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AFD close
Hi, I closed this before it was deleted as it was a clear hoax and I knew some time today It would've been deleted and seeing as Admins forget to close AFDs I thought it was easier to close it rather than do it later where it no doubt would've been left open for quite some time,

Anyway just thought I'd explain :),

Thanks and Happy Editing, – Davey 2010 Talk 03:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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I suggest that you use your admin discretion and cut off TPA for this editor. I don't see why vandal-only accounts should be allowed any kind of forum, and unblock requests can go through UTRS. This is not an otherwise productive editor who's had a bad spell, or someone we should be looking out for as a potential future contributor. BMK (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it looks like Nakon took care of it. BMK (talk) 22:50, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm perhaps a bit lenient when it comes to admin actions, but the talk page revocation was a good call. Monty  845  22:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * While I appreciate the thanks, it got me looking to see where we had crossed paths, that is an... interesting place to make your second edit on your account... Monty  845  02:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of WiderNet Project


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Privatization in Croatia
Hello Monty845. Recently you put full protection on this article. I've reviewed the edit history since May 1 in some detail and I noticed two people reverting eight times or more. I'd propose that we lift the protection and would be willing to apply blocks to the two parties who have reverted the most. Both have previous block history. This is not to take away from anyone's good intentions, just that they shouldn't be able to fight endlessly on this kind of article. If they were temporarily out of the picture, those remaining might be able to compromise. What do you think? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * My sense is that the problems between and with the parties (all three) runs deeper than just the edit warring, I posted an AN/I thread WP:AN/I seeking some input to find a solution, but it hasn't gotten much attention. As I mentioned there, I have no objection to the removal of protection if something else, such as the blocks you propose, is done to deal with the situation, so if you want to do that, feel free to remove the protection. Monty  845  01:27, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

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How much abuse?
How much abuse and foul language do I have to put up with, whilst administrators excuse and justify the other editors contact? Yet you criticise me for the most minor insult 'smart alec' AusLondonder (talk) 03:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * (Response I was going to make and AN/I before it was closed) This is the reason why trying to enforce civility is a bad idea. Different people have different standards for where they take offense. People get emotionally involved in a discussion, and say things that are intemperate, and then a big discussion blows up over it. When it turns out the person who makes the complaint does the same thing under certain circumstances, it just highlights why it its a bad idea to try to enforce it. We can argue about different levels of justification, and different levels of offensive language, but what it really comes down to, is that trying to fight moderate levels of incivility causes more harm than good. Until you are getting into WP:NPA territory, its better to just turn the other cheek.


 * To be clear, I would not normally criticize you for saying that, or things considerably more uncivil. Its only in the context of saying it in the very thread you started to complain about the incivility of others that it has significance. Monty  845  03:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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Dean Roberts
I see you restored the article (makes no sense to me). However, if you restore the article, please also restore Talk:Dean Roberts. Thanks. The Dissident Aggressor 20:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Restored the talk page as requested. As for the article, it just didn't meet the criteria for speedy deletion, as the article does make clear he is important based on his membership in Thela. I became aware of it at Village_pump_(policy) and so went about the process of getting it restored. However Dean Roberts does not currently pass any of the notability criteria, the band isn't any better referenced, and there are issues (or a complete lack of) notability sourcing on the other members too. It would be perfectly reasonable to nominate at WP:AFD, though maybe give it a day or two to see if anyone at VPP can find a reference. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  20:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protection of Chris Cuomo
Hi, your semi-protection expired the instant you posted it. Could you re-do and fix the expiration date? Thanks! :-) Softlavender (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Same with Santino Rice. Softlavender (talk) 01:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure, I've checked the logs for both, which appear in order, I've also logged out to check and it wont let me edit. Is it possibly a caching issue on your end that your not seeing the protection? Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  01:26, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Oops, my bad. I read the date/time listed twice in the edit summary(ies) as being today's date listed twice. Please ignore all precious communications LOL. Softlavender (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I can totally understand, the formatting of the protection info line messes with me from time to time as well. I'm not sure how we would fix it, but it just doesn't click for some reason. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  01:33, 9 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Monty, would you mind putting semi-protection back on Chris Cuomo again? Now that it's expired the IPs are back posting the Twitter nonsense BLP-vio stuff. If so, thanks. Softlavender (talk) 22:03, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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EXPLANATION
His sign says "no assholes zone" and he was claiming it doesn't. That's an obvious lie, hope this clears things up for you. Let me know if you have any other disingenuous questions.

