User talk:Moondyne/Archive 11

Howdy!
Recently I was welcoming new users, and well welcomed a user who later was found to be a sock puppet, anyway, you mentioned that you could reset wikipedia account passwords. I was intrigued, as if you reset the account password, and the user has no email enabled would that mean you would lose access to you account? (note: this is not in regard to what you did, I ask in a general case). Also is this ability accessable to admins or does one need to be a 'Crat? Oh and it's nice to meet you. :) Phgao 21:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Transfering account
I want to lend this account (Roded86400) to someone, with hurdred of conibutions. 219.68.144.111 16:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I want to take a more better account for exchange.Coaldump1020 16:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you're talking about, but suspect its something to do with the blocking of User:Roded86400. &mdash;Moondyne 01:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

So much for getting off
I had meant to give an explanation as to why there need to be separate articles - trans is the track, pacific is the train - but i havent looked closely enough at them - been embroiled or bioled elsewhere - will get back more clearly as to why tommorrow - cheers SatuSuro 15:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I suggest nobody touches anything now until it is settled. Otherwise it would be waste of time for everybody involded The Wild West guy 15:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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Commons picture
I thought you may like to look at on Commons. I uploaded it after making huge changes (all I took from another website was the outline of Australia - which I cut down to Western Australia) regarding our conversation earlier regarding map copyrights. The outline's purpose was actually geological surveys, nothing to do with WIN licensing. Auroranorth 12:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Auroranorth 12:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Woah, what's up?
Just saw this edit...considering you started the project, what's up with that? Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 09:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, cool. If you're ever in the mood for copyediting an Australian music article, give me a yell :p Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 07:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply - thank you for your appreciation!
Thank you for your kind words, if you remember them! Im glad if anyone appreciated the articles i wrote when i was active here on Wikipedia. I wrote about things i'm interested in and that are hard to find if you can't read my language, as i would like to read about these things from country's whos language i can't read! I'm sorry, but it does not seem i will return. I liked participating to wikipedia, but it took valuable time from what i really should be doing, and it is easy to be adictive. But as a thank you for your appreciation, i will write, or, at least start, some articles today. I can't promise they will all be that good, but at least they will be an entry for others who perhaps have the knowledge to finnish them, and i will provode sources (swedish ones, i'm sorry!) for them to be finnished, and leave them to wikipedia! Once again, thank you for appreciation! If i do return to wikipedia someday, i promise i will contact you. --Aciram 13:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

After much work...
Yay... probably the only place anywhere which has this information in present form :P The source for most of it was David Black but I found a few errors, so those have been rectified. Now I've just got to decide exactly what form they'll take - I can imagine the best way to do it would involve quite a few redirects as in some cases the electorate was really just renamed or in some other way is a direct follow-on. The early Goldfields/Murchison electorates can probably be dealt with in a single article, I'm thinking. Any ideas are welcome (that goes for anyone else reading this too :) Orderinchaos 11:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there from your residential random checking device - yes indeed - goldfields trade unions (or onions if you prefer) is a long projected article which may eventually see sunrise next year the way things are going :| - so if you are doing goldfields electorates - i for one would be most interested - as it would link to the goldfields unions for sure - greetings fellows met in the night - off to the next random edit SatuSuro 13:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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Break
back in a few days. &mdash;Moondyne 05:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Intermittent only for the next few weeks. &mdash;Moondyne 03:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The Ashes
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Howdy Moondyne. Sorry to disturb you, but I feel that this article is a long way from FA standards and needs some attention.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Todt
No, thank you! I had other plans for last night, but on seeing you'd returned to bestow upon us a plant article, I was inspired to write Emil Todt. The only reference I had to hand was Hall (1979) which said that nothing is known of him except that he illustrated some of Mueller's Atlas of Eucalypts. That was in essence my first draft, and I was doubtful if the man was notable enough for the article to survive. Just before I posted I googled him, and discovered a vast amount of biographical information. Hesperian 00:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

