User talk:Misza13/Archives/2011/09

How to send subpage archives to the regular archive?
Hi, can anyone here help me set up archiving for a subpage of Wikipedia talk:Verifiability, where the archived pages go into the regular archives for that policy talk page (i.e. the next one would be Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Archive 50. I just tried doing it on Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/First sentence, but can't manage it because it is trying to create new archives for that subpage. SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 15:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This will probably require a token. – xeno talk 15:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I read on the config page that you need a token if you want a subpage not to be archived as a subpage. But do you also need a token to have other subpages archived along with the main talk page? If so, how do I get one? SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 16:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You want the subpage to be archived to somewhere other than its subpage - you want it archived to its parent's archives. So yes, you'll need a token - Misza can provide one. But will it be obvious that the "/First sentence" archives were discussions held on a subpage? The discussion subpage is not well-watched. – xeno talk 16:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a new subpage set up for a specific discussion that has been taking over the main talk page since April, and is driving several people mad. I therefore set up a subpage in the hope the discussion will continue there (which it may or may not, time will tell). But regardless, I want to make sure the discussion is archived along with all the other talk-page discussions, even if it does take place on the subpage. I'm not sure it will matter to future readers where it originally took place. SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 16:35, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Can anyone tell me where I should ask for a token? SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 16:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's here, but Misza seems to be on a bit of a break. You might consider switching archiving bots. – xeno talk 16:47, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * New timestamp. May want to manually archive or use ClueBot. – xeno talk 19:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. I've gone ahead and set up the bot to archive that subpage separately; the page is getting a lot of edits, so it may end up with enough material for a separate archive anyway. If not, we can always re-do it manually. SlimVirgin  TALK |  CONTRIBS 19:54, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi I was wondering if you could help me with setting archiving up as I found the instructions particularly hard to follow Thanks User: Aviation.expert 09:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The.aviation.expert (talk • contribs)
 * I removed an errant "1" from the target page parameters. Now we need to give it up to a day to see if it is working correctly. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  15:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it archived correctly now. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  19:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't MiszaBot (one of them, anyway) have archived my talk page by now? Or did I do something wrong? ...Dynamic&#124;cimanyD... (talk&#124;klat) ☺ 20:08, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 20:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I set up the archiving before I was renamed. I created my account as Cimanyd, then had it changed because it's supposed to be "Dynamic" backwards, so it should be cimanyD, not Cimanyd. And, of course, usernames must start with a capital letter. Anyway, thanks for fixing it! :) ...Dynamic&#124;cimanyD... (talk&#124;klat) ☺ 20:55, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Working! :) ...Dynamic&#124;cimanyD... (talk&#124;klat) ☺ 19:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it =) – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 19:42, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikisource archiving
Misza, would you consider either bringing your archive bots over to the English Wikisource or providing the code?--Doug.(talk • contribs) 11:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Turning off the bot
How do you turn off the bot? On pages like [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pseudoscience#How_to_avoid_edit_wars_in_Pseudoscience_talk_pages.2C_and_LOL Pseudoscience talk[] that have little activity, the talk page will quickly become empty. An empty talk page does no good for the reader's ability to know what the editors are thinking. That defeats the purpose of retained information in a wiki.

Yes, I know it is in the archive, but I expect few people will dig that far. Tom Butler (talk) 00:10, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The page won't empty because there is a parameter set to keep 4 threads minimum. With 15 pages of archives and a search box, I don't see a problem. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  23:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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Archiving
Please will you help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Birdstothewind set up archiving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The.aviation.expert (talk • contribs) 14:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Has this user read and tried the instructions? Have they indicated that they wanted their talk pages archived? <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  00:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Archived Discussion archived again today?
Two editors asked me about a discussion which was archived some weeks ago. I know because I had to ask someone to find it for me. Now that they have mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/La_goutte_de_pluie - I went to that archive and noticed that it seems to be dated only a few days ago. I might be incorrect and am reading an archiving of a later discussion but it still comes back to the earlier archived discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive130#Death_of_Caylee_Anthony:_Alleged_defamation_by_WP:RS. Since the RFC first mentioned is about an Administrator, I just wanted to check that it has not been touched since the earlier archived date. This is not an inference to you or anyone else in any way. Just a curious thing which I noticed and would ask for clarification on the process. I "might" want to archive some of my own discussions but have not yet decided. Thank you. Mugginsx (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The archive itself has not been tampered with and you can see that for yourself in its history. If you have reason to believe that something has been altered in the original thread before it was archived then I would suggest that you search the history of Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard while it was still posted there.


 * What I recall you asking about relative to the archives is here in this page's archives. I may be misunderstanding but have you confused the two of these? Hopefully helpful, <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  00:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I understand now. Mugginsx (talk) 18:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Medcab
Just letting you know that the bot appears to have stopped archiving at Mediation Cabal/Cases. -- Scjessey (talk) 22:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The bot is working there again. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  15:44, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Bot stalled?
Can anyone see what's wrong on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants? I installed the bot a few days ago but as of this morning it still hasn't run. —WWoods (talk) 15:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The target mask didn't match their current convention. Rather than using months & years, they are currently using a counter-based system (the current archive is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants/Archive56). I've changed the parameters so hopefully it will work now. If not, the bot code may need to go to the top of their page. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  15:38, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * While they are currently numbered, the pages are monthly archives. April threads should go to #57, May to #58, etc. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants/Archives. So, since Miszabot can do that, I think it'd be better to do it that way. If numbering is desired, it'd be easier to move a page from '/Archive YYYY/MMM' to '/Archive##' than to update the counter parameter each month.
 * —WWoods (talk) 17:50, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that we see if it works after I've changed it. I can't remember which pages gave me similar grief when I tried to change the archiving scheme but I came to the conclusion that when there is a mismatch then the bot won't work. I could be wrong but if the bot does work with my changes then that issue may be true. We could try changing/moving after we figure out what is wrong. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  18:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried a similar change on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, and it seems to have worked fine. Well, we'll see what happens. Thanks for taking a look at it.
 * —WWoods (talk) 18:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yay! It worked. I'm not sure about the best way to address the month/year conversion however. Either previous archives could be moved to fit that scheme (moderate amount of work) or the project could begin to use standard indexing instead of the cherry-picked topics as they have now. I looked at their indexing which I don't believe is a good way of doing it. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  14:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Bot trouble
Miszabot III archived content from my talk page to "/dev/null." and that too within 24h with no such tag on my talk page. I had recovered content and i find it too difficult to understand why the bot did it like that. --Anirudh Emani (talk) 07:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You changed the bot, taking out the linebreaks ... which Miszabot relies on to find the end of the parameters. (The indexing bot doesn't care.) You've already fixed it, and I guess you've recovered all the sections that got lost?
 * —WWoods (talk) 18:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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