User talk:Moneytrees/Archive 3

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019


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What even is going on on the Speedy Long page?
I can't find a way to see what the specific alleged copyright violation is. There's a listing on Wikipedia:Copyright problems where you say there's "too many Billy edits" but I have no idea what that means, and the copyright notice's Duplication Detector report and Copyvios report both try to use "see talk" as a source and end up loading nothing. The talk page is equally vague and unhelpful. ~GMH talk to me 03:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , Okay, I understand your very bewildered reaction, so I'll explain;  User:Billy Hathorn, a notorious user with many edits, committed thousands upon thousands of copyright violating edits years ago. Recently, I've made it my goal to start clearing out the backlog at WP:CCI. The second largest CCI is Billy's (Contributor copyright investigations/20110727), and I've been cleaning it out over the last few weeks. Unlike most CCI's, Billy has copied from offline sources that are difficult to find, so it is a safe bet to presumptively blank his articles and list them at WP:CP, something that is traditionally done when finding the source in a CCI is too hard/would take too long/Would cost money. The "Too many billy edits" is referring to the history of Speedy Long, which is almost entirely comprised of edits from Billy. The regulars who deal with copyright will understand what I mean, but people who know less about the area obviously won't, so I apologize as I could have worded it better. As for the "see talk" stuff, you're supposed to put that on pages in cases of presumptive deletions (See this), and I once again see how someone would not understand what that means if they were not acquainted with copyright stuff on wikipedia.
 * Tl;DR: The article is being presumptively deleted because it likely contains copyvios, which is standard practice. You could prevent it's deletion by explicitly proving that there are no vios (Which is far more than just running earwig and requires vetting the offline sources) I have saved some of the sources from the article if you are interested in re-creating it. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 03:23, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you for your explanation. Also it does seem like quite a shame that a lot of (quite possibly true, correct, and useful) info would be thrown out with this blanking.  (Can't stuff just be reworded, if the phrasing is what violates copyright?)  Unfortunately I barely know anything about this person -- I was just trying to figure out who's who in the Long political dynasty -- so unfortunately I'm not the right person to work on this article.  ~GMH talk to me 03:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you for your explanation. Also it does seem like quite a shame that a lot of (quite possibly true, correct, and useful) info would be thrown out with this blanking.  (Can't stuff just be reworded, if the phrasing is what violates copyright?)  Unfortunately I barely know anything about this person -- I was just trying to figure out who's who in the Long political dynasty -- so unfortunately I'm not the right person to work on this article.  ~GMH talk to me 03:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

NPP
Welcome to NPP. You reviewed User:Abbycarroll at 2140 MDT. At 2241 MDT, an administrator deleted it as an attack page. I know this because another editor contacted me off wiki and told me about it, as it was attacking me. Please be more careful. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 06:08, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , Yeah I should've of csd'd it. I was rather tired when I reviewed it (around midnight where I live), which probably inhibited my judgement. Sorry. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 15:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You're brand new in the NPP ranks. Please know that the job you have chosen is one of the most important on Wikipedia. It requires concentration and thoroughness. Even though the backlog is huge, it always is. Take it slow, skip what you aren't comfortable with, ask others if need be, and don't do it if you are tired. We all make mistakes, but I'd sure rather see you pass a promotional article than an attack page. I thought when I first started NPP that user pages are easier to review. They're not, and they, more than articles, shouldn't be reviewed soon after creation. Thanks for what you do! You're a go getter. Be careful you don't burn out. John from Idegon (talk) 21:11, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

CCI question
I did a brief sweep through Contributor copyright investigations/Elisa.rolle, but I'm not sure I've tagged things properly. I've used to mean "this is not a copyvio" and  to mean "this is problematic and needs attention". Or is it the other way round? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  22:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , Other way around. Y is this is a copyvio, N is no vios. ? is for cases where it was overwritten and is no longer present in the article. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 23:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , and to reply to what you said at ANI, Elisa can go near it, but her checking off on articles should not be allowed; Instead, she should say "I think this article has this vio in it" or presumptively remove her own edits. And yes, it is a complete entry of all of her edits, not just ones that are suspected to be vios. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 23:03, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion regarding guide to CCI and thanks
Many thanks for your tireless work at CCI recently - something that I no longer have the time or patience for. A suggestion for your guide to CCI: please mention that edits by block evading sockpuppets can and should be summarily reverted and their page creations should be speedily deleted under G5 (should because copyvio is involved, something I highly encourage). Even if not eligible for summary removal because of block evasion, you shouldn't bother performing a full investigation into the added content. MER-C 20:20, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , right, I forgot about that. Sometimes it's hard to remember how to do things the easy way at CCI. I appreciate the compliments. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 20:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On the CCI note, I might ask that you reconsider your rather silly redirect. WP:CCI/20110727 is easier to type and actually indicates where the target lies. Primefac (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , Done. Yeah, I was going to do that at some point, just kept on forgetting to find a better redirect. Thanks, 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 23:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool. I certainly know how annoying it is to link to pages with super-long names. Primefac (talk) 23:38, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --— Maile (talk) 01:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Pizzagate conspiracy theory
Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Pizzagate conspiracy theory has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with the FA process.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:57, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Non-free content
Please see Quotations in "Formatting."

