User talk:Mono/Archive 8

Talkback
Codedon (talk) 00:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to stop templating people, mono. Consider this a warning because it's getting rude. Have you ever actually read one of them? If you have something to say, don't click the button, type a real message. Codedon has every right to be frustrated with you.  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Fetchcomms. However, Codeon is a newcomer and templates should apply.  WP:DTTR, a widely followed essay, states These templates serve to explain the various rules to new editors. When novice editors break rules, it is quite possible (if we assume good faith, which we must) that they are unaware of it, and educating them is helpful.  Yes, I have read the templates and often add a comment to them.  Codeon's actions are blatantly uncivil and show a plausible interest in disruption.
 * Actually, Codedon knows what is going on here, and templating people when they want to talk to a real person is not helpful and very rude. The templates explain nothing to him other than he is not worth your time to write out a full message.  fetch  comms  ☛ 18:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If Codedon knew everything that was going on here then he wouldn't have asked to be adopted and then only 20 minutes later used helpme to ask about adoption because no one came. I probably would've templated him too. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

My point exactly.--mono 20:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

← Codedon obviously understands that adopters should help answer the adoptees' questions. And VernoWhitney--read the templates on his talk page, please. Do they seem rude or address the issues Codedon has asked? I don't think the templates offer much help.  fetch  comms  ☛ 20:09, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well then. Let's change all the templates!--mono 20:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope that was not serious, because my point was that writing real messages is always better, new user or not. Personal messages mean much more than a bunch of words used over and over again. Not that templates are worthless, though.  fetch  comms  ☛ 20:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
PrincessofLlyr (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅--mono 15:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
Thank you for submitting an article at Articles for Creation. Your submission has been reviewed and has been put on hold pending clarification or improvements from you or other editors. Please take a look and respond if possible. You can find it at Wikipedia&. If there is no response within twenty-four hours the request may be declined; if this happens feel free to continue to work on the article and resubmit when you believe the concerns have been addressed. Thank you. mono 17:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Reverted your revision to User_talk:VernoWhitney
Uh oh! mono 19:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Reverted your revision to User_talk:VernoWhitney
Uh oh! mono 19:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
Your nomination at Articles for Creation was declined, and Wikipedia& was not created. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer, and please feel free to request article creation again once the issues have been addressed. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia!  fetch  comms  ☛ 20:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Small request
You might have been watching User talk:Codedon. If so you'll see that the extra few bits of wiki markup on your talk page are really bothering him. As I said there, I don't know why you didn't let him remove them, but could you do so yourself? As I've said to him, I think you've both not show enough good faith at times. You've already been told that using templates in that situation wasn't the best idea, and I've warned him to be more civil in future. I want this to be the end of this dispute. Peter 21:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Indef'd for trolling and SPI filed at Sockpuppet investigations/Codedon. This is still no excuse for your actions--if he was goading you, you were the one who fell for it. Just keep this incident in mind when dealing with new users.  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the very targeted nature of his recent edits (as discussed under 'The date' on his talk) would have been enough for me to do something more about it. Thankfully there are others around keeping a good watch out as well :) Hope you can come back now. Peter 08:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He's apologized, been unblocked, and agreed to stay away from you and the articles you've created. Hope this is fine with you,  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds good. I am taking a break to "recover" and will return when I deem it to be appropriate.  Thank you to all the editors that helped figure this situation out.--mono 16:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Outline of iPhone OS
Hello, Mono. Since you had Outline of iPhone OS semi-protected while in userspace, I have requested unprotection of the article now that it's in mainspace. ~ N ERDY S CIENCE D UDE  (✉ message • changes) 17:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK.--mono 16:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hey
Glad to see you're back! :) Take it easy, Airplaneman   ✈  21:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--mono 23:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Still Here
Nah, I haven't left. =) I've been kinda busy/sick in real life is all. I just saw you were back and then it said I had a new messages. =P See your archive (7, I think) for some stuff I finished right before you left, by the way. Did you have a good break?  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 00:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm still on semi-break, however, doin' much better. Codedon is out of the way for good after violating unblock terms.  I looked over some WP:CSD taggings; they look good.  Lecture: the #1 cause of CSD mistakes (for me) is when people create "unripe" (unreferenced, otherwise bad and unacceptable articles) and ripen them (fix em) after you've tagged em.  Then, they say you messed up and it looks bad...--mono 00:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that's why you wait a while first. =) And I saw that discussion. But IIRC, CSD is really only for things that can't be fixed/improved, correct? And that when NPPing, you shouldn't go for the brand new ones unless it's blantant vandalism, attack pages, etc. because they may be improved in the near future. But that's just my interpretation of what I've read.  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 00:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's best. You can patrol older copies, I used to monitor the newer copies.  Now, I work more on other stuff, like WP:AFC.    WP:NPPers tend to be rather hot on the click...--mono 00:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah. I could see why; some new articles are insanely stupid. >< But, we have to remember not to bite. =) I also answered questions for you, too, when you get the chance to review the answers. Thanks!  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 01:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

