User talk:Misza13/Archives/2013/02

Adding newlines in threads not archived
Why does MiszaBot I add newlines below section headings of threads that are not being archived? The vast majority of editors that type wiki markup directly do not put a new line there, or even go so far as to remove them. Bots shouldn't edit war against editors tidying markup, and MiszaBot I shouldn't be touching threads that it's not archiving. See example. – voidxor (talk &#124; contrib) 07:31, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * This has already been brought up. Did you read the FAQ (Q6)? Also, the "correct"/tidy format is subject to personal opinion. - M0rphzone (talk) 02:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't see the FAQ, thanks. It doesn't fully explain why the newlines occur, however, and it definitely doesn't explain why the behavior can't be fixed. – voidxor (talk &#124; contrib) 07:02, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Issue with archive header field
I've already posted this on ClueBot Commons, but this affects MiszaBot as well: I added  to the archiveheader field for MiszaBot to append to the top of the archive pages, except it doesn't substitute templates. Is there a way to allow the pipe and noredlinks field to be added? Also, I'm not sure if the plain  works without the bot stopping at the pipe. - M0rphzone (talk) 03:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: Nvm, MiszaBot recognizes . - M0rphzone (talk) 03:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Bug with archiving to archive 10?
At Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies), the bot was archiving pages successfully to up to Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)/Archive 9. With Archive 10, something broke, most likely because of instead archiving to Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)/Archive 10 the bot did so to Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)/Archive10. This caused several problems: the archive is not linked from the listing at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies), which I believe is maintained by the bot itself, and which ends up at 9; and the aan is broken (at archive 9 it doesn't see 10, and at 10 it treats it as 1). I do note that in August moved archives 1-9 adding the space, with the edit summaries of "Fix spacing issue"; I suspect this may be part of the problem (I'll notify him of this discussion). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:12, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a bug; : in the archive parameter of User:MiszaBot/config, there is no space between the  and the  . If it was later decided that there should be a space before the archive number, and somebody moved the archive pages to insert that space, the archive parameter should have been suitably amended at the same time. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you fix it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Redrose64&dir=prev&offset=20130203171053&limit=4&target=Redrose64 These should fix it]. The two edits could have been done as one, but I didn't spot that the page was indexed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:18, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Now that the, I think we can mark this task as completed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:12, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Archiving after just 11 hours instead of 5 days
Hi Misza13,

Your bot made this edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28technical%29&diff=536327233&oldid=536250229

with message "Robot: Archiving 4 threads (older than 5d) to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 107." though the last thread it archived was less than 12 hours old, instead of 5d it claimed. Could you please check if your bot is operating as intended?

Thanks, cm&#610;&#671;ee&#2927;&#8202;&#865;&#176;&#160;&#814;&#1583;&#8202;&#865;&#176;&#8201;&#2669; 18:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Assuming that you are referring to the archiving of, the most recent date in that thread is 27 January. The bot goes by datestamps in the text, not those in the page history. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:14, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Who the heck are you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.126.25.13 (talk) 02:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Will a wikilink to a date in a user's signature (along with use of the American date format) disrupt the timestamp mechanism of your archive bots?
Hi Misza, the subject line says it all. Please see this discussion at the technical village pump. Graham 87 03:49, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Archive duplication and counter rollover at WT:WikiProject Computing
I noticed there are duplicate threads in archives 10 and 11. Additionally, it looks like the bot has decided archive 10 is full, but is not rolling the counter over to 11 in the config, and threads continue to be added to archive 10.

Looking into it further, the last time the counter was automatically rolled over was from 7 to 8. Archive 9 was manually created without updating the bot config; the bot continued archiving to number 8 until the config was deleted altogether. Later on the bot was re-enabled with the counter set to 10. Here is a diff of the config between the last time the counter rolled over, and the most recent archival:. I can’t see anything obviously wrong; maybe the space added in “| counter” or the space or lowercase in “ {{ user:MizaBot/config”? Any ideas? Vadmium (talk, contribs) 06:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC).
 * I think that this is the same problem that I had at above. My theory is that MiszaBot only ticks to the next archive if the current archive goes full as a result of bot action. If it already exceeds the max size (either because of manual archiving or because {{para|maxarchivesize}} was adjusted downwards), the bot gets confused. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes it does look similar, thanks for pointing that out. I discovered that archive 11 was also manually created, so maybe that’s the problem. Anyway, I manually bumped the counter, and deleted the duplicate archives, so now we can wait until the next archive fills up to see if the problem has gone away. Vadmium (talk, contribs) 23:31, 14 February 2013 (UTC).

Page move stops archiving?
We changed pluralized the name of WP:TAFI, and moved the page, and now Misza seems to have stopped archiving. Any ideas? -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 03:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've updated the archiving instructions hidden at the top of that page. That should fix it. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 16:14, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Link to archive page missing.
Your bot MiszaBot I archived Talk:World population/Archive 3, but Talk:World_population only mentions "April 2004 – October 2008" (Archive 1) and "2009 - present" (Archive 2). I don't know if this is due to a problem with the archive box, bot, or something else, but maybe you can look into it... --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:25, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅; on that talk page the archive box needs to be updated manually, . -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is this required just on that particular talk page? If not, then I think your bot needs to leave a message somewhere about required follow-up actions, because the only reason I noticed an archive link was missing is because I had posted something months ago that I could no longer find. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's not my bot; it's run by who isn't very active these days. I'm just a passer-by, and am answering questions that I'm able to.
 * How the archives get listed is nothing to do with MiszaBot I, but depends upon how the - or one of its equivalents - has been set up. Some pages, like Talk:World population have the archives listed manually within the ; others, like Talk:Arthur Conan Doyle have them listed automatically, in this case by setting long. With the manual method, you can choose your own link titles - Talk:World population uses date ranges; but with the automatic method the link titles are pretty much forced upon you. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)