User talk:Moonbeamlights

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 Sincerely, Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 18:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pdebee&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Welcome_to_Wikipedia/user-talk_preload (Leave me a message)] Español

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Category:Lyrics Of Two
Hi, the category Category:Lyrics Of Two was nominated for deletion here. No one objected to its deletion, so it was deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:19, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I have replaced it several times and said to stop deleting it as it is hindering pages growth. As well as throwing off other wiki page connected to it. This edit is not at all helping with the development of the page. And not giving enough time for other articles to be added to it.-Moonbeamlights


 * How much content is there that can be added to the category? There is a policy that material that gets re-created after it was deleted via a formal nomination can be deleted immediately. Perhaps since there was no participation in that discussion we could re-nominate it if you want to explain why you think it should be kept. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:48, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

-Hello,the category was linked to other wiki pages and still in development as photos and corresponding information would still be added by other parties. The formal nomination to delete the page is uncalled for and just vandalism as it does not have merit and doesn't help with the development of the page or other pages rather it stops from it’s improvement. Perhaps focusing on misinformed pages would be better rather than pages still in development.-Moonbeamlights


 * The nomination of the category and my actions are not vandalism. Please read the definition of what WP:VANDALISM is. There is an element of intent to vandalism—it has to be a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia. That is not my intent and was not the intent of the nominator, so stop accusing users of it, please. I'm still not clear on what content exists that could have been added to the category by other users? We don't create category based on anticipated need in the future. What is the actual current need? Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

-Your constant removal of a page is deliberate and is considered disruptive editing. It is not accusing if it is a fact that before the page could be entered it was deleted like a competition. all of this is not for the benefit of the page rather it is for disruption. Also it was nominated doesn't mean the nomination has merit. This page was connected to other wiki pages and threw off the other pages as I received messages. Before enter could be pressed it was deleting several times this is not a competition it is a knowledge page. And my opposition to the nomination was erased so that is also not in good fate, both sides should be heard. If what is being done is fair the opposing comments will not be erased.Anyway there is a log of all the activity, it can be seen.

Blocking the category is not hurting me, it is preventing the creation of a page of information about a third party, The manner in which you behaved since yesterday completely unacceptable, you are following me and my projects and ruining my work. Why block a category that is not offensive or intrusive etc. completely unprofessional.-Moonbeamlights
 * Hi again Moonbeamlights. I would suggest that you tone the rhetoric down a notch. What I have done is not vandalism, nor is it disruptive editing. I am fulfilling responsibilities of an administrator on Wikipedia. Your comments have been removed from the discussion page multiple times because the discussion has been closed, and users are asked to not add any more comments after they have been closed. To retain your comment, I moved your first one to the talk page, here. If you object to the category being deleted and would like this decision reviewed, there is a way to do that: use WP:DRV. Thanks for your understanding. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Your speedy deletions are disruptive and not in good fate. you couldn't not wait until the page was reassembled to delete it again, like a competition. And you never once contacted me in the process of doing so. The page was still in development. As I was created the page I got a notice that there is a second person was editing the page because you were already deleting it with out even considering that it was still in development, hence disruptively editing. Basic logic it has nothing to do with terminology.Clearly the page was not offensive or wrong why would you feel the need to delete it in a repetitive and speedy manner before its completion. Anyone can edit a page on wikipedia but it shovel be done in good fate. It is vandalizing because it was not done in good fate, and it threw off the other wiki pages connected to it. What responsibilities are you fulfilling when you are not considering the work being done by others and just deleting it without consent or waiting to see the final outcome. it is nothing personal these are knowledge pages, to provide info. Also these are not our own pages we shouldn't be playing with other people information like that.I took time out of my day, and put a lot of work into recreating the page over and over again because in a second it was deleted by you by pressing a button, completely unfair.-MoonBeamLights.


