User talk:Monna Ry

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Michael Hampe
Hi — I came across your article on Michael Hampe, and was going to move it to draft space on account of it being virtually unsourced, but I thought I'd first ask you what your plans are regarding it? Just to explain, all articles — and in particular those dealing with living people (see WP:BLP) — need to be supported by references to multiple credible, independent sources (see WP:GNG); this article shows only one source, and it is not independent. Moreover, each material statement in the article must be supported by citing one or more of those sources, so that readers can see where the statement comes from; an article of this length would typically have tens of citations. If you intend to add more sources and citations, I would suggest that you do so ASAP, as otherwise the article may be moved to drafts or even deleted (just because I didn't move it doesn't mean that someone else won't). If you have any questions or comments regarding this, please feel free to ask (just make sure to ping me, if doing so anywhere other than my own talk page) or raise them on the article talk page. Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Several people are already looking, DoubleGrazing, - I think it's on a good way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks good to know it's being worked upon, if that's what you mean. However, as it stands, I for one will not review and sign it off, not with vast swathes completely unsupported by sources/citations (and on a BLP article, at that). Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Up to you. He is in encyclopedias, and has an article in German. What we call "Cited sources" is Literatur" in German, - it's just a different system. I'll look closer next week, - have my own plans. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Gerda, this is one of the really buzy direcors at the opera,- on very high level. He still teaches at Yale ect. I had have a lot links, but the english version did not accept it. So I have cut it off. (I´ve lost 2 years of learning the new ways of Wikipedia, having an accident. Now I thought it would be easy, but in the middle of night, I suddenly had the fear, that I can not finish the article and that I blame myself here, so made the research return. - And tomorrow I have to drive to another citiy to controll my both eye operations, I fell owul. I swear you: I´ll never will have good ideas again!- I knew, all the others here are much better than me. Please do not kill the article. That man had a higher position that Oscal Fritz Schuh or Joachim Herz.Pleaas help me a little bit.--2003:EB:7F2B:F048:886D:E634:3421:AF10 (talk) 15:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC) Sorry, I´m in a mess at the moment! Thank you so much Gerda!--Monna Ry (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Nobody talks about "killing", but you really could help improving and bringing it up to standards. References. References. References. I will help, but next week the soonest. I have my projects, and a life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Gerda, you are totally right! It is nice, that you will help me, thank you very much. I´ll try also my best. In the german wikipedia I have a lot of nice friends, but here I´m the first time with a very good article, but a technic problem. You are very dynamic. Thats wonderful!- Have a nice weekend! I have to drive 980 km tomorrow first, then I´m back. Do´nt hesitate.--Monna Ry (talk) 21:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

ce begin
I'll look now at the director, - please no edit conflicts. I don't want to put an official "in use" template on it. I'll explain what I do in the edit summaries. My idea is to drop some things permanently (as not encyclopedic), but comment out others until a source can be found. He deserves a DYK, and for that purpose everything must have an inline citation. We can open the out-comment things afterwards, or when a source was found. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Some general things:
 * We list plays by "author's Play", operas similar, such as Mozart's Die Zauberflöte. I am unsure about using English play titles for plays performed in German, so left them English, but am sure about Mozart's opera which is performed in German worldwide. "Abduction" is rather funny in a German house.
 * Many authors have articles in English, sometimes more than in German.
 * When you see a title such as Madame Bovary you can be rather sure that it's not an opera by Sutermeister. Please check such things.
 * When a place has name here, we best use that name, example Opernhaus Zürich.
 * The English "director" is the German "Regisseur", but the German "Direktor" is rather "manager" in English.

Need a break. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

More after break:
 * "in the music capitals on all continents" - such phrases are regarded as "purple prose", - a simple "international" is better. Words to be avoided also: "prominent", "famous" ... - if they are, we don't have to say it.
 * A list of place names around the world is what we call a "laundry list", good for nothing. Filled with who conducted what in which house with which singers for three places would be much better than a list of thirty just places. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Avoid "shouting" = all capitals, such as "DER SPIEGEL", even if the source styles it that way.
 * Phrases such as "board of directors", and also job descriptions such as "general manager", don't need capitals.
 * Falstaff (Tito Gobbi, Verdi) emphases a person whose function is unknown to many readers over the composer, - please no. First comes the composer, and we better explain that Gobbi is a singer, not a conductor or what. I made it: Verdi's Falstaff with TG in the title role.
 * Why not link Falstaff (Salieri)?
 * Is Olivier Award the right award?
 * All conductors at the Salzburg Festival are important, without us wasting word on that.
 * Why mention Pagano if he has not even an article in Italian?
 * Why, when saying "world premiere", also "new"? ... and why Henze's given names when he was mentioned twice before?

Next break. You can do me a favour and add sources for the Cologne and Salzburg productions, and link to opera houses - not places! - where he directed as a guest. This is no travel guide ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Done with copy-edit. We need sources desperately, especially for award, also for films, books, productions, - everything that doesn't have an inline reference at the end of the paragraph. I removed IMDb, not regarded as a reliable source here. My next step will be to look at the sources. Tomorrow. Please help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

16 March
Thank you for adding sources! Can you please write short edit summaries about what you change? When you write a ref, the linked name should be followed by a space, then indicate the language if not English, then the website or publisher, and write access-date for all online sources that are not books, please. Today, I face similar problems for a translation, Marita Napier, and tomorrow another, Erna Schlüter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Hampe
—valereee (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2021 (UTC)