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NPOV
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. Please remember to observe our core policies. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

1) I added the statement that Gary Null's ideas have been supported (actually suggested initially) by leading scientists. This is not a point of view, this is a fact. I am not saying his viewpoint is right or wrong. Therefore, how can you say it's a non-neutral point of view? It is not a point of view at all, it is a statement of fact.

2) Gary Null does not make "so-called" documentaries, he makes documentaries. There is in fact no such thing as a so-called documentary! All documentaries present a mixture of fact and point of view. Just because you don't agree with it does not disqualify it as a documentary. It's erroneous to call his films "self-made" when all documentary films are to some extent self-made, that confers amateur status on them. It's misleading to say that they are shown on YouTUbe, as if that is their only forum, when in fact they have screened at many film festivals and won awards at some of them.

I do not know Gary Null and have not seen his films, but I was shocked to find this Wikipedia article that was so clearly biased against him and also politically biased and mean spirited.

Edit-warring
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. MastCell Talk 13:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is just a prod to make sure you have noticed the above warning, considering your recent editing. Please engage in discussion on the talk page and establish a WP:CONSENSUS for your edits. Verbal chat  17:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please discuss the changes you wish to make. Discussion by edit summary and repeatedly making edits that have been disputed isn't going to work. Please desist in this behaviour. Verbal chat  19:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please recognize that you are not going to be able to force your edits into the article, as a number of editors feel that they worsen the article and violate our content policies. The best way forward is to continue the active discussion on the talk page, where you seem to have ceased participating. MastCell Talk 01:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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wp:3rr
Please do not undo other people's edits repeatedly, or you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. The three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the 3RR. Thank you. RetroS1mone  talk  23:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked
 You have been blocked for edit-warring on Gary Null. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator. For alternative methods to appeal, see Appealing a block. --  tariq abjotu  05:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Why aren't others who have undone my edits being also blocked? My edits are fair, factual, and referenced, theirs are NOT. Text I wanted to include is below:

Gary Null is also a promoter of AIDS denialism&mdash;that is, the belief that HIV is harmless and is not the cause of AIDS. His views are supported by scientists such as Peter Duesberg and Kary Mullis, who claim that there is no scientific proof that HIV causes AIDS. He sells films on his website that explain this highly controversial point of view.

Null has made several self-funded, self-distributed documentary films on public policy issues, personal health, and personal development that are posted on YouTube. Null's videos have been aired by PBS during pledge drives, but concern arose within PBS over the sensational claims they contained, with Ervin Duggan, the president of PBS, expressing concern with the network "open[ing] the door to quacks and charlatans." Null responded by alleging an effort to silence him, saying: "The guardians of the gates of orthodoxy at PBS... you don't know who their friends are."

By the way, to the persons who are blocking me and reverting my posts, what I have to say is: you are violating censorship rules here, and you need to be careful. This is not a political soapbox. If you are going to mention AIDS denialism, you need to at least allow an explanation of what it is. If you are going to say people are "alleging" things, you need to explain where that "alleged" information comes from. And if you have a source that states how Gary Null funds his films, please include it here. Otherwise, at least allow the "citation needed" tag. Assumptions are not enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister Hospodar (talk • contribs)
 * If this is a request to be unblocked, no admin will see it unless you use the template. I'd also advise you to read Appealing a block, as I don't think your reasoning, especially the accusations against the blocking admin, will pass muster. Yours, Verbal  chat  17:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Dear Verbal,

Thanks for the tip. My reasoning, however is reasonable! Other moderators, including you, have yet to justify your own reasoning! This has made me interested in the bullying tactics present in what is supposed to be a forum of the people. Mister Hospodar (talk) 19:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Mr. Hospodar,


