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Sorry about the article, I'd suggest involving yourself in some other cool areas of Wikipedia. Regards, alpha Chimp  laudare 07:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

How to keep an article from being deleted
I've found that the best thing to do is to add to the article itself with an eye on showing why the subject is important. The notability guidelines are used more to impress on people the fact that a subject is unimportant than anything else. Subjects aren't usually important because they are widely reported, but for some other reason. In this case, presumably, the everythingCU.com is important because it does X for its clients, it is larger than its competators in doing X, its employees are frequently invited to give well attended workshops about Y and Z, etc. It also helps to be able to link to other organizations that you work closely with that have WP pages. So if you can say EverythingCU.com's clients include X, Y, and Z, linking to their page, then you have something. If it is funded largely by federal grants including V and W, you have another thing that looks nice. Not that those will establish natability for sure, but they can help. If you find that maybe its not notable enough to satisfy yet, you can also use a user subpage as a staging area to create and continue to modify a draft. Once you feel like what you have is strong, you can contact the person who nominated the article for deletion and the admin who closed the delete and ask if the new draft might better fit WPs purposes.

One thing to keep in mind is that WP tends to cut out what it percieves as marketdroidspeek. (see here for an example). Editors cut it in their minds when they read it, too, so things like "welcome to join", "extensive and wide-ranging [conversations]" don't add to the feeling that an article belongs, while giving an honest, verifiable assesment of the inclusiveness of the organization and of the usefullness of the conversations to CU's would better add to the article. Since much of the site is members only, this verifiability criterion is trickier. For this reason I fear that your article is in trouble, at least until your group is profiled in an independent trade magazine which fills in some of these blanks in a way that WP editors like (as opposed to merely saying the right things in the "about us" section of the web page).

Anyway, the real argument for including an article should take place in the article itself, the AFD page is for pointing to aspects of the article which show that it does or does not belong. You will notice that a mention of the Alexa rating is "for those interested" and is not mentioned in the relevent notability guideline. Some care, but a good article is more important than a high rating. I don't have much expirience writing about web pages or companies, so I don't have much more advice than this. However, if you would like some help writing an article about this or any company, a good place to start is to ask for help from members who have expirience (including those who have writted in articles about CUs), or by going to the talk page of a relevant Wikiproject such as here or especially by looking here. However, sometimes doing this while an article is listed AFD is seen as a desperate cry to save an article and is in bad taste. I think in this case, a short, honestly worded question at either WikiProject would be acceptable (speaking of, there ought to be a project on banking, credit, and CUs (hint, hint)). Smmurphy(Talk) 15:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you, Smmurphy, for your excellent insights. I would LOVE to head up a wikipedia project on Credit Unions and flesh out the information and history of this unique industry/movement. I will check out what I need to do to head up such a project, or if you have some more helpful hints as to how I would go about getting started with that, then I will be happy to hear them. Thank you again! I appreciate it! --Mmpartee 12:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats great. For now, you should go over the suggestions at WP:PJ.  If you lose your article about EverythingCU.com, having a wikiproject to go along with the article will give it a better shot if you ever want to have it "undeleted".  After you've read about heading a WikiProject, you can get started.  After tomorrow, I'm moving, so I might not be around for a couple weeks.  You can ask any questions you have here, or at places like the Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance) or to any of numerous helpful users, including Alphachimp.  Keep working.  Also, be bold, make knew articles and additions.  If you aren't sure if a subject deserves an article, go ahead and try, we have plenty of space, and the deletion process is fairly good and usually not too unfair.  Good luck. Smmurphy(Talk) 22:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Credit Unions
Thanks for the helpful edits you are providing to the Credit Union article. It's one of my areas of interest, so let me know if you need help on any CU related articles. Dubc0724 16:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am so happy to be of service! I've been very closely tied to this industry for 10 years now, and have grown to know and love it. There is so much work to be done for credit unions right now, for the industry in general, and in additing to the Wiki info about it. After reviewing the guidelines for starting a project WP:PJ, I don't think that's really something that is appropriate at this point, but I will definitely work on a few articles. I'm thrilled that I got to start the Edward Filene article! I will start the Dora Maxwell article soon if someone doesn't beat me to it! Also, I am in Massachusetts (the state in which CUs started in the U.S.!), and am about a two-hour drive from America's Credit Union Museum in New Hampshire. I think I will contact them soon!--Mmpartee 15:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I see you're back again, and I thought you'd like to know that the article on Edward Filene you started (and that I recently expanded) was featured in 'Did you know' a few days ago.

