User talk:Mo ainm/Archives/2011/November

Warrenpoint ambush
Hey, Mo! Good call on removing the flags from the infobox at this article. National flags seem inappropriate on these articles, where the armed conflict involves a non-state actor such as PIRA. I'll be following your lead on similar articles. Ivor Stoughton (talk) 19:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

The Ballad of Boot Hill
"The Ballad of Boot Hill" is a major song that needs expansion with its own page. It is not just off the Sings the Ballads of the True West album. It originally came out in 1959 as an EP and later appeared on other Johnny Cash albums including Best Of compilations. I don't think the album page covers any of this. In addition, I have some picture sleeve and 45 images for the song I want to upload. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carl savich (talk • contribs)
 * That doesn't answer my question. Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

GoodDay and IP being accused of being my sock,

 * I'm sorry, I retired but I could not help noticing the user that Callil blocked after multiple obvious false allegations by GoodDay, it is impossible for one editor to actually use all those IP addresses (I pointed that out to him/her), some of th admins here know nothing of IP addressing. I was also actually also wrongfuly blockd by BlackKite for GoodDay's false accusations of me being a sock, and it is this behaviour by admins led me to more or less abandon wikipdia, the fact that nothing has been done to deter GoodDay from disruptive and intentional inflammatory and provocative behaviour is astounding. GoodDay will probably start a witch-hunt now, calling me a sockpuppet/master, I am guessing whatver I did/do is being scutinizedSheodred (talk) 00:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

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How could i of been adding my "own opinion" it was a known fact that Gerry adams was unsympathetic towards Mountbatten. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 19:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Known fact where? You could argue if you were so inclined that when he was saying "I think it is unfortunate that anyone has to be killed..." he was being sympathetic but that too would be an opinion. Mo ainm  ~Talk  19:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Not really, Saying things like this; taken from his quote;

"The IRA gave clear reasons for the execution. What the IRA did to him is what Mountbatten had been doing all his life to other people; and with his war record I don't think he could have objected to dying in what was clearly a war situation. He knew the danger involved in coming to this country. In my opinion, the IRA achieved its objective: people started paying attention to what was happening in Ireland."

You cant really be more unsympathetic than that, it doesnt matter if he said i think its unfortunate that anyone has to be killed its like murdering someone on the spot then saying sorry before you finish them off. It doesnt work, Also the fact that Mountbatten was sympathetic to the Irish and actually wanted a united ireland (although thats as likely as pakistan merging with india or vice versa but unfortunately the IRA havent worked that out.) shows how cruel and how vile the IRA actually are and calling his murder "an objective" seals it. By 1979 he was an old man who had fought and commanded troops for the salvation of this country, and arguably the world from Nazi/facist tyranny, it was a rather ironic reward that he was murdered by a gang of thugs. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 19:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So he is justifying the military action carried out by the IRA and the remaining part of your post here shows that you are not looking at this from a neutral point of view. Mo ainm  ~Talk  19:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Even in warfare they have rules Hague Convention Genova Convention for instance. He was an unarmed civilian posing no threat, murder is murder as thathcer said in the house of commons, and for once she was actually right. Also vandalism is interpreted in the user and it basicially means anything unwanted and your notice, while it may be the right thing to do for a new user was unessarially in my case and my edit wasnt really a matter of opinion as i expressed before it was a fact, but if you truely believe your right then i wont argue. Fair play. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 20:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So are you committing vandalism now? Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