←That's why I do WP:AFC! If you make a mistake, it is inside an incubator and can easily be re-listed without the complaining.--mono 01:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Psh, takin' all the fun out of it! Just kiddin'. =)  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 01:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw your answers; awarded you! If you'd like, you could try WP:AFC as an adoption activity.  What do you think?--mono 01:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That looks difficult. I've barely edited articles.  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 01:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't mean creating articles! I mean reviewing articles!--mono 01:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * btw, 4 edits to 7,000 for me! yay!  (3 after this)--mono 01:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * cough*WP:EDITCOUNTITIS*cough* JK  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 02:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, just because anyone can resubmit to WP:AFC doesn't mean there aren't any complaints... in fact, we often see new users angry that their submissions have been declined. You have to be just as careful as while on NPP. Think about it, they're basically creating a new article and it's getting declined ("deleted") and of course they put time and effort into it, just like a new article that someone CSDs. Please ponder this when you review at AfC. Two other things, it's nice that you're using secure.wikimedia, and that you're missing a div or two in your editnotice, which changes the font on the edit page itself too. And I think that AfC is a fine adoption activity for anyone who is careful and understands WP:N/WP:1E(and the different subtopics of it), WP:V, WP:DEFACTO, etc. But if you're not confident in content creation, it might be good to do that first.  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Fetchcomms; however, deletion is quite often permanent and accompanied by vandalism warnings, which can be bitey. Another difference with WP:AFC is that most contributors are IP adresses and usually are good-faith editors.  I know, isn't it great that I'm using secure?  (What was that about?)  Finally, I believe that User:VerballyInsane, with several good CSD taggings, who is most likely reading up on WP:N/WP:1E/WP:V, etc as we speak, is fairly ready.  What do you think (about VerballyInsane)?  Should I have him use User:Tim_Song's tool?  (trigger-happiness concerns)--mono 02:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Everything is permanent, you can't undo your actions regardless of what they are. A decline template on your talk page is also rather BITEy sometimes. And no, maybe half of them are IP editors (many are registered, if you look closely), and many regular page creators are good-faith editors as well. I think that manually doing it is always a good idea. If you have to do it without a script, you notice more things, etc. But it's up to him, of course. Oh, and talkback templates are fine, they're widely used for that purpose. I was just talking about using ✅ for every query on your talk page, etc. My advice; have VerballyInsane (ohai!) write an actual article from scratch.  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

←I'm being talked about! I like the idea of writing one from scratch first.  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 02:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha!--mono 02:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, write an article! Or, work significantly on a handful...  However, as VerballyInsane said earlier "I've barely edited articles," the common advice is to edit first, then write articles later.  @Fetchcomms- What do you think?--mono 02:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are you asking fetchcomms about these things? Just wondering, it seems odd. Not that I mind.  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 02:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He's more experienced than I am (and I like a second opinion)!--mono 02:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good reasoning.  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 02:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

