User talk:Misza13/Archives/2009/11

Administrators noticeboar/Incidents archive missing
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&action=historysubmit&diff=320958286&oldid=320958265 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvoz (talk • contribs) 21:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please explain a little more what the problem is? –xenotalk 21:22, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - that was an unintentional "save"... starting again:

According to the edit summary here  seven threads were removed from the active Incidents page and deposited into Archive 571 on October 20. Except that I can't find it in Archive 571 or anywhere else - unless I'm missing it somehow. Please reinstate this into the archives so that it can be found if needed on a search. Thanks. Tvoz / talk 21:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Manually inserted . As for why - you got me. –xenotalk 21:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I would have done it myself but thought it best for it be handled by an admin, since I'm referenced in there. As for why - gremlins, clearly. Cheers Tvoz / talk 21:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Gremlins or someone changing the framework core. Clearly, pywikipedia is becoming less and less reliable. If only I had more time to work on my new project... Миша 13 09:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't you just use a legacy version? (To prevent this and the above < issue?) –xenotalk 12:49, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No, for two reasons. One, I wouldn't know which revision to use, exactly (or which change to revert) without spending hours debugging the core. Two, I actually prefer my code up-to-date - at least if something changes drastically in MediaWiki's behavior, when people patch the core to handle that, my code will catch up that change too (in fact, bot operators are policy-obliged to keep their bots' libraries up-to-date). Миша 13 18:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ya, I figured as much (re wanting to keep ahead of MediaWiki's moving target). –xenotalk 18:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The bot skipped again... Two threads removed here, at 06:35, but they never actually made it into the archive. --Elonka 16:06, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

one-time archiving
There is a certain talkpage which has gotten rather long and for which some users have requested archiving. Doing that manually would be cumbersome because there are a lot of threads with a mixture of new and old posts. Is there a simple way to archive it with Miszabot? It's not clear from the HowTo. The idea is not to have periodic archiving, but rather to have the bot run just once over the page in question, then not run again unless requested again. This might be most straightforwardly expressed by an "archive-once" parameter, that causes the bot to remove the request from the page as part of the archiving process. Thanks. 69.228.171.150 (talk) 01:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would just set it up normally, let it run once, then remove the archive template once its done. Tim1357 (talk) 02:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo
You may want to check my edits of User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. -- allen四names 16:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Bot status: MiszaBot III (also MiszaBot I and MiszaBot II)
I have been checking the user contributions of MiszaBot III and I see no activity after 09:17, 9 November 2009. The other two bots mentioned in the heading have also stopped. Please let me know when (hopefully not if) MiszaBot III will be back in operation. -- allen四names 22:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The bots seem to have suffered a random loss of login cookies and should now be coming back online. Миша 13 23:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- allen四names 23:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Still no archiving :( Is this likely to be resolved soon, or should I manually archive for a while? --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 16:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we're back in business now. Миша 13 17:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is indeed - thank you --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 07:30, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Archiving is behind at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. BOZ (talk) 16:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * And pywikipedia is being an epic fail. Миша 13 17:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * MiszaBot II does not appear to be completely inactive but the other two have gone south. -- allen四names 05:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Those runs you see since 11th were all manual ones. For some reason, the PoS keeps failing in automatic mode. Toolserver had a scheduled downtime for today, so that might be related. Миша 13 14:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "being" haha, more like "has always been." :P Had any time to work on the Java framework? (And there's always wikitools if you want a Python framework that's already made and doesn't fail so hard.) --MZMcBride (talk) 10:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact, I have worked on it a bit recently. It goes slow however, and the Wikinews Importer Bot is more likely to be the first one to be ported. And why I insist on making my own framework instead of reusing others' is because (like every programmer) I trust my own code the most. ;) Миша 13 14:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like you fixed MiszaBot III. Thank you. -- allen四names 20:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

It appears that User:MedcabBot is down as well. We have a case that has been opened, but has not been added to the list of pending cases. I see no edits to the case template in the last few days, and I think we've got something similar going on with it. The Wordsmith Communicate 03:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And RFCbot. Maybe someone made a change that is affecting bots?