 * In fact, you've just hit on precisely what Wikipedia is NOT: a forum. Wikipedia in general, the Gary Null article and various talk pages are not an appropriate forum for advancing AIDS denialism, defending an individual, or promoting any cause. Wikipedia is not "a forum of the people" where everyone's opinion can and should be inserted into articles. Rather, we attempt, sometimes with only mixed success, to follow reliable sources and to respect consensus. Here, it appears that consensus is unanimously against your changes and that further edit warring is unlikely to give you the results you seek. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 21:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is INDEED a forum, in that it is created by majority OPINION, not fact, as I've discovered in my recent attempts to include factual information that others want censored out of the discussion. You and others have made such blatant attempts at keeping public information out of the discussion that I am frankly astonished. You will note that none of my changes have included a SINGLE opinion, they only are attempts to make the article neutral. I've looked up other arguments on this, and realized that many before me have tried to edit these articles, to no avail. Their arguments have been logical, justified, referenced, and legal, and they were not accepted. I for one don't have the time to continue to fight with people who contradict every rule they insist others follow. You have not made one single attempt to justify your inclusion of material that I have pointed out is simply wrong, over and over. Mister Hospodar (talk) 03:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The policy I cited above specifically states that Wikipedia is not a forum. Wikipedia articles are forged by consensus, but consensus is not a majority vote. In articles such as AIDS denialism, we are obliged to present the position of the scientific community using reliable sources. We do not give undue weight to an extreme fringe. The content of articles such as AIDS denialism is not determined by how many individual editors create accounts at Wikipedia to advance the cause of AIDS denialism, but rather by what the reliable sources state. Furthermore, material on Wikipedia may be "simply wrong" or completely "right"; we don't try to make such value judgements. Wikipedia requires only that included information be verifiable (WP:V) and sourced to reliable sources (WP:RS). Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 19:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Where is the reliable source that states that Gary Null "alleged an attempt to silence him?"

I am not stating that I think WIkipedia should be a forum, but that this is how it seems to operate, through bullying and persistency, and not through reliability of source material or what is or is not referenced. You prove this by taking down material that is clearly referenced and from reliable sources that do not suit your political agenda. I have never taken anything down or tried to censor information that was properly sourced, only added material that WAS properly sourced to clarify an existing article. None of your reverts to my edits have been justified, however.

Talk page guidelines
Mister Hospodar,

May I suggest that you review WP:TALK. The talk pages are not to be used for general discussion of subjects, and certainly not for promotion of fringe (or any) points of view, but for proposing and discussing specific changes to articles. I've removed your promotional statements from AIDS denialism in accordance with WP:TALK, as I will do with any further such comments. Since you are clearly interested in discussing and promoting AIDS denialist views, and since Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia not a SOAPBOX, I suggest that you find a more appropriate forum for pursuing your interests. The Interwebs are alive with rethinker/dissident/truthseeker websites where your views will find a more receptive audience. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 21:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Those views were expressed in order to explain why the claims you are making are patently false: 1. that the movement s a fringe movement, and 2. that there is scientific consensus. In order to discuss this, I have to supply FACTS (not opinions as you do). Of course I knew you would remove my comments, due to your personal obsessions.


 * Pleas explain why you keep keeping the comment about Gary Null "alleging an attempt to silence him" in the text, and taking the "citation needed" tag out. I have asked for an explanation or reference for that several times now.


 * Because it's cited. TIME says: "Even his recent problem at PBS, he implies, may have been an attempt to silence him." We say: "Null responded by alleging an effort to silence him." That is a straightforward and accurate representation of a reliable source. There are only two possible conclusions here. Perhaps you have not actually read the cited source before edit-warring to insert a citation needed tag. That's bad. Or perhaps you have read the source, and are intentionally misrepresenting the situation to push your agenda. That's even worse. MastCell Talk 03:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh I see, now I understand what the sentence means. The way it's phrased here, it sounds like Null attempted to silence the other person, rather than Null saying he thought someone was trying to silence HIM. If you quote the sentence in question correctly, I will have no problem with it. "Alleging an effort to silence him" is not clear as to its meaning, as "him" could refer to either Null or to the person he is speaking to.

August 2009
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 21:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I only reverted once. The other changes were new. Thank you for your continued threats, but they will not work. Mister Hospodar (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Please reserve the articletalk page for discussion of concrete suggestions for improvement to the associated article. - 2/0 (cont.) 23:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages for inappropriate discussion, you may be blocked. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 18:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Stop x nuvola with clock.svg You have been blocked from editing for  in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.  The duration of the block is 48 hours. Here are the reverts in question. William M. Connolley (talk) 08:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Mister Hospodar (talk) 16:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry guv this isn't going to work. Look at it this way: assume you are correct: an evil cabal is at work reverting all your Truth out of wiki. Even if that is true you *still* aren't allowed to break 3RR - there is just no point. Functionally, it is no difference to you spouting nonsense and having that reverted. Hammering your points home with edit warring just isn't going to work, no matter how correct you are. You need WP:DR William M. Connolley (talk) 16:40, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Mister Hospodar (talk) 17:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm a Dr actually. You stuffed up your unblock template; I've fixed it for you William M. Connolley (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, did I read correctly above that you are being paid to edit the page you were editing? --Smashvilletalk 18:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm curious as to why you (Mister Hospodar) conclude that everyone who disagrees with you (that is, everyone you've encountered on Wikipedia thus far) must be part of a nefarious conspiracy, and why they must be "paid" by their "bosses" to "police" these articles. Leaving aside the various behavioral policies violated by such repetitive accusations, do you think alternate explanations are possible, if not likely? For example, is it possible that people edit these articles out of a desire to create a serious, respectable reference work - one that treats discredited claims honestly as discredited claims, rather creating a false impression of ongoing scientific debate? Could these nefarious editors possibly be motivated to contribute their free time to ensure that potentially important medical information here accurately reflects the knowledge of scholars and experts in the field? MastCell Talk 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Robert Greene

