User talk:Moe Epsilon/Archive 21

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Your b-day reply
Hey! No problem, it is your special day and you deserve it! Randfan 00:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No Prob
It is your special day, someone needs to do it, Semper Fi is my personal motto-- †hε þяínce öf ɒhaямa Talk to Me 00:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Mr Moe. :) I hope I'm not too late in wishing you a very happy day. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Tell that to the good men who just lost their lives. Semper Fi! Hope your birthday was a good one. Well Drawn   Charli  e  18:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Very kind of you. I know I can be a noodge about giving people the benefit of the doubt and arguing for 'positive reinforcement' over blocks. I really appreciate your seeing the value in that or in my efforts in spite of that. :] --CBD 11:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Guidel
"Guidelines aren't debatable unless you want to change them"

I know you know better than this. Guidelines are just guidelines, they aren't policy. A guidelines which says "as a last resort..." isn't reason to move an article from a location where it hs been stable for years. If we undid everything that conflicted with the MoS or some other guideline, we'd have to delete half of Wikipedia and change the other half. Guettarda 01:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

RFA
Moe, It doesn't matter. I'll nominate you as a New Year gift on 2007. Stay surprised!

PS. I'd like to be more active on the community side of things after being mainly concerned with article and maintainence. What do you think is a good start, a good way to engage actively in discussions?? -- ¿¡Exir  Kamalabadi?! Join Esperanza! 12:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Mets
No, he hasn't admitted his mistake. And that's the problem. He insists that it was nothing more than an difference of opinion, and that there is no reason why he should listen to someone who is "just his equal". He has a string of egregious actions He is clearly unsuited to be an admin. His actions violate policy, they violate community norms. A new admin is likely to be ignorant of these things - which is why you need to find things out before you act. Irresponsible admins act first and figure things out later. It isn't good, but there are lots of people who work like that. That's still ok, if you are willing to correct your mistakes when they are pointed out to you. Mets has done nothing of the sort, and based on his latest email, to which I was responding, he has no intention of doing anything of the sort.
 * His "close" of an RM in which he ignored a series of votes. While he may be within his "rights" to throw out votes, he isn't within his rights to simply pretend that opinions were not cast.  He also seems to think that it's ok to insult his fellow editors with imperious remarks.  He claims the issue is a "difference of opinion".  If someone thinks that the difference between facts and fantasy are a "difference of opinion" then they have no right to be in a position of authority anywhere (except maybe in the Bush government).
 * His threats to Jooler were abusive. Mets was the one who was doing what the claimed Jooler was doing.  His block was doubly abusive - not only was he blocking for a non-existent violation, he was also blocking an editor in the middle of a dispute.  He has not apologised to Jooler, he has not acknowledged these violations, he has not indicated that he will not block in violation of policy in the future.
 * When I informed him of his mistake, he refused to correct his mistake. If someone tells you that you have made a mistaken block, and you really don't know what the policy is, you unblock and find out what the policy actually is.  You don't reply petulantly, you don't say "too bad, screw you".

I have no idea why you have taken it upon yourself to defend such egregious behaviour. As his defender, you should be setting him straight, not harrassing me. I simply replied to his "wrong and strong" message to me. He shouldn't have gotten past RFA. That's painfully obvious. If you want to be his defender, try to get a commitment from him to stop violating policy. You know better. I really didn't expect this kind of bullshit from you. Guettarda 20:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This is the kind of behaviour you are defending? Guettarda 01:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Colour
Nice design, but...is there any chance you could make the background slightly lighter, so that the text is readable on most screens? colr.org is a good site for colour codes. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 23:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I basically have to highlight it to see the text too. — Mets 501 (talk) 02:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't "have to change it", I would just recommend it. It's not impossible to read it, just very difficult.  Perhaps make the text white and keep the background color? — Mets 501  (talk) 02:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks great now! Tons easier to read! — Mets 501  (talk) 03:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ditto! Very easy to read now. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 08:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Request a move help
Moe Epsilon wrote:


