User talk:Misza13/Archives/2009/09

MiszaBot not working on the talk page of Isle of Wight
As you can clearly see, it hasn’t done anything. Most likely someone hasn’t done it right. --Frank Fontaine (talk) 19:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is why. –xenotalk 19:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

MiszaBot does not seem to be working on Talk:2009
We have it set to run every 30 days, I thought it was not working because some of the discussions were not signed properly so I added the templates / but it still does not seem to archive them. What could be the reason for that? Thanks FFMG (talk) 06:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The target page was a redirect, maybe this is why. –xenotalk 19:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Archiving on WT:WikiProject Video games
It looks like the counter was not incremented on WT:VG. It was at 71 and the bot was archiving articles to 71, 72, and 73. Edit summaries noted that the archives were full, but the counter was not updated to reflect this. —Ost (talk) 12:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Weird. This might fix it, /shrug. –xenotalk 19:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I'll keep an eye on it to see if it works the next time it's supposed to increment. —Ost (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk not being archived
Hi, noticed that your bot has stopped archiving my talk page. I took a look at the manual and couldn't see anything wrong with what I have on my talk page. Any ideas? Thanks. :) — neuro  (talk)  18:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The bot visited your page a few short hours ago: . –xenotalk 18:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely no idea how I missed that. PEBKAC once again at work, thanks Xeno. :) — neuro  (talk)  19:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Honduras
Miszabot has passed up a couple of chances to archive a section on Talk:Honduras dated 2005. I don't see anything wrong with it. Any ideas? —WWoods (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No comma between time and date. *eyeroll* Миша 13 12:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Ongoing RFC archived
RFC started 13 Aug archived 1 Sept Anarchangel (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's how the bot is configured for that page. No comments for 14 days = archive. Миша 13 09:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, duh. Your bot archived a RFC. You do not find that worth addressing? Anarchangel (talk) 07:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I already addressed that and explained. Миша 13 21:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In future, if there is going to be a lightly trafficked RFC, you may wish to add a false timestamp equal to rfc_start+30 days. –xeno<sup style="color:black;">talk 15:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Archive stopped working on my page
So this should have been archived about 3 days ago by my reckoning, and nothing I haven't made any changes to the template since the last time your bot did visit my page (other than to increase the counter), there is a comma between the time and date, I have minthreadsleft=0 so that shouldn't be an issue--Crossmr (talk) 01:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably has something to do with the blacklisted links in User talk:Crossmr. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 15:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't see how.. that section wasn't even present when I brought this up.--Crossmr (talk) 14:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Archiving left page in strange format
Hi, I've reverted this bot edit which left the page in a strange state. As a result, all the sections got grouped into a single section. At a glance I'd say it's related to the fact that some of the page content includes discussion of the article structure and includes "==" in comment text. I'm guessing this text may have been misinterpreted by the bot as being the section headers in the talk page. But that may be an incorrect guess; I'll leave it with you to investigate anyway. Thanks. PL290 (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The bot does get confused by section headers in hidden or preformatted comments. You'll have to manually archive... –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 15:01, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Main Wiki article on Libya
The section under Religion has been vandalized. I can't see in the "edit this page" where the code is coming from: 

Religion Main article: Religion in Libya Religion in Libya fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck[91]

I hope you can use your expertise and get it fixed, since I am a newbie and evidently the obscene comments are hidden in the "edit" page somehow. Thank you kindly. --Caroledj (talk) 18:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Not to steal Misza's page, but it looks like the vandalism was in bar box and has been corrected. —Ost (talk) 18:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

