User talk:Mjwombat

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bibliomaniac15 04:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Please Don't Create Vanity Articles
Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Mike Jackson Australian children's entertainer may not be sufficiently well-known to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. On Wikipedia, all users are entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. Alphachimp 05:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for you to advertise. When you become notable someone else will write an article about you. -- RHaworth 14:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I had a discussion with Alphachimp about this article last Thursday and understood that Mike Jackson meets the Wiki criteria:

Alphachimp wrote: ''Honestly, now that I read it, it seems that he (you?) has a shard of notability. I'll just leave the article alone. In the future, however, if an admin deletes your page, do not immediately recreate it. Alphachimp 06:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)''

I should point out that I am writing the article about Mike Jackson and I'm endeavouring to avoid commercialism. He meets several criteria for a Wikipedia entry.

He has: 1 certified platinum disk 2 certified gold disks 1 album qualified for but yet to be certified as a gold disk 30 albums to his credit (total sales over 250,000) Most released by EMI and Polygram 10 songbooks (total sales over 50,000 copies worldwide) Most produced and distributed by Music Sales.

In addition he has performed for over 2.5 million children (live) world-wide plus making countless TV appearances, hosting a radio show

I've spent an intensely frustrating two days now trying to carefully follow the Wikipedia rules.

I've checked listings Mike's similarly qualified Canadian peers Fred Penner and Sharon, Lois and Bram (he's actually recorded with the latter in Canada) and intended using the entry for Amazing Blondel as a pattern to Wikify Mike's entry.

I am a complete Wikinovice as far entering information is concerned and despite a desire to become a contributor am somewhat disheartened by how difficult this task has been.

I'm actually not even sure that this letter is going to reach anyone as I don't fully understand the talk system yet.

I'd really appreciate some help to get this sorted

Mjwombat 15:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Again,

Now I'm really confused - the article has vanished despite me following the instruction to put a hold on it. I can't find the reply to the note I wrote and about the article. I'm uttered bewildered why this should be so difficult. It's now 2 am in Australia and my eyes are nearly falling out of my head with fatigue!!

Help!

Regards

Mjwombat 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Mike Jackson stuff
Since I don't want to clutter RHaworth's talk page too much, I thought I'd jump over to here. I notice that although the page on Mike himself was deleted, the Mike and Michelle Jackson is still up. One thing you might want to consider is that generally, on WP, we don't like to have multiple pages when they could be easily merged together. I gather that Michelle is pretty much out of the limelight, so the main subject is Mike. The logical thing to do, once this gets up and going, is to have one page under Mike, and merge the info from the duo into it.

One aspect of Wikipedia that is critical: notability is established by references to independent reviews, either in online or print media. In other words, if the subject is important enough for others to be writing about, then it is important enough to be included here in the encyclopedia. This singular point is probably the most misunderstood element by newcomers, and I can't tell you how many times folks have gotten their knickers in a twist over this. The key is documentation. Since you're "on the ground" there in Oz, you might want to try to find such references. Just a couple of newspaper or magazine articles about the pair, or Mike himself, is sufficient (see Notability (people) for more details).

As an aside, where are you in Australia? I'm in the US; my Dad's Aussie, my mom's Texan, so I've got dual citizenship, but I've yet to visit Australia. My great-grandfather, John Radecki was a rather notable artist there, and if you're in NSW, I could use a little hand with a non-wikipedia research project. Akradecki 17:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Akradecki

In Melbourne and currently mind-bogglingly tired.

Would jpegs of mike's platinum and gold disks do? They're sitting on the wall above me.

One of the nicest online articles about Mike and Michelle - www.nypress.com/16/22/music/dustbin.cfm (New York Press)

Most of Mike's major achievement occurred before the internet was born.

As for multiple entries, I mistakenly thought the idea was to have linked pages but it would of course work fine to have 1 page covering all of Mike's incarnations.

I was about to Wikify the article when I spotted that it had been nailed so should I do that and then send it to you for further checking (just as a word doc or similar?) As for press clippings we have loads would scans be sufficient and where should they be sent?

So sad that the wonderful world of Wiki is so stuffed up by idiots knowledge should shared freely. Thanks for contributing to making it so.

Now I really must get some sleep.

Kindest Regards

Di

ps if I can help with your Aussie research I'll be happy too. I have an academic artist friend in NSW if that the area of expertise you need


 * Hi Di, hope you get the sleep you need...know what you mean about exhaustion...just finally recoved from such a thing myself, too many hours spend getting our medevac helicopter back up and running. Anyway, a jpg of the records would be a nice addition, more on that later. Don't really need scans of the reviews for the article itself, just ref info (publication, date, author name, article name; standard citation fare). However, for my own information, as material to help in the writing, I'd like to read a few of the best, they can be emailed to me at akradecki at yahoo dot com.


 * MS word not necessary. We can build it on my sandbox page, and here it'll be free from any issues of deletion before it's completed. Feel free, once you're rested, to drop whatever text you want under the Mike Jackson header, above the UAV header.


 * As for my research, at the moment I'm trying to do two things: document all the surviving Radecki windows, as well as those by my great-uncle, Arthur Benfield. Two, get ahold of some hi-res, non-copyright-restricted jpgs of the Radecki windows at the Mitchel Library and at the Commonwealth Bank building, both for my family history use and to illustrate the WP article on Radecki.


 * Thanks! Akradecki 19:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)