It's good to work with you!Brett epic 21:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Very happy to help with credit union related things; I am a U.S. credit union lawyer. Mikel1777 (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC).

Good to meet you!
Hi there, this is Phil (PKirlin) -- you remarked about the O's and UMass and softball on my page. Always good to meet another O's fan, we need all we can get right now, and our numbers are especially limited in Red Sox country! And if you have anything to add to the B&O warehouse article, obviously go right ahead...I didn't have much to mention when I started it. PKirlin 03:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

UMassWiki
Hello, I see you've made some edits to the University of Massachusetts Amherst article. Did you know there's an entire wiki devoted to UMass at umasswiki.com? Please stop by and make some edits or add articles! We've been around over a year and are serving up to 90,000 pages a month, but we could really use more good editors. :) --Neurophyre(talk) 09:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Credit Unions (again)
Thank you for your contributions to the credit union article. I hope that you intend to continue editing here on wikipedia. I think the credit union article would be improved with a section on their history. There is a wikipedia project that has identified credit unions as being an article of high importance. I hope that you are able to help out. Likewise, if you need assistance with any articles, please let me know. Gobonobo T C 06:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Credit Union History
Hi Morris. My name is Brett Matthews, a Canadian credit unionist. I'm quite new to wikipedia and don't have a lot of time for it, but have contributed a few articles like the Antigonish Movement and Moses Coady and added the Canadian bits to the credit union article. I have some issues with the credit union article -- it doesn't really discuss what credit unions are (in the economic/social/historical sense).

Anyway, before realizing you were working on an article about CU history I posted a beginning of one myself. It is internationalist and focuses on why credit unions are useful to people. It is far from finished and I'd love it if we can cooperate together. It's not linked to anything yet, but you can find it at credit union history. My next project on it is to link it to the dozens of credit union pioneers who are up on wiki already (not just Filene and Desjardins and Coady but people like Italian prime minister Luigi Luzzatti and the Banca Popolare di Milano he founded. I'm also working on an article on my favourite US credit union pioneer -- Roy Bergengren.

Anyway thought I'd introduce myself. Happy editing! Brett epic 05:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

'Modern' Credit Unions
Hi Morris. Recently you qualified the history section in the credit union article by saying that 'modern' credit unions were started by Raiffeisen. What do you mean by this? Could you give examples of credit unions that are pre-Raiffeisen? I'd be most interested!Brett epic (talk) 04:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Morriss. In their wisdom the 'experts' in our movement date credit unions to Raiffeisen, but I agree with you that many other arrangements that are very similar were around long before him, and are still alive and thriving in many parts of the developing world.  Personally, I believe our movement should be more engaged with these, and be working to link them to local credit unions.  I've written one entry on wiki that relates to this (see ROSCA, but it's a big topic that has room for quite at bit of future expansion ...Brett epic (talk) 04:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Credit Union Museum
Hi Morriss. Thanks for your note and invitation. It's good to see the article on the museum in Manchester. I hope to get there sometime and see it! There's a nice (if small) credit union museum in the home of Alphonse Desjardins in Levi, Quebec. It would be great to meet up sometime. I spend much of my time in the developing world (I'm in Guwahati right now) but I do get back to Toronto. In the credit union system we have really neglected our history, and our view of the world could be much richer if we were more open to it. I notice you haven't joined the WikiProject on cooperatives. It could use your skills!Brett epic (talk) 06:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