 * RFCbot is not mine. For MedcabBot, I can say that I can't get it to log in due to some weird error. Yes, it seems like more fail by pywikipedia, and very likely affecting bots en masse. Which is why I'm doubling efforts to abandon the use of this framework ASAP. Миша 13 07:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews Importer Bot blocked
Since the bot (and by that I am including the infrastructure around it, since you said before the bot itself is okay) is still causing more harm than good by placing articles in the wrong place, I blocked it for now. I'm going to bring the issue up over on WN to try and get it sorted; I'd imagine we can switch the bat back on fairly soon. Sorry about that; I guess there's not much you can do about it. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)   (Contribs) 13:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm going to unblock just as soon as bawolff gives me something I can link to in the block log here. BTW, seems blocking wouldn't make any difference, so sorry. I thought it would. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 18:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had a theory why the bot was not working. Turns out my theory was wrong . How often is the bot generally run. Also would the change to having the vector skin as the default affect the bot. As far as i can tell, it should not (I was looking at the source code), but my knowladge of python/pywikipedia is very limited. (but if it did make a difference, that would not explain why it worked on on november 7th). Bawolff (talk) 19:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Bot seems to be working fine now. Bawolff (talk) 20:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I haven't exactly "disappeared off the face of the earth", but I was away for the weekend.
 * The bot runs on the toolserver every hour, so any downtimes are to be blamed on the toolserver.
 * Skins cannot affect it - the source on its userpage is not exactly up to date; now it's using the API to invoke the parser directly to render the output. Миша 13 08:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My apologies, someone on irc told me you had dissapeared (I should not listen to rumours). Apperently the bot is not working properly still (unless the toolserver had been down more often than it has been up). If it should update every hour, and the page on wikinews ussually changes very approximantly ten times per day (at least some of which spread out over multiple hours), but yet it hasn't updated once in the last three days. This seems to imply their is a problem with your bot being run on an hourly basis, as opposed to there being a problem with the toolserver. Bawolff (talk) 22:24, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being dense here, but I really can't grasp the problem. I compare:
 * Portal:Current events/Wikinews/Today vs n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Today,
 * Portal:Current events/Wikinews/Today-1 vs n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Today-1
 * and so on. And everytime I look, they're updated. Then again, I'm looking at the source for the latter and as of writing this (Nov 11) I see "category=November 7, 2009" so I figure it's a problem on the wikinews end? Миша 13 22:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I apologize, there was a typo in n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Today-1 (now fixed). However, that was the only page with said typo. Your bot is not regurally updating any pages. For example, lets take n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Today (Which did not have such a typo). Right now on wikinews it looks like:

* British Airways and Iberia agree to merge * Italian goalkeeper Carlo Cudicini seriously injured in motorcycle accident * Mozambican opposition rejects election results, calls for another vote * Blown for Good author discusses life inside international headquarters of Scientology Yesterday (on the 12th) it looked like: * Judge known for jailing pirates shot dead in Bossaso, Somalia * At least ten soldiers killed in Pakistan clashes * At least twenty dead after landslides in Tanzania * Washington, DC sniper John Allen Muhammad executed by lethal injection * Three more scientists resign from UK ACMD drugs advisory council * Scientists find key human language gene However currently, the wikipedia version looks like it did on the eleventh. Consider another example. According to Portal:Current events/Wikinews, the last article wikinews published was on the 5th. I can assure you that since the fifth, we have published 89 articles. They've all appeared on n:portal:Current events/Wikipedia, but none of these 89 articles have appeared on Portal:Current events/Wikinews. It seems rather unlikely to me that there is a problem on the wikinews end with almost all of the pages used by the bot. Bawolff (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Again, I'm looking at n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Today and see:

* German football goalkeeper Robert Enke is dead * Massive power failure hits Brazil * Two Kenyans kidnapped by gunmen in Somalia now released * Bomb hits northwestern Pakistan; at least 30 killed * South African police officer kills three year old boy
 * This is identical to Portal:Current events/Wikinews/Today.
 * As for Portal:Current events/Wikinews, look at the page it's being fed from: n:Portal:Current events/Wikipedia - again, same list of articles, so it can't be a problem with my bot. True, none are newer than 5th Nov, but that rather seems like a problem with the <DynamicPageList> tags on Wikinews and why they don't update. Миша 13 21:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats really interesting. When i look at that page, it looks totally different from what you say you see.When I look at the page on wikinews, it has the latest news. So why are we seeing different things? Bawolff (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I just tried viewing it as an anonoymous user, and i saw the version from november 5th. Thus i think the problem is caching. I notice that if you do a query trying to render a transclusion of the page in question, instead of directly parsing the page (aka http://en.wikinews.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text=%7B%7BPortal:Current_events/Wikipedia%7D%7d&title=Portal:Current_events/Wikipedia ) It will re-evaluate the dpl instead of showing the cached version. Bawolff (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that's just pure and epic fail... I suppose I could as well add an <tt>action=purge</tt> to before a call to render. Миша 13 07:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Appears to be working now. Wikinews sends you wiki-love. Bawolff (talk) 05:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Your Bot's Error in my ArbCom Appeal
Recently your bot was responsible for this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&action=historysubmit&diff=325755605&oldid=325730011

One of the results of said edit, was the archiving of my case that was yet to be decided. As for the reason, your bot placed Archiving 7 thread(s) (older than 2d) to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive49. Five hours earlier, I made this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&action=historysubmit&diff=325724957&oldid=325710238. Not two days earlier, but five hours earlier.

