User talk:MonMothma

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Gender-related
Hey, MonMothma! We're glad you're here and want to help. I wanted to let you know that Sam Brinton falls into not only our biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, which is one of our most critical, but also into gender-related and arguably into American politics; all three areas are considered contentious topics. The edits you made there were clearly well-intentioned, but a major edit such as that often needs discussion when it's at a BLP in a contentious area, and it's often best to open that discussion before making that major an edit. Valereee (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Valereee. MonMothma (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, and I hope it's helpful rather than otherwise! Valereee (talk) 17:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi MonMothma, the Lia Thomas article is also within the BLP, gender-related, and likely post-1992 American politics contentious topics area. I reverted your recent addition to the lead according to MOS:LEAD and because the addition seems WP:UNDUE, and I encourage you to address this on the article talk page if you want to discuss this addition further. Please note that a claim made in your addition also does not appear to be supported by sources in the article. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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removal of sandusky paragraph
Hi, I wasn't particularly attached to the paragraph I edited at the end of 'imprisonment' in the Jerry Sandusky article, it replaced an earlier paragraph about the previous failed appeal. As you know, virtually all Sandusky victims said nothing happened in their initial interviews and eventually said things did happen. There was no forensic psychiatrist giving expert testimony, should have stressed that the initial interview is usually the authoritative one and new 'recollections' aren't reliable.

Currently someone replaced it with a different paragraph saying Shubin acted incorrectly...apprecite your thoughts.Createangelos (talk) 18:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Createangelos, I found the paragraph about the most recent appeal to be very confusing, so I replaced it to make things clearer. Hope that helps. MonMothma (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, it is more satisfying to have a villain in the piece and maybe justified. The 'garbled' nature ot the other paragraph was because the forensic psych Barden had a bit of the gift of gab, as far as the focus, the focus then was on therapists vs scientists.
 * I actually did spend many hours reading things and almost everything I read in the past is covered in the recordings Ziegler and Habib had made. Re Shubin, an insightful quote is when he said to an undercover teen investigator "What other reason besides sexual interest could lead someone to dedicate so much of their life to kids."  It wasn't like he'd thought about the question seriously.  I think that though prosecutors ring-fenced Shubin's involvement, and didn't allow people like Allan Myers who was involved with Shubin to be a prosecution witness. The main case was v1 whose therapist was Gillum and v4 who changed his story under the influence of Lieter (sp?). The police interrogators were trained in drugs enforcement, also I think used techniques with the kids (now adults) that are more useful with gangsters, to make deals and push for testimony and it is a victory when they finally cooperate and spill the beans etc etc. One technique is to say there is already massive confirmation evidence, we just need someone with the courage to say it happened to them (and collect  your settlement).
 * The current article about Sandusky sort-of ends as if it is blaming Shubin for what went wrong. Ironically, prosecutors were very very fastidious about trying to be fair and steer clear of people who seemed to be influencing the evidence. It almost sounds like I have an involvement -- I do not, but I respect the intellectual rigor and care of the prosecution. The jury just seemed to be out to lunch and didn't get what was happenign, sadly.
 * Not sure if you still want to work on it. Good luck if so.Createangelos (talk) 21:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Createangelos, contrary to what you said, I don't think that the article blames Shubin for anything. It simply recounts the most recent motion made by the defense and the fact that the motion was denied. Aside from that, I am confused by the rest of what you wrote here and on the article's talk page, so I can't respond intelligently. Sorry. MonMothma (talk) 00:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * You correctly saw that I basically copy/pasted my comment to you on the talk page....so you and I do not need to hold responsibility for what happens. You are correct that I exaggerated the living bio aspects re shubin, but anyway I'm fine to leave this to more competent (and less garbled) editors than me anyway.Createangelos (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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Poorly written and poorly sourced?
I notice that you removed one of my edits. I'm sure you did it without political bias. However, if you think is was "poorly written and poorly sourcedthen there were other courses of action you could have taken. For example, you could have improved the writing and sourced it better. There were at least a dozen sources I could have chosen; I considered Newsweek adequate. It seems you don't want the revelation to be published. Francis Hannaway (talk) 15:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Francis Hannaway, I think the Mike Johnson article is already overloaded with references to his religious faith. (Perhaps I should have added that to my edit summary.) If you disagree, please feel free to take the question to the article talk page. We will see what other editors think. Thank you. MonMothma (talk) 05:14, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah. His religious belief in a disestablished country is one thing, but this was a particularly mind-boggling declaration as a representative of the nation. Francis Hannaway (talk) 11:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Democrat Party
@MonMothma I disagree with your statement that including the Democrat Party nickname on the Democratic Party page is not notable for the lead (see the mention of "GOP" on the Republican Party page). Millions of people refer to the party as such, and its use is well documented. Consequently, I will be reinstating with sources.

Loltardo (talk) 02:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Darby Crash
Hey, I wanted to thank you for your recent edits to Darby Crash. Definite improvements, in both writing and proper sourcing. Cheers. CAVincent (talk) 06:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, CAVincent. MonMothma (talk) 13:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Aaron Liu ! I appreciate it. MonMothma (talk) 05:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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