User talk:Mojo Hand/Archive 2013

Deletion of American Accent Training Inc
Here are few sources I found of of American Accent Training Inc


 * http://www.americanaccent.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14&Itemid=7

Deletion of American Accent Training Inc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Levine_(musician)

Deletion of

 * http://www.amazon.com/American-Accent-Training-Audio-Traning/dp/1438071655
 * http://esl.about.com/od/englishlearningreviews/a/am_accent.htm
 * http://accentonaccent.us/callcentersworldwide/latinamericancenters.html
 * http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2005/07/11/focus1.html
 * http://theaccentlab.com/product-review-american-accent-training/

I believe the page is deleted mistakenly and it should be restored. There are lot of sources and references present. --Editorkabaap (talk) 05:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * My job was simply to judge the consensus based on the deletion discussion. The consensus appeared fairly clear, and I think the above links were evaluated by the participants.  Looking further at the links, most of them do not appear to be reliable sources, and I cannot say the consensus was incorrect.  The bizjournal article is really the only one that looks like a reliable research source, and that focuses primarily on Ann Cook and her book (I note that we still have articles on both).-- Kubigula (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Michael Uebel
In the course of going through the unassessed list, I put an unreferenced BLP tag on Michael Uebel, an article on an academic and one-time UVA prof that is entirely unreferenced except for a list of his own articles, and one link to a web site associated with him and his theories. User DrSidneyGottlieb (talk • contribs), who has only edited this article, has taken it down three times now, claiming that a BLP article doesn't need references if nothing in the article is subject to challenge, and that he says that is the case. I don't care to get into a shouting match with this guy, or break 3-RR for that matter, so I was hoping you could take a look and possibly say something to him that he won't reject out of hand. Rklear (talk) 21:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Dr. Gottlieb seems to be having second thoughts. Rklear (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Your BLP concern is perfectly valid, and I'm glad the situation appears to have settled down. Let me know if it sparks back up.-- Kubigula (talk) 04:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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Tobata
Thanks for helping to move that page. Azylber (talk) 01:01, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Glad to help!-- Kubigula (talk) 16:21, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
You have helped avert the invention of a new phrase: "Unnecessary War is Hell". Thank you and thank goodness! – S. Rich (talk) 02:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy to avert the horror.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:59, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Terrie Suit
Could you take a look at this article? Special:Contributions/Izzy001, who may be Suit herself, seems obsessed with removing her year of birth from the article, even though it is documented, and adding the fact that she was born on a US Army base, even though that is not. Special:Contributions/Tlsuit made the same changes in April 2010. In the most recent edit summary, Izzy001 accused me of being "some kind of stalker creep" who wanted to make her "a target for ID theft". Rklear (talk) 13:26, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Will do. The concern about the birth date is very odd, given that the date is easily available in her official legislative bio.-- Kubigula (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Norfolk
You might not be familiar with the diaphonemic transcription standard used for English words on Wikipedia, so I'd like to bring you up to speed: we transcribe words in a (somewhat artificial) "dialect-neutral" standard, and one of the more salient details of this is rhoticity: even though many speakers only pronounce an when it's followed by a vowel, we transcribe it anyway, because the others can simply drop it. People from the Tidewater are traditionally nonrhotic, so the /r/-less pronunciation is the expected form. We don't need to clutter the opening of every placename article with needless repetition of predictable local pronunciation variants. I decided to use the pronunciation respelling instead of  in hopes of this being more palatable to the nonrhotic Norfolkians' intuition of it as. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 04:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Will reply on article talk page.-- Kubigula (talk) 17:43, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reversing speedy deletion on Carlisle School District (Arkansas)
I'm creating a database of US governments outside of wikipedia. One of the fields is the wikipedia page for each government. As a courtesy I've created a calculated field that contains the full text of a stubbed wikipedia page in case of red links and adding in the stub. The data is mostly pulled from the US census of governments. To avoid further speedy delete attempts, what do you recommend I add to the stub template? I basically have the name of the government according to the Census, the mailing address, and the web site of the government. TMLutas (talk) 05:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad to help, but I don't have real insight on this subject. I know that creating a lot of stubs is sometimes controversial, but I don't know if there is any recommended practice.  I'll pass this along to User:Dr. Blofeld, as I think he is very experienced with this issue.-- Kubigula (talk) 04:42, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Hartselle City School District
All up for deletion.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  09:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Your HG is acting up
Recently, you an edit. Your edit summary appears to be slightly broken, and doesn't identify the user you reverted to. You might want to check your Huggle configuration, or if you didn't touch anything, let the WP:HG developers know that something broke. -- N Y  Kevin   21:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Very strange - thank you for pointing that out. It only appears to have happened one time, but I will keep an eye out.-- Kubigula (talk) 18:25, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Stephen Holmes
Hallo, after stub-sorting Stephen Holmes (CIA) just now I found there wasn't a dab or primary-topic article at Stephen Holmes... but see that you deleted an article at that name, CSD-A7, in 2010. There are several SHs - I've just added "(politician)" to the one in the template New Hampshire House of Representatives, and another seems to be a political writer, Guggenheim Fellow etc.

