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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks @Gerda. Damn, five years. And soon, my RfA will have been four years ago. I like how I'm able to measure how much has changed for me in a year with each anniversary. It's kind of crazy how much has changed since last year... Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 17:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

What???
Noticed a funny similarity in your responses to Lourdes' admission and Esotrix's block. That's all. Dialmayo (talk) (Contribs) she/her 12:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes @Dialmayo, I guess I am the emotive Arb. At WikiConference North America Toronto, about five different people quoted the "What The Hell" reaction when talking to me. One person asked if I was the "What The Fuck guy"... Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Comment for Signpost article re: arb brouhahas
You've written enough to be quoted on this already, but if you want to add anything to what's at Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/News and notes, let me know, and I can quote you. It would be interesting to get the perspective of the abstainer... jp×g🗯️ 06:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * @JPxG I think a reference to another time an Arb was considered for removal over something similar-- 2012's Statement regarding recent leaks from arbcom-l and the subsequent motion to remove Elen of the Roads (which failed)-- might be worth noting. Unless you or someone else at the Signpost have any specific questions for me, I don't feel like I have much else to add.
 * That said, some people have asked me offsite about what way I would have voted if I didn't abstain. I would like to say more but given my abstention and the private nature of the evidence (I should not confirm or deny etc), I don't think it's my place to do so at this time; maybe once the dust has settled I can give more substantive commentary. Among other things, I shared my thought process with my fellow Arbs, but didn't say how'd I vote. I don't want to say anything that might make me seem "two-faced", if that makes sense. I was planning on saying a bit more, but I feel like recent comments at ACN have basically covered anything I could say, or would otherwise contradict me in a confusing way. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Moneytrees: Enjoy the holiday season&#32;and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation
Hi Moneytrees :) I'm looking to interview people here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello @Clovermoss, I saw that a few days ago and will try to add something when I have the time. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 22:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * once I’m ... satisfied with the state of copyright enforcement sounds like a nice way of saying "never"... Eddie891 Talk Work 19:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have some hope @Eddie, I know dealing with copyright violations will be an indefinite job for this site, but that the process can and should be improved. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 23:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

A solstice greeting
 ❄️Happy holidays!❄️

Hi Moneytrees! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. It was great to meet you in Toronto! Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb }&#125;  talk

&#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Happy Holidays text.png Hello Moneytrees: Enjoy the holiday season&#32;and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —Ganesha811 (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message

Copyright and ChatGPT articles
Hey M, happy new year, first of all. I was just hanging about not doing anything productive, and just now, that took me to Category:OpenAI-written articles. I emptied it because it was populated by biographies. But presumably, that means we have ChatGPT articles being created now. Large language models are considered copyright violations by a lot of people, the most prominent example being The New York Times suit against OpenAI. But add to that, even if what ChatGPT does is all found to be above board, how do we attribute it properly on Wikipedia when there is no one edit in the article history from User:ChatGPT? I don't know the answer. So, I was wondering if this stuff has been discussed and consensus reached on how it all works. If yes, I need to catch up. If no, we presumably would need to do something about those articles? Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:00, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Relevant discussion about this category is also here: User talk:Habst. --Habst (talk) 17:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Usedtobecool See Large_language_models. We're not at "all AI generated content is a copyvio and should be removed", although that could change in the future. As for attribution, the essay I linked says edits should be attributed but that's not policy. Personally I think an editor should attribute when they do so. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

2024


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

[[User talk:Gerda Arendt#2024|Happy New Year

2024]]

Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks @Gerda. How was 2019 five years ago? Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think I get the question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt More just asking myself that out loud... I remember the Fram ban and other events of that year like it was just a few months ago. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Now I get it ;) - happens to me all the time to me that I miscalculate with a new year. How do like my virtual cards?


 * @Gerda Arendt I'll always your virtual postcards. I'm always looking forward to more cat pics, food pics, and scenic vistas. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 19:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Here you go: The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new catalogue of his works was introduced, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Yesterday was a friend's birthday, with related music. - I'm on vacation - see places. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about procedural use of information
Say, in general, that there was an ArbCom case, and that a key party to the ArbCom case refused to participate, and that they were given the benefit of the doubt.

However, let’s assume that a publicly visible reference by another random editor on a random talk page mentioned that the editor was highly active under their real name (which has long been public, so no issue there) on a well-known platform/site. And that it was publicly visible that the party was continuing to churn out original content on the same topic area being discussed at ArbCom on this platform, while the case was ongoing. Thus, in such a case there would be no doubt that the party was intentionally avoiding the matter.

Would the details of such information be sufficiently sensitive to require privately mailing the Committee, or would it be okay to mention and/or link on a case talk page?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but I’ve had a very long day and don’t really know how ArbCom works yet.

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 08:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * @RadioactiveBoulevardier, I would email that to Arbcom first (Special:EmailUser/Arbitration_Committee) as a precaution. I can't garuntee that it would dresult in us doing anything, but it might be useful to keep for the archives/as extra evidence. Thanks for asking. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 09:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @RadioactiveBoulevardier Did you ever send an email about this? If you were planning on doing so, we never got it. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No, not yet; I've been really busy juggling stuff lately. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 02:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

February music
Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks @Gerda, I really appreciate it. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. - Rinaldo (opera) premiered OTD, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Block appeal (2021)
Hello Moneytree, I have been blocked since 2021 (on wikipedia English) for copywrite infringment, but it's been years and the block hasen't been lifted, even though I've mentioned that I understand why the block has been made, but I'm still block. Is it possible that you look into my case so that I will be able to edit again on Wikipedia? Thank you, I would appreciate your help. Jimmyp3 (talk) 14:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jimmyp3 If you want to appeal, place the unblock template on your talk page. I'll take a look but I can't guarantee anything. User:Moneytrees/Copyright blocks contains some advice on how to appeal a block for copyright violations. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Best path to get involved at CCI long-term?
Hi Ted, I'm Chelsea. As I've taken a cautiously long time acquainting myself with en.wiki policies and norms, I've come across instances of your tireless contributions here more than once: thanks for all you do!