← Create one without the extra editing experience—much better in terms of learning, I think. Just pick something that's not too hard to find info on.  fetch  comms  ☛ 14:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree! (For some ideas visit this page)  Cheers, mono 16:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm looking there. BTW, no need for talkback on me. I watch your page.  VerballyInsane t &#124; c 02:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, I'm going to very busy the next couple weeks because of finals.  Verbally  Insane  19:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Me too. We'll continue later!  m o n o National Pretzel Day 00:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Airplaneman Can I stop using talkback on you? Airplaneman  ✈  00:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I check your page daily hourly!--mono 00:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL Airplaneman   ✈  00:40, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * (re: my talk page) Hmmm... adminship in a few months? I'll see :). Preferably in the summer, around July... not too soon, not too late. I think I need a good nom, it looks like, as well as more general experience in the vandalism, BLP, and file departments. I'll take a look at your classroom. Airplaneman   ✈  00:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep... I was {hoping} this summer for me, however, I'm thinking next year after some more article work (GAs, DYKs, etc.). Did you get the note I (EdwardsBot) sent around? Btw, see this diff...--mono 00:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. Dan Cahill's summary was truncated mid-sentence, though. Also, try putting cn templates (and refs, for the matter) either before or after periods (I like after) for consistency. Great! Airplaneman   ✈  00:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

←Yes, I only got so far...--mono 00:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. I can do without tb templates from you, by the way, as I stalk your talk page as well :) Airplaneman   ✈  00:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I like tps for that! (I didn't get a response; just wanted to let you know)  Xeno probably shouldn't have given me access to EdwardsBot, however, I promise I'll be responsible.--mono 00:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What didn't you get a response for? I'll try and answer it. Airplaneman   ✈  01:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the smile :) Airplaneman   ✈  02:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for removing without response...? It's irritating when I'm (and others are) acknowledged like that. Airplaneman  ✈  00:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * At least it was acknowledged. Further, no comment.  --mono 00:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That was cold. I'll say it straight out; if you'd like to maintain positive relationships with other editors, please don't remove their comments like that. It's different if it was an attack or something, but removing a message of notification and constructive improvement is extremely discouraged (see WP:TPO [the last bold bullet] and WP:Prune). Furthermore, it incenses the person who posted it, not in hate, but in hopes of trying to help and promote discussion. The editor who posted is then compelled to think you took it in offense or did not care for constructive input. I don't WP:DGF. Note:Wrong link. I meant WP:FUCK. Airplaneman   ✈  02:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC) I care about improving, and the only way to do that is to give some feedback and learn through experience. In my case, I didn't want to restore something you removed without letting you know, along with my reasoning. I hope I'm making myself clear. Thanks,  Airplaneman   ✈  01:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ·    --mono 01:06, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just trying to help, alright? I do not feel like putting more effort into helping/offering comments/notifying you of my actions if this is the reaction I'm going to receive. You are fully aware that I am not extremely zoomed in and therefore cannot interpret the small dot that was a piped link to No comment. Cheers! Airplaneman   ✈  01:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Revert Mistake
Look at my edit. Look at the explanation on my talk page. Feel free to self-revert. &mdash; Scientizzle 18:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see the declaration of my mistake at your talkpage.--mono 23:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