MPs list
Yeah, there's no need for the created articles page anymore, as categories make that obvious. It really could do with a tidy, so that would be great if you have the chance. Rebecca 05:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Happy 1st Edit Day
 Pat Politics rule!  02:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

John McDonald (Australian politician)
''Adam's list says he was a Senator. Does your source confirm that? Perhaps he's a namesake. History of West Australia is pre-1901. &mdash;Moondyne 05:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll check B&B tonight, but I find it exceedingly hard to believe I wouldn't have included that if it was there. Plus the senator was a "Mac" not a "Mc", and was for Queensland when our McDonald was living in Victoria. Hesperian 05:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I said "for" not "from". Psephos told me. Hesperian 06:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Sheedy (Irish footballer)
It seems you've been incorrectly redirecting some instances of Kevin Sheedy (Irish footballer) to Kevin Sheedy (Australian footballer). Please go back and make corrections as necessary. Thank you. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. It will become clear when you look at each of the articles in question. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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AFD determination
Could you please give a ruling on Articles for deletion/Eponimous it would appear relatively straight forward - no-one else seems interested in the debate and I was wondering if someone could close the matter for me. Thnx Dan arndt 08:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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Block durations
Whilst i do not agree with his actions, i think like a 48-hr block would have been more appropriate, but i trust your judgement, and i didnt look at all of the "incidents". It sucks to be an admin at times like these. Obviously, i do recall him engaging in some "bad activities" but under the blocking policy i dont think hes ever like wrongfully accused someone of vandalism. Then on the other hand, you could claim it was disruptive, and well we all seem to think hes done that before. I think to get the issue across a 48-hr block would have been enough, but 7 days isnt excessive. Im not going to pursue the matter, because if i were in your position, i wouldnt like it. You are doing what you think is best, and the community trusts you. Twenty Years 15:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to butt in, but I looked at the warnings and the editing diffs from the new users. As an independent (non-Australia projects) editor, those warnings were indeed disruptive. Considering the user in question, I think the block was completely justified. Unfortunately, based on my past interactions with Auroranorth, I doubt it will be enough. IvoShandor 15:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In no way did i say that they werent. A block is justified and there is no doubt about that, its the length that was the issue. Twenty Years 15:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Cricket articles
Hi, I just noticed that a template you created, Template:Cricket articles, is unused and appears to be abandoned. I've marked it as deprecated, meaning it'll be deleted in two weeks' time if nobody objects. If there's a reason to keep it please leave a note at Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates and feel free to remove the deprecated tag from the template. Thanks. Bryan Derksen 09:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Deleted. &mdash;Moondyne 09:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Bradman graph
Yes, my chart could easily mislead I suppose. I don't mind either way which is used. Perhaps it's a good idea to bring it up at either WP:CRICKET or at Talk:Donald Bradman to see what the community think. Thanks for letting me know! The Rambling Man 10:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

?
My curiosity a few weeks back made me take a drive out Chidlow, Western Australia, and I can report that the site is a vacant paddock, and despite the impression given in the article, it is a planned community only  - they have geunuinely done more than that in their dealings with the mundaring shire and other bodies - it mightnt show in the paddock though :) - you should have called in! :| I could have given you an off wiki version of it all :(  SatuSuro 06:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Robert Young (longevity claims researcher)
Why am I here? Because I respect your opinion. And in regards to this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Young_%28longevity_claims_researcher%29

I see it as a case already for 'deletion review.' Why? Because I'm being judged on being an 'academic,' which is not the current claim to 'notability.' I claim to be notable as an expert on the world's oldest people, which has been recognized through Guinness World Records, BBC, CNN, etc.

Now, let me say this: the very field of gerontology is 'fairly new'. The Gerontology Society of America only started in 1945. The very gerontology department at Georgia State University only started in 1973. Further, I find it incredulous to judge me based on 'academic' accomplishment, for several reasons:

1. I was well-known BEFORE I enrolled in the current program. I am a pioneer. One of my classes had an article with me in it.