Could you let me know whether there's anything in that deleted article which could be useful in any future article? I'd like to disentangle the various name-holders, but before creating a dab at the base name I thought I'd check its history. Thanks. Pam D  11:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Happy to help. I checked the deletion, and I am certain there is nothing there to help you.  The deleted page was an autobiography of a young person who was apparently working on writing his first novel.  Let me know if I can help with anything else.-- Kubigula (talk) 14:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, have now created an article for the political scientist. The earlier one will have been the one mentioned at Talk:Scottsdale! Pam  D  18:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You got it, though I suspect the novel was mostly aspirational. Cheers.-- Kubigula (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Reported
Hello Administrator Kubigula,

I have placed on Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism. Please view for more information. --JustBerry (talk) 14:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There was probably enough vandalism to justify a block at this time, but the IP appears to have stopped after the "final warning" message. We'll see.


 * Thanks for the note.-- Kubigula (talk) 14:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

House of Burgesses
User Jdcrutch took it upon himself to move House of Burgesses to House of Burgesses of Virginia last week. He has no previous history of editing the article. He claims the move is necessary because there were also Houses of Burgesses in Maryland and North Carolina. Before I do something drastic like move the article back, I'm curious what you think. Rklear (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the article should probably go back to the original name. I will centralize conversation on the article talk page.-- Kubigula (talk) 21:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Barracking the Obama
Racist bullshit. Keep slang out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.58.169 (talk) 06:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That is nowhere in the Anilingus article. Nor do I understand how it's racist if it ever was included in the article. The name rimming being in the article has clearly been explained on the Anilingus talk page. You were asked to give specific reasons for your objections other than "No slang" and "No slang, please," but you have not. I'm confused by your lack of vocabulary/communication on this site; if it's a language barrier, okay then. Otherwise... Flyer22 (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure where you picked up the plot, but slang was banned here years ago after the racist tripe of Barracking the Obama took it too far. Go dig through the archives.  No slang, please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.211.108.228 (talk) 07:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, slang is not banned. You need to read and actually comprehend what has been stated to you in the talk page discussion about the name rimming and WP:SLANG. More has also been stated in that discussion with regard to your behavior. Flyer22 (talk) 23:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Sherlock Holmes lives!
I am doing a detective job to find out who wrote the article on the M-Sigma Relation. In it, there is a diagram of velocity dispersion versus galactic central supermassive black hole mass that summarizes the work of many workers over a long time. The authorship of this diagram is attributed only to the author of the article. I would like to cite this diagram and its author in a scientific paper that I am writing. Just referencing Wikipedia is not enough. I need a name. His username is or may have been Msigma, but his user page was deleted by you, the notation said. Do you know anything more about Msigma or about who wrote the article and composed the diagram?

kentgen1 Kentgen1 (talk) 21:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't have personal information about that user. The stuff on his/her userpage was just workspace for the article.  However, it appears the user did have email enabled, so you may be able to reach them by email them.  If you go to User talk:Msigma, your toolbox on the left should include a link to "Email this user".  I think that's your best bet.