MiszaBot II duplicating sections in ANI archives
See the table of contents of this revision of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive564. I've tried to remove the duplicate threads. Graham 87 08:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * And it did the same thing at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive202. I can't find any other similar cases, however. Graham 87 08:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It's at it again. I notice that it's not removing any text from AN or ANI, but just adding more text to the archives. I've blocked the bot, and will revert to the pre-software-update version of both pages; I suspect the software update is causing the problems. Graham 87 15:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ergh ... it hasn't removed archived sections from *any* pages since the software update; it just keeps adding to talk page archives. I've reverted to the pre-software update version of the AN and ANI archives; I don't have time to fix any other pages now. All the bad edits come after 00:00 UTC on September 17. Graham 87 15:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Erm, what software update are we talking about, exactly? I'm not really tracking the news recently (apart from the Signpost). Миша 13 06:14, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This one. It probably should've been mentioned in the Signpost; it initially caused all sorts of mayhem, as you can see at the technical village pump. Graham 87 11:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I left a note about this over at WP:VPT, hoping that someone will have a brainstorm, or we could set up alternate archiving temporarily at ANI. EdJohnston (talk) 15:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * On pywikipedia-l, someone is saying that the XML problem is fixed, or at least worked around by using the API. More in my new comment at the VPT thread. EdJohnston (talk) 17:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * On Talk:Tajikistan it seems to have done the reverse — deleting without archiving.
 * —WWoods (talk) 08:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * For a second I thought it was the spam blacklist, like what happened at Talk:Influenza A virus subtype H5N1/Archive 2 - I've been cleaning up duplicated sections in recently edited archives. Apparently that wasn't the case - I could edit Talk:Tajikistan with no problems, and have cleaned it up a bit, which might help. Graham 87 16:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There was a similar problem with Talk:Renewable_energy. In that case, it turned out there was a blacklisted link in one of the deleted sections.
 * —WWoods (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Odd. I see no error on that page in the logs. Looks like the API just silently failed to create the archive page. Can't really reproduce this, either. Миша 13 19:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A blacklisted link showed up when I manually archived Talk:Tajikistan. I tried to add the link back to the talk page; that was blocked too. Dunno why it didn't happen to Graham.
 * —WWoods (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews importer bot seems to have stopped
Hi. Just letting you know that Wikinews importer bot seems to have died. It last edited on the 17th. (This is being forwarded from n:Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical). Cheers. Bawolff (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Miszabot I incorrectly archived
Your bot malfunctioned at this edit...did I set it up incorrectly...or is this some strange bug?Smallman12q (talk) 18:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably the "k" instead of "K" in <tt>maxarchivesize</tt>. I have updated the bot to be case insensitive on that. Миша 13 19:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I see...generally I assume templates to be case insensitive unless noted otherwise...well I do have a second request. Seeing that you're an admin, could you delete the archives your bot has incorrectly created... Talk:Peter Schiff/Archive 2 through Talk:Peter Schiff/Archive 10...(I undid the move so hopefully the bot will work this time around.) Thanks again.Smallman12q (talk) 20:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Admin Wwoods has deleted the incorrectly created archives...thanks again for fixing the bot.=DSmallman12q (talk) 02:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Two questions
Dr Dec ( Talk )    13:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) I have a  template at the top and bottom of my archive pages. MiszaBotIII came along and archived everything as it should have, only moved it all to bellow the bottom   template. Any ideas about a solution?
 * 2) I think the archiving on this page is really cool, with all the years and months. If I wanted my archiving set up like that then could I get MiszaBotIII to do it for me? If I cut and pasted all of the archived thread onto my live user talk page then would it come along and file everything away like that?
 * p.s. As per 2. I've set up this page and so I think I've got all of the requisite infrastructure. I just need to alter the commands given to the bot at the top of my user page.  Dr Dec  ( Talk )    14:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * p.p.s. I think everything's set up. Could you please check the settings at the top of my user page. I've also set up user:Declan Davis/Archive Map and user:Declan Davis/Archive Header by copy and pasting your, renaming, then changing all user name info. Could you check if I've done it correctly, please?  Dr Dec  ( Talk )    14:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Solution: Don't add the talkarchivenav to the bottom until the archive is finished.