2. The field I'm in is very new for academia, but is primed for growth. A search for the word 'supercentenarian' in Academic Search Premier shows that all nine articles date to the 2000's. And while there were a few mentions prior as 'super-centenarians' in the 1970's, that earlier movement didn't really take off. This one is. In the past seven years, the governments of major countries such as the USA, France, etc have moved to fund research in this area.

To be fair, OK, if this article is deleted, it's not the end of the world. But if every biography in the English Wikipedia were held to this standard being employed here, half would be gone. Guitarists in minor rock bands, minor college football players, etc are littered across Wikipedia. And to claim 'local fame' when I'm cited internationally is really unfair. Ryoung122 15:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Kimberly
Please can you have a look in your copy of Kimberly, specifically pages 242-3 and 290, to see whether there is any material worth adding to Lacepede Islands? Hesperian 13:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Hesperian 03:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Food for thought
  Click there to open your card! → → → Dearest , "In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields."

&mdash;John McCrae  On Remembrance Day (or Armistice Day - Veterans Day in the US) we remember those soldiers who sacrificed their lives so their countries could live in freedom. We use poppies to remember the blood shed by soldiers in Flanders Fields, a major European battleground. The poem In Flanders Fields was written during World War I but Remembrance Day commemorates all lives lost to war, especially after the first of the World Wars. The observance is not to glorify war but to remember those who suffered. Very few people remained untouched by the effects of World War I.

Memorial services held today often include the Ode of Remembrance. The ode finishes with these words:  We will remember them. Auroranorth 04:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Supernaut
Good pick-up - am slowly populating the list - thanks for the help. Dan arndt 07:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that's showing your age :D - Dan arndt 08:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Shirley Strickland
Er, some of her categories seem a bit contentious, don't they. For one thing, being an unsuccessful candidate hardly qualifies one as a politician. (Or does it?) Then, the article says the cause of Shirley's death is "unascertainable". So why second-guess the coroner twice with speculative ailments. I've heard separate speculations including self-harm, but accept the coroner's more open opinion. (Do we have a category of unascertainale deaths?!) Also (pout, pout) --why can't Aussies have 'medallists', not 'medalists'? Cheers Bjenks 15:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it to you. But I saw somewhere it was OK for correct English to be used in non-US articles! Cheers Bjenks 16:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
I'm pretty sure that last change means your talkheader will get bot-archived, rather than this talk page. Hesperian 02:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just pondering that possibility. Thanks. &mdash;Moondyne 02:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Not yet
Back from the dead computers - still tapping away in very very weird internet cafes in the city - worthy of an essay on the weirdness of life and backpackers with great accents :| SatuSuro 01:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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Tagging articles
Moondyne, you are doing a great job in tagging Australian related bios, but could you please remember to add to them as well? Thanks. Miranda 06:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey. &mdash;Moondyne 06:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, to the living ones...:-D Miranda 06:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ian Chappell
Hi. I have nominated this article for FA and I would be appreciative of any comments you have to make at FAC. Cheers Phanto282 09:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Oversight
Very much so. both should be mid importance. the list of NSW schools is slightly different to other states in that there is about 6 lists making up one large one. What was meant to happen is the private and public get high, the other 4 get mid. Thanks for the note. Twenty Years 15:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine. Good work. &mdash;Moondyne 15:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibly it is a little too late for me to be on here. Got the last one tomorrow :) Twenty Years 15:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment
There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Micro/macro
It seems that Apollo is continuing to revert to microeconomic only, he is unable to accept including both micro and macro, and from his insistance on this single version and accepting no compromises, I think he is going to continue to insist on his specific version. I would appreciate some authority to be used with his continual reverts with absolutely no compromise taken on board from me, or offered by him. Timeshift 06:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I haven't broken 3RR, and he has. But thankyou anyway for the warning. Timeshift 06:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't care whether you have or haven't to the letter of 3RR. What is happening is disruptive editing and that will earn a block regardless. &mdash;Moondyne 07:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm the one making all the concessions. He is insisting on one version and one version only. And has broken 3RR. Sigh. Timeshift 07:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Have pity
on a poor wikistalker and link to your new articles in your /Contributions diffs. Currently, if I see something that interests me, I have to examine the diff, find the link on the page, and click on it. (But credit where credit is due: at least you name the article; Cas's edit summary is invariably "another".) Hesperian 07:13, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * For you, I will try harder. At least someone is watching... Although, as the stalkee it is my duty to make you do a bit of work. &mdash;Moondyne 07:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of international cricketers called for throwing
List of international cricketers called for throwing, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of international cricketers called for throwing satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/List of international cricketers called for throwing and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of List of international cricketers called for throwing during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 22:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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Mark John Currie
Thank you for the image of Crawley Bay (14 Nov 2007) The article on the Harvey River mentions 'Captain Mark Collie' and links to 'Mark John Currie'. Should it refer and link to Dr 'Alexander Collie'? Apuldram (talk) 15:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Bill Lawry
Hi there Moondyne. We still use caps for Fifth and Sixth Tests I think. Also, if you have a spare minute can you take a look at Arthur Morris? I have had a few complaints at FAC from two American reviewers who think that the article is a bit too technical.. I'm not sure how to act on that one though, unless I engage in hyperbole (not good, obviously),  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 04:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Some personal opinions.
1st off, I believe if Carcharoth wants to get Robert unblocked, he should be going to Maxim instead of BrownHairedGirl since it was Maxim who blocked Robert.