 * Good luck.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:07, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Ashton Kutcher vandalism incident
Hi there Kubigula! You left a me a nice message explaining that my recent edit appeared to be a test, and that I could practice testing in the sandbox. I appreciate the help! However, I was actually removing the addition of the word "ASS" to the beginning of Ashton Kutcher's name at the beginning of his article. And it worked! So all's well now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.236.109 (talk) 04:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Mojo Hand, eh?
Kubigula sounded better, sounded like something that should be fighting Godzilla. :) "Godzilla and the 50 Foot Woman vs. Kubigula, Mothra and the Blob"...now that's a cheesy horror flick! :)  Anywho, congrats on the new moniker. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 20:00, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! After all these years, it's going to take me a while to get used to a new name. Well, sometimes we all need a change...-- Mojo Hand (talk) 00:56, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have thought about switching names or just being "NH" or "Homer", but it just seems like alot of work. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 05:17, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not as hard as you might think. So far the hardest is just getting used to a new name. It can also be tough finding names that aren't already taken - e.g. NH and Homer are both active.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Having Aspergers, I get stuck in my ways and like "Neutralhomer" too much to change. :) Though the idea does rattle through my head once in awhile, maybe one day. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 18:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I like Neutralhomer too :), so also think you should stick with it!-- Mojo Hand (talk) 18:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess the name sticks then. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 18:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's an excellent change – but then I may be slightly biased... Mojoworker (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol - we can start a union!-- Mojo Hand (talk) 01:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The Mojo Workers of the Wiki, Local 1. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm slightly startled that User:Mojo Filter is unclaimed.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:24, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just about every line of that song good generate a decent username; at least we have User:Joo-joo eyeball!-- Mojo Hand (talk) 03:06, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Special:Contribs/2601:D:5C80:15:884:F6D4:F9BC:6E5
Hey! Just an FYI, usernames like that aren't actually accounts, they're IPv6 addresses. There's some more info at WP:IPv6. I've reduced the block down to 31h, feel free to extend if needed. Legoktm (talk) 02:41, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm - learned something new; thank you for the info and the entirely proper reduction of the block length.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Becky G
Thanks for that! I reverted the wrong edit. ///Euro Car GT  16:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries - I figured. I have plenty of those myself :).-- Mojo Hand (talk) 16:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of The White Warrior
Just a technical deletion to move the page Agi Murad, il diavolo bianco to the international title! Cavarrone 19:14, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Courthouse Pictures
Hey KubiguMojo :), just a heads up on one of your courthouse pictures. The Frederick County, Virginia page has a picture of the Old Frederick County Courthouse, which is on the Loudoun Street Mall.  The Joint Judicial Center, the current combined courthouses of the City of Winchester and Frederick County are located a couple blocks away.  The Old Courthouse is now used for different community events now and hasn't hosted any legal procedings since we moved here in 1992 and probably before that.  The building is on the National Registry of Historic Places (that's the state listing, the national listing is being digitized...still) so the photo is still notable and would make a good article. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 15:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. I'm OK with using the old courthouse image, if we don't have a picture of the new one (or if the new one is some bureaucratic monstrosity).  In this case, I don't think Wikipedia has a picture of the new courthouse.  Are you a photographer?-- Mojo Hand (talk) 16:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am, but the camera has been out of batteries for awhile now. Just when we think we can get a pack of 'em, a bill comes up, and the batteries have to wait.  This is what the Joint Judicial Center looks like.  That's from the Winchester/Frederick County Bar Association website, so you could use that with an FUR. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 16:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we can hold on until you get some batteries :).-- Mojo Hand (talk) 19:44, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It won't be as good as that picture, but I will do my best. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 21:55, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Siege Perilous
Hi there, User:Mojo Hand. I was wondering if you would consider changing the result of Articles for deletion/Siege Perilous (comics)? As you point out, there were comparable numbers of keep and delete votes (4/4 on primary choices), there were also 5 people who also supported the idea of a merge. Would you therefore consider changing the result to a merge? BOZ (talk) 12:34, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out, and I am happy to take another look. I still read a rough consensus to delete on this specific AfD, but I do see broader consensus to merge on other related AfDs, and I value consistent treatment.  Would you be willing to do the merge?  Looks like Features of the Marvel Universe would only allow a paragraph or so of content.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 14:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. :) BOZ (talk) 23:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry bout that
Igloo is one buggy thing. Sorry about the accident back there. That's why I use Huggle instead! ///Euro Car GT  03:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've had to apologize for Huggle mistakes a few times too :) .-- Mojo Hand (talk) 03:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Solid consensus