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 * Since you appear to be the one who got the bot up and running, any chance you could tell me exactly what kind of note I'm supposed to make next to my name in order to opt-out? VernoWhitney (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Um, I'll deal with it, however, do you really hate courtesy notices that much?--mono 23:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I just watchlist everything I'm interested in. I figure if I miss something in the watchlist then I'm too busy to deal with it anyways. I'd like to keep my talk page for actual talking, not a weekly notice (or whatever). VernoWhitney (talk) 01:05, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As a follow-up, if you don't want to deal with it I can just remove myself from the members list - I'll still watch the pages and all, so that part doesn't much matter to me. VernoWhitney (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Just courtesy notices on no schedule, not too frequent...--mono 01:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
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Oh, and
This exists as a redirect, not a real dab page...  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not an admin, or the article would be created. See diff and diff.--mono 01:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I realize that, but why did you decline them in the first place then, if all you needed to do was G6 the original?  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought a redirect counted; it doesn't.--mono 01:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please... what exactly was not finished within 24 hours?  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Quoting from the "Article on hold" template: If the issues are not resolved within 24 hours, this request may be declined. If this happens the request can be resubmitted later.--mono 01:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly? WP:IAR, and "may" is the word used. My point is, the issues noted were resolved in 24 hours. If you disagree, please explain how they were not adequately addressed?  fetch  comms  ☛ 01:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Partially correct on the diff shown (others were ok).--mono 02:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but it was a bit too big.  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, so wrap it in   tags!--mono 02:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 9_9. Nice award, where'd you get it from? Oh, wait. I'd my sig! :P  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but above does not make much sense to me. An IP requests a DAB page at Chinatown, NYC. Does such a Dab page exist at another place? It seems not. A redirect at a similar name Chinatown, New York City exists, though. So you decline the request and propose to move Chinatown, Manhattan from its longstanding place there as G6? I don't think that would be uncontroversial and runs completely counter to the original request for better disambiguation. Instead, I've converted the existing redirect into the requested dab page and created a new redirect there at Chinatown, NYC. Let me know if you still see any issue with that. Best --Tikiwont (talk) 15:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That was what I thought was appropriate as well.  fetch  comms  ☛ 18:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bruce Beasley, American sculptor
Re. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bruce Beasley, American sculptor

I've changed it back to hold, and removed the 'decline' from the user page; the subject meets N, but I have highlighted some areas that need work - note my comment in the article.

It needs to stay on hold a bit longer, to give 'em a chance to fix it up. Even if they don't, we shouldn't decline it - it needs fixing up, but is a valid article. So let's leave it for a bit, see if they contact me; failing that, we can make it live and remove the problems. Best,  Chzz  ►  01:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK!--mono 02:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Government in exile
Hi, I noticed you reverted my additions to the article Government in exile on the grounds that they "constitute vandalism". May I ask in what respect they count as vandalism? The additions I made concerning the Privy Council in the Interregnum are a period of history I am very familiar with, and Charles II's exile is one of the most prominant examples of a government in exile in modern European history.

Thanks, John Wood 84.92.117.93 (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for any inconvenience. I made a mistake while reverting your edit and am self-reverting. Thanks! mono 18:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, no worries. JW 84.92.117.93 (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You may want to create an account; see why.--mono 01:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Recent warning
which edit to Speechless are you talking about? OttomanJackson (talk) 01:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please start a new section by clicking the "+" icon at the top of the page when you wish to post a new message. I was mentioning this edit, rephrasing what another editor said.--mono 01:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In any case, he was already warned by Pyrrhus16, so no need for duplicate warnings.  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

iAd
If you're interested, you can expand the article. I've spruced up it with some sources and an infobox; however, I don't have enough time to go through all of the sources and extract as much material as I could. If you're busy as well, feel free to pass this offer on to anybody else interested.  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! As it is a "later this summer" product, there is only limited information, however, I will attempt to expand.  In addition, I have added it to the tasks of WP:IPHONEOS.--mono 23:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk page stalker General stalker
Not in real life, of course 9_9. If you ever make your header2 visible, just note that helpme is for use on someone's own user talk page, not for requesting help on anyone else's. Thanks!  fetch  comms  ☛ 03:08, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll expand it later for other people's talkpages...--mono 23:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject iPhone OS
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 * You have to have access at User:EdwardsBot/Access_list and I must say that it might not be the best idea to give a ton of editors this power, since it could be quite disruptive. In addition, the bot has limits and cannot be used for everything.  Therefore, I recommend that project coordinators ask a privileged member/botop on a periodical or conditional schedule to send announcements.  Please let me know if you have any questions or need a bot run...--ℳøℕø 01:43, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
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NICE interview
Thanks for the offer! I'd really like to hear your ideas about NICE and new editors. I just hadn't gotten around to posting on your talk page to ask yet. Would you drop me an email off-wiki so that we can discuss the details (contact info, scheduling, etc.)? -- EpochFail (talk 15:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Can do!--ℳøℕø 01:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll email you this week; interview on the weekend? I'm kind of swamped this week.-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 01:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The weekend would be great. Just let me know when you have time. -- EpochFail  (talk 15:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