No. I was responding to your question and agreeing with you. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 20:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * According to your understanding of vandalism you are because you claim vandalism "...basicially means anything unwanted... How are you to know I wanted to hear from you? All rhetorical of course as I was curious how you thought your edit was wrote from a NPOV so welcomed a response. Now you have shown in your comments that it clearly wasn't with your use of words such as "murdered", "thugs", "cruel" and "vile". For what it is worth I'm fairly sure Adams wasn't sympathetic to Mountbatten but that is just my opinion.   Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Another user gave me the same response when i posted something on his wall and he reverted it as vandalism and i posted again and... wait for it i was very nearly banned. I didnt add any of those words to that article i just said that on your talkpage and it is cruel that an unarmed elderly man must be murdered by what is nothing more than a thuggish gang, Any human would see that. Also why are you now agreeing me yet you reverted my edit under neutrality? Its the same as political correctness, for example in the UK today you have to be so politically correct around "coloured" people but the fact that your calling them that alienates them anyway and besides what about white people? Where are there rights? Ridiculous IMO but i guess thats life. (: User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 21:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well that user was wrong he should read WP:VANDAL, having said that users are perfectly entitled to remove anything from their talk page but it would be considered edit warring to revert its removal. Also you say "...cruel that an unarmed elderly man must be murdered..." do you say the same of the people of Hamburg (42,600 civilians) killed/murdered or Dresden (25,000 civilians) killed/murdered during WW2. All innocent civilians. And as to why I reverted simply because my opinion is irrelevant to the article. Mo ainm  ~Talk  21:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Well in my case i posted a question on a users page and he reverteed it as vandalism and i posted it again and i got into a revert war and i was nearly banned, (I have been banned before that) Also, even though its completely off topic - thats an interesting debacle you bring up, although the situations are different.

Two big differences is that Britain wasnt at war with Ireland as it was with Nazi germany; and World War II was no normal war and they probably will be no war like it; it was a state of Total War and actually Hamburg and Dresden were major industrial targets, supplying guns and bombs for the third reich; and the germans bombed the british hard, and even today nearly 70 years later we are still ripplying the effects, and actually my godmother who is 91 survived the Blitz (and later the V1/V2 rockets) and had her house blown to the ground, litrelly.

As arthur harris put it, how will we fight back in a state of total war? Afterall we were fighing for the freedom of others while the IRA claim they are fighting for freedom for themselves and for ireland but really if you look at the eveidence N.ireland is a protestant majority and it always has been in recent times and as thus it is part of britain which is a majority protestant while the latter catholic. As i pointed out a simular case is India and Pakistan. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 22:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A war is a war can't pick which ones we think are good or bad. Also what determines a war is it a declaration of war? If so was Iraq a war or Afghanistan? Also NI is a protestant minority in Ireland always was always will be, so do you see everything has another side so we have to write from a NPOV. Mo ainm  ~Talk  22:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes but it wasnt war, as i stated the UK wasnt at war with Ireland, and no it isnt if you have a look at census it shows that the majority is protestant, and it even voted on its indepdenence and voted to stay in the UK as opposed to joining Ireland (which is now under servere finacial trouble so they wouldnt be anything to gain by joining ireland anyway.) User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 22:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * According to you it wasn't a war, your opinion. Others claim it was their opinion. What census are you looking at? Never been a majority protestant population in Ireland. Mo ainm  ~Talk  22:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes it wasnt, if it was without a doubt the UK forces would of in the long run thrown aside Irelands rather puny armed services. But it wasnt like that and actually UK-Irish relatons are generally pretty good as you probably are aware the queen even visited there recently and the UK leant Ireland a lot of money to help out with its debt problem. Those are all facts, as i say you are entitled to your opinion but not fact, afterall a fact is fact whether we like it or not. Ayway i have to go so if you wish ill reply again tomorrow. thanks anyway. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 23:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Why must religion always come into it? There are nationalist Protestants and unionist Catholics as well you know ffs. On no Protestant majority in Ireland ever - true, but only because the Penal Laws were poorly enforced and the Church of Ireland voting to prevent the preeching of the bible in Irish. Mabuska (talk) 11:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Who are you directing that comment at? Mo ainm  ~Talk  11:24, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * At you'ns both. Mabuska (talk) 16:40, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was responding to the issue of religion that was brought up by Goldblooded, it is never an issue as far as I am concerned and actually I couldn't give a fiddlers about someones religion. If they are silly enough to believe in that stuff then that's their own problem. Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary i agree my friend, they have been past and present (and most probably future!) catholics who were or are unionists those who to spring to mind are, the journalist Stan Gebler Davies a top historian Richard Doherty and the Irish/Australian general John Hackett (British Army officer) whom i know someone who was close freinds with. User:Goldblooded (Talk/Discuss)(Complain) 21:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