 * Hi Gurch. I was wondering if you could perform a move for me. It's located at Economy (activity) needing to be moved to Economy. I was closing a less than active discussion on the issue and when I went to move it, I was unable to. Could you please move this for me? Thanks! semper fi —  Moe  04:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Done – Gurch 05:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Semper Fi
I noticed your note on the wiki admin boards signed with "Semper Fi". Just wanted to give a shout out to a 'fellow Marine'. I was in the Corps from 1987-1994 when I transferred into the Army Reserve/Guard and am coming up on my "20" soon. Rarelibra 14:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Official myspace links
I note you removed a link to Kathryn Holloway MySpace page. We reciently had a discussion about this on Wikipedia talk:External links and the consensus was strongly in favor of keeping MySpace links when they are the article subject MySpace page. --Salix alba (talk) 00:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is An article about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to that entity's official site, if there is one. --Salix alba (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award
Congratulations, Moe Epsilon, you have been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Contest! The judges have received the fifteen entries, and are ready to start judging. The judges will take a week to complete the judging process, and they will contact all the participants when the judging is done.

Please drop by the contest page for contest updates and questions. Take care, and good luck! Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 09:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Weatherman5000
You are correct, but as an involved party I will not block him myself. I have no doubt the another admin will agree with us and block him within the hour. – ClockworkSoul 21:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Redvers has blocked him for 3 months. I have no doubt that it will soon become an indefinite block. – ClockworkSoul 21:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the community has a little tolerance for people like him, for obvious reasons. If he had done the same thing to another editor, I probably would have blocked indefinitely without looking back. – ClockworkSoul 21:11, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, it takes alot more than a guy with a short fuse to ruin my day. :) I have a pretty thick skin. – ClockworkSoul 21:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Link to the Past
No problem about the comments on my talk page. I just wanted to stop the conversation before it got "out of hand" of sorts. That and I would rather not listen to him complain about this. -- Ned Scott 01:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin?
I've seen your edits everywhere and I have noticed that you are very nice. Have you considered running for admin?--Arjun 01:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Crisis Core move
This is just to let you know that I am reverting your move of Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- to Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII based on the fact that the former is how Square Enix renders the title in all official sources (see here and here). The colon seems to only appear in unofficial sources like IGN and Gamespot. Axem Titanium 17:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Axem Titanium 18:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

APY revert
Hi Moe - why the revert on the APY redirect? There is a specific page on Annual Percentage Yeild. G.hartig 05:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

stub-meta-history
I have been watching the dumps, so enwiki-20041104-stub-meta-history is downloading, currently at 21%, with 65 hours remaining. For some reason it's transferring at 10k, perhaps the server has been throttled. Rich Farmbrough, 12:43 6 November 2006 (GMT).

WWE roster table
Looks good Moe. I like it. I think I should be brought up to the WikiProject first though, just so there won't be any headaches after implimenting the table. -- James  Duggan  19:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Your proposed deletions of FareCompare and Morten Lund
This is a friendly reminder to be sure, when proposing an article for deletion using prod to include a reason in the tag, by adding [REASON]. Also, please make sure the reason you give is explicit about your concern regarding the article. Thanks! Kavadi carrier 09:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Inshanee's talk page
If your removal of text from your talk page is disruptive, it is forbidden. But that aside, I recognize your concern, which is why I didn't revert lttp's text back the second time, instead leaving a message explaining why I thought he should respond to the text he kept removing. Further, as it is not your talk page, you had no right whatsoever to remove my message from Inshanee's page. Have a nice day. --tjstrf Now on editor review! 17:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Additionally, this link shows that he is only concerned about keeping comments that he dislikes off of his talk page, rather than believing people should be able to do so. If he doesn't think it's okay to remove comments from another person's talk page, he shouldn't do it on his own.
 * Additionally, sorry for starting a fight over Danny Phantom characters. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello again
You say you are going to wait until you get huge support, but IMO if you ran now it would be unanimous decision to let you become an administrator, take care Moe and Semper Fi.--Arjun 22:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well than, good luck.--Arjun 01:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Bush 43
Hi, I saw this edit. George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. One of the shorthand ways to distinguish between him and his father is to say "Bush 41" and "Bush 43". But it's way too informal to use like that in an article; you were right to change it. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  05:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I sent a note to the owner of the broken bot that just reinstated "Bush(43)". -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  05:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * "The bot must have been fixing the links the same time I changes the link and it must have reverted me."