And secondly, BrownHairedGirl made it so only admins can post on RYoung122's talk page. Her intent wasn't to make it so regular users can't post on his talk, but mainly so Robert cannot post on his talk (at least as far as I know). I guess, logically, by doing that, she would have to weigh in on the fact that other non-admins that may want to post on his talk page cannot.

On the other hand, I may not know what gain she gets from preventing Robert to post on his talk.

1 alternate suggestion to that is request a way for admins to block users from posting on their own talk page (an option). Perhaps we could request that. If you want to request that I'd support that as well. Otherwise people like me would just have to find other means to post if we wanted to post on his talk. Neal (talk) 06:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC).


 * Neal, admins can protect a page so only established users can edit it or only admins can edit it. As RY is/was an established user, there was no point in using the 1st option as he was already circumventing the block by continuing to post stuff unrelated to his block on his talk page.  So option 2 was the correct protection option. &mdash;Moondyne 06:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, so I guess someone should have already pointed that Robert was by default violating his block by posting off-topic stuff in the first place. Hmm, perhaps you can inform Carcharoth of this, since no one seemed to brough this premise up. Neal (talk) 06:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC).

I thought I had asked Maxim earlier. I now see I was thinking of the StanPrimmer block. See here. Neal, if you want to post at User talk:Ryoung122, post a request at WP:ANI, and see if an uninvolved admin will agree to unprotecting the page to allow you to post there. Carcharoth (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No I don't think I will be doing that.

Anyways, I consider the situation between Robert and BrownHairedGirl to be just about over. Carcharoth's debate that BrownHairedGirl should remove the block for his talk page is pretty much finished since 1) she said the answer is no, and 2) Robert Young now has both Moondyne's and Carcharoth's e-mail. Therefore, if a 3rd or 4th admin were to post on his talk, he would have to consider e-mailing Robert and paste the e-mail conversation if that's the plan. Therefore, the only thing left is Maxim's block. In other words, there's no point to continue with the "appeal to BrownHairedGirl," except maybe she will re-block Robert Young if Robert is ever unblocked by Maxim or a committee.

As far as what BrownHairedGirl said about how does she feel about Robert ever getting unblocked, can I just point out that it's very possible for 2 users on Wikipedia that don't get along to not even have to deal with each other? Robert's interests and contributions on Wikipedia are very narrow: he contributes to supercentenarians. Suppose Robert joins or takes part in WikiProject: Ireland, then I'm sure chaos brakes lose between the 2 and ArbCom will have to settle everything in their everyday disputes. As far as what BrownHairedGirl said about Robert continuing to do is walled garden, 0 citations, and COI, etc. (after if he ever gets unblocked) - I'm sure she could send the meanest admins she could think of to have them watch over and bully RYoung122 about policy.

