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 * And another option was posted later by DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 16:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Have some fun building your userpage
Howdy, Montykillies. An experienced editor called Pluma created a page of fun stuff(<=click on it) for his adoptees. Even though he's too busy to adopt any new members right now, you're welcome to check out and learn from the page. Building your userpage is great practice in editing. You may want to add as your first userbox. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 17:12, 3 March 2013 (UTC) PS: You can even add to add the following add to your page:

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Its Montykillies again. I have my stupid cap on as far as this ✅ task is concerned. When I go to the GOCE page, I am lost as to what to do. Everyone says put it at the top of the page. My question is What page and how? Do you mean the article page? If so do I open the page article to edit and add ✅ to the top of the text area of the article? Or do I open the talk section to edit and add the ✅ to the top of that text area? Or on the GOCE page do I do something else to some other page. Obviously I am clueless as what to do and need your help. I am not a software type but I am a good troubleshooter and can usually figure out how to fix my mistakes. In this case I do not want to jump in and create a mess. Last night after an hour of frustration, I just put it aside and went on to edit two more articles. I hope you will lead this trained bear to the ball so we can play the new game with step by step instructions! Thanks Montykillies (talk) 18:13, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, MontyKillies. Your confusion is my fault.  Based on my misinterpretation of your first question, I thought that you were working on the GOCE requests page rather than from the larger articles needing copy edit list.  Using the  or  and ✅ templates only applies if you are working on articles in the GOCE Requests page.  I see that there's also a new template on the GOCE templates page to put on the requestor's talk page to say that the edit was completed.


 * When you're working from the articles needing copy edit list, you can't add the in progress, woring or done tags to that list because it's a category listing, not a normal Wikipedia page. The articles needing copyedit list is created by software that finds all of the  tags added at the top of articles and then lists a link to those pages alphabetically.  To show that you completed a copyedit from the list, delete the  tag from the top of the article page.  Don't add a ✅ tag; that could confuse readers who aren't editors and would clutter up the article.  When the software that creates the articles needing copyedit list runs again and no longer sees the  tag on an article, it will no longer include it in the list.  After you complete the copyedit and remove the  tag, go to the article's talk page and add the    template to the bottom of the list of WikiProjects (if any).  A    template for you would look like  (the date you complete the edit).  Click on the blue  for more detail and some optional parameters that aren't used all the time.


 * Hope this clears things a bit. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER 14:10, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

GOCE (2)
Hi Montykillies. Thanks for your participation in the GOCE drive. I saw your question about the done tag at the Teahouse, and I've noticed that you had some difficulties with the GOCE drive page too, so I thought I'd come and see if I can offer you any help. First, some questions you've raised: In addition, please would you accept a few general pointers: Sorry if this is rather a lot to take in, but I hope it will help you. I'll keep you talk page on my watchlist for a few days, so if you have any questions, just reply here and I'll see it. Kind regards, --Stfg (talk) 13:51, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The way to find the documentation for a template you want to find out about, say a template called foo, is to type Template:foo in the search box.
 * I guess you've discovered by now that we don't put done on articles, only on project and talk pages in answer to requests, task lists and so on.
 * If you want to mark an article as in use while you copy edit it, you can put the template GOCEinuse at the top of the page, which places a banner there when you save the edit. This reduces the risk of edit conflicts, although occasionally people overlook the banner (very annoying when it happens). Don't use the working tag on articles -- like done, it's for use on project pages. Please remember to remove the GOCEinuse template when you've finished your work.
 * Wikipedia has a huge Manual of Style, which consists of a very large main page and several linked pages on specific subjects. It's massive, and nobody is expected to read it before they start, but if you could have a quick look at the Simplified Manual of Style, which is very short and summarises the main points, it would help you avoid the commonest problems.
 * The GOCE Requests page is used by people who are investing considerable effort in advancing articles they are interested in to a higher standard, and these people often invest huge amounts of time. So it's important that we bring skill and experience to these. Until you are ready for this, I would advise you to stick to articles from the cleanup categories listed near the top of the GOCE drive page (and several other GOCE pages).
 * You need to take care to follow instructions. You created sections all over the place on the drive page, and it took me around an hour to figure out what needed fixing this morning. If you had followed the instructions in the Signing up section of the drive page, and used the click button, none of that would have happened. You also need to check out how to get the word counts for your articles. The instructions are on the main drives page, here.
 * The main jobs of a copy editor are to correct grammar and spelling and to improve writing style to be "encyclopedic". Encyclopedic style is objective, avoids excessive redundancy, and especially avoids editorializing. Changing "Amguri is famous for it's surrounding tea gardens ..." into "Amguri is famous for it's beautiful tea gardens ...", for example, is a mistake: beautiful is a subjective judgement; the apostrophe needed removing from it's. Some words to watch that are often examples of redundancy are "located", "also", and the in order part of "in order to". We don't write in the first person (see this edit to Plaiaundi, where I corrected an instance of that.

