User talk:Mlaffs/Archives/2009/April

KBDN
Heh, I went to update all the pointers for KBDN (FM) after creating the article at KBDN only to find that somebody had already done it. Fast work. Thanks! - Dravecky (talk) 05:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Philadelphia Phillies radio network
There is no reason that disambiguation pages should not have incoming links. Don't change to a redlink unless you're going to create the article; it doesn't help anything. KV5 ( Talk  •  Phils ) 11:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is every reason that disambiguation pages should not have incoming links — in fact, they almost never should (see WP:DAB). There is an entire WikiProject devoted to ensuring that incoming links to disambiguation links are cleaned up. Linking to a disambiguation page from this article doesn't provide a reader with any useful information about the station, whereas leaving the redlink in place is both a helpful cue to active editors that the article about this station doesn't yet exist and could be created and also ensures that the link will point to the correct place once the article does exist. If you don't believe me, I'd suggest that you could ask at either of the disambiguation or radio station project talk pages, and you'll get the same advice. Mlaffs (talk) 16:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, fine, but if you are going to change it, could you refrain from changing the format of the list just to satisfy the dablink requirement? KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 16:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I can absolutely do that — consistency is important, and I shouldn't have messed with an established format. I see that there are a couple of other dabs that need cleaning in that page — some to actual articles and some to redlinks — so I'll make sure to be careful about sticking to whatever the style of the page is. In fact, I'll even go one better for you. There are a number of folks who are regular creators of radio station articles, and some of them are actually working through a list of all the missing articles to knock them off one by one; I'll put the word out to a couple of them and see if they can't throw these redlinks up to the top of their list.
 * In return, I hope you don't mind a friendly suggestion. You might want to consider moving the '-AM' portion of the call sign column so that it's included in the frequency column instead, e.g., 1210 AM. I suggest that because while some FM radio stations have '-FM' as part of their official call signs (and some TV stations have '-TV'), AM radio stations in the U.S. never have a call sign that ends in '-AM'. There is no such station as WPHT-AM, for example; it's just WPHT. So, while having the '-AM' for every station gives a consistent style, it's not accurate. But if you don't want to change the way it is now, I promise, I won't mess with it.
 * Happy editing! Mlaffs (talk) 19:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea that I will look at implementing. You obviously know more about radio than I do... I just like baseball and lists. I can make that one of my weeknight projects next week. Cheers! KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 20:07, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You might get a kick out of this — I went back to the article to clean the other couple of dabs that I'd noticed, and I saw that the radio station you had listed for Allentown (WKAP) was a redlink. When I checked it, I found that it was outdated, and that the station is now known as WSAN. Seemed odd for a new article to have old information, so I followed the link to the Phillies website that you'd cited as a reference. Sure enough, it had the old call sign for the station too. I dropped a line to the website, and they changed it the next day! Phillies broadcasting manager wrote back to say that he still calls the station by the old name, and that the station had never written them to complain. Mlaffs (talk) 03:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Well done. KV5  ( Talk  •  Phils ) 18:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

WADL-TV
Hey there — regarding your recent move of this article, I was just wondering if there's somewhere that you can point me to on the FCC's website that references that the call sign has changed. Everything I can find still shows the station as being named WADL, so if there's somewhere for recent changes that you've found that I'm missing, it'd be really helpful for me going forward. Thanks, Mlaffs (talk) 12:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I just thought it looked weird as WADL (TV) instead of the standard title WADL-TV. But if I was wrong and the callsign is officially just "WADL", please revert my move. TomCat4680 (talk) 12:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem — I just wanted to check, as I didn't want to assume I knew the only source for referencing this stuff. Agreed that WADL (TV) looks weird, but it's necessary because of the disambiguation page that's already at the WADL name. You'll probably see lots of other articles named that way on your travels too, whether it's XXXX (AM), XXXX (FM), or XXXX (TV). Mlaffs (talk) 12:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)