The Heroes of Olympus
Just as a heads up- This is not meant as a slam against you, but I've re-opened that AFD, as I felt it should probably go on. Since there was an outstanding delete vote, it really didn't meet any of the speedy keep criteria (at least that I could tell). I have no opinion on whether or not it should be kept, just that I felt the AFD should continue. Umbralcorax (talk) 02:58, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded at Articles for deletion/The Heroes of Olympus. Airplaneman   ✈  03:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

afd
If you havent; noticed, almost nobody uses symbols at this particular process. It's not actually prohibited, though. .  DGG ( talk ) 05:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand that and was surprised when they came out that way! I am using a script for closing, relisting, and voting on AfDs and it automagically does that.--ℳøℕø 05:31, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD relists
Er, did you really need to relist this? If I had prodded it, it would be deletable and it's not as if anybody thought it should be kept. It's a pretty obvious delete IMHO.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC) PS IMHO the primary time to relist an article is A) if there is a lot of discussion and consensus truly has not been met or B) you think the policy shows that the article should be kept/delete, but !votes is leaning the other way... and you aren't confident in your interpretation to override the majority isn't firm enough to do it on your own. If there have only been a few !votes and they all go the same way, it is generally enough to delete/keep. Especially if your own view supports that position. Remember, when the !vote is unanimous after a week, then it might as well ahve been prodded---in which case it could have been deleted. Sending to aFD shouldn't make obvious cases harder to delete.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 18:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mono, just as an FYI, I just noticed that you were on a "long wikibreak" as such, I don't know if you are going to see these in a timely manner. I've asked somebody at ANI to take a look at your relistings.  Several of them have been relisted 3 or 4 times.  If a consensus can't be reached after 2 relistings, then it should be closed as no consensus met.  Keeping an article in purgatory like this for a month accomplishes nothing.  I am not taking it to ANI as an inditement/criticism/condemnation of you, just to get another independent set of eyes on AFDs as you are on a wikibreak.  If you weren't on a wikibreak, I would not have contacted them.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 18:51, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw it; noted.--ℳøℕø 22:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, one other option, if you think it needs more, but don't want to close it, you can !vote and let somebody else close it.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 02:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Continued
Thank you for closing/relisting the AfDs at Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs. I've noticed that you have relisted several debates, such as Articles for deletion/D. A. Waite, Articles for deletion/Ken Spreitzer and Articles for deletion/Raymond Chen, that have already received plenty of participation. Though I participated in the AfD, I believe that the first debate has a clear consensus to delete. The second debate can be closed as "no consensus" or "merge" (depending on admin discretion), and the third debate can be closed as "no consensus" or "delete" (also depending on admin discretion). When AfDs have "no consensus", they should be closed as "no consensus" per WP:RELIST instead of relisted. I frequently ignore WP:RELIST in the spirit of WP:IAR, and when I do that, I usually leave a relisting comment. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steamin' and Dreamin': The Grandmaster Cash Story (4th nomination), where I relisted the debate to give the creator another week to post some sources that s/he would scan and upload to Flickr; Articles for deletion/Baron Mulingar, where I relisted the debate to generate discussion from established editors instead of just anonymous editors; and Articles for deletion/Manon von Gerkan, where I relisted the debate after a user remarked that the proffered sources by the previous "keeps" lacked the depth and reliability to pass WP:GNG. A fourth reason to relist could be if none of the opinions were based on policy or guidelines, as seen in Shereth's relist of Articles for deletion/Host.net. There are many reasons to ignore WP:RELIST, but I can't think of any to justify relisting the three debates I pointed out above. I was reminded at User talk:Cunard/Archive 4 about WP:RELIST, by the way, so don't worry about these little mistakes. Best, Cunard (talk) 06:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do not close debates as no consensus, except procedurally, as that very close implies that it is not uncontroversial. I have reopened Articles for deletion/Raymond Chen and reclosed it. In the future, please leave those debates for an admin to close. Thanks. Tim Song (talk) 00:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * To reiterate what Tim Song mentioned... if you are not an admin, you should not relist articles nor should you close articles where there is at least one delete.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 08:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Amanda ******* Palmer
Hi Mono, please note that the "*******" middle name is bona fide. If need be, I can send you a scan of a London concert ticket, from today, billing her as "Amanda ******* Palmer". Also note the various links on the Amanda Palmer talk page. (It was me who inserted the info; I hadn't realised I was logged out.) Cheers, -- JN 466  22:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok... Looked like vandalism.--ℳøℕø 22:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's okay ... it was a natural response on your part that would been correct 999 times out of a 1000. ;) -- JN  466  23:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:WikiProject Mac Banner.png
A tag has been placed on File:WikiProject Mac Banner.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. m o n o  00:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