 * OK, I've had it trying to discuss this with you. Despite what you believe, I was acting in good faith—or good "fate"—however you want to put it, and it wasn't vandalism. The fact that a different administrator than me has blocked future creation of the same category should be a sign to you that perhaps I am not off-base with what I have been trying to communicate to you. A smidgen of humility is often helpful when first learning how the administrative side of a wiki website works. Throwing out allegations of vandalism show a lack of that. I've tried to be kind and explain things to you, but it's evident that you don't want to hear it. Good luck to you, Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Blocking the creation of a category about a third party is not hurting me. You are preventing the creation of pages. The manner in which you have behaved since yesterday is unacceptable. You re following me around on various projects and ruining anything I touch. I am very busy for this back and forth but I will say that the person who is most unreasonable here is you, this is not a competition.Also if the page was already deleting and not reposted why would it be blocked? Highly suspicious.-Moonbeamlights


 * OK, if my behaviour is so suspicious and unacceptable, I encourage you to report me. I suspect that page was blocked from re-creation because it was being repeatedly re-created after being deleted via a formalised Wikipedia process, but you'd have to ask the administrator who did it. Incidentally, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say I'm following you around on various projects and ruining anything you touch. To my knowledge I've had nothing to do with anything you have edited apart from this category and the corresponding article Lyrics Of Two. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:58, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

The page was only recreated because it kept being deleted by you without a single attempt to contact me about it during the time of the deletions. I am new to this and really didn't know about the discussion, I thought it was someone messing with wikipedia, because as I was working on it to submit I received messages that two people can’t be editing a page at the same time. The hold or block is unreasonable because that page was not being recreated upon realization of the issue. I don’t want this to create issues for the people we are creating pages for as it is only out of well wishes that we do and it is not my information to deal with I don't want to cause issues to others as they may need to use their name in the future. You only had to tell me about it I would not have created the same page again until the problem was solved. Once you spoke to me and I realized that there was some sort of issue I did not recreate it as tried to figure out the problem. How can I have that hold removed? Frankly I do not wish to create the page any longer as I have other interests, but I don't want to leave issues for others, I want to clear this up before moving on.-Moonbeamlights.

Creating your 'User page'
Dear Moonbeamlights,

Please find, in the section I've added at the top of this page, one of the Welcome templates which will give you some initial tips on how to find your way around the system as an editor, such as signing your posts on talk pages by using four tildes ( ~ ). Another convention is that we indent successive posts into talk pages by adding an extra colon (:) each time; you can find this explained in more detail at WP:THREAD. There's quite a bit to get used to at first, but I would suggest that you take the time to follow the links in the Welcome! section above and you'll get familiar with these simple things soon enough! I would also suggest that you visit your User page (top left tab, next door to this 'Talk' page tab), which is still appearing in red. As you will see when you get there, it currently says "Creating User:Moonbeamlights" because you haven't actually created it yet; but all you need to do is simply enter some text (anything) and click the Save page button; your user page will then be created and appear in blue from then on. Once you've done that, you'll be able to personalize it to your heart's content later on, and you could look at any other editor's user page to see the many different ways of doing that. In any case, I wish you well and, once again: Welcome! With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 18:48, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Patrick,
 * Thank you so much for your kind welcome. It is very much appreciated. It is so nice when someone takes time out of there day so make someone feel happy. I read in your description that you are an editor here on wikipedia. I would like to ask you a question about a concern I have if I may? As you can see above there has been a misunderstanding with another editor. I am new here and I didn't know that about a discussion there had been about removing a category I was working on. Consequently, when I saw that the category was no longer there I decided to recreate it, but while doing so it was getting deleted over and over again without any attempt to speak to me as to why. I thought it was someone like a troll messing around on wikipedia, because as I was creating the page they were speedily deleting it, I even received a message from wikipedia that two people cant be editing a page at the same time. I unknowingly continued to recreate the category until the other editor finally contacted me and told me in general why they had been removing the page, and that it was because there was no opposition on the discussion of removing it. After hearing from the editor the page was never recreated, but it had been blocked on creating it in the future. I no longer wish to work on that page because I have other interests to tend to but I don't want that block to remain on the name of that page because I don't want silly disputes causing harm to a third party. These people may want to use their band name to create a category page or may need it, it should be free for them to use. I was creating the page out of well wishing but turned out to be the opposite. I don't want these people to be a victim of a misunderstanding between two other people. How can I have the block removed? Sorry for making this long, but it is very frustrating.
 * Thank you very much!- Moonbeam lights