"Quotations should generally be worked into the article text, so as not to inhibit the pace, flow and organization of the article. Longer quotes may need to be set apart, generally through the use of wikitext templates such as  or the HTML blockquote element. Longer quotations may also be hidden in the reference (footnote) to facilitate verification by other editors without sacrificing readability."

The blockquote is acceptable per this policy. Also see Non-free content. Thanks!

dawnleelynn(talk) 19:15, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Hope you're doing well...
Money emoji! Wow, it's been quite some time since we've said hi to one another... I just wanted to leave you a message and wish you a great day and happy editing, and let you know that I was thinking about you... I hope you're doing well, and I hope you remain active in this project and that we keep in touch. :-) Cheers -  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   06:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
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Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
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Help needed at CopyPatrol
Hi, and thank you for your work on copyright issues. Lately I have run into a serious problem: I have been doing an extremely high proportion of the reviewing of the listings at CopyPatrol, having done 50 to 75 reviews daily for the last few weeks. It's not realistic to think that I can keep this up indefinitely, as it consumes many hours each day, and it's not good for me to spend so much time in front of the computer. And if for some reason I become unavailable the results will be dire. What I'm hoping to do is recruit a small group of experienced users who visit Copypatrol daily and clear 5 to 10 cases each, to help spread the burden around a little bit, as well as create a cadre of people who can take over if for some reason I am not able to edit any more. Since you've got some experience in copyright clean-up, I am inviting you to consider visiting the page on a regular basis – even daily, like I do! – and clearing a number of cases. It would be a really big help if you could! Thanks for your time, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:00, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , Oh for sure. In fact, one of the reasons I started editing in copyvio areas was because of the lack of users in the area, and because it felt like a place I belonged in. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 21:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Mary Mead
I declined a G5 nomination on this article. Firstly, the subject looks notable or at least possible to redirect, so deleting it would be cutting off our nose to spite our face, and has done some editing on it, so I don't think it qualifies as having "only one significant contributor". Hope that makes sense. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I understand, fine with me. In hindsight, redirecting to her father's article is the next best option after speedy delete (Either way, the article's content should be removed because of the sock masters incessant copyvios). Thanks for providing a thoughtful explanation, 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 16:12, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I would have personally asked somebody like or  (and, since horses are peripherally involved, ) to give it a quick going over first - but since the article text is all in the history, that's not a major issue. I had a look for obvious close paraphrasing, but the only thing that stood out was the lengthy quotation at the bottom. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  16:15, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * it's my anniversary so I promised my husband I wouldn't work past noon, but if Megalibrarygirl or Montanabw haven't done something with this by tomorrow, I'll be glad to take a look. SusunW (talk) 16:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , Yeah it looked fine to me with earwig, I'm more worried about the dead sources.💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 16:27, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take a look today, too. Though I know that today is a little crazy! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Lasiommata petropolitana.
Fixed.For pd sources I use the template I added to ''Lasiommata petropolitana with the ref. I hope correctly.Thanks for your notice and best regards Notafly (talk) 20:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Copyright
Money emoji, regarding edits like this, are you aware of WP:LIMITED? Sometimes there are limited ways to say the same thing. Seems better to just reword as much as possible instead of remove the content.

If you reply, I ask that you don't ping me. I'll check back. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Greetings, I am aware that some content can be impossible to put in another way, so I try and rephrase Hathorn's edits if they are important. That said, many of the ones at WP:CCI/20110727 06 are either pointless trivia, mentioning an actor played a minor role on some western when it could have just gone in the filmography section, and mentioning another article in order to prop up his very large walled garden. That said, I will happily rephrase the sentence, which I changed to: "Jenner has appeared in a variety of game shows and reality television programs, including starring with Grits Gresham in an episode of The American Sportsman" Thanks for pointing this out, going through the edit list can be quite brain numbing and sometimes something that can be reworded slips by. 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 16:40, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2019 (UTC)