User talk:Misza13/Archives/2012/07

Lost talk page archives
Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 6, Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 7, Talk:Mass killings under communist regimes/Archive 1 (note the small c), and possibly others have been left unlinked to the Archive box. The first two were inexplicably archived to Archive 6 and 7 by Miszabot, when they should have been sent to Archive 1 and 2. The erroneous use of the small c by the archiver prevented it from being the first archive after the Miszabot 'glitch'; it should be the third archive. Miszabot's mis-archiving also archived an ongoing RFC; I hope steps have been taken to prevent that happening in the future. Anarchangel (talk) 22:40, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't exactly understand what the problem is or was but there are bound to be problems when an article has had multiple name changes. With each article move the bot needs to have its archiving path adjusted to the new name. Then the talk archives under the old article name need to be renamed properly as well. I see that this hasn't been done regularly. Brad (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Revision as of 02:47, 1 September 2009: MiszaBot I (Archiving 34 thread(s) (older than 14d) to Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 7, Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 6.) Why not Archive 1? I can think of no reason.
 * When bot archiving was set up the counter was set at 6 when it should have been set at 1. The 34 threads filled up archive 6 so the bot ticked the counter to page 7 and put the remaining threads there. Brad (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, to Archive 7: Revision as of 02:21, 2 September 2009: MiszaBot I (Archiving 3 thread(s) (older than 14d) to Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 7.)
 * Bot acting correctly according to its settings. Brad (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And then to Archive 1. Revision as of 02:13, 6 September 2009 MiszaBot I (Archiving 2 thread(s) (older than 14d) to Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 1. So far so good, except then "Talk:Communist genocide/Archive 1" gets erronously named; Talk:Mass killings under communist regimes/Archive 1 given a lower case c instead of a capital C.
 * Anarchangel (talk) 08:20, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * When the bot changed to archive 1, likely someone saw the mistakes above and corrected it. However, I cannot find the particular edit because there was so much activity between the 1st and the 6th.
 * You will have to merge the archived talk from the misnamed page: Talk:Mass killings under communist regimes/Archive 1 to an archive that is correctly named. Find the correctly named archive nearest to the date of the talk on the misnamed page. Brad (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * All three moved sucessfully. Anarchangel (talk) 05:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Category talk archiving
Hi - I've tried to set up category talk archiving here Category_talk:Ireland but it doesn't seem to be working. Do these bots work in the category namespace? If not, any suggestions? --KarlB (talk) 14:45, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the category namespace but a post was made on the page yesterday and all prior talk was from 2004. This sort of tells me that setting up bot archiving is not needed there. Just manually archive the old stuff. Brad (talk) 22:55, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * true, but I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I want the bot to do it, so I see that it works... I could manually archive, but I'm hoping to test the bot - does that make sense? --KarlB (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've googled through wikipedia and found a few other category talk pages with archiving set up, but no evidence that Misza bot ever ran. Is it possible this bot doesn't look at category pages? If so, is there a reason? Is it something that could be fixed? or is there another bot that does handle category pages? Thanks! --KarlB (talk) 03:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Not archiving
Any idea why this page isn't being archived? I imagine it has something to do with the format of the sections. Is there anything I can do that would cause the bot to archive the page? Thanks. -Scottywong | spout _ 14:00, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  14:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Scottywong, I think that this faulty page redirect, Edit filter/False positives/Reports/Archives/ 1 may be screwing things up. For some reason, it points to Edit filter/False positives/Archive 16. Unless there is some reason that it needs to hang around, I would delete the redirect as G6 housekeeping and see if that helps.


 * Thanks for the suggestion. I gave that a try, but it didn't seem to change anything.  Any other ideas?  -Scottywong | converse _  23:27, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look and did not see anything obvious. As a next step, you can try a manual archive, on the outside chance that there is something in one of these topics that is causing the problem.  In fact, I'll do that and you can see if it archives on the next run. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm not going to manually archive anything since the archives look messed up. While the link above shows archive 16, the ones I saw by looking at the subpage search only showed these:
 * Edit filter/False positives/Archive 1
 * Edit filter/False positives/Archive 2
 * Edit filter/False positives/Archive 9
 * Wikipedia talk:Edit filter/False positives/Archive 2
 * Then I noticed that the bot appears to have never done an archive since you set it up on June 28. So I'm not sure what is going on. Why did you start at archive number 24?  Vegaswikian (talk) 00:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives, you'll see that archives 1 thru 23 exist already. -Scottywong | gossip _  14:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