If the edits were only a minute apart, sure...but you changed that "Bush(43)" reference 9 minutes before the bot bumbled through the article. Also, if you read through the bot owner's talk page, you can see several other complaints that the bot edited the wrong version of a page. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  05:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for signing that post for me. I didn't want to use ~ because that just added my IP address. I didn't know about the en:User:Jim Douglas trick. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  05:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * (if I could rudely butt in) That bot might need to get shut off. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 06:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There is an Administrator shutoff button. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  06:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My bad; I thought it was making lots of errors; this one wasn't too bad. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 06:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In a quick scan, I didn't see any other errors. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs)  06:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Saddam Hussein is semi-protected. When pywikipediabot tries to update protected pages, it first tries to get "edit page" to find out the permission. Web caching could make it worse. I don't know about the time lag. If it happens again, please fill bug report in the pywikipedia program. Other bot operators also use the program. -- ChongDae 06:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

re:WP:AN/I SPUI
In response to your post: I think everyone is fully aware he can be banned in any area he disrupts and that any admin can impose this. I think the issue now is: should he be banned throughout the entire community of Wikipedia. Can I ask, has the ArbCom made any decision regarding a indef block if he is persistantly disruptive? It's becoming increasingly obvious that he is only here to disrupt now. While I would like to see him continue editing positively, he hasn't done so in the last month without getting a block for his edits. (I stand corrected he just made two edits without getting blocked). I would start and RFAr on this, but I'm not sure it would be accepted, or that it would just be an extention of the previous RFAr on SPUI/highways. Another issue regarding any block SPUI recieves is that he has so many followers and friends that anything he does, even ArbCom violations, admins unblock because it's SPUI. As I quote on admin from the above discussion I linked
 * Oppose community ban. He is hardly contributing and not really a problem now. If he is indefblocked for something he has recently done, I will unblock him after a reasonable amount of time.

This is becoming an increasing strain on everyone as it seems that he could get away with anything and eventually get unblocked because of his mass of friends. As you can see by his block log there has been many times where editors have attempted to give him long (maybe a week or so) blocks and they end up being 5 hours because of an AN or AN/i discussion saying that SPUI deserves a shorter block, in spite of him deserving the block. Admins now are not willing to give SPUI a long block, simply because they know it will get overturned shortly. Is there no policy regarding admins unblocking because of this, because this seems highly unfair. As I stated on WP:AN/I, I am willing to give SPUI another chance and am willing to work with him outside Wikipedia to improve his behavior, but what if it never improves? SPUI will never get indefblocked because of his seemingly invincible status. semper fi — Moe  04:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

If an administrator, acting under an arbitration remedy, bans or blocks someone, that should not be overturned by another administrator. If they do, it is serious offense, wheelwarring at the least. But someone needs to call them on it. Fred Bauder 12:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Hi Moe Epsilon, I am very thankful to you for supporting my succesful RfA. Shyam ( T / C ) 06:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Template for sprotect
I'm not sure I agree that this is a good template; I think the wording on the current one could just be tweaked a bit. Current sprotected: My proposed version: What do you think of this proposed change?? Let me know on my talk page. --SunStar Net 00:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Your statement
Hi Moe, this is Konstable. We've met, I've undeleted all your user and talk pages after you've returned, remember? Your RfAr statement is lacking a lot of accuracy, apart from the magical autoblock that you've striken already. I suggest you keep out of an issue you know nothing about. If you do want to continue, go ahead, but I just find it rather bizare that someone lodges such accusations against me when everything on Wikipedia is logged and can be proven false. I won't bother correcting all of them as that would mean I have to look for diffs and people are already screaming disruption for every edit I make (Regarding you and others telling me to leave, would you just drop and leave if people spit you in the face and told you that you were a vandal and a troll? Even if you had no intention of returning, would you allow people to tarnish your image and make your 000s of contribs seem worthless because of something that has never happened? )--Konst.ableTalk 12:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

(Oh the easiest accusation: Meanwhile he made non-sense edits on his userspace like typing "ZOMG FUCK SEX FUCK SEX" (diffs deleted) -  this simply has never happened)

Thanks for your input!
Thank you for taking part in my RfA. The RfA was not successful, mostly because I did a pretty bad job of presenting myself. I'll run again sometime in the next few months, in the hopes that some will reconsider.

In the meantime, one of the projects I'm working on is A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook. This is a wikibook how-to guide intended to help new administrators learn the ropes, as well as to simply "demystify" what adminship entails. If you are an administrator, please help out with writing it, particularly on the technical aspects of the tools. Both administrators and non-administrators are welcome to help link in and sort all of the various policies regarding the use of these tools on wikipedia in particular (as well as other projects: for example, I have almost no experience with how things work on wiktionary or wikinews). Users who are neither familiar with policy or the sysop tools could be of great help by asking questions about anything that's unclear. The goal is to get everything together in one place, with a narrative form designed to anticipate the reader's next question.