Hi Stfg; I welcome the comments. I know I have been kinda like a bull in a china shop to start. I will slow down and try not to step over the line so much. But it is hard for me to find out how to get things accomplished, so in the process I make mistakes, some of which I am then unable to fix. As I mentioned in my comments at the Teahouse I have no training as an editor but I will learn as I go along. I trust you and the other senior editors will keep me between the curbs. Just last night I read the note about running the page count script. I have no idea how to do that. I will look around today and see if I can figure it out, because these type things are not always obvious to me. RegardsMontykillies (talk) 17:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi again. Glad to learn that it's all right. Don't worry about being bold -- it's encouraged. If you have trouble with the page count script, just reply here again and I'll help you. (Oh, by the way: to start a new paragraph you need to hit newline twice, so that you see a complete blank line in the edit window.) Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Stfg: I finally got the page/word count script to work. It took a couple of tries. But now I have a question. I looked at the Kollapur article which indicated a count of 1055 (in green) after I finished the article. The script gave some confusing numbers. The edit just before mine gave a number of 7355 and mine a number of 5977. First, is this correct? (I assume the smaller word numbers are meaningless). Does this make my real count 1378 and why did the count go negative? Also, what is the source of the difference? The way the software counts or is it just the structure of the editing? I spent some time re-reading the style manual today. The "beautiful" insert was just an aberration" (I hope). Best Regards, Montykillies (talk) 23:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. The version of the article before you start is the important one. The relevant line for that version reads:
 * Prose size (text only): 5976 B (964 words) "readable prose size"
 * Here, the "5976 B" is the number of bytes, which you ignore. The key number is the "964 words". This would normally be the number to use in your listing on the drive page. However, in this case the page size tool failed to count the "Jupally Krishna Rao ..." paragraph because it was indented, so we'll add its 29 words to the count. Thus your word count for this article is 993 words.


 * The fact that the difference is negative doesn't matter, because we aren't counting how much you changed the size of the article. We're just counting the size of the task you were faced with, as measured by the number of words before you started it. Does this help?