EverythingCU.com
Sorry to say this, but EverythingCU.com has been nominated for deletion again, as it doesn't seem the previous issues were resolved. Please see Articles for deletion/EverythingCU.com (2nd nomination). --- RockMFR 15:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Morriss. I hope you get out of the woods this time, but you're going to need to do something to strengthen the article if you want it to survive long-term.  It is currently short and I can see why some people don't consider it notable.  I relied in defending the article rather heavily on this clause in the Wiki guidelines "the discussion should focus not only on whether notability is established in the article, but on what the probability is that notability could be established. If it is likely that independent sources could be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate unless active effort has been made to find these sources. For articles of unclear notability, deletion should be a last resort."  The work of this business in facilitating international learning and exchanges, which is noted in one of the articles in the external links, could be highlighted.  Tangible examples of how the technical features (like the LinkedIn functionality) have been used to advance the industry, could be noted. Statistics on number of users by number of credit unions, number of countries etc. (and collective assets) represented could be cited.  Major decisions that have emerged from meetings, conferences or on-line discussions could be cited.  You should try to tell the story, or this will happen again!Brett epic (talk) 05:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Try not to make edit summaries like this one, okay? Tan  |   39  20:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good god, I clicked on the wrong talk page. I sincerely apologize - just trying to resolve an AIV report. Sorry again - Tan   |   39  20:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

A Profitable Intervention
Hi Morris. Thanks for your intervention over the weekend vis. the case of slander on the credit union talk page (or, as the perpetrator who is a lawyer doubtless correctly asserts, the case of libel). Your comments lowered the temperature considerably and a certain amount of sanity seems to have been restored to the talk page.Brett epic (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Credit Union Executives Society
A tag has been placed on Credit Union Executives Society, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information.

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 * Hi Morriss, I've restored the article and moved it to User:Mmpartee/Credit Union Executives Society. Do what you like with it there, and move it back to the proper title when you've finished. I can't do much now because it's nearly midnight down under and I need some sleep soon. Graham 87 15:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Morriss, it sounds a bit self-promotional to me. I can't quite put my finger on it ... maybe it doesn't need all those examples of instuitutions it works with. Also you will need at least two reliable independent sources before moving it back ... they don't have to be online. Graham 87 03:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: A CU needs help
Hey Morriss! The look around shows that it was an employee with an obviously pomotional name who was editing, thus violating WP:COI and they had no other edited so they were viewed as an WP:SPA. See Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard for that discussion. There also seem to have been plenty of warnings and even some offers for help on the talk page. Things have been compounded by the first block review request there, but the second doesn't seem to have been reviewed yet. It looks like the block on the IP address is an account creation block. Can they edit anonymously? The best way is usually to approach the actual admin who did the block, in this case Cirt. I would be willing to ask for the block to be reviewed and offer to adopt our new wikipedian to get her through the first steps of this. If she's willing to work with me on the how-to and whether it will pass another deletion, I'd be glad to do so.  Jim Miller  See me 18:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Questions from a Newby
Thanks for the edit — I like it. Shouldn't I keep the NCUA.org website as a reference to the stats listed? The NCUA is one of the best and most reliable resources for that info. Esther's article is a great story in itself! I like the statement that "she's proudest of helping people find ways to save money..." It speaks to the credit union philosophy of "People Helping People." Is what I currently have enough to post to the live site or would it best to add more? Thanks! DonnaKP (talk) 19:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Your Assistance Needed
Good morning Morriss! Hope your trip went well. When you have a moment, could you please review my sandbox with the content that I have so far? I'm having issues with displaying the references properly. Could you tell me how to do it right? Thanks! DonnaKP (talk) 14:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Firstmark is Live!
Hi Morriss! Just wanted to let you know that Firstmark Credit Union page is live! As I told Jim, I am going to leave the page alone for a while to see what happens. I think I have more than enough credible references that I shouldn't have any problems this time, but you never know. You're probably tired of hearing it, but thank you for your support! You're awesome!!! DonnaKP (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of America's Credit Union Museum


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