnote. I'll move it to the external link section. Thank for your interest in that artist and the artwork! Missvain (talk) 20:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Julia Gjika
Julia Gjika has been marked for deletion. Your comment on 20 March, on the history page was that you did not see that she met notability guidelines. I have added numerous sources and am hoping that I have been able to satisfy the question of her notability. Should you have time, would appreciate your having another look. Saving women's history, one file at a time ;) SusunW (talk) 06:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:SusunW great job at helping with that article. I closed the AFD, the nomination was withdrawn! Missvain (talk) 15:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


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Hi Sarah, did you mean to block this IP indefinitely? We are not supposed to block any IP indefinitely, even open proxies, although an IP can be blocked for a period of years (the most I've seen is three). Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
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AVS Video Editor
AVS Video Editor article was deleted due to lack of reliable sources and for the fact that it clearly fails Wikipedia:Notability. I have rewritten the article and posted it on my sandbox. [] I'd greatly appreciate if you could review it and suggest any improvements. Thanks a lot. User:NeviRom, 08:04, 03 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi User:NeviRom, I asked for help here from editors over there, they'll be able to provide better insight regarding the sources you've used, than I. Thanks for your hard work! Missvain (talk) 17:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Missvain, and thank you for creating new geographical articles and expanding History sections. Your sources are excellent, and I really appreciate that. But could I give you a little advice? Try using Citation tool for Google Books when adding refs to online books. The tool is much easier to use than doing it by hand and even better, it will link directly to the relevant page instead of book covers. Regards– Gilliam (talk) 05:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Gilliam. I actually do use it - quite frequently (you can see an example here.) However, in the realm of footnotes...and the researcher/curator I am in my professional life admittedly, I'd prefer to use page by page footnotes and note the reference for the book in the sources section. It's just habit - and all of the "good articles" I have written use that method...so it's treated me well so far.. and I figure anyone hardcore enough to want to learn about early Indiana history won't mind going to page 117 in a book with a quick click on Google Books. Thanks for the suggestion though, I do use it when I am not covering broader page counts. :) Missvain (talk) 05:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Your footnotes look fine. Also don't forget to disambiguate the pages you create, see for example Jericho, Indiana. This is important so other Wikipedians can find them, and to avoid repetition.– Gilliam (talk) 06:04, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

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deOrphaning script
Hello everyone! I was just working on responding to a couple bug reports for a script that I worked up as part of a request from this project, and I noticed that only a couple people (who weren't even on this mailing list) are actually using the script. A little history on the script: In March of 2014, came to my user talk page and said he needed some help in acquiring a script for a backlog drive that he was working on that could keep track of and score deOrphanings for a scored backlog drive. I took that request to the project's talk page (BackLog Drive "DO" (De-Orphaning) script proposal) and there was near unanimous support for this. I thought about the proposal and decided the best way to do it was to build a new script (which is still no where near as comprehensive as 's OrphanTabs) and build into it a mechanism that will make BLD scoring easy.

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 * as editors decline, backlog drives will not work. tools / bots to fix tags such as orphans would be useful. but you can't make people work on your backlog, rather you must recruit the team, before the tags are placed. Duckduckstop (talk) 15:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Jennifer Aaker for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jennifer Aaker is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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