User talk:Miunouta/Archive 1

Lukas Podolski
Hi, sorry, I messed up your edit (which was 100% okay) with the one from the IP immediately before your edit. I'd like to apologize for my error and have removed the warning. --Jaellee (talk) 16:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your clarification. Apology accepted. --Miunouta (talk) 08:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Jenkinson's nationality.
Hi there. First off welcome to wikipedia and I hope you like it here so far. Obviously I have checked and saw you have only been here for around a month so I understand why you did not know why I undid the edit. I actually had a discussion about this yesterday in which there was a problem with Emmanuel Frimpong who was born in Ghana but plays for England at youth level. Here it is... Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football. If you still have questions then dont be afraid to ask. Cheers and happy editing. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 20:10, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi thank you for your message. However, I'm afraid that it's just a discussion that doesn't really answer my question. I could not find any written Wikipedia policy or anything that explains about the flags. If you can, please send me the link, and I would be deeply appreciated. In some way, it might lead to the conclusion that information provided on Arsenal.com is invalid.--Miunouta (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * First off again, thank you for giving a nice reply (Warning: There will be a lot of assh***s on wikipedia). And second if you look at the Arsenal FC squad on the Arsenal wiki page you will see at the top that it says "Note: Flags indicate national team as has been defined under FIFA eligibility rules. Players may hold more than one non-FIFA nationality." Basically Jenkinson's FIFA registered nationality is Finish as that is the last team he played for. Once he plays for England (how hard is it to beat Kyle Walker) then his FIFA nation will be England. For now England is his non-FIFA nation and from the sentence at the top of the squad list the flag of his FIFA nation is to be listed. This is the best I can explain, if you still dont understand then I suggest you go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football and ask there (there is already a discussion based on what you posted on my talk page there). Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 20:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your explanation. And I do understand your warning as I've already been grotesquely targeted by some of them. --Miunouta (talk) 08:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Fulham Third Kit
Hello, I saw you made a kit update to the Arsenal F.C. article. Do you know who can help create the Fulham 3rd kit for the Fulham F.C. article? New Fulham 3rd shirt Thank you JMHamo (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. If it cannot be found in the existing kit/pattern list Template:Football kit/pattern list, you can follow the instructions here Template:Football kit and create a new pattern using your image editor.


 * Cheers --Miunouta (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

September 2013
Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Carl Jenkinson without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, you can use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Mattythewhite (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Jenkinson
That format being non-standard (or uncommon, rather) is not a reason for it not to be used, as 'majority rule' is not necessarily correct or desirable. A number good articles include divisions in these tables, such as Luke Foster, Lee Hughes and Scott Neilson, as do Duncan Edwards and Bobby Robson and Bert Trautmann, which are featured articles. I don't see how we're benefiting our readers by removing sourced content and moving the references. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove the divisions from the stats table? Removing important infomation is not "optimizing" and as Mattythewhite has said already, many featured articles include the divisions and I think they should be included, rather than being removed completely. Please revert your change as I am sure consensus would not support your removal of content. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please double-check my edits before commenting on them. Thanks.--Miunouta (talk) 18:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:V... by removing the references as you did, Eastbourne Borough stats are no longer verifiable. JMHamo (talk) 19:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, please double-check the new reference the the old references that I removed. The one appearance in "FA Trophy" is included in neither of them. So how can you say Eastbourne Borough stats are "no longer" verifiable? Please explain. Thanks.--Miunouta (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about.. is included, which you removed. JMHamo (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Then why did you say I "removed the divisions from the stats table" when I simply moved them to the left to make the table look similar to the ones in the featured articles?--Miunouta (talk) 19:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the references, my apologies, because you reverted my last change I consider that you are edit warring now and as I do not want to break 3RR I will seek dispute resolution. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 19:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * All I am trying to do it just removing unnecessary content and making the article more readable in order to benefit the readers. I am sorry if I accidentally removed the source for the FA Trophy match which has been added back by me.--Miunouta (talk) 20:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What about the other Charlton cite? Rather than being helpful, you are being disruptive. I have started a discussion on the Jenkison Talk page. There was nothing wrong with the table before you decided to "optimize" it. JMHamo (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? The ESPN reference includes all the appearances he made for Charlton.--Miunouta (talk) 20:13, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Not resolved
Please read WP:BRD... JMHamo (talk) 21:48, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Your last comment on the Jenkinson Talk page confused me. If you agree with the original career stats table format, please indicate this clearly and the edit protection can be removed from the page. Thanks JMHamo (talk) 22:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Cesc Fàbregas stats table
Hello, just looking at your New Version stats table you included on WP:FOOTY Players. It's looking really good, all it needs now is row-by-row (season by season) citations, like the way Chris Burke is now. Once that's done, there is no reason why it can't be included on the main Fàbregas article. JMHamo (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at your Cesc table a bit more in detail and there seems to be an issue with the competition notes, in particular the ^ a b c d e f g h i Appearances in UEFA Champions League. If you need help, let me know. Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to make it look similar to the 'Europe' column of Carl Jenkinson's stats table. What changes would you make?--Miunouta (talk) 22:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I will create a new sandbox and do a copy of the stats table, but it will have to be tomorrow. Also, consider removing the test stats table and Arsenal squad from your User page before an Admin notices and deletes it. Have a look at WP:FAKEARTICLE You can use a WP:SANDBOX for messing around. JMHamo (talk) 22:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your concern. I will use the sandbox feature when I do feel like 'messing around'. It has been stated clearly how contents in my userpage are only work in progress, temporary drafts and templates which may be included per WP:UPYES.--Miunouta (talk) 23:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, why do you find the ^ a b c d e f g h i Appearances in UEFA Champions League problematic?--Miunouta (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you always miss the point? from WP:FAKEARTICLE.. "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content." The Cesc Fàbregas stats table is disputed content. You have been warned. JMHamo (talk) 23:07, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ^ a b c d e f g h i Appearances in UEFA Champions League is not problematic, it's Wiki markup coded wrongly. JMHamo (talk) 23:10, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just chill. I am working on creating a separate page for temporary contents like drafts. It will take some time. Hopefully it can be done before someone viciously reports my user page for no obvious reasons.--Miunouta (talk) 02:31, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Using Transfermarkt as a Reliable Source
Hello, I see you've updated the career stats table for Mesut Özil and a few other Arsenal players and they are looking good, but just to let you know that transfermarkt.com is not considered a reliable source and should not be used for citations. You can read the (rather long) consensus discussion here. I intend to update the references when I get time to use Soccerway and/or Soccerbase, but if want to do it, feel free. JMHamo (talk) 21:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Please go ahead and make any appropriate changes because I will be away for a while. As far as I know, for Mesut Özil, Soccerbase does provide his match history for each season but apparently it is not complete. Soccerway provides all the stats we need but it is not listed season by season. Hope it helps.--Miunouta (talk) 00:06, 24 September 2013 (UTC)