It seems that Carcharoth is the admin who was the most faith in Robert. And the fact that he is willing to work with Robert on some of the articles is a help. In other words, Carcharoth is Robert's last resort on Wikipedia (with the exception of ArbCom of course). Therefore, if Robert fails to get along with Carcharoth, then I would consider him to be a failed Wikipedia user. Neal (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC).

WA Inc.
I was thinking that it would be good to have maybe a paragraph about Burke's reign as Premier, and a couple of paragraphs about the WA Inc scandal to explain why he became persona non grata to begin with. I guess all I'd be looking for is just a short summary of the scandal, Burke and Grill's role in it, and the repercussions for them both. It doesn't really need much more than that, I think - anything else could go in WA Inc as a further information link. Rebecca (talk) 00:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Paul Keating
Like the refimprove tag, I don't believe the bias tag is needed either (Skyring/Pete seems to insist on it). No attempt has been made to fix supposed issues. I don't see any issues with the article, I think it is not biased, NPOV, and neutral. Your review and hopeful tag removal would be appreciated. Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 03:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Could you please explain more fully?
I see you deleted the old versions . Is this really the policy? What if it is necessary to access the older versions?

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, and for taking steps. Cheers!  Geo Swan (talk) 17:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

List of longest-serving members of the Australian Senate
Can you tableise and fix List of longest-serving members of the Australian Senate please. PMA (talk) 18:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - i just put in Ron Boswell because from July 1 next year he will be the longest serving member. PMA (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh my gosh
You know I am always keeping an eye out for online databases to add to my resources page. Here's one I don't think I'll be adding:

Have a look at http://www.toiletmap.gov.au/. It hosts The National Public Toilet Map, a component of the Australian federal government's National Continence Management Strategy. For those who like a personalised site, one can create a account with their "My Toilet Map" service.

I had to look thrice before deciding it was serious.

Hesperian 04:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, we even have an article on it - National Public Toilet Map --Melburnian (talk) 04:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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Barnes
Hi. Thanks for that! I found this charming image Any way we can have that? --Dweller (talk) 14:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Burke
Ta! I think that should be plenty of background. Rebecca (talk) 23:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Suicide Sid
Would you like for me to email you the article on Barnes i have and the images aswell? Twenty Years 02:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sent. Twenty Years 03:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Take two. Twenty Years 04:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for the chart. When we worked on Bradman, we excluded current players - one reason was because most (human - Bradman was a monster, in the nicest possible way) players experience a fall-off in performance before the end of their careers, making the comparison invidious, as with including the Andy Ganteaumes of this world, lol. --Dweller (talk) 13:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. &mdash;Moondyne 14:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Pun intended - you're a star, Moondyne. --Dweller (talk) 16:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Image Issues
I seriously doubt the image rationale of this image:, which was uploaded by a user who has had several issues with uploading images. I havent found that exact image on a website, but it is more than likely copied. What can we do? Twenty Years 11:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * this also appears to be another blaitant copyvio. this might also be one, but it could have been easily made by a student. Twenty Years 11:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks for the nuke. Twenty Years 12:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

