User talk:Misza13/Archives/2012/03

User:MiszaBot II down?
It hasn't run since February 27... Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 17:50, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Same with MizBot III. Dreadstar  ☥   16:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And User:MiszaBot I. -- lTopGunl (talk) 14:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to say the same. The archive for my talk page is not working. I looked through the FAQ and it does not seem to be related to any problem given there. Its getting clogged, could someone look into it? Thanks.  X.One   SOS  15:51, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently, the toolserver (nightshade) that runs the bot's cron jobs is down with a hardware problem, Toolserver status, a missing disk. Per the update here.  Dreadstar  ☥   20:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And a couple of problems with nightshade's designated backup, willow, . Dreadstar ☥   20:34, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Some other bots are running, e.g. AnomieBOT, ClueBot, SineBot. What's the difference? And, can Miszabot be moved, or whatever? —WWoods (talk) 05:34, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's now up, but what happened here? Possibly fixed by this . Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:35, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The bot really doesn't like it if you start a line with a space.
 * "The bot expects to see only one parameter per line. The closing }} must be on its own line. There must be no leading spaces before the pipes. If you drop out the newlines used in the above example, e.g. by wrapping the template invocation onto a single line, the bot may not do what you expect."
 * We'll see what happens tomorrow. —WWoods (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

File:bbc one 2006.jpg
This file was deleted as orphaned non-free. However, does this image pass threshold of originality in the United States? BBC logos may have passed it in the United Kingdom and were undeleted per Deletion requests/Log/2012 January 30. --George Ho (talk) 09:30, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * (lurking in the area) Yes, easily. It's a screen grab from this ident, so it's not just the words "BBC One" in fancy font or something equally simple. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  09:59, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Miszabot up ... then down again?
It ran yesterday/today What happened? —WWoods (talk) 21:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 18:00 5 March – 15:44 6 March 2012 (UTC) (MiszaBot I)
 * 17:42 5 March – 22:02 5 March 2012 (UTC) (MiszaBot II)
 * 17:42 5 March – 03:37 6 March 2012 (UTC) (MiszaBot III)
 * See above section for details. Nightshade is still down, and I'm still running them manually, i.e. irregularly. Again, I want to first remove the jobs from nightshade's cron (and I need it to go up again for that) before I switch everything over to cronsub (to avoid a scenario where two crons run copies of the same bot simultaneously). &mdash;Миша 13 07:46, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, what's the worst-case scenario if two copies of the same bot ran simultaneously? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  09:22, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Any progress on fixing things? —WWoods (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Bad archival


Thanks, Rob SchnautZ (WMF) (talk • contribs) 20:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Bob, I've deleted the additions to the various archive pages to follow your reversion of the bot to prevent duplications in the archives. I've made a couple of tweaks including setting the initial counter to 1 since Wikipedia talk:India Education Program/Archive 1 did not exist. The archive appears to have been mis-configured from the start here.


 * Is there something else that I'm missing? I believe it will archive correctly the next time that it runs. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  21:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The only thing I was worried about was that it left a  tag unclosed, leaving the page in a very ugly state. Check the visual output on the bot's revision; it's nasty. The revision prior to it didn't exhibit that problem. Rob SchnautZ (WMF)  (talk • contribs) 18:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, got it. The bot sees section headers as the start of a new thread and pre tags were spanning across a header. I've tweaked it and it shouldn't be a problem now. ⋙–Berean–Hun<b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  19:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks! <span style="font-family:linux libertine o, times; font-variant:small-caps">Rob SchnautZ (WMF) (talk • contribs) 20:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Not archiving Talk:Circumcision
For some reason the bot no longer archives Talk:Circumcision. Does anyone here know why? Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 00:53, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See several sections above. —WWoods (talk) 06:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Bot not responding
I'm thinking the bot is not responding, but I don't know if it should be restarted. Let me know! NCISfan2  (talk)  16:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See the above sections...hopefully it is temporary. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  16:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