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WWII
I replied on User talk:Nick-D as well. I was watching his page. Vchimpanzee ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Lists
I notice that you edited User:RussBot/Talk page redirects report/01 -- that's fine, this is one that I'm working on myself, but your help is greatly appreciated. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of moving this project to Talk page redirects, where you and everyone else will be more than welcome to hack away at the backlog. ;-)  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, that was a total fluke. I read about this new task for your bot in the Signpost, and a day or so later I happened to be cleaning up incoming links to a dab page and saw a link to that page as one of them. Don't like leaving stuff unfixed when I run into it, so I took care of it, but I think it's a great project. BTW, you might be interested to know that JaGa and I worked out a tweak to that Articles with links to disambiguation pages toolserver report. I set up Category:Articles with intentional disambig links, a hidden category that can be added to articles like the tropical storm one, and each time he runs the report, he's filtering out any articles that are included in that category. Makes it a bit more useful, I think. Mlaffs (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: KAMU
It was just a judgment call due to it being there for months. Category:Articles to be split has a backlog. I was trying to clean up the backlog & If you think the article still needs to be split. Please update the date for 2009. Thanks--  Michael  (Talk) 20:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Question for Ya and an Idea
Just out of curiousity, why do you remove the bluelinks from the radio station disambig pages? It isn't it better to link to the cities that stations are in?

My idea...why not link to the frequency pages (ie: 99.9 FM) in the disambig pages. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • April 14, 2009 @ 05:06


 * Partly for consistency with all the other dab pages that I (and Dravecky before me) have been cleaning up. Main reason though is that the style guidelines at WP:DAB prescribe that each entry on a dab page should have no more than one blue link. If the article exists, the blue link should be to the article; if it doesn't, then something else that can provide context for the red link should be linked (I usually default to city of license in those cases). Mlaffs (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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Your BOTREQ
...has been completed (see reply there). Post under that with queries / comments / etc. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7 minutes, people! Yes, that's that done. If only I'd noticed your reply earlier. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Alas, I'm in a public library now, but should get this done later today. Your making perfect sense - albeit in a rather verbose way compared to programmer-to-programmer conversations which tend to be more than a little brusque, but that's no bad thing. So, working on it, basically. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 07:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Just check the new inverse box to get it working. Example. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 14:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, and it works for me. From testing a few, it appears to be finding the cases where the talk page exists but isn't in the category because the project tag hasn't been added. I haven't seen any cases yet where the talk page isn't in the category because it hasn't even been created yet (and, ergo, hasn't been tagged); will it find those using the inverse box too? Mlaffs (talk) 16:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, let me think about that. Probably not (*goes away to tinker*). - Jarry1250 (t, c) 16:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dang, looks like that would pretty much kill the server to try to compute properly. You can always use AWB in pre-parse mode though. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was afraid of that. Unfortunately, AWB isn't an option for me. Most of my time on here is at home, where I'm on a Mac. That's okay, though — this is pretty helpful as is, and filling in some of the gaps is better than filling in none of them, so thanks again. This is really nifty stuff! Mlaffs (talk) 20:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Jarry, I'm getting "Page not found (404)" for your link above. Is it broken? PC78 (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. Fixed now. Just had an exact / in it. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

CHYK
Linking to a redirect instead of to the proper title distorts the article's "What links here" list — for example, if 40 articles link to the main title, but 120 articles link to a redirect, "What links here" counts all 160 articles as being "less than 50" because only 40 of them are direct links. It may seem not worth the effort to change it, but there's no important reason to privilege the redirect over the direct link either. Bearcat (talk) 03:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