One Day International
Hi, Moondyne! I've verified that most of the links you included in your request have been changed. What's bothering me is this one. I've checked a random sample of those and can't find a wikilink to "One Day Internationals" in the articles. I believe that a template I changed still hasn't propagated down to all the articles, but I'm not positive about that. In any case, besides that issue, they all seem to be done. Let me know if I can help with anything else! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Australia triple crown
Your Australian Majesty, I've adjusted the entries per your feedback. Best regards, Durova Charge! 04:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * with reference to my triple crown nom - Moondyne
 * DYK: Cadastral divisions of Australia (RA)
 * not mine, try East Perth Cemeteries. &mdash;Moondyne 04:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * GA: Convict era of Western Australia
 * not mine, try Dryandra Woodland. &mdash;Moondyne 04:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * FC: Arthur Morris (FAC) ; Australian national cricket captains (FLC)
 * AM is not mine. Thanks for the award and taking the time to help motivate the project. &mdash;Moondyne 04:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the corrections. Duly noted.  Durova Charge! 04:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies for the poor quality research - not quite sure what went wrong when lining up names and articles :-(--Matilda talk 05:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Bah - royalists! whatever happened to the good old australian republican spirit? :) - anyways youve outdone em all with your dyk's anyways :) SatuSuro 08:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wise Words
Thanks for the note on that, will probably leave the discussion alone, ive voiced my opinion, should give people some space to breathe. Cheers. Twenty Years 05:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If i am to use a newspaper article as a ref, which has three authors, in the cite book template, how do i get them all in there. This ref has only stated one of the three authors; the others being: Emma Robins and Dawn Gibson. Thanks. Twenty Years 06:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Further wise words
Been there - 21st story room at singapore hotel last week - will tell all on gmail some time - heheheh SatuSuro 08:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm
I'll have to think carefully about those other '5' who need them - and the criteria by which I was thinking aloud about at various places - not so easy when I realise by their very nature they are less recognisable by the crown criteria - cheers SatuSuro 22:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Drovers' Award
Better you hear it from me, and early, I suppose:

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Hesperian 00:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. &mdash;Moondyne 00:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :)
I really appreciate the award. I wasn't expecting anything :) Ta  Spebi  04:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

...and thanks from myself also. I guess a redesign of my userpage is in order shortly so that I can include a space to display all the shiny bits collected since being here :) -- Longhair\talk 07:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, especially as some North American has nominated Electoral district of Rylstone for deletion this morning, part of a set that I thought might be vaguley useful.--Grahame (talk) 03:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

And thanks again from me. 'Tis much appreciated, even though I've been inactive for a few months now. Your continuing efforts ought to be honoured also :)--cj | talk 07:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Gordon Vuong
I must apologize for not notifying you about that deletion nomination - I nominated it as a contested PROD, and told User:Matilda who contested the PROD, but forgot to check who had created the article initially. Sorry! --Stormie (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA
That's OK, I don't really mind. I don't want to participate in the actual RfA. Auroranorth (!) 12:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I like that guideline, thanks for showing me that. Auroranorth (!) 12:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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Bessie
There is unfortunately and interestingly no specific reference to standing in the mud at the narrows in the henrietta material (I can actually clearly remember the daily news and west photos and reports - sign of age eh?) - but well worth checking out if you havent done so already - havent got the time - but there is a wealth of further reading refs there  SatuSuro 08:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * To absent friends, the answer is 'yes', I guess, and thanks for the note. My local library has a copy of Seddon which I'm almost certain has a detailed description of the incident.  Its just a matter of me getting there.
 * And to not-so-absent friends, If you can remember that far back, then ... Wow!. &mdash;Moondyne 13:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't looking in the right place, but I should have left the convenient link to my reading of this: Talk:Bessie Rischbieth. cygnis insignis 09:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello
I promised i would come and say hello if i ever returned! After my break, i feel i can contribute without becoming a "wikiholic". I wasn't lying when i said i didn't have much time, though, so i can't be here very often. Well, i kept my promise now! My best wishes to you Moondyne!--Aciram (talk) 13:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for welcoming me back! When i participated, i did wonder if my articles would be seen as relevant, and i'm glad they were appreciated. --Aciram (talk) 13:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Really, really bad haiku from a new admin
Setting new lows in thank-you spam:

  Click there for my RfA spam haikus! → → → Janitor's new tools

Spam must stop -- will new mop act?

Ooops, .com blocked

New admin, new tools

Earnest newbie furrows brow

Fare thee well Main Page

New mess all about

Sorcerer's Apprentice mop

Not supporter's fault

A. B. so grateful

Wikipedia trembles

Watch out DRV

A. B. wonders why

Copyright always confused

Fair use, farewell, bye

Qatar is blocked

Shucks those range blocks are tricky!

