User talk:Moisejp/Archive 3

"Like a Rolling Stone" PR
Glad to help and glad that you found my peer review comments helpful. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

KQED
Hi Moisejp, hope all is well with you. I have a DVD of the KQED press conference: Dylan Speaks: The Legendary 1965 Press Conference in San Francisco, Eagle Media Release, A Division of Eagle Rock Entertainment, 2006. In vision, you can clearly see Dylan is laughing when he says "I want to needle them." So there is documentary proof! I'm not sure what the best way to cite this is? What do you think? best Mick gold (talk) 00:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, Thanks for your suggestion, I've kept ref to Cott book of interviews as I'm happy to show that transcript of KQED press conference has been published. It's a treasure trove of good Dylan quotes. Hope this ref clarifies things. Mick gold (talk) 01:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Bob Dylan Newsletter
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Re:Greatest 500 Albums
You're in luck, I do happen to have a copy of the book. Here is the publishing info:

And, here are the page numbers for all Dylan albums, so you can update the refs for them. It's important to note that the rankings in the book are a bit different than those in the online list, because some of the greatest hits albums were eliminated for the book. I'll include their book ranking as well.


 * Blonde on Blonde - #9, pg. 26
 * Blood on the Tracks - #16, pg. 35
 * Bringing it all back home - #31, pg. 51
 * Desire - #173, pg. 143
 * Freewheelin' Bob Dylan - #98, pg. 100
 * Highway 61 Revisited - #4, pg. 17
 * John Wesley Harding - #297, pg. 181
 * Love and Theft - #459, pg. 210
 * Time Out of Mind - #404, pg. 202

Good luck with the FAC. -- Scorpion 0422  15:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Freewheelin' FA
Congratulations everyone—FW was promoted ! - I.M.S. (talk) 20:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations, Moisejp, is there nothing we cannot achieve? The answer my friend is....:) Mick gold (talk) 17:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Revert
Hi Moisejp; I believe that "work" is the proper parameter in this case. Per Template:Cite web:


 * Work: If this item is part of a larger "work", such as a book, periodical or website, write the name of that work. Do not italicize; the software will do so automatically.
 * Publisher: Publisher, if any—for example if the website is hosted by a government service, educational institution, or company. (The publisher is not usually the name of the website, that is usually the work).

Great work so far on TBT - it's really coming along! Regards, - I.M.S. (talk) 23:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
- I.M.S. (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

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Mr Tambourine Man
Hi Moisejp, thanks for your friendly note. I'm not sure how much time I'll have to contribute ideas to MTM, but I can see a lot of improvements have been made. I had a quick go at improving the lead, bcs I thought it was a bit awkward. I think having (see 1965 in music) in opening sentence of lead is not a great idea stylistically. I don't think any FA does that. I did post a query on the Talk page about listing Footnotes and References: I also suggested some critical commentary I thought was interesting, maybe it could be used. best wishes Mick gold (talk) 18:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Moisejp, a footnote to TBT. On Jann Wenner's website you can hear extracts from the 1969 interview with Dylan that Wenner recorded. Dylan speaks with extraordinary slowness and reluctance about the changes that the 1966 accident led to. Fascinating. Mick gold (talk) 07:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Basement Tapes
The article The Basement Tapes you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:The Basement Tapes for things which need to be addressed. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 15:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Moisejp, Thanks for your comments. Sorry if you're feeling tired. I'm OK but the FAC is quite tiring, not just the time to research & write the stuff, but it is tiring emotionally & mentally. I think our effort is not going too badly. I don't have ideas to add about songs such as Reuben Remus & Yazoo. I think they are minor songs & their entries accurately reflect that. Obviously I've mined Gill, Hoskyns, Griffin, et al but I would not add anything just because Indopug & Kitchen roll suggest it. (Kitchen roll is 16 years old!) I'll look again at our sources but I feel it has to be worth adding. Your piece of Helm was a useful addition. I have some sympathy with WesleyDodds when he said the article needed compacting. I would like to shorten it a bit.