 * 02:23, 31 October 2013 Mojo Hand - unblocked Eric Corbett - (Consensus at AN)

How did you come to your conclusion "Solid consensus on this proposal." given that about 14 people were against the motion and about 22 in favour. That is a about 60% for the motion which is not even a rough consensus, let alone a "solid consensus". -- PBS (talk) 11:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I also would like to see this question answered. --96.231.113.61 (talk) 16:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * A fair question. Looking simply at the numbers, I counted 26 in support of the 24 hour block or immediate unblock (though the two "weak supports" were a little murky) and 13 opposed (AutomaticStrikeout came in after I was already closing).  I see that as a pretty solid consensus, just based on raw numbers.  Moreover, if there is unclear consensus on an admin action, we generally err on the side of reverting the action (see NOCONSENSUS).  That's my reading of the situation anyway, and I am interested in your thoughts.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 21:11, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Mojo Hand, you appear to have confused a majority !vote with consensus—they're not the same thing, by a long chalk.
 * PBS, there was no consensus there, solid or otherwise. But, after reading the NOCONSENSUS policy, it looks like all Mojo Hand had to determine was a state of No Consensus: "When actions by administrators are contested and the discussion results in no consensus either for the action or for reverting the action, the action is normally reverted."  So, all EC's fan club has to do to get his block reversed is show up at the discussion and contest it, which will lead (in their worst-case scenario) to a decision of NoConsensus, and the block gets reverted.  I agree with you, PBS, that there was no consensus here, and I don't know how anyone can claim there was, but that question is moot because as the policy is written, EC and his friends win anyway.  So much for trying to enforce CIVILITY on someone who has an active fan club.  (The things one learns by reading policies!)  --96.231.113.61 (talk) 22:05, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 96.231.113.61 I think you are inverting the logic the proposal. The proposal put forwards was that "we reduce the block to 24 hours and be done with it." so it had to be shown that there was a consensus for that change to the block (not that the initial block should be reverted), as I said above I see no such consensus in that section for the specific proposition, and what is more the opinions were skewed from a large majority in favour of reducing the block in in the first half of the list but not in the second, which suggests closing the debate may have been premature. -- PBS (talk) 18:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I would argue, PBS, that changing the block to 24 hours, when the 24 hours is already "time served", is in effect a revert of the indef block. The intent of the proposal was to revert the indef block.  (I do think I see what you're saying, but to my mind it seems to be a "technicality".)  You are correct about there being no consensus and that the discussion should have run longer.  In my opinion, that part of NOCONSENSUS needs to be changed so that in the case of a block, like this block, if the discussion ends in no consensus the block stays in place.  A policy that defaults to reverting a block on "no consensus" undermines the authority of the sysop and undermines enforcement, in this case, of the Civility policy.  It should be changed.  --96.231.113.61 (talk) 19:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked at this again, and I stand by my original comments. However, I do acknowledge PBS's point that allowing the discussion to continue could have altered the consensus (and there was some indication that momentum was changing).  However, I balanced that against the fact that AN is a highly trafficked board and delay would undermine the whole point of the proposal.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:15, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It was a reasonable decision. NE Ent 03:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It was an awful decision. Closing it at that point, at best you could say there was no consensus.  ‑Scottywong | soliloquize _  14:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I am very uninvolved in all this, and it looks like consensus to me. However, reasonable minds may obviously disagree. Although even no consensus should mean that a block is reverted under WP:NOCONSENSUS.  I also note that the blocking admin agreed with undoing the block when he returned.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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Disambiguation link fixing one-day contest
I have decided to put on a mini-contest within the November 2013 monthly disambiguation contest, on Saturday, November 23 (UTC). I will personally give a $20 Amazon.com gift card to the disambiguator who fixes the most links on that server-day (see the project page for details on scoring points). Since we are not geared up to do an automated count for that day, at 00:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC) (which is 7:00 PM on November 22, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the project page leaderboard. I will presume that anyone who is not already listed on the leaderboard has precisely nine edits. At 01:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC) (8:00 PM on November 23, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the leaderboard at that time (the extra hour is to give the board time to update), and I will determine from that who our winner is. I will credit links fixed by turning a WP:DABCONCEPT page into an article, but you'll have to let me know me that you did so. Here's to a fun contest. Note that according to the Daily Disambig, we currently have under 256,000 disambiguation links to be fixed. If everyone in the disambiguation link fixers category were to fix 500 links, we would have them all done - so aim high! Cheers! bd2412 T 03:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Ken Levine (Musician)
Hello, this is the original creator of the Ken Levine page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Levine_(musician) which was deleted apparently some time ago over issues of notability. I wanted to contact you about the possibility of a reconsideration of your decision. The primary argument which I do not believe was sufficiently aired during the debate was that Mr. Levine does indeed have a wide body of articles about him and that cite and reference his work. Unfortunately since the majority of these articles date from the 1970s, they have not been archived online. The link to Mr. Levine's website which was included in the original sources was misrepresented as an inappropriate source, but is in fact vital to prove the veracity of his notability. On Mr. Levine's websites are scans of a large number of the articles which appeared. That combined with the fact that he was a chart-topping musician in his time, I feel more than reaches wiki's standard for notability.