still being posted
Why is User talk:Benp123456789 only a soft redirect? Stuff is still being posted... Airplaneman  ✈  02:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Macintosh Revival
Hello, ! You've listed yourself as an active member of WikiProject Macintosh, which is currently seeing very little activity. We are trying to revive the project and your help would be appreciated. To see who is active and who is not, we will be listing all active members under "status pending" in the project's participant list. Please move your name to either the "former members" section or "active" section. Hope to see you in the "active" column! For more information on how to help the project, visit the How to help section at our project page! &middot; EdwardsBot (talk) 02:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

/Newsroom
Hi. Please stop updating the statuses of pages for which you are not responsible. That is, don't mark them canceled, or finished or unknown. Thanks. ÷seresin 01:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. Btw, Ragesoss would like to get the post out on deadline, so it would be great if all the writers started earlier and updated their own articles.  If writers did this, there would be no need for editors to wonder "Will he show or will he go?".  Thank you,  m o n o National Pretzel Day 01:58, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In addition, don't mark your article as done if it's not even there. Smiles,  m o n o National Pretzel Day 01:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Mac FAR
Oh, I'm not trying to have it demoted; someone else nominated it. I'm trying to defend it, and get some help doing so. HereToHelp (talk to me) 02:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Good! I can help later, but why else would you be here?  You're here to help! -- m o n o National Pretzel Day 02:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The sooner the better :). It's on hold right now and may be delisted if we can't get more manpower. Sourcing is the main concern. Airplaneman   ✈  22:40, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Project banners
Since you just made a banner for WP:MAC, could you make one for WP:IPHONEOS? ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 03:31, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll do it this week! Cheers,  m o n o National Pretzel Day 16:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Um. Why do we need 3 iPhone OS banners? There's File:Qxz-ad177.gif and File:WP-iPhone OS banner.png already...  • ɔ   ʃ   →  23:17, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Signpost
Thanks for the note; it came just after bedtime. Things came together in a hurry :) --ragesoss (talk) 12:05, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

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Kind users
Thank you for sending me the message to welcome me into wiki project google. --Sillybillypiggy (talk) 17:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome!  m o n o National Pretzel Day 18:45, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Nick Folk.JPG
Please note that I have removed your Files for Deletion tag from File:Nick Folk.JPG. I did this because you didn't create a nomination at Files for deletion/2010 February 13, and made no indication of why you want the image deleted. If you still want it deleted, feel free to renominate it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Urm...-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 05:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

User:iBen/Guestbook/Barnstar and User:Mono/Guestbook/Barnstar
I know you an admin deleted these pages per CSD U1, but several users have it transcluded onto their userpages. Could you an admin restore it due to these reasons? Also, the edit above isn't vandalism. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 16:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Guestbook is now closed; if you really want it, you can request a undelete.-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 23:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying there are other users who have it transcluded. ~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 00:00, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