I'll mention the Iachetta para once more. I think the first extract from Iachetta does convey Dylan nursing some kind of grievance which is important. But the 2nd extract feels more like Dylan blah to me. If you read the New compositions section, it works well without that para imho, and there are many Dylan quotes in this article. Best wishes Mick gold (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've trimmed Iachetta, and the Richard Williams quote. I was not aware of the Acapulco story, it sounds interesting, if you can write it with a cite. Acapulco is not on GWW (but then only 7 BT songs were on GWW []), nor was it on the 14 song demo. In the movie I'm Not There, Jim James & Calexico perform the song in a sequence which is a kind of reification of the BT world. I can't write this up unless I find a source, though I did publish a long essay on I'm Not There in Isis [] which spelt all this out, maybe I'll cite that. Courage mes enfants! Mick gold (talk) 22:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Moisejp, I discovered Robertson's explanation of the origin and meaning of Yazoo Street in Bowman's notes for Big Pink. I think this is a useful addition - explaining what Robertson was trying to achieve with his style of song-writing. So Yazoo Street is now one of the longer entries. Do you think Helm saying that Manuel became his favourite drummer is still crucial? Maybe you added it in an attempt to beef up the length of Yazoo Street? I wonder what you think of length of Yazoo Street now? thanks Mick gold (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I guess we're gradually getting from this to that  Mick gold (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Moisejp, I've trimmed Smith. He is only mentioned in "Down In The Flood" as the source of a couple of lines from an old blues. I think Marcus's book on The Basement Tapes was incredibly influential. I see references to this thing called "the old weird America" in many areas of cultural criticism. (I was talking to a friend who works in cultural studies yesterday, who said he got 2 or 3 applications a year from students who want to do a PhD on Harry Smith. This is in London!) So I think it's worth spelling out how TBT led Marcus to bring Smith back into 21st century cultural studies in a big way. Before Marcus's book, almost no one thought Smith was a big deal in the world of music. Mick gold (talk) 08:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Dylan's '66 World Tour Dates
Hello, Moisejp. You seem to be pretty well-off in terms of Bob Dylan, so I thought I might ask you a couple of questions about his '66 World Tour. Under the section "Tour Dates" on the aforementioned page, there are a whole bunch of unreferenced dates, seemingly coming from the tour. I don't have very many resources to verify these; I mainly use Bjorner's Still on the Road when it comes to this information. But if you could send me a book title, website URL, et cetera, that might help me verify these dates, it would be much appreciated, as I am currently trying to clean this page up a bit. Thanks! The Gates of Eden (Talkin' Gates of Eden Blues) July 18, 2010, 8:50 PM

Quotation marks and punctuation
I'm no fan of our "logical quotation" style, but it is what it is, and it would be very inconsistent to place commas outside the quote marks for actual quotations but inside for titles. And the fact is, the Manual of Style does specifically make clear that titles are covered by the rule at the beginning of the quotation marks subsection: "The term quotation in the material below also includes other uses of quotation marks such as those for titles of songs, chapters, episodes, unattributable aphorisms, literal strings, 'scare-quoted' passages, and constructed examples."

By the way, terrific progress on the article in the last few days. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Auf Wiedersehen
Moisejp, Thanks for all your splendid work on TBT. Like you, I think article has been greatly improved by DCGeist & other editors. If you're off on some trip, enjoy yourself. Otherwise take care & we'll see you soon on Talk pages. Mick gold (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Tapes
Thanks for your note. Aside from the couple relatively small things I just noted in the FAC thread, I don't think I have anything else. It's looking in great shape as far I'm concerned. I'm hoping Ceoil or some outside party will read through it all now to make sure everything holds together for them. Hopefully, by the time you return, it'll have that star. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Tambourine Man refs change over
Hi Moisejp! Just to let you know that there's a discussion going on at the MTM talk page about whether or not it's still necessary to continue changing the refs over to the new style. It would be good if you could add your two pence worth. Thanks. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 10:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Basement Tapes query
Hi Moisejp, nice to hear from you. I think your query re "Yazoo Street" is where did I get "but since it was set in the South, it seemed natural for Helm to take over" from? I have the 2000 Capitol Records "Remasters" re-release of Music From Big Pink. There are no page numbers on booklet, but on penultimate page of booklet (page before the one where Bowman signs his name and there is a repro of Rolling Stone cover, 24 Aug 1968, with picture of The Band), Bowman writes: "There is also an earlier version of Yazoo Street Scandal where Robbie is singing the lead vocal but given that the song was set in the south, it seemed only natural for Levon to take over the vocal chores when he was back in the fold." This comes immediately after para where Bowman quotes Robertson saying "I thought, 'Wow, they don't have streets like that in Canada. There's no streets up there called Yazoo!' It was like, 'Jesus, let me make up a little story here about stuff going on in this kind of almost red light district.' Everything was lit in red in that song for me." Therefore I have moved the Bowman ref to after the point about Helm taking over lead vocal, since Bowman is source of both this point and the Robertson quote. Hope this answers your query. Mick gold (talk) 08:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure! Go right ahead. Thanks - Mick gold (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See comment . Best, Mick gold (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * FAC suggestion Mick gold (talk) 16:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Chronicles reply. Mick gold (talk) 06:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Recuse means SandyGeorgia is removing herself from the judging process. Definition of Recuse: (1) to disqualify (oneself) as judge in a particular case (2) to remove oneself from participation to avoid a conflict of interest. You should try not to panic. We have 3 votes of 'Support'. These things are decided on consensus. We should wait & find out what other editors think, what Dan Geist thinks. Mick gold (talk) 22:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I favour "List of Basement Tapes songs (1975)". You can respond to my proposal. Mick gold (talk) 06:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Bob Dylan image
I thought it was wonderful that somebody had at last found an iconic picture from the iconic era of Mr Z, but you have removed it, I'm sure you have good and valid reasons, not sure if I know what they are. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explanation, I knew there would be a good one, even if I didn't see it! Real shame though. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Bjorner
Hi Moisejp, I relied to your query about Bjorner here. I thought it was time I congratulated you, it was back in December 2007 that you suggested cleaning up The Basement Tapes article, and finally nearly 3 years later, we've taken it to FA. I found process  quite exhausting, not just intellectually looking up cites and getting formats right, but also emotionally. I'm sure you did too. I'm not planning on starting another major FA drive right now, I might recover and do smaller things for a while. Anyway, well done & keep on keepin' on. Mick gold (talk) 17:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Pedro II of Brazil
Hi, Moisejp. You've made comments in Pedro Álvares Cabral's FAC. He was a 16th Century Portuguese navigator. The problem is that you made comments about Pedro II of Brazil, a 19th Century Brazilian Emperor. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 13:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

