User talk:Molala01

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Thank you for attempting to update the project tag at talk:Savage Rapids Dam. I cleaned it up for you, but wanted you to know that the WikiProject Oregon's importance scale is at WikiProject Oregon/Assessment which should be referred to when assessing articles with our tag. My read is that the Savage Rapids Dam affects a small proportion of Oregonians, so it is properly rated as "low". Thanks for all the work you did on the article! —EncMstr (talk) 22:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

response to EncMstr
I'd have to respectfully disagree with your assessment. On the surface, Savage Rapids Dam would appear to affect a small number of people who draw water from the facility. But the dam's impact on the Rogue River and its salmon fishery affect communities throughout that basin as well as along the entire Oregon coast. For example, you will note in the article that the Rogue is the second largest producer of salmon in Oregon outside of the Columbia basin. Moreover, the Bureau of Land Management estimates that some 25,000 visitors use the Rogue River each year. The federal government study cited in the Savage Rapids Dam article values the benefits of removal at $5 million annually. This is not a small amount of money in rural Oregon. The dam's removal will have a long-term impact on the state's tourism, sport fishing, and commercial salmon fishing industries. This amount of money will have a state-wide impact, but will be particularly focused in coastal and southwestern Oregon. This is why state and federal governments would allocate $40 million for the removal project. Finally, the removal is one of the largest in the country and part of a wave of dam removal in Oregon that will have significant impacts on people throughout the state. I would argue that the Savage Rapids article compares with the Marmot Dam article, which is rated at the "Mid" level of Wiki importance. Just to be clear, I am judging this article as both "geographic" as well as an "event" for the purposes of the importance scale, so I am judging it as having "a long-term impact over a significant region (as in more than just one county) or a statewide impact over a short period, then Mid (Columbus Day Storm of 1962)." Thanks. Molala01 (talk) 01:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree the dam has significance to southern Oregonians. However, wouldn't you agree that the Rogue River (Oregon) has more impact?  That's reflected in its "high" rating.  Your argument about the scale of its removal is a good one.  If it does garner large regional—or even national—attention, then I agree Savage Dam should be increased in importance.  —EncMstr (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, the Rogue River (Oregon) certainly has more impact than any one dam. In my opinion, the Rogue River Wiki article is appropriately rated "High." Now, if one of the primary reasons that the Rogue is so important is its salmon, and the Savage Rapids Dam is the largest salmon killing structure on the river, and its removal will enlarge the salmon runs by nearly a quarter, I would argue that the dam and its removal is an issue of at least middling (or "Mid") importance. Moreover, if this location/removal is of general importance to southern Oregonians - as you mentioned - it would seem to pass the "Mid" requirement for being important to people in more than one county. As I've stated before, I would go further to say that this issue is important beyond just S. Oregon. It is important to people as far north as Newport (Oregon's largest fishing port) and Depoe Bay (one of our sportfishing centers). A significant portion of the central coast ocean salmon catch is Rogue salmon, and that portion may soon go up due to Savage Rapids removal. This event is certainly important to farmers and other water users throughout Oregon, who are concerned that their ability to divert water from streams and rivers will be curbed to satisfy the water needs of fish. Fortunately, the solution at Savage Rapids appears to satisfy all parties, as I've noted in the article. Your point on regional or national attention is well taken: I have added a citation to an Oregonian article on the removal. Regards. Molala01 (talk) 04:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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