User talk:Mmorgil

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Hello. You left this message on my talk page:

''I'm editing this for some time, but all my edits are being deleted. I can't understand the reason. Can the users who edit it discuss with me please? thanks.''

You forgot to mention the name of the article, though :) - Badseed 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Tripoli
Thanks for your comment. This gives me the chance to explain many things concerning Tripoli (or Tripolitsa, if u prefer). Fistly, the fact that greek nationalistic websites claim a massacre of the turkish population by the greek rebels, is a reason not to include it here (if we were about to include what such sites claim, Wikipedia would be much much different-in the worst way!). Kolokotronis (and Makrygiannis as well) wrote their experience from the War of Independence, in modern greek (demotiki) with much of novelistic and poetic characteristics. u can't take as absolutely true every single thing that is in his scripts. I have heard turkish people saying that "the rivers was floated with the blood of Turks" bla bla bla... Not that in am denying that Turks died in the city... Of course they did.... there was a siege, as we all know. However, the Turks (muslims, since the term was synonymous that time) were never the majority in the Peloponnese. The Peloponnese was overwhelming Greek, and according to Ottoman (not Greek) sources, the Turks numbered 20,000 souls in the beginning of the war (1821). Tripoli was a small town that time. so, if u exclude the turks living in other places of the peloponnese, those who died during the first 2 years of the revolution, those who fled the area in order to find a safer environment, what is left was merely some thousands, consisting more or less, of the guard of the ottoman officials in Tripoli. In addition, u'll have to exclude those who were saved by greek civilians (in the same way that some greeks were saved by turkish civilians in asia minor 1 century later). so, what is left? can some deaths of mostly soldiers been considered a "massacre"? And i really do not like words like "the Greeks massacred all the Turks, including children and women", "rivers of blood", "horses that could not move cause of turkish corpses"... If such sentences exist in turkish school-books, it's not my problem, but they cannot be added here! Lastly, the link u added as "see also" was red... Furthermore, u added the turkish name, which is just a curruption of the original greek, about a city that was not founded, nor ruled for the most reriod, nor the turks were in the majority... All it was, was a small turkish minority for about 3 centuries (why don't u add the greek name in the lead of Istanbul? surely the Greeks have 1,000s more reasons to have the name 'Constantinoupolis' there...). --Hectorian 18:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

observation
Hey, Mmorgil, what you hinding filo mou and editing out contributions? Kalimera (hope my greek is ok) GoWestBeFree 12:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

New name or without name? GoWestBeFree 13:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Genocide in Peloponnese
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Second that, and yes, it got deleted. But I have to add: the text at the internet site quoted is a scanned text from a book by Salahi R. Sonyel. So, why did you during the AfD discussion claim that you were the author? Or does "creator" with you have the meaning of "copy-paster"? You claimed this after two users commented that the text had been scanned (which, of course, also implied it was a copy vio). --Pan Gerwazy 13:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

"Massacre"
Hi. Firstly, were did i wrote that Turks of Morea had been repatriated by the treaty of Lausanne? U are mistaken, cause i did not say it. The sites u showed me, apart from not been academic, do not even support your claims! The first is an article of Wikipedia, in which u added your pov... do not present your edits as "proof" of historic facts. btw, wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources for other wikipedia articles. the second one is from Bouboulina's museum. There is no referenses about which historian said this (if anyone has)-presenting to me a greek site, won't make me believe that u are right... As in every nation, also among the greeks there are also nationalists, willing to exagerrated on everything. The third site is an article written by a member of 'fortunecity', for crying out loud! u call it 'a source'? so, lets see: the armed garisson of 9 thousands (id est Turks) and further down Among the Turks was Hursit's harems, but also there were eminent Greeks who were kept as hostages, although few of them survived (the harems survived, as the sources u support claim. but the Greek hostages did not-u know who saved the harems (Bouboulina) and who killed the hostages (Hursit)...). then it goes on saying About 15000 turks were slaughtered (note 1: 9,000 Tripolis' garison, note 2: how many were the Ottoman militants who gathered there from other places of the Peloponnese, since Tripolis was the last to fall on greek hands? note 3: 9,000+unknown number of soldiers=? where there any civilians dead? we know for sure that the harems and their children were saved... additional note: the harems were made up of greek slave girls, as this was the practice-why do u count them among the Turks?). Later on about Kolokotronis: ''Later somebody showed him the plane tree were the turks were hanging the rayas. 'Who knows how many of my clan have benn hanged om this tree?' ''. A revolution against the persecutor, against the conquer, that is what it was.

When u had vandalized that subpage of mine, u wondered why "half" (huh?) of Greece has turkish surnames. the answer is simple: the surnames in greece are mainly former nicknames. the surnames were listed after the greek war of independance, since before that time, the only thing that the ottoman rulers cared about was to greedily collect taxes. that's why they called the greeks by nicknames they invented. no archives existed regarding how the greeks called themselves. and those that had existed for centuries had been burnt down. other greeks changed their surenames out of fear to be murdered (e.g. former Greek president Costis Stephanopoulos and former Clinton's advisor George Stephanopoulos have their paternal roots to the only surviving child of the last Comnenian Emperor of Trapezount (his name was Stephanos)... Trying to hide their roots from their authorities to escape death, my friend... If u don't believe me and u think that this reflects turkish origins (lol), then, i guess u believe that José Sócrates, the Portuguese PM is Greek (he has a greek surname, right?). also, Angela Merkel is Greek too (cause she has a greek first name)... BTW, is Ahmet Necdet Sezer non-Turk? his last name is Latin (Caesar)... LOL

As for the songs, i do not know turkish, so i have no idea of what your songs say and of what they are about. maybe u can search for it... it is none of my interests. Regards Hectorian 13:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * U may ask your fellow turkish wikipedians if i am hostile to the Turks... I have talked with many of them and in a very possitive and calm way. i think i have made them understand me true feelings: i have nothing against the people of Turkey. said it a thousand times and i will continue to do so. Politics and generals and Greay Wolves are things seperated in mind mind by the vast majority of the Turks. apparently, u disagree on that... so, it is pointless to reply on your comments... Hmmm, maybe just on one of them (the one that made u angry...lol): everyone with basic knowledge of linguistics can invent a folk etymology, look: Karamanlis: ancient greek word 'kara' (κάρα=head, attested in Homer, Sophocles, Aeschylus, etc)+english word 'man'+li (chinese surname)+s (the last letter in every greek male name). enjoy some pseudo-science!(i did enjoy yours, btw...) Bye Hectorian 16:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * U have no idea of what u are talking about... Can't see any reason for the discussion to continue... Hectorian 20:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

City names
Please stop taking out city names from articles, this is a common practice in Wikipedia. See Delhi and Tashkent --AW 21:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * (Posted by Mmorigil on AW's talk page - "I apologize for what I do. But there is a greek-political intention by adding greek names to turkish cities. Meanwhile neither greek wikipedian allows the oppositive, I mean adding turkish names to greek cities. I'll continue to do so." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmorgil (talk • contribs)
 * You can't break the rules just because someone else is --AW 21:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

(to Mmorgil) If you continue to do this without discussing, however, it becomes disruptive. Please stop--and try to work out your grievances on talk pages instead. Thanks. Khoikhoi 21:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please stop doing this, again. --AW 19:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from editing. Khoikhoi 22:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Saddam Hussein
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Selam
I've moved your question to Hectorian to his talk page. Please place comments there instead of his userpage from now on. Thanks, Khoikhoi 15:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

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