http://www.kenlevinemusic.com/charts.php http://www.kenlevinemusic.com/press.php

I believe that if these press clippings had been archived online, there would be no question to his notability. Screwtape666 (talk) 14:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Your arguments are persuasive, thought it does seem that the press clippings were discussed in the original AFD. I see someone has started an article on Levine - Schroder.  What do you think about merging the content from the old Ken Levine article into the current Levine - Schroder article?-- Mojo Hand (talk) 01:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I believe some form of incorporation would be appropriate. Not sure how though. As a relative newcomer to Wikipedia, I will defer to your good judgement. Screwtape666 (talk) 06:02, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I have restored the content, so you can access the history for merger into the Levine - Schroder article. You can access the history here.  The only caveat is that if you use any of the content from the original article, you must preserve the licensing history.  However, that is easy to do, you just need to add a comment in the edit summary - e.g. "Merging content from Ken Levine (musician)".  Let me know if you need help.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 16:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Userfication of Flauntmypet
The article Raul Julia-Levy has in the past been edited extensively by the subject himself as well as other SPAs closely connected to him. Looking into its revision history I am interested to have a look at Flauntmypet and its history. Would you undelete/userfy it to my userspace? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 12:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. I have restored the page and moved it to User:Sam Sailor/Flauntmypet.  Let me know if you want it deleted again (or just make a WP:CSD request). I hope it helps.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 22:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, much appreciated. Please delete it again. One question out of curiosity: It was created 04:23, 26 November 2007‎, tagged A7 04:24,[] and deleted 04:59. When you as admin delete an article tagged with A7, does that then remove the CSD tag? I am asking coz in the revision history visible to me I only see the initial edit by article creator. Or has that to do with different methods of userfication/undeletion? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 01:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * That's an insightful question. The original article only had two "revisions" - the creation page (which you saw) and the CSD A7 tagging diff.  When I restored it, I only restored the first revision; otherwise I would have had to edit the page to remove the A7 tag.  Usually I undeleted the entire history, but I used a shortcut to avoid recreating then reverting the CSD tag.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 15:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Makes fine sense, thanks. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 12:35, 30 December 2013 (UTC)