BOT not working
Hi, MiszaBot III isn't archiving my talk page anymore. It was supposed to archive anything older than 7 days, but hasn't done so for two weeks. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just popped over here to report the same thing. Should be 10d, there's some items that are over 3 weeks old.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just seen the above - good luck with that!  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 10:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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Set it up in Willow for now.
Wouldn't it be easier to set up the cron in Willow and MiszaBot run from there until Nightshade is back up. It doesn't seem that nightshade is being fixed anytime soon. Although there is a maintenance window scheduled for tonight. Maybe they will reboot nightshade during then.— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 522,383,887 ) 21:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * See a few threads above. → Σ  τ  c . 01:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That really doesn't answer. I'm already aware of the previous threads but Misza13 is maker on themselves but manually running it instead of setting up a crontab there.— cyberpower  ( Chat )( WP Edits: 522,421,018 ) 01:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * "Again, I want to first remove the jobs from nightshade's cron (and I need it to go up again for that) before I switch everything over to cronsub (to avoid a scenario where two crons run copies of the same bot simultaneously)". I'm sure that explained everything. → Σ  τ  c . 01:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well anyways, I'm switching over to Cluebot III for now until MiszaBot is running regularly.— cyberpower ( Chat )( WP Edits: 522,483,555 ) 11:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

BRFA
Sorry for being dopey here, but under what process was Wikinews Importer Bot approved? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 11:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Under the rule of awesome, I guess. &mdash;Миша 13 13:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced archive
Hi. I think this archive was misplaced. —  Jeff G. ツ (talk)   23:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is a little bizarre. There is a 2006 datestamp in the thread which the bot picked up and assumed was accurate for archival purposes. If I were you I would manually adjust your archives; fortunately that seems like a very rare problem. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  21:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Bots down & stuff
Posting Jimbo-style, on my own talk page. I'm sure I have enough stalkers that will crosspost this to the multiple relevant forums that've sprung up.

Yes, bots are down. Yes, they run off cron on Toolserver's nightshade (which is currently down without a clear ETA on fixing).

I will run them manually off willow when I get back from work (which is about 8 hours from now) and will do so until nightshade is back up. I don't want to set them up in cron on willow, because once nightshade does go back up, I'm afraid of the terrible mess that could ensue with multiple copies of bots running concurrently.

From other news... No, I'm not dead. Yes, I am inactive in the sense that I don't edit. I do, however check my email regularly and this talk page every few days, so it might take a brief while for me to react. I do react, however, when it's brought to my attention that my bots are bugging out. I might not necessarily reply (I'm known for fixing stuff stealthily without telling anyone) and please don't take offense in that. No, I do not develop my bots further simply because of lack of time/changed life priorities. &mdash;Миша 13 08:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Good to hear everything's okey with you, glad to hear the bots will run from willow till it's fixed. Cheers,  Snowolf How can I help? 14:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, good to know you are well. Thank you for helping. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  15:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Any chance you could run the bot that runs on simple.wiki as well? Probably not as critical as the ones here but if you have time that would be cool as well. -DJSasso (talk) 00:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

It seems to have stopped again. The latest edits were at —WWoods (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 13:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC) (MiszaBot I)
 * 20:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC) (MiszaBot II)
 * 01:45, 28 February 2012 (UTC) (MiszaBot III)
 * Is anyone working to get the Nightshade server back up and running or alternately replacing it? That seems to be the best solution. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  16:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * My bots are down as well :( Kaldari (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * My bots too. emijrp (talk) 12:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * They're trying to do a reinstall of it.— cyberpower Chat<sub style="margin-left:-3.7ex"> Online  12:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