 * Dear Moonbeamlights,
 * Thank you for making contact and for your reply.
 * As our colleague explained in his first edit above, the category Category:Lyrics Of Two was nominated for deletion here. As I am assuming you've already followed that link, you will know that the reason for its deletion was: "Category not needed for single article, per WP:SMALLCAT."
 * I have just looked at the article on Lyrics Of Two and can see why the consensus turned out against the creation of that category, since there is only that single article related to this band on Wikipedia. The article itself lists a number of singles (none of which is the subject of a separate article) and no album(s) so far.
 * In summary, I would conclude that our colleagues were quite correct in their assessment, in that there really isn't any need for a category at this early stage, and there wouldn't be any point in creating one until there are more Wikipedia articles created for this band's albums, for example.
 * I can certainly understand your frustration, but please don't be dispirited about this. When I joined as a newbie editor, I was very keen (just like you are ) to improve an article about an artist I admire, and I didn't really have a clue about how to do things around here until an experienced editor pointed me in the right direction. After a short period of familiarization, I began to understand how best to proceed and I gradually became more aware of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies, which were developed over time for the harmonious maintenance of our encyclopedia.
 * Therefore, please allow me to offer the simple advice that you concentrate on something else; for example, on learning basic things like signing your posts with the four tildes ( ~ ), or indenting successive posts with increased numbers of colons as I have demonstrated in the present section (per WP:THREAD), or many other editorial skills you would glean from following the links featured in the Welcome! section I added at the top of your talk page today, and in this section also (about creating your user page). I daresay that, if you resolved to apply yourself to learning and doing these simple things for a few hours, you would soon become more aware of the etiquette that will make you a productive editor here, for your benefit as well as that of our fellow editors and, ultimately, our readers.
 * In the end, it's really up to you and I hope this helped for now. Thank you once again for your interest in contributing to our encyclopedia, and please know you have my very best wishes.
 * With kind regards;
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 21:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the response Patrick. You have made it very clear for me, now I understand what the situation.I will certainly take your advice, but for now I am focused on other things than wikipedia since there is a lot to learn and I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I do not wish to continue with the subject as i have other interests. But my only concern is that because on my inexperience and the lack of communication from the editor prior to the multiple deletions, ther is now a block on the name. I feel bad because that name isn't mine to play around with and it's block may cause problems for the band or other editors to use in the future, as a fan I wanted to further develop the page. They are a great band I don't want to cause them distress in any way. How can I have the block removed? I want to clear things up before moving on from this.-Moonbeamlights.


 * Dear Moonbeamlights,
 * Thank you for your prompt reply. There really is no reason for you to feel bad: you have not done any harm to our encyclopedia, nor to the band, in any way.
 * Please take a deep breath, relax, and believe me when I say that there is no need for anyone to create that category, until there are more articles related to this band on Wikipedia . Just let it go, OK?...
 * By all means, concentrate on something else for now, and I remain available to help when you have the time and are ready to learn. For example, I look forward to seeing you sign your posts with the four tildes ( ~ ), instead of typing your user name every time...
 * With kind regards;
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 22:25, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note also how I have indented our latest posts by increasing the number of colons (':') every time.


 * Thank you so very much for providing me with such a clear and helpful explanation. I am very grateful for your kindness and help. I am now relaxed in knowing that all is well, and everything is ::::in place. It was very nice meeting you and I hope this signature and smiley turns out well as I give it a try   Moonbeamlights (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2016 (UTC) 


 * Dear Moonbeamlights,
 * I am pleased to see a signature, but you  only  need to enter the four tildes:  ~ , and  nothing else .
 * In other words: you didn't need to enter: ...    ... before the four tildes, and you also didn't need to enter: ...    ... after the four tildes. Hope it's clear now.
 * With kind regards;
 * Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 23:20, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that you also need to add another colon (':') every time you add a new post.