Will get it straight soon.



Dear RfA friend, I will learn, chaos will fade ''Thanks so much ... A. B.

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Thanks for mooning me this week ... and thanks as well as your support over the last year (you were the first to suggest adminship as I recall). -- A. B. (talk) 20:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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re. WP Australia tagging
I've replied at User talk:Giggabot, so you might want to keep it watchlisted temporarily. &mdash; <font color=#12A434>Dihydrogen Monoxide 03:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * will do. &mdash;Moondyne 03:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied there, copy pasting here for the heck of it; &mdash; <font color=#12A434>Dihydrogen Monoxide 05:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I could potentially do this (keeping in mind I'm only using AWB). Is there a list or anything to work from? &mdash; <font color=#12A434>Dihydrogen Monoxide 03:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Major cricket
Hello there, Moondyne. Yes, you're right that it is ListA which is major cricket and not just any old limited overs game. My mistake.

Thanks very much for reviewing the article. I'll see what mileage I can get out of it, but it might not go far. :-)

All the best. --The Ghost | séance 14:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Email
Hey, i have emailed you. Can you please check it ASAP. Thanks. Twenty Years 16:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Moondyne/AU categories
Did you manage to check all the articles in the cat had the Aus tag that quicklky? Or am I missing something?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I see.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, New Norcia Cricket Team, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Ray Lindwall
On another note, do you have a book anywhere with a PD image of Lindwall's famously classical bowling action?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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Adminship

 * And from me too!  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Jack Marsh
Looks like I've pre-empted your to-do list.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 08:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Gun Island
I have been meaning to thank you for that. Much obliged. Hesperian 12:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sad indeed.
 * I like it when I message someone who hasn't edited in hours, and they respond immediately. I like to presume that that means they have been online all along, working on good solid content, composing prose, cross-referencing against other articles, constantly previewing, but ever seeking one last improvement before pushing that "save" button.
 * Hesperian 12:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Potter's House reverts
''Darren, in future, don't endlessly revert vandalism, it honestly gets you nowhere and doesn't paint you in the best light. If the other side isn't listening, explain your position on his talk page and then if you need to, ask an admin to intervene or post a message at WP:AIV. User:121.218.65.141 has had at least 15 edits reverted but no message on his talk page - this makes it hard for a reviewing admin to decipher the dispute. Anyway, he's now warned. If you need any help in the future let me know. —Moondyne 08:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)''
 * Hi there, the reason is I have contact with the person outside wikipedia and have asked him to leave the articles alone. The same user had been warned already under another IP and user account which has been going on for months.  I have also contacted other editors by private email for assistance.


 * Thank you though, I agree with what you say. I like many others are trying to do the right thing.  I am greatful for any assistance.  Thank you.Darrenss (talk) 10:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Why delete a link like that. Please explain why the AOG page has probly over 50 links whereas the Potter's House is only allowed (by Darren who is an ex Potter's House member with a bias) to have 3-4??

Why did you label that link as spam? It seems that there is a bias against the Church having links. Is this religious discrimination? Why are not other Pentecostal Churches on Wikipedia only allowed to have 3-4 links? Why is it that DarrenSS who is an ex member seems to be the sole authority over the page who can allow or dissallow links or imput. There is no reason why the Wayman Mitchell link or thre Pottersclub link should be banned. The reason Darren wants them off Wiki is because they have strong arguments that refute his link "firstplubline." By having and allowing both link for and against people can make up their own mind, but with only 3-4 links which don't deal with the harsh accusations put forth by Darren in the article, it makes the article biased. 121.218.65.141 (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Why would http://www.pottersclub.com or http://www.waymanmitchell be "banned" in Darrens words, when these contain much CFM material? Why am I seen as a spammer for including these links. 121.218.65.141 (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Repeating my own point from Talk:Potter's House Christian Fellowship on 24 September (nearly 3 months ago), the two domain names were investigated and found to be registered by the same individual, who is believed to be a lay church member in Australia. There is no indication they had the backing or support of the church (which has its own websites) and hence fails Wikipedia's external links guideline, which does have a limited scope for primary sourcing of non-controversial or self-identified information but takes a fairly strong line on fan sites (an issue only normally encountered in articles related to music). I have reviewed the actions taken by Moondyne and they appear to me to be correct, and also in the spirit of maintaining the quality and integrity of the encyclopaedia. Orderinchaos 03:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