MiszaBot III not marking edits as "bot"
MiszaBot III is not marking edits as "bot", so now I get a "new messages" banner whenever it archives my talk page, which wasn't happening before. Any reasonn why it's doing that? David 1217 14:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * My bot, being flagged as such is not able to NOT flag its edits as such (the bot flag on edits is not shown in page history, however). More importantly, archiving edits are also flagged as minor, which does not cause the "new messages" bar to appear. Why you saw the bar is because someone else left you a message and my bot archived after that. The "new messages" bar will however always link to a newest diff on your talk page. This is why you were under the impression that my bot's edit caused the message to appear. This should probably be put in the FAQ... &mdash;Миша 13 15:07, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I obviously didn't look at the page history close enough... David  1217  What I've done 16:17, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Minor note: bots (users in the bot user group) are capable of explicitly specifying whether to mark a particular edit as bot or not. It's the bot parameter in the action=edit module of the MediaWiki API. A few bots don't mark their edits as bot edits under certain circumstances (particularly if the bot wants to have outside review by RecentChanges patrollers, as I recall).

Admins also have the capability of marking their edits as bot or not, but I believe that's only attached to action=rollback. It looks like it's the markbot parameter of action=rollback in the API. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

MiszaBot II not archiving WT:TW
For some reason WT:TW hasn't been archived for almost a month. I can't see what might have changed to cause MiszaBot II to bypass the page. What might be the cause? — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the bot is working correctly but it is the layout of the page that is at issue. The first section is not dated and will not be archived.  The rest of the page is part of the second discussion on the page which has many sub sections.  The bot will not archive a section until the discussion is completed in all of its subsections is completed. I'll eliminate the heading I think is causing the problem and we can see what happens. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * MiszaBot was archiving happily with that setup for years. I doubt Misza13 has changed the bot's code... — This, that, and the other (talk) 00:48, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the bot archived a bunch of material tonight. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * So it did. Something must have been changed that it didn't like. Thanks all for your help. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Status report?
Most recently I've noticed that all three bots are running and appear to be completing full cycles. However, they seem to be skipping pages at random. My talk page is overdue for archiving and so is this very talk page. I replaced Misza with Clue Bot at WT:SHIPS because it was skipping that page too. Misza's are skipping pages, which is likely the reason people keep reporting trouble. Brad (talk) 15:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  17:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You mean like this one? I'm noticing that the bot hasn't visited here since middle of June but it should have, imo.

Dynamic page name
hi; when pages move, this bot may fail to archive (or archive in the wrong place) b/c someone forgot to update the string listing the name of the page. Is there a way to dynamically use the name of the page, instead of hard-coding? that way, if the page moves, the archiving will move with it automagically. --KarlB (talk) 03:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Specifically it is this thread. Note that Miszabot was re-enabled and attempted to archive but there was a blacklisted link so it didn't write the page...unfortunately it can't be undone by a non-admin because of the link. Is there a way of writing a function into the bot to automatically mangle blacklisted urls? Also, as a failsafe, I would suggest that the target write is done and confirmed before threads are removed from a page. Is this possible, Misza?

Why did you archive Fastballjohnd discussion at ANI?
The discussion wasn't closed and this subject needs addressing? Can you repost it or should I?...William 21:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The Zeitgeist Movement
Hi Misza13, thanks for your work on Wikipedia. Your bot has been archiving the wrong part of the talk page of The Zeitgeist Movement. It is archiving active talk threads. Thanks, IjonTichyIjonTichy (talk) 00:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The bot is set to archive threads over 30 days old which many of them are. If you want them to stay longer set  to a higher number. Also note that reverting the bot's edits doesn't remove the new archives its been creating. Now those are all a mess too. Brad (talk) 01:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

My user talk page
Howdy. It appears that my user talk page hasn't been archived for a couple of months. Is there anything I can do to get it archiving again?--Rockfang (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  12:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the problem is. I don't see any blacklisted links or other issues.