 * Sending it to here as well, even if you apparently didn't log in to message me. If you want to change the title, use the Move option; don't copy, paste and write up a redirect to a new title. That makes it impossible to make a move until the copied article has been deleted. See How_to_move_a_page - Skysmith (talk)

HIV dissent & AIDS denialism
Hello, I would ask that you review the discussions regarding HIV dissent and AIDS denialism regarding the HIV dissent article. It is clear that there is a very biased POV of the current editors of HIV and AIDS denialism. I am attempting to create an article that would contain information that is not widely accepted, particularly by the editors of the aforementioned articles. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neuromancer (talk • contribs) 06:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Alternative HIV Viewpoints
Created a new article to include alternative viewpoints on HIV. Less than 2 hours later it was tagged for deletion. Unlike others, I do not give up as easily as most. Your contributions to Alternative HIV Viewpoints would be most welcome, as maintaining an article alone is tiresome. Neuromancer (talk) 19:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Indefinite block
Looking over your various comments, particularly your continuing attacks on other editors by accusing them of being part of some conspiracy against you or the ideas you support, I have concluded that your presence on Wikipedia is hindering rather than helping the project. Please feel free to appeal this block in the usual way. Tim Vickers (talk) 20:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * See also discussion at Administrators'_noticeboard. Tim Vickers (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I did not mean to be contentious, I was merely stating that I would stop doing what it was that seemed to create the block, and that was commenting on the "tactics" (should I have said behavior or patterns)? of other users here. The word "tactics" was not used in a contentious way, I was merely trying to say that I won't do it again. (I'm referring to Tim Vickers' refusal to accept my apology, which was a sincere one despite his insistence that I'm beyond hope). An indefinite block really does seem extreme here, especially since I haven't done anything except express honest frustration, and possibly violate civility rules out of ignorance of them.


 * I'm going to give you a shot to rewrite the unblock request so that the implication is no longer there. Generally, I'd deny it and tell you why, but I'll be nice right now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You've had a number of hours to change the wording, and your refusal to acknowledge your complete incivility and respect for the views of others is enough for me to agree with Tim. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Mister Hospodar for your editing work on the Gary Null article, et. al. last August 2009 in the face of several heavy-handed editors. I looked at Gary Null's biography today after several months hiatus. I was shocked to see it was about 20% of its former length and replete with negative comments and slights. A couple years ago I expanded it and included his books, now deleted! Itsmejudith was the only editor that was seemingly neutral but strict. After I read the history of your exchanges in 2009 I thought you should get Shakespearean and change your name to Hotspur. LOL Larry R. Holmgren (talk) 18:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Some support
Mr. Hospodar, I am also a blocked editor. I read this page and I just want to let you know that you are right about the environment on Wikipedia. There are, most definitely, cliques of editors who try to control articles, not allowing any one else to contribute, and the administrators seem to back them up. I'm not saying whether I agree with your edits or not (I don't know what they were), but there are definitely problems on Wikipedia. Those cliques of editors are generally Wiki-addicts who spend all day editing. They get to know the rules well, and they use the rules against other editors -- but don't follow the rules themselves. Some of them are atheists and some are right-wing Christians trying to push their points of view. The article I am blocked from is one that I wrote 90% myself, but it was on a controversial topic, and the Christians and atheists descended on it and took it over, getting me blocked in the process. The message of any article is dependent on the number and biases of the editors who control it, and that means that many articles contain misinformation. The truth is, Wikipedia isn't worth the aggravation. It's too bad that so many people make it their first stop when they need information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.14.172 (talk) 05:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * This is an IPsock of Caleb Murdock. -- Brangifer (talk)