While I respect the bots, and realize that they are vital to Wikipedia, I would like you to reprogram your bot in order to prevent such a case from happening in the future, to another Wikipedian. Or perhaps keep your bot out of Appeals and enforcements, and have those archived manually. I'm not sure how you want to do it, as I'm not a bot programmer. You should also check the project page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, to see if there's anymore mess left to clean up, as I may have not noticed it all. Thank you for your consideration, HistoricWarrior007 (talk) 20:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * That's expected behavior. Your "five hours earlier" edit did not introduce any new timestamps to the thread, only changed its title. The bot analyses a thread and looks for the newest timestamp - if it's older than the threshold configured for that page, it gets archived. This is not going to change. Thank you, Миша 13 21:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

archiving not working on my user talk page
do i have something set up wrong? the bot isn't archiving my user talk page. —Chris Capoccia T&#8260;C 16:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My bet is because you provided invalid (empty) values for some of the configuration parameters. If you want a default value to be used, just don't mention it. Миша 13 16:14, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How dare you answer your own talk page threads! ;p I think it was the missing counter value, yes? I've added it. By the way, Chris, 25k is a rather low value for max archive size, you might consider increasing that. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk  16:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone messed up the pywikipedia framework recently, that got me out of my cave for a few days to clean up the mess. ;) Counter, as well as minthreadsleft and minthreadstoarchive - casting an empty string to an integer value can't reasonably be expected to be successful. :) Миша 13 20:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ok. thanks. it would be helpful if the faq said empty parameters wouldn't give the default. —Chris Capoccia  T&#8260;C 17:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

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MiszaBot for Wikipedia Reference Desks
Hi. We are trying to improve the archiving of the RefDesks, discussion is here: Wikipedia talk:Reference desk. Long story short, we'd like to use MiszaBot to archive the threads based on last post (as it is set up to do) rather than first post (as we are doing currently). However, we would like the archives to be stored by date (year/month/day) of the FIRST post that starts the thread. MiszaBot's documentation doesn't indicate that this is possible, firstly it only shows parameters for year/month, and secondly the documentation isn't clear about which year/month is used (first post, last post, or archive date?). If you can weigh in on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk it would be appreciated. If MiszaBot isn't set up to do exactly what we'd like perhaps there is still some way to make it work for us. Regards. ZUNAID●FOREVER 19:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * When using year/month it uses the date of archiving. And Misza's activity is greatly reduced as of late, I do not think he will be able to add any functionality to MiszaBot to change this behaviour. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 15:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Without confirming with the source code, I think that will be the date of the timestamp that qualified the thread for archival, not the date when the actual archival takes place. Implementing an algorithm that uses the first timestamp instead of the last should not be extremely tricky, but like xeno said, my time is limited due to real-life constraints and I continually forget to fix even the simple things. :( Миша 13 18:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You were right. =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 18:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Is AutoArchivingNotice template incorrect (re 2 signatures)?
I've been informed two signatures aren't needed. (And I see Signpost gets archived without a second signature.) Should this template be updated, or is it obsolete? Thanks. Proofreader77 (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * You can add a switch:


 * —WWoods (talk) 01:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! Proofreader77 (talk) 02:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Switching from Werdnabot
A while back I set up automatic archiving with Werdnabot for Talk:Georgetown University, a featured article. This was a bad choice because Werdnabot recently broke and as it turns out, no one's gonna fix it. So I was wondering if someone could help me switch to MiszaBot (or an alternative), and make it pretty. The thing is I now have two layers of archives, the stuff I manually archived, and the stuff that got automatically archived, and I'd prefer not create a third layer with MiszaBot. I'm considering moving all the old archives back onto the talk page, and then setting MiszaBot to go, but am not sure what will happen. Any advice?-- Patrick {o Ѻ ∞} 19:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If I see that good, there's only one archive page so far. From the talk page just remove the stuff that pertains to Werdnabot and add the code for my bot, and possibly an archive box. There's no need to keep them separate - there's no such thing as "layers" here -just archive pages. But if you want it badly, you can just set the counter to 2 and my bot will start from the second page. Миша 13 12:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Troll archive index not working
The archive index for the Troll discussion page is not working: Talk:Troll_(Internet)/Archive_index
 * That has nothing to do with my bot, I'm afraid. Миша 13 12:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

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Special archiving
Добрый вечер. I was wondering if you could help me. :-) I'm trying to find a bot/system that will allow the requests on WP:FFU to be archived only once they receive a response. I know that several years ago Werndabot had an option that would only archive a thread once there were two signatures. Is that possible? If that's not feasible, maybe a bot that could archive once one of these templates are used on it? We have had quite a few requests archived on that page while they go unanswered, and would rather not see that happen. If you could write something for us, or point me in a certain direction, that would be great! Killiondude (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I just now looked at your "about me" and noticed you live in Poland... I guess I should have just greeted you in English in my previous post.... :-) sorry 'bout that. Killiondude (talk) 06:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

MiszaBot na plwiki
Hej - Twój bot od 2 tygodni nie hasa po polskiej Wikipedii - pal sześć archiwizację, ostro walczymy z disambigami a MiszaBot robił rewelacyjną robotę aktualizując listy i licząc disambigi do zrobienia. Zajrzysz czy coś nawaliło? Dzięki! Lukasz Lukomski (talk) 10:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

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Not archiving
For some reason, MiszaBot III isn't arching my talk page. I don't know why. Do I have to wait longer or something? -- Ha dg  er  16:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)