←Instead of worrying about guestbook templates, go write an article.-- m o ɳ o 00:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And that response was definitely courteous (!). NSD was well-meaning, although I do agree that it is mono's userspace, and he can do whatever he wants. It might be a good idea, though, to go to pages that link to the deleted page (Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Mono/Guestbook/Barnstar and Special:WhatLinksHere/User:IBen/Guestbook/Barnstar) and remove them, with an explanation. I suggest substituting instead of transcluding next time for stuff like this. Airplaneman   ✈  00:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, I was really quoting Fetchcomms, however, I agree with the pilot about substing templates. I am currently undergoing a subpage elimination drive and those were on the list.  BTW, @Airplaneman may want to use WP:SARCASM instead.-- m o ɳ o  00:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
~ Nerdy Science Dude  (✉ message • changes) 00:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Feature Portal Review of Portal:iPhone OS
IPhone OS has been nominated for a featured portal review. Portals are typically reviewed for one week. During this review, editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the portal from featured status. Please leave your comments and help us to return the portal to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, portals may lose its status as featured portals. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. This was a courtesy notice from WikiProject iPhone OS &middot; EdwardsBot (talk) 00:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I've left some comments there... and the bot just ec'd me.  • ɔ   ʃ   →  00:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Saw them, addressing concerns.-- m o ɳ o 00:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and fail. Someone was looking for WP:PPREV instead...  • ɔ   ʃ   →  00:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What?-- m o ɳ o 00:43, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not already featured, right? So you don't want a FP review for delisting and whatnot...  • ɔ   ʃ   →  00:48, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Big sigh.-- m o ɳ o 01:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Desk
Hey mono,

I'm still not sold on the new page layout. What was wrong with the previous system and what are we trying to achieve with all these charts? I'm concerned that we're trying to fix something that isn't broken and we're just creating another layer of complexity in the process. -Mabeenot (talk) 04:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Organization is key, as simplicity is beautiful.-- m o ɳ o 23:56, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretzels stated his opinion on the talk page. -Mabeenot (talk) 18:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Nihen
Hello, dumb question here but, on a relisted AfD, can I vote again or does my previous count? I've been part of a relisted AfD so this is a first for me. I will watch your talkpage for your response. Morenooso (talk) 06:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You can always change your !vote. Generally, you strike the old vote with a note explaining why you changed it.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not talking about changing my vote. I want to keep it the same. Now, if I follow your logic, can I overstrike my previous vote and then revoke citing appropriate WP policy to show that I want my vote to count in the relist with my new reasoning? --Morenooso (talk) 07:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisting does not negate previous !votes. Your reasoning would be used by the closing admin to determine what should be done.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 07:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

←@Baloonman seems to have answered your questions. If you have additional questions, just post helpme with your message!-- m o ɳ o 00:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

File:WikiProject Macintosh banner.png m o ɳ o  04:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Assessing
Thanks for helping to clear the assessment backlog at WP:MAC! I changed your assessment of Mac OS X Public Beta to mid-importance from low-importance, as it was a big part of Mac OS X, Airplaneman   ✈  01:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Noted.-- m o ɳ o 23:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Misleading Signatures for Bot Deliveries
Hi. Do not use code like  MonoBot , as you did here. It's very poor form and needlessly confusing. Thank you. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Did you try to hijack the user / user talk pages of MonoBot as well? --MZMcBride (talk) 15:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Mono, if you want your own bot, perhaps you should learn to use WP:AWB and then apply for WP:BRFA. – xeno talk 18:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * @MZMcBride- Noted. @Xeno- I'll look into it.-- m o ɳ o  23:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You removed comments based on your opinion of how you can regulate your talk page. The points were on target, and merit response. You don't have the right to remove challenged based on an arbitrary system of an SEP that you wish to ignore. An issue has been presented, and in a collaborative environment you are obliged to address it. Keegan (talk) 06:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Had to fix the page history, seems I edited an old pageID Keegan (talk) 06:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Mono, this is what I was telling you about earlier... too late now. Hope you've learned. Oh, and there are new developments at WT:MAC regarding the bot tagging process. Good luck on your exams. Airplaneman  ✈  02:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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Shoutbox
Just a note: it covers up some of your other templates, navigation toolbar, etc. Airplaneman   ✈  00:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed. (looked ugly), m  a y  o  00:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