 * No, I don't think this will work. MiszaBot will archive them all to the current year/month. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 14:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Archived twice
Hi Misza. Your bot archived two sections twice to the archive. You might want to check if this is a bug. BTW: I do not understand, why your bot always adds an empty line between the title of a section and the text. It would be great, if you could stop it doing so. Thanks, Leyo 16:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Read above - a recent mediawiki update caused a lot of bots to malfunction, including mine - the 17th Sept run only put threads in the archive but did not remove them.
 * And no, unfortunately I cannot accomodate you on your second request. Миша 13 19:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Does that mean that you don't want to do so? --Leyo 17:52, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't want to.
 * Why it does that is a side effect of its object-oriented design. The algorithm is too complex to go into details right now, so let's just say it would be too much of a hassle for me to change the architecture to accomodate your wish.
 * Which brings me to reason number 2, which is no gain from doing so. Even more so, there is a reason why the default behaviour of the "new section" button leaves a blank line after section title - it just stands out better in page code, the renderred HTML being identical. Миша 13 18:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The two bots that do archiving on de-WP, ArchivBot and SpBot, are not adding an empty line between title and text.
 * Just to be clear: I am not talking about how the page code on archive pages is. However, I think your bot should stop adding empty lines in sections of talk pages that are not even archived at that time (example on the bottom). --Leyo 07:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are not my bots - they have a different architecture, so they do things differently.
 * My bot first is object-oriented. First, it decomposes the page (and archives, as necessary) into the intro and proper <tt>Thread</tt> objects. These in turn are composed of a thread title (such as "Archived twice") and thread content. Threads are then tossed into the archives as appropriate - it's easier than working with chunks of text - I just remove objects that have certain properties from one array (the page's) and put them in another (the archive's). When changes are ready to be committed, new raw page text is being literally composed from the objects: first the page intro, then each thread writes the title (surrounded by double equal signs, separated from them by a single space, because that's a standard format for titles), a new line (because that's a standard too) and finally appends its contents.
 * As you see, it is not explicitly adding newlines where they're missing - it's an implicit side-effect of its OO architecture.
 * Bottom line is, there is no reason to change it, therefore I am not. Regards, Миша 13 08:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Big Bang
More weirdness. On Talk:Big Bang, the bot didn't increment the counter when the last archive page reached the max size. —WWoods (talk) 04:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Ludvikus
I've noticed you've Archived my talk page - thanks. But if you look at my List of Archived Pages - Archives 1 - 3 are listed. But what you've archived isn't listed (4 thru 8?). Can nyou make the appropriate correction - so these archived pages are also listed? Thanks. --Ludvikus (talk) 01:40, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * My bot doesn't maintain archive lists and indexes. You can however replace your archive box with the <tt> </tt> or <tt>  </tt> template and it will update itself automatically. Миша 13  05:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Problems with MiszaBot on Simple English Wikipedia...
Hello,

We use Miszabot on Simple English Wikipedia to automatically archive a few "high-volume" pages. This has worked well, and we were all happy about it. However, in recent times the bot seems to "hiccup".

(For the following: The archivesize is set to 95K, the archival time is set to either 4,5, or 7 days, depending a bit on our mood).


 * Yesterday, I found the following situation:
 * Archive at 123k in size, there is one (large) discussion that is in the archives several times (see Archival page, Main page] when it was noticed (We are talking about the discussion Any point? here)
 * I clear out the logs, and delete the respective discussion manually.
 * Today, I look again; scenario is the same:
 * Bot archives a number of discussions, but does not clear them from the page after archiving

Just thought I wanted to let you know. (If you reply please use my SEWP talkpage, or send me email, I am not very often on EnWP), --Eptalon (talk) 15:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just an update that it appears its because its not removing the old discussion from the talk page when it adds it to an archive. -DJSasso (talk) 21:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is related to recent problems with the MediaWiki upgrade - the simplewiki configuration file was missing an important setting. I believe the bot should be working correctly now. Миша 13 07:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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