A second project, related but not entailed, is a book on wikimedia in general, with a history of how various policies evolved over time, interesting trivia (e.g., what the heck was "wikimoney" about?), and a history of how the wikimedia foundation itself came about and the larger issues that occurred during its history (such as the infamous "Spanish Fork").

Again, thanks for your input on the RfA, and thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide for the handbook. -- SB_Johnny |talk|books 14:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Templates
I made the necessary changes to Sprotected template here:
 * User:SunStar Net/Templates/Sprotect2

It looks a lot better than the original does! --SunStar Net 16:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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Dalbury's RfA
My RfA passed with a tally of 71/1/0. Thank you very much for your support. I hope that my performance as an admin will not disappoint you. Please let me know if you see me doing anything inappropriate. -- <b style="color:navy;">Donald Albury</b> 10:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Konstable
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Konstable. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Konstable/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Konstable/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Srik e it (Talk 05:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Your thoughts on this?
A discussion here: Talk:Survivor_Series_%282006%29 needs to be clarified. The basics of it: some people don't want champions listed for tag matches and/or elimination matches that don't involve the title, while others wanted it listed. My stand on the matter is they should be listed. In a tag match or elimination match or whatever match it might be, it's obvious the title isn't on the line (unless stated in a special stipulation). There is no reason to ignore their championship status, just because the title isn't on the line. Non-title matches still list them as champions, tag matches are in theory non-title matches as well. I made this same post on the pro wrestling project talk page about it, and I'm hoping to get others to respond. RobJ1981 00:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Release Lillywhite Recordings Campaign
Hi,

How are you?

I am proposing that the following article: Release Lillywhite Recordings Campaign be deleted. There is no proof that this campaign led to the recording of Busted Stuff, or was acknowledged by the DMB or RCA people. While the campaign was mentioned in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, I don't think that is grounds enough to have a separate article. Please comment on the Talk page. Thanks. Milchama 17:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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Ummm...
still faill to see? <font color="#FFFF51" style="background:#535353;"> Glen  05:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Its Young Kitten a page blanking vandal, and he's created 10 socks today alone . Why so curious? <font color="#FFFF51" style="background:#535353;"> Glen  05:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Want to help with this task?
Professional wrestling promotion is in need of major cleanup. I think the page should describe promotions in general: how a promotion is run, agents, owners, backstage and so on. The page currently has a small description, followed by a huge list of promotions. In the huge list is many redlinks and non-notable promotions (I've went through it recently and did some cleaning though). I've yet to see a list page of promotions, so perhaps one could be made? On it, notable big promotions (WWF/E, WCW, TNA and so on), plus notable indy feds, and that's all I see that is needed (since Wikipedia isn't a guide to every promotion ever, but many editors have turned the professional wrestling promotion page into a place to spam and list any and every promotion it seems). Any suggestions? RobJ1981 07:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, promotions in Category:Professional wrestling promotions should be gone through a bit and checked for notability. I've went through some in the past, and started going through it again recently. 172 pages, 15 sub categories for it... seems a bit much to me. There is obvious promotions that should stay, then the not so obvious.. such as UK promotions and indy promotions (which I don't know alot about). Many non-notable could be moved (if they aren't already in it) to a wrestling Wiki. I will do alot more for it tomorrow as well. RobJ1981 08:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * List of professional wrestling promotions should be the new article for this task. One page does the job, doesn't it? Otherwise the list page could always branch out if needed, but in my opinion it doesn't. USA, Canada, England, Mexico and Japan are the countries with the most promotions, but one article can serve that well I would imagine. According to country and if it's inactive or active is how I think it should be setup. Active promotions at the top, inactive at the bottom. Sources will be needed, so people don't mark it as listcruft. Obsessed with Wrestling and other sites are usually reliable. RobJ1981 17:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I started the page, it's just a copy and paste as a start. If I did just from scratch, it could be speedied in my opinion... since it would small. I don't have much time before I leave for Thanksgiving lunch. Feel free to add some, as I can do much more once I get back. It needs more sources, I added just Obsessed with Wrestling. RobJ1981 17:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So we don't have to go back and forth between two talk pages, I've created a talk page post at the new article of List of professional wrestling promotions. On a side note, I almost won 200 dollars TWICE on a lottery ticket. It was done in tic tac toe style, and I needed one X or one O, and I would've won 200 dollars. It was only a $1 ticket! That ticks me off. So close, but so far. RobJ1981 23:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * All promotions that are just links should be gone as well, good catch. I forgot about those promotions on the huge list. RobJ1981 18:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think the initials for each promotion help or not. It's clear what the initials of each promotion is, by the name.. so it's not helping much listing initials for all promotions. What do you think? The promotions by country categories are a good idea, I would probably just go with Mexico, Japan, USA, United Kingdom and Canada at this point. Speaking of Canada, do you know alot about the current version of Stampede? If you look through it's cat, alot of people in Stampede (past and present) have the Stampede roster category in their articles. An accurate roster article needs to be made, as per how WWE, TNA and other promotions rosters are setup as articles... not just a category full of each article for the wrestlers. RobJ1981 18:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks much neater now, good job. Now we need to probably go through many of the promotions and find sources. I've put unsourced tags on several of the promotions pages I wasn't completly sure of (and ones that had no links on it, and so on). RobJ1981 00:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The table format works good, hopefully people can edit it well... without people have to fix it everytime. I've seen tables get messed with many times on other articles, but I think this is the best option for the page and makes it neater. RobJ1981 04:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Barry (playwright)
Done. Looks like a double redirect in there. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Highboy Lane
It was deleted by Glen S before I had submited the tag, so I ended up remaking the page (The deletion log) ShakingSpirit <sup style="color:#000000;">talk  21:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