But, you didn't really pose that question in good faith, did you? Nope. The answer was obvious, you were trying to score points rhetorically — to what end, one can only guess — and you didn't really need (or expect) an answer. Centrify (f / k / a Factchecker_has_annoying_username)  (talk)  (contribs) 16:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that there was something I was missing. He was claiming it had asterisks in it, which it did. While that may be a distinction without a difference, it wasn't a lie. But again, AGF, I wanted to give you a chance in there was something more than that. Given the tone of your response here, you really may want to consider taking a day or two off Wikipedia, and reduce your stress a bit. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  17:10, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah you're not wrong about the stress level, but, when coupled with endless indicia that "No Asshole Zone" is what is clearly intended, I hope you understand that your bullshit hair-splitting about the difference between "No Assholes Zone" and "N* Assholes Z***" can only contribute to the frustration of an editor who is honest and takes honesty seriously.
 * Do you really think your comment was helpful, or was it just sophistry, and a pointless distraction? Centrify (f / k / a Factchecker_has_annoying_username)  (talk)  (contribs) 17:33, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Its common that a conflict on Wikipedia can escalate when there is a potentially ambiguous statement, and editors make different assumptions, without asking for a clarification. Precision of language can sometimes help diffuse a situation, while it doesn't always work, sometimes it really does help. So, no, I wasn't trying to engage in sophistry. Hair splitting also isn't lying, and while hair splitting could sometimes be considered disruptive, calling it lying wasn't really a fair characterization, and if the hair splitting is all that was being disputed, wasn't really helpful to the discussion. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  17:44, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll bite, what would be a fair characterization? "BMK's intention to use insulting profanity is beyond clear, but he has made an infinitesimal effort, just for show, to not-really-disguise his intentions, such that a poorly written piece of software might not recognize this text as insulting profanity"
 * Would that cut it? Centrify (f / k / a Factchecker_has_annoying_username)  (talk)  (contribs) 17:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * While its not the way I would characterize it (I suspect we have differing points of view on how objectionable it is), I think that would be a fair characterization. I may not agree with it, but it is one reasonable way to interpret it. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  17:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's a much more reasonable way: the sign clearly and unquestionably is meant to say "No Assholes Zone", the asterisks provided are intended as nothing more than the barest fig leaf to which BMK can smugly point and claim it doesn't say "No Assholes Zone", feigning ignorance in the most shockingly dishonest way. And the message itself is unnecessarily insulting, unrelated to encyclopedia editing, and is really just a way for BMK to lash out pointlessly at people he doesn't like, or to pre-emptively communicate to people who intend to disagree with BMK that they are "assholes" and thus not welcome on the page — which point view is always confirmed by BMK's responses, which involve various flavors of insult or simply deleting the comments outright and tossing some sharp barbs into the edit summary and, with alarming frequency, proclaiming that various users are "banned" from his page (because BMK does not like engaging with people he disagrees with — prefers to snipe them at range).  It couldn't come more squarely within WP:POLEMIC which is one of the reasons why I removed it in the first place. Centrify (f / k / a Factchecker_has_annoying_username)   (talk)  (contribs) 18:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I thinks your case would be stronger if in the first comment he hadn't copied exactly what was there, but he did, and readers could judge for themselves. While I think the sign is distasteful, I'm not sure it rises to the level of WP:POLEMIC, as its not targeted at a specific editor or group. Unless he makes reference to the sign when talking to someone, its sort of a situation where a person would need to self identify as the asshole the sign is referring to. As for an editor banning people from their talk page, I think its becoming much more common to see, and its a worrying trend. If done at all, it should be a last resort before being justified in asking for an interaction ban, not something an editor regularly invokes. But the community has thus far chosen to give a fair deal of respect to it when an editor requests someone stay off their talk page. I'm not really sure what to tell you on that one. There is perhaps some room for improvement on the policies here, but I think he is currently within the borders of what consensus (or at least lack of consensus to do anything about it) will tolerate. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  18:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Meh. <-- My pet sheep here is troubled by the response, but I suppose we should leave it at that.  I'm pretty sure I've seen BMK gesture towards the sign or one of the other offensive signs as a specific reference to another editor (in particular I've noticed he makes very small edits that shift the asterisks into different spots that yield a zero-byte edit summary and thus make it hard to spot) but I don't feel like digging thru edit histories further
 * I'm going to go outside, thanks for the talk. Centrify (f / k / a Factchecker_has_annoying_username)  (talk)  (contribs) 18:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