In the end, I got bored waiting and figured out another solution I'm happy with. Since both machines share the /home dir, I just move all the cron scripts to another dir and set up cronie to use them. If and when nightshade comes up, its crontab will point to a non-existent directory and no bots should be run. So the status is, the Wikinews as well as archival bots should now return to running according to their original schedule, barring a situation where cronie decides willow is under too much load and delays execution of a script (no idea how often that happens). Let me know if you see any bots notoriously skipping their rounds. &mdash;Миша 13 13:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The last couple of days seems to start up ok but then craps out when it reaches articles within E. It also seems to stop running about the same time of day. Brad (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi pumpkin. I'm glad to hear you're not dead (yet). I hope you return to active editing/development at some point; I miss you. I'm fairly sure nightshade's crontabs were completely wiped (and are not coming back), but I posted to toolserver-l just now to confirm. I'm fairly confident that there's no issue putting your jobs on willow at this point (edit: I see you've already worked around the issue). Also, I've found it enormously useful to put my crontab in a crontab.txt file and then sync it using ("crontab ~/misc/crontab.txt"). That way I can edit the file wherever I want and it gets backed up like a normal file (and it's available on other hosts for syncing when one goes down ;-) --MZMcBride (talk) 15:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The old crontabs are definitely gone: <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/toolserver-l/2012-March/004855.html>. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

The new version is working after a fashion, but they start at the beginning each day and don't reach the end in the time available. For instance, MiszaBot I has yet to reach <tt>Talk:F*</tt> : (Times in PDT)

MiszaBot I: 17:45, 19 March 2012  Talk:2009 23:32, 19 March 2012 Talk:Ethics of eating meat ‎ 17:55, 20 March 2012 Talk:2011–2012 Syrian uprising ‎ 23:30, 20 March 2012 Talk:Evanescence 17:54, 21 March 2012 Talk:2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami 23:02, 21 March 2012 Talk:Education in the United States ‎ 18:04, 22 March 2012 Talk:9/11 conspiracy theories 23:27, 22 March 2012 Talk:Eugenics 17:43, 23 March 2012 Talk:2001 anthrax attacks 23:29, 23 March 2012 Talk:Eva Perón 17:35, 24 March 2012 Talk:"Weird Al" Yankovic 23:17, 24 March 2012 Talk:English Defence League MiszaBot II: 23:35, 22 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring ‎ 02:53, 23 March 2012 Help talk:Searching 07:35, 23 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ‎ 11:35, 23 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ‎ 23:35, 23 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring ‎ 02:56, 24 March 2012 Help talk:Searching 07:35, 24 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ‎ 15:35, 24 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents 23:35, 24 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring ‎ 02:53, 25 March 2012 Help talk:Displaying a formula 11:35, 25 March 2012 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents 15:35, 25 March 2012 ‎ Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents MiszaBot III: 05:35, 21 March 2012 User talk:(CK)Lakeshade 11:34, 21 March 2012 User talk:Porchcorpter 05:36, 22 March 2012 User talk:1234r00t ‎ 11:33, 22 March 2012 User talk:Qwyrxian 05:36, 23 March 2012 User talk:19maxx ‎ 11:33, 23 March 2012 User talk:Ramshankaryadav 05:36, 24 March 2012 User talk:19maxx ‎ 11:33, 24 March 2012 User talk:Peter coxhead ‎ 05:35, 25 March 2012 User talk:(CK)Lakeshade ‎ 11:34, 25 March 2012 User talk:RafikiSykes —WWoods (talk) 23:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Bot question on Commons
Hi, just in case you are not informed about changes on your Commons talk page: commons:User talk:Misza13. Sincerely, --Emha (talk) 15:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC) PS: I have seen, that Miszabot is currently down, but the question is general.

Lost archives in "faster-than-light neutrino anomaly"
I moved the page to "faster-than-light neutrino anomaly (OPERA experiment)". -And the archive is lost. Is there an easy way to restore it. (More easy than to use the page history.) --Bgm2011 (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Find it/them with "What links here".
 * 2) Move it to the new name.
 * 3) Update the bot code with the new name.
 * —WWoods (talk) 22:23, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Birthday (2012)
'''Wishing Misza13 a very happy birthday on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Let's talk <sub style="color:#008000;">about my edits? 14:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)