Re-creation of the Airlines Reporting Corporation (ARC) page
Hi. You have removed a page, namely Airlines Reporting Corporation, the 28 July 2007 (the comment was: "Speedy deleted per (CSD a7), was an article about a company or corporation that didn't assert the importance or significance of its subject..."). I would like to re-create that page, as it is missing. The best description I can find now is on Sabre's page (http://www.sabretravelnetwork.com/home/solutions/travel_agency/getting_started/): "ARC is an airline-owned company that provides ticket distribution, reporting, and settlement services for over 150 air and rail carriers and more than 20,000 ARC-accredited Travel Agency (TA) locations and Corporate travel departments. An ARC number is an identifier assigned by the Airlines Reporting Corporation (ARC) to a travel agency authorized to issue airline tickets. In order to ticket airline reservations, agencies in the United States must be ARC-accredited or be associated with an accredited host agency." ARC and BSP are important institutions/companies in the field of travel-related accounting. -- Denis.arnaud (talk) 17:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  02:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you archived the page before deleting it? Can I re-create it? -- Denis.arnaud (talk) 19:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Deleted pages are gone forever. Just recreate the article. Brad (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I may be mistaken, but generally speaking, deleted articles are not gone forever. Admins have the capability of restoring most deleted articles. In some cases, previously deleted articles are restored and then moved to a User: subpage for an editor to improve.--Rockfang (talk) 02:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've taken a look at the deleted page and all that was there was "Airlines Reporting Corporation, a company which handles administrative functions for airlines."...that one sentence, that is all. Sabre's sandbox version is far more substantial.
 * Thanks for all your feedbacks. I have re-created the page. Do not hesitate to amend it if you feel I did something wrong. -- Denis.arnaud (talk) 07:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Page footer on a talk page
Hi, Is there a way that a template (or a box) placed at the bottom of a talk page that says: "Please read the FAQ" can be exempted from archiving by the MiszaBot ? The DNAU approach would help with a thread, but is there also a way to do that without having a thread for the footer? The point is that the FAQ is at the top and most people miss it, and the idea would be to just make them aware of it with the footer that always stays on the talk page. The footer would look better without a section and having a section would just look confusing. Any idea? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 02:29, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

bot hiccups
Not sure what is going on. Miszabot has been copying into the ANI archives without removing the threads from the source page. Here are three readditions in a row w/o removal 1, 2, 3. The additions aren't equivalent and varied. The last 2 additions as of this writing have the same issue...4, 5. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  11:27, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I brought up the issue above here I had switched ANI over to Clue Bot but for whatever reason some rocket scientist changed it back to Misza. I think CB is more flexible for that type of environment but people have to be willing to learn CB's little tools. Brad (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Archiving question
Michal, I have been archiving my talk page using cut and paste for quite a while. All the archives are searchable. The most recent one is 10. I'd like to switch to MiszaBot but make sure it keeps my same style and starts with Archive 11. How would I do that? Or if I can't do it exactly the way I want, what would come closest? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  17:59, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've setup a preliminary configuration that is consistent with your current archives. It can be fine tuned to your tastes as shown here. After it works, you may want to consider setting up an index page. I can help with that if you wish.
 * Thanks, Berean, I'll watch to see what happens before I consider indexing. If I need more help, I know where to go. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Archiving
I added the code to User Talk:Lihaas but no archiving has been doneLihaas (talk) 23:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like another editor may have fixed the error. I also increased the size of the archives.  You may be surprised when you see how many archives a low setting creates.  I group my archives by year.  Vegaswikian (talk) 23:37, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Archive prevention
Is there a way to tell the bot, not to archive certain threads?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  11:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, read this first and also Q2 in this FAQ.

Requested templates page not archiving
Hi,

There seems to be a problem with your bot not archiving Requested templates - the last bot edit was on 2 June,and there are discussions not updated sine April or May, with a 28-day timer set. Can you check it, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I found a misplaced template inside the bot code which is the most likely reason it wasn't working. I also removed excessive white space. Cannot see why it wouldn't work now. Note to Vegaswikian: Increasing the size of an archive is not going to solve a bot problem. I put it back to 125k. Brad (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:53, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Aleamotuʻa
Can you archive Talk:Aleamotuʻa?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I had to repair the archives for that article. When the article was moved to a new title the archives were not moved to the new title. I left the current talk page empty. Brad (talk) 18:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Why is this talk page not archiving?
Yes, I mean this talk page: User talk:Misza13. I've looked for any settings that may have gone awry but can't see anything. The setup here is a bit complicated with custom headers and style; maybe that's the problem.. dunno. Brad (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2012 (UTC)