KLFF, etc.
Thanks. I didn't have a clue where to look that info up. I just figured that the article (minimally sourced that it is) would probably be more reliable than a list. Thanks for updating the articles, too. :-) -- Will scrlt ( →“¡¿Talk?!” ) 12:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You know, that'd ordinarily be a reasonable assumption. However, since I spent the winter cleaning up the entries on all of those frequency disambiguation pages, they're ironically probably more accurate than some of the articles! Don't know whether this article was set up wrong in the first place or whether the station has moved their license, but it's good that it's right now. Mlaffs (talk) 12:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I shouldn't really be modifying areas where I have no knowledge, but I figured that one set of changes would be safe. Silly me. :-) I'm glad you're on the ball. Thanks for catching it. Keep up the good work! -- Will scrlt ( →“¡¿Talk?!” ) 12:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing U.S. radio station articles‎
Right now I am bored outta my skull at the moment and looking for something to do. Is there anywhere on your list in particular I should start or just dive in? -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • April 19, 2009 @ 23:39
 * Well, you could start anywhere, but I'd be inclined to look for any of the ones that have been disambiguated with either the '(AM)' or '(FM)'. They'll all fill in redlinks on disambiguation pages, and some of them may even allow for a dab to be replaced with a simple hatnote on the radio station article. I'm happy to clean up behind you if you want me to — just throw a note up here and let me know which articles you create. Alternatively, you could start at KA and work south or WZ and work north. There's also a list of articles at the bottom that have already been created, but that are missing an infobox. Lots of ways to go! Have fun! Mlaffs (talk) 23:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to let me know where the redlink disambig pages are as I work along, I can add that to my list. Right now, I want something to do, but I don't want to work on my own To-Do list after coming off a year and a half project with that.  I will dive in and start creating. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • April 19, 2009 @ 23:53

RE: KHJA-LP
I found it on the KHJ (AM) page and they have a website at khjfm.com. I have come across them a couple times on the internet before. I wasn't aware they didn't have a license. Sorry about that. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 00:31
 * It took some tracking down, but KHJA-LP is now KGBZ-LP. Moved from 102.1 FM to 102.5 FM.  Now sure what the station plays now (it was oldies with KHJ (AM) liners before).  Still no page for the station.  I will update the "missing stations" page. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 05:53

RE: KHJA-LP
I found it on the KHJ (AM) page and they have a website at khjfm.com. I have come across them a couple times on the internet before. I wasn't aware they didn't have a license. Sorry about that. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 00:31
 * It took some tracking down, but KHJA-LP is now KGBZ-LP. Moved from 102.1 FM to 102.5 FM.  Now sure what the station plays now (it was oldies with KHJ (AM) liners before).  Still no page for the station.  I will update the "missing stations" page. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 05:53

Need Some Advice
I have run into a problem. There is an Australian radio station called "WA FM" and it is located on WAFM. There is a US radio station with the call sign WAFM as well. What do I do? My idea at the moment is to move the Aussie WAFM to WAFM (Australia) and move the US "WAFM" to WAFM (FM) and make WAFM a disambig. Sound cool, or so I do something else? -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 01:50
 * I don't think you'll be able to use WAFM (FM) for the U.S. station, because the Australian one is on the FM band too. I think you'll need to use WAFM (Australia) for the existing one, and WAFM (United States) for the U.S. one. I can't believe I missed this when I was doing my clean-up. There's another situation similar to this, but I can't remember what it is. Mlaffs (talk) 01:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Moved, created and updated. Thanks! -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 02:43

WA's
Created 13 of them tonight and will start up again on them tomorrow. Was knocking 'em out pretty quick. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • April 20, 2009 @ 04:06
 * Finished off the WA's, the rest are redirects. Should I delete those too or leave them be? -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • April 22, 2009 @ 04:53
 * Wicked! Please leave the redirects — they're mostly situations where it looks to me (or Dravecky) like there's enough local activity or history to create an actual article, rather than just having the redirect to Air 1 or K-LOVE or whatever. A few are situations where the redirect is clearly wrong, but it would take creating an article to fix it. Mlaffs (talk) 05:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OKie Dokie...works for me. I will work on the WB's tomorrow.  Take Care... NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • April 22, 2009 @ 05:26

CKCK
I initially thought the same as you, but I've been perusing the CRTC license for the Harvard/Craig megaswap — it specifically says that The Commission is approving this transaction on the basis that the assets of CKCK will then be sold to Rawlco Communications (Sask.) Limited (see Decision CRTC 2001-740, also issued today). I'll rewrite the paragraph about the transfer to make that a bit clearer. Bearcat (talk) 16:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I clicked through that reference and found a Public Notice issued at the same time that gives a nice overview of the whole transaction. I've added it as a reference as well. Nice work! Mlaffs (talk) 19:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)