C. S. Lewis
I was actually gonna revert, myself. Holy smokers, you're quick. GoodDay (talk) 22:50, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm the one who removed British from the Lewis article's intro, as well as Irish & British from the infobox. Please, if you're gonna continue to attack/slander me - atleast be more accurate. GoodDay (talk) 20:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Only because you were removing Irish, how many English, Welsh, Scottish, American have you removed? And don't be an idiot with your slander comments. Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:22, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't make an across the board deletion. We gotta start with the bios that have the most disputes. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * All talk, your just a troll start with the articles that get you no attention would be no fun for you would it? Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You're just being a dick by seeking a fight with me. Keep your snide comments about me or my motives off main space 'or' report me at ANI. GoodDay (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That day is coming, when your troll behaviour will be brought up in an RfC by numerous editors. Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, thanks for the 1RR reminder, at O'Toole. GoodDay (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. Mo ainm  ~Talk  20:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mo I dont know the proceedure here, is another editor allowed to remove your comments from a disscussion page , other than that of a user page of thier own ?Murry1975 (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up, editors can't remove other editors legitimate comments. Mo ainm  ~Talk  18:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Peter O'Toole
That's is the 2nd time, you've accused me of campaigning to get rid of Irish from such article intros. If you're gonna ABF, atleast keep it out of your edit-summaries, as it's breaching WP:HARASSMENT. -- GoodDay (talk) 18:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a campaign look at your edits. and have a read of the link you posted with emphasis on this section WP:AOHA. Mo ainm  ~Talk  18:21, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm a patient editor & have no intentions of dragging you to ANI or anywhere's else, in order to stop your hounding of me. Right now, you're only hurting your self. GoodDay (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Drag away, prove that I am harassing you I dare you. Mo ainm  ~Talk  18:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I said, you're merely hurting yourself. GoodDay (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You have accused me know of hounding and harassment now back it up at ANI or shut up about it. Mo ainm  ~Talk  18:41, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies for any perceived personal attacks. However, in my opinion you are harassing Good Day. I'm going to take a Wikibreak. I think you would do well to do the same. Yworo (talk) 18:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Accepted but when a qualifier is added lacks a bit of sincerity. Mo ainm  ~Talk  19:10, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess I could say the same about qualified acceptance. :-) Yworo (talk) 01:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Alexandre8 blanking
Sorry, that was a Twinkle malfunction as far as I can see. Thanks for the notice. --Xijky (talk) 12:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. Mo ainm  ~Talk  12:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Why have you taken issue with a UKip member, ie myself, correcting the Ukip page on Wikipedia?

I apologise if I have stepped on any toes, but Ukip are a libertarian party, and civic nationalist, they can not be right wing the ideologies will not go together, Traditional conservatism is centre right, but Ukip have centre left policies too, so that makes them centralist.

Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Englandstruth (talk • contribs) 19:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well to start you should read out policy of editing with a conflict of interest here and also the mass removal of sourced text without an edit summary will usually be reverted and a warning given to the editor, I would advise that you take your concerns to the article talk page. Mo ainm  ~Talk  19:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, but I thought you were here to monitor disambiguation, by allowing articles to be driven by a singular view is not doing that. If the public are to be allowed to put stuff up it should be verifiable, the Ukip website is verifiable enough policy wise. Centralist, not right wing.

I read the talk page and it seems they are citing singular views on there too, there is no difference in the articles or books, written by left wing professors who thing anything that is not labour or liberal democrat is right wing. They even think the Conservatives, which British media call Blue labour, are right wing. I will go to the talk page and see what I can do.

But if it can not be changed as they do not agree, you will have an non article up as there are disputed and proven misdirections within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Englandstruth (talk • contribs)