I did a deep-dive the other day in the CCI pages, including what I understood to be a backlog of diffs needing careful review after past CCI cases. This type of admin work just calls out to my soul, and I was wondering if you have advice on how to most effectively review the resources on this section of en.wiki activities. I saw that Counter-Vandalism has an "Academy" module (which I plan to progress through, for my own general understanding) and was curious as to whether CCI has any similar resources for newcomers to the process.

I wouldn't personally be interested in any of the decision-making or public-facing elements of CCI, as I am not good in dramatic situations and prefer to avoid them. However, the "drone work" of clean-up after an investigation is the sort of labor I find strangely relaxing.

To give further context, I have about ten years' experience as a Creative Commons and copyleft activist in graduate edu and open source software communities. Over that time, I've explained the fundamentals of free and open licensing to folks from all walks of life, so the very radical oppenness demanded by Wikipedia's use case is familiar to me. What *is* a little intimidating, still, is navigating what documentation needs to happen around confirmed cases of copyright infringement, what circumstances require rev-del, and so on.

I've finally started setting up a proper desktop environment so I can properly review diffs and use the more advanced editor tooling available there, which I expect would be especially necessary for this type of contribution. I'd love to review more documentation and get up to speed so I can usefully contribute in this area long-term. If you have any tips for me in pursuit of that goal, I would love to hear them.

Thanks for your time in reading this, for all you do for one of the coolest consensus-based knowledge experiments in human history, and for being in favor of copyright reform- solidarity there. Have a great day and happy editing! Chiselinccc (talk) 11:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Chiselinccc, thanks a lot for the message and your willingness to help in the area-- it's great to hear from someone which such long experience with CC and copyleft. Really a lot of the work involves finding plagiarism in articles and cross-refencing with sources, which we have some different automated tools to assist with. If you want to help out, there's the #wpcci channel on the Wikimedia Discord which is pretty active, there's a few different people in there willing to help out and give advice for someone starting out in the area. I've got some rough guides on the matter at User:Moneytrees/CCI guide and User:Moneytrees/CCI Sort-- they might need to be updated a bit but should be pretty accurate still.
 * One thing though, over the last year I've been trying to get some reforms in the area going-- the workload really isn't sustainable, and processes should be updated and streamlined to try and alleviate the perpetual backlog. User:Moneytrees/Copyright RfC 2023 has some of these ideas-- feel free to comment on the talk about them, because I'd love to get some feedback, especially from someone who's a bit "outside" of all the work.
 * Thanks again and sorry for the delay, Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 18:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Question re:Luke Olson CU
Are you able to disclose whether there was an identifiable sock master? Is there an SPI page? Or was it just a “hey they’re not in the US” geolocation thing?

Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 11:04, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @RadioactiveBoulevardier No identifiable master, but when checking an account, even if there isn't an exact master you can see indications of intentional disruption/socking. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 15:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

March flowers
in memory of the birthday of a friend who showed me art such as this, and of Vami --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded vacation pics (from back home), at least the first day, - and remember Aribert Reimann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyright infringement in Fudan University
As I see, other prior revisions of Fudan University may still have the same material that you've hidden away. What to do about those revisions? George Ho (talk) 04:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @George Ho Actually, upon looking further at the Copypatrol report I don't think it's a violation, so I reversed my revision deletion. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 23:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

April music
I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me, just interested and reviewed, and a bit proud that I brought the woman's pic to lead and Main page), and I also made it my story. - How do you like the statue (see places)? I was undecided so show three versions ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The statue is of Hildegard of Bingen, and as it happens, her Physica is on the Main page today, and Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below (on my talk) three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hbomberguy
Hello - I don't know how to prove who Hbomberguy's grandfather was..I just know who he was!..I don't want to provide details of a personal nature, but I thought it would be interesting gor his readers. I removed the bit which implied he grew up 'extremely poor' because it is definitely not true! The link to verify was just Harry saying in a video that someone once gave him a video and he was grateful as he didn't have much money at the time....that's not the same as implying he had a poor upbringing. It had been taken out of context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pretty well informed (talk • contribs) 16:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * in that case, please do that thing harris bomberguy told people to maybe try to do in vaccines and autism, and try to prove the claim before making it
 * and also use the comment function for talk pages  cogsan (nag me)  (stalk me) 16:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Judging from your comment here, it seems you might know the subject personally. If that’s the case, I think you might benefit from looking over WP:COI. Slamforeman (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pretty well informed You'll need reliable sources for content about his grandparents. I removed the "grew up poor" part. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 20:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

BBL Drizzy
Isn't BBL Drizzy a name that could be considered and alias for Drake? It is used to indicate that he's also known or more familiar under BBL Drizzy in some instances. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 14:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @DollysOnMyMind An alias would be something Drake uses; as far as I know, he hasn't referred to himself "BBLDrizzy". Anyways, the amount of people more familiar with him under that nickname is 0. This is more of a silly nickname than something Drake is actually known for and something people take seriously. Per BLP, we should shy away from covering these more silly, salacious bits of celebrity controversy drama; it's UNDUE. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 14:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)