H61R, LARS
Moisejp, well done on starting work on H61R. I've joined in a bit. I re-wrote some of the section on recording LARS because our Featured Aricle on LARS, backed by Marcus's book, makes clear that Kooper only attended on 2nd session on 16th. I've also changed Marcus's LARS book to 2005 when it was published (as proof see this Guardian review ) but I have introduced some gremlin, so the footnote for 'Marcus 2005' now points to the npr website. Help fixing this would be appreciated, best wishes Mick gold (talk) 16:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sorting out Marcus ref mixed up confusion. I certainly remember Marcus's LARS book being published to coincide with 40th anniversary of the hit single's release. Marqusee's review is not favourable, and I can see his point. I've registered my agreement with the point you've made about FW outtakes. Best Mick gold (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing Marcus's LARS, happy new year Mick gold (talk) 15:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Record Collector
Hi Moisejp, hope you are well. I wanted to consult you on best way to reference Sean Egan's article which is described here as a way to improve our work on H61R. best Mick gold (talk) 16:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing ref. Things are also busy for me this month (true for most folks, I guess, Christmas, Hanukkah, family, travel, drinking, over-eating). I like the idea of doing H61 gradually and not rushing towards any GA/FA deadlines. all best Mick gold (talk) 10:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Highway 61 comments
Hi, Moisejp. Thanks for moving the reference. I added a comment to the talk page and would like your feedback. As I mentioned, my general assessment is that the article seems in good shape. I do have concerns regarding the writing in places (only a few), primarily in respect to linking general background to its influence on Dylan and the album's story. Besides favoring that approach, I have a prejudice about in-text attributions, that is, direct quotes from sources and "according to's" regarding basic facts; for example, quoting Shelton about culture traveling HW61 and the Mississippi. It's completely different with analyses that offer opinions or insights. To use an exaggerated example to make the point, it would be silly including a quotation that does little more than bring out the fact that the river runs north to south. Instead, such information should be paraphrased and the attribution handled with a citation. BTW, it's great to be back. I missed the collaborations and challenges, though as I'm finding out again, not the addiction, however delicious. Allreet (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Witmark Demos
Good to hear from you. And it is great to be back. Feel free to re-format the Witmark references - and of course, tackle anything else there. I noticed the Harvard style in H61R and like it for both look and ease. The time off was well needed to break the compulsion and deal with life on the home front (all is good). It also provided time to do some free-ranging research, and now return with fresher eyes. I plan to pitch in with H61R and wherever else needed. There's certainly enough to do to keep us busy for years. Looking forward to working together...Allreet (talk) 13:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies is now a Feature article nominee
Hi! Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies has been nominated as possible Featured article. She was an Italian princess and the wife of Emperor Pedro II of Brazil. If're interested on reviewing and voting in favor or not of it, please go to Featured article candidates/Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies/archive1. Kind regards, --Lecen (talk) 13:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Time Out of Mind
Hi, Moisejp. I've been editing the article Time Out of Mind for some time. And recently I requested for a GA review of the article. As an active member of WP:DYLAN, I'd like to know your view on the present standard and scope of other possible improvements of the article. Thanks in advance.--Sayantan m (talk) 06:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your comments. They'll surely help a lot. As of the issue of chart info from austriancharts.com I resolved the problem. The link is working now. The problem of over-usage of quotes was also pointed out by Allreet. I'll work out that and others soon. You and other editors are also welcome to give a hand on the article. And I don't really know why it is called AustrianCharts. But I found the same info on various other websites including hitparade.ch, finnishcharts.com and australian-charts.com.--Sayantan m (talk) 03:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)