List of professional wrestling stables and tag teams
List of professional wrestling stables and tag teams. Cluttered listcruft. A rename to just stables would be much better, seeing as there is too many teams throughout the history of wrestling. Even just the notable ones would flood the article. A tag team and stable are clearly two different things, this list makes it sound like they are the same. Tag team = 2 wrestlers with (or without a manager). Stable = several wrestlers with (or without a manager). I've tried to maintain the list somewhat, but I've come to realize it's a huge mess that needs a new name and re-organizing. A TNA teams and stables list wouldn't be so bad, but then people would want a WWE one (which would be insanely too long), so that's out. Any ideas you can give me, so I can start on it? This is just a heads up for when you have time. If I have some suggestions, I can start on it at least.RobJ1981 06:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No response? Maybe you forgot to read this. RobJ1981 23:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

RE: Sprotect2
My bad. I haven't heard of sprotect2 before. I thought it just removed itself or something. I didn't see the little lock logo in the upper right corner. Again, my bad. Blacklist 02:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not know how to put in a request for protection. Could you tell me how. Thank you. User: Big Boss 0
 * I have put it on the request for protection page. could you check and see if I did it right. Thank you for your help. User: Big Boss 0
 * Once again thank you for your help. Check out my user page sometime and leave a comment or 2 on how to improve it. But Please do not edit it.User: Big Boss 0

Congratulations!!!!
You have recieved the Big Boss award for aiding me. This is my special way of thanking those for their help. I am new to wikipedia and I will take all of the help that I can get!!! Thank you!! User: Big Boss 0

Once again thank you for the help! I now can award you with the actual trophy!!! User: Big Boss 0

Proposal
I know you told me not to comment here, but please hear me out.

The arbitration case has gone beyond having any value. I have long given up my +sysop, and the case was accepted to hear whether I need to go through RfA again - but I do not oppose that, I was assuming that would be the case when I gave up my +sysop, and I have no intention of going back to being an admin (even if I do return here). Now the problem with AltUser was over more than 3 weeks ago when the account was blocked and unblock request deleted. Sure as hell I won't be repeating that again, and this is not an ongoing problem now is it?

About Ryushort, I don't even know what to say, I know you think it is me, but even so Ryulong himself does not care (and does not want this arbitration case) and it is clear from my off-wiki conversations with him that he holds no grudge against me.

Now there is no open issue here, is there a point in getting the ArbCom to spend time going over a dead case? This case has wasted enough time already, why don't we just decide to put it to rest? --Konstable II 13:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/United Wrestling Association
Hello Moe (good to see you around). The AfD on United Wrestling Association has concluded without consensus. I'm letting you know as you had indicated a willingness to help clean up the article. Best, Mackensen (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)