 * One last thought, if I may. That 29-word paragraph read:
 * J. Krishna Rao Garu aged 50 years, resident of Peddadagada Village, Weepanagandla Mandal of Kollapur Assembly Segment Mahabubnagar, a visionary and a committed political person with a clean canvass before him about the perspectives and the future activities.
 * You somewhat elaborated it. In the light of the consideration about encyclopedic tone being objective, would you like to reconsider what you would do with a paragraph like that? --Stfg (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi: That paragraph was too much at the time. I will go back and make it into an encyclopedic style issue. Montykillies (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Just delete it. It says nothing that belongs in an encyclopedia. People who write about their beloved villages often feel the need to flatter the Great Man. It's only puffery. --Stfg (talk) 00:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Stfg: Another question about Kollapur. The section about the modern personalities, you can tell the author is obviously pandering somewhat. I hate to just cut out the whole section. Would you edit out the kissi-face stuff and leave the factual data? Or just cut it? I did eliminate the one small section about the one "main man" because there was not enough data to make it into something sensible or usable. Regards and thanks again for the continuing help! Montykillies (talk) 02:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I'm the lead coordinator for the GOCE, and I thought I'd help out a bit here.  Almost all of the material about Jupally Krishna Rao in the politics section is peacock language, which we almost always try to avoid.  A big warning sign is if there is that type of language that does cite any sources.  It is, as you noted, clearly written by a devotee of the man and not appropriate for an encyclopedia.  I cut basically everything except for the fact that he is from the region.  On a related note, I was looking at your edit to Amguri, and I see a few points I wanted to mention. You really shouldn't add puff words like "beautiful" and "productive" to the text, as you did in the geography section unless you are, perhaps, quoting a source.  Generally we try to keep the language as neat as possible, aiming for brevity and clarity.  Those words don't really give the reader any useful information, which should be the goal. Similarly, you changed "Many other educational institutes" to "Many other varied educational institutes", and that extra word doesn't really add anything; in fact I would have trimmed "many" from the phrase myself, as many is a vague and subjective word that again doesn't really tell us anything.I would advise going back over all the articles you've worked on so far and reading through them again carefully, as I've looked at a few of them and there are still some problems with grammar, punctuation, and spelling in places. Feel free to ask more questions here, as I will also watch your talk page for a while to help. —Torchiest talkedits 03:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the tips. I was in fact, planning to go over all the articles I have done so far to do the very things you mention, as I know I put some of those type entries in some of the articles, so we are on the same page here. Now that I have a better idea of what not to include etc, I think I can produce a better product. In adding the 'puff' words I was trying to make the product more interesting. I see now that was the wrong path to take. Best Regards Montykillies (talk) 04:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi again!!. I just finished a clean up edit of Amguri. I would appreciate it if one of you would take a look at it in the next day or two and let me know if it is closer to the mark. Thanks Montykillies (talk) 05:39, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

One more time before I hit the hay: I just did a quick edit on Ali Sher Khan Anchan and if one of you has the time, I would appreciate a quick review of that one too. It's tiny, so It will only take a few seconds. A sidenote for Stfg: I removed Zenbooks from my edit copy list becaue of the doubts about the quality of the copy edit. I thought it read better afterwards, but I was not looking at it with a technical eye at the moment. If the weasel comment was meant for me, that's cool! I should copy it and put it up by my PC as a trophy! If they want to back out of what I did, my feelings won't be hurt. I didn't come out of Vietnam alive to have my feelings hurt by some minor comments! regards Montykillies (talk) 09:06, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hehe, I like "kissi-face"! Yes, that stuff in Kollapur should go (Torchiest has already done it). I've just removed the Controversy section too, as it was preaching. I checked Amguri and Ali Sher Khan Anchan as you asked and they are great now. Well done. You didn't need to remove Zenbook from the your article list. I reviewed and checked it recognising that you had exercised due diligence. Re-editing and commenting are meant to advise, not to criticize. Please do restore it to your article list if you'd like to. The "weasel" comment in an edit summary came from another editor, not me, but it's not personal. His edit summary linked to Manual of Style/Words to watch, which I recommend reading as it's anyway quite an entertaining write-up. Even if you just read its lead section and the examples in the yellow boxes there, it's useful. Best, --Stfg (talk) 11:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello again: I did a second edit on Lunawada and cut out some excess stuff. Please let me know your thoughts as I redo these articles. Thanks & Regards Montykillies (talk) 23:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The job you did on Lunawada is excellent. I won't be needing to check on any more of your copy edits as you've picked this up really well. I'll keep this page on my watchlist for another couple of days in case you have any specific questions. After that I'll drop it, as I like to keep my watchlist very short, but you'll always be welcome at my talk page if you have questions (or if you see me doing anything wrong). Kind regards, --Stfg (talk) 10:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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