So I've finally figured out what was going on here. Factchecker_atyourservice is quite proud of his use of the English language, and may even fancy himself a bit of a writer, but, in fact, he utilizes it very poorly. He kept saying "It says 'No Assholes Zone'" and my comeback was no, of course it doesn't say that - because it doesn't. What Factchecker_atyourservice actually thought he was conveying was "It means 'No Assholes Zone'" (or "No Asshole Zone", I won't quibble about singlar or plural at this late moment) and  of course  it means that, any idiot can see that. Less precisely, but more expressively, it means "I don't want any assholes darkening my day by posting on this talk page", but it doesn't say that. Factchecker_atyourservice had best get his ducks in a row and understand the words he's using before he runs around Wikipedia accusing other editors of lying, and lying about the lying. BMK (talk) 20:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's also interesting to note that Fatchchecher_atyourservice is monitoring my talk page so closely that he notices that I "[make] very small edits that shift the asterisks into different spots that yield a zero-byte edit summary and thus make it hard to spot..." It's one thing to monitor another editor's talk page as a "talk page stalker" who will jump in on discussions or offer assistance when necessary, but an editor who's paying such minute attention to another editor's talk page as Factchecker_atyourservice describes is hewing perilously close to  WP:Harrassment.  I would suggest that since I have banned him from my talk page, Factchecker_atyourservice's continued monitoring of it serves no useful purpose, and he would be best off taking it off his watchlist.  His has never been on mine. BMK (talk) 20:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think talk page stalking for reasons other than engaging in discussions or assisting almost always causes more trouble then its worth. Removing your talk page from his watchlist is sound advice. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  21:00, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I could also point out the irony of the initial complaint centering around WP:POLEMIC use of talk pages, and what Factchecker has done with their userpage. Then again, much of this was ironic. Also, in response to your final sentence - is it actually possible to remove your talk page from someone's watchlist? Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 16:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No, its not possible. I wasn't very clear, I meant Factchecker_atyourservice should remove BMK's page from his watchlist, not that BMK could do it. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845

My dearest Kennington, how it pains me to see you presenting your childish antagonism and lack of integrity as cleverness. How ironic. Since you think yourself a wordsmith, I feel I must inform you that there is a word in modern English the kind of bullshit, bad-faith argumentation you've deployed above and at AN/I. That word is "sophistry". Anyway, to return to a point that seems to have gone way over your head—climbing skyward to the rarefied heights of abstract thought—the substantive difference between a profane insult and a not-really-veiled profane insult is essentially nil, you dull-witted toad. Best, Centrify (f / k / a Factchecker_has_annoying_username)  (talk)  (contribs) 23:18, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amateurs Radio Algeriens
Hi Monty845: Just a note that it appears all of the articles listed in the "Full list of nominated articles" section of the afd at Articles for deletion/Amateurs Radio Algeriens are still tagged as nominated for deletion. North America1000 21:51, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know.  Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  02:37, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for addressing the matter. North America1000 03:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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LX National QSL Bureau
Hi Monty845: Concerning LX National QSL Bureau you blocked the wrong version containing vandalism by qsl.rlx.lu sabotaging qsl.lu. What's the use to block an article containing information what a subject isn't? Isn't Wikipedia a place to explain what a subject is? Super-gel (talk) 15:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It is not my place to judge what is the right or wrong version of the article. See WP:PREFER. You were involved in a protracted edit war, with little to no history of discussion, and the protection is to stop that, and hopefully result in discussion on the underlying issue. If the discussion does not resolve things, follow the Dispute Resolution Process. Again though, I don't know which of you is right and which is wrong. If the substance of the IP editor's content is true, than at least some note regarding it should be in the article. Its not a case of vandalism that is exempt from the restriction on edit warring. So, go try to have a discussion with the IP editor on the article talk page. I also asked for some independent input from the Wiki-Project on Amateur radio, who may be able to help form a consensus one way or the other. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  16:01, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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User:Hillbilly Dragon Farmer, High Frequency Trading and related vandalism
Thanks for blocking and reverting.

Some more related accounts:, , , ,  (blocked sock: SPI Archive) and ultimately  (blocked: ANI Archive)

Seems like this is an old sockpuppeteer trying it again. I don't know if this should be given to a checkuser. --93.204.119.103 (talk) 22:36, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * We all make mistakes; doing RC patrol, I once reverted and warned someone for signing a user space guest book without realizing it was a guest book intended for people to sign. Another admin, just today, accidentally deleted about 100 pages created by an innocent user because they misclicked and thought they were mass-deleting the pages of someone else. We just need to do the best we can, keep working to improve the encyclopedia, and hope our mistakes are never bad enough to earn spot at the Village stocks. Monty  <sub style="color:#A3BFBF;">845  02:14, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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Gender pronoun for Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry
As an FYI, regarding your use of "themselves" in your comment at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Sockpuppet investigation block/Proposed decision, User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry self-identifies on his user page with a presumably male name, "Richard". There is a series of templates such as them that can be used to automatically generate the user's preferred gender pronoun. So if you use, that will generate "themself"  If you use that same template with my bot, who has not specified a gender,  , it will generate "themself". If you use it with an editor who has self-identified as female, e.g., it will generate "themself". --B (talk) 16:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Monty845. Thank you for your attention on the article. Are you also going to deal with the socks? I smell a duck. I was about to make a report. Optakeover (Talk)  15:18, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
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