signpost
Sorry about that, all I had meant to do was reset the table for next week. My bad! Tarheel95 (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's OK!-- m o n o 00:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

File:WikiProject Mac Banner.png
About File:WikiProject Mac Banner.png:I and some others (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Macintosh) think it's too purple. Airplaneman  ✈  20:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate what you're trying to do the homage to the Leopard screen, but I've put up a new, cleaner version. Hope you don't mind. I'll make one for iPhone OS to match. And thanks for any help on the Mac FAR. HereToHelp (talk to me) 21:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I dislike the Word Art style letters and think the "WP:Macintosh" phrase just looks foolish.-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 23:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I could modify to get something in between.-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 23:49, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I put up a .psd file at this page, password jk. Thanks!-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 00:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

It is personal preference; I think it's a bit harsh to say the phrase looks "stupid". I (personally) like the softer feel of the new banner. If we can't agree with this, we'll have to deal with no banners at all. Airplaneman  ✈  00:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What were you saying about stupid?  m o n o National Pretzel Day 00:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I said it was a bit harsh. Words like that are key to starting arguments. And I'm having a problem viewing the link. Airplaneman   ✈  00:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What happened? Try this.  @Heretohelp- Please don't write over my image.-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 00:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * When I click the image link, it's showing a whole page of letters and characters. I think Heretohelp has uploaded a separate image, and the one you uploaded is still intact. Airplaneman   ✈  00:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

←If you hover and click "download" it'll work. Anyway, go ahead and leave a message on my fridge if it doesn't work. Anyway, I'll work on it later. Honestly, I think functionality is key, with only the necessary data on the page. m o n o National Pretzel Day 00:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Come chat in the lounge; no ec there.-- m o n o National Pretzel Day 00:29, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, it works. Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  01:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Chat with me here! m o n o National Pretzel Day 01:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object, but I dunno what to chat about... Airplaneman   ✈  22:40, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

←New image; see below:  m o n o National Pretzel Day 01:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I got it. Just haven't responded; looks way better than the old one. Guess you could post it on WP:MAC's discussion page and see what others think! Airplaneman   ✈  00:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Love the new banner! What do you think?-- m o ɳ o  23:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I fully support Prezel's versions (plural because he did one for iPhone OS too). HereToHelp (talk to me) 23:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I like it too. Could you post the iPhone one below?  m o ɳ o  00:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Airplaneman  ✈  02:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Gradients and Myriad Pro, excellent two creations.  • ɔ   ʃ   →  17:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * fc, what?-- m o ɳ o 00:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Btw, could someone upload the iMac with Wikipedia logo by itself for the project logo?-- m o ɳ o 00:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash; PretzelsHii! 03:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thx mono, good luck for your exams. &mdash; PretzelsHii! 00:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome; the exams are really easy (or I'm really smart).-- m o ɳ o 00:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice gradients on the lettering, set in Adobe Myriad Pro font (semibold?). Someone's been doing his/her homework, that's Apple's "official" font. I believe I have a copy, if you like it and don't already have it, mono.  • ɔ   ʃ   →  02:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I really like the logo. Done with exams!  @fetchcomms- That would be great; I did some digging and couldn't find it anywhere in my install disk.-- m  a y  o  00:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's because it's a premium font. Not endorsing torrents and such, of course, and I might have obtained my copy from one of them... or I might not have.... Anyhow, here it is. Don't distribute copyrighted material illegally or use this commerically, etc. whatever.  — fetch ·  comms   00:38, 8 May 2010 (UTC)