History of West Australia
That almost as notable for the names that arent there, Peel, Austin, Hardy, Dale, J.S.Roe, Dampier, Morley, Canning, Irwin, Hale. Thats recognising that people like Jewell, Dale, Fremantle, Manning were mere government employees and not worthy of such recognition in the 19th century. Gnangarra 14:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ours is to not reason why etc. btw its raining in dubbo - cheers SatuSuro 23:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Potter's House articles
Just thought I would drop you a line. The same user under the anon is most likely still going to be a problem. He has continued to undo the edits on the three articles.Darrenss (talk) 04:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong with the inclusion of such links, and why is DarrenSS, who obviously has a bias against CFM, allowed to continually distrupt the growth of such pages? 121.218.65.141 (talk) 13:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Bias can work both ways. Your bias in promoting the church is obvious.  How about reverting back to encyclopaedic style for a start. &mdash;Moondyne 14:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Please explain why you are disallowing the inclusion of links? Is it simply because Darrenss contacted you first? What reason do you give for the constant deletion of the links? Critical links should always be allowed, but are biased, unless other links answering them are allowed, thus the reason for the deletion of critical links that Darrenss places there, and then disallows any counter argument. If you truly want neutrality, allow ALL links, not just critical or positive! 121.218.65.141 (talk) 15:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Aus tagging
Hi Moondyne. In response to your comment on AWNB a couple of weeks ago, I have found some unexplored categories where the AUS tagging is weak if you were interested. <font color="GoldenRod">YellowAssessmentMonkey  (<font color="#FA8605">bananabucket ) 05:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Charles Court
Thanks Moondyne, I've been noticing your high quality edits on this page, and on several other pages related to Western Australia. Top stuff. Edelmand (talk) 11:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 6 March 1926. I have a photocopy of the Bio Reg page if you'd like it :) Orderinchaos 15:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually decided to send you it anyway - check gmail. Fits under "things I would do if I had more time" :) Orderinchaos 15:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

A groovy tool
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~dispenser/cgi-bin/linkchecker.py &mdash;Moondyne 15:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Help needed!
P.S. I know you're not a project member there, but you're great with your AUSMUS work, and some of that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

-- linca linca  11:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Start Rated Australian Maritime History Articles
I'm glad someone noticed. Actually, I would not have rated most of these as B anyway, and I hesitate to use this rating unless I am personally familiar with the subject. I do see articles with checklists for upgrading to B status, though. Whay is that? Pustelnik (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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 * Deleted: source unknown. Replaced with another F/U image at Image:Scorecard - lara 400.jpg. &mdash;Moondyne 06:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Alec Henry
Coming soon. Should be about 10kb in the tank. Found stuff about him in a book about Gilbert. Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:TransperthRailwayMap.svg
Thanks — yes, it is mostly Inkscape work. There are a number of other such maps on my user page, though the Perth map is one of the more complicated/interesting ones because of the nature of the network. David Arthur (talk) 14:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

table layout rfc
Would you (and anyone else reading this - Gnangarra? Melburnian?) mind please having a look at the beginnings of a table in my sandbox, and letting me know whether you can see a better way to layout the information therein, and/or anything you think should be omitted or included? At completion the table will contain 239 entries, so I want to get the layout right sooner rather than later. Cheers, Hesperian 13:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Suggestion added. &mdash;Moondyne 04:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you inspired me to test a nifty way of getting section headings within a table, and it works! I get section headings and a TOC, and even section editing hooks, without having to split the table, and hence without having to hardcode the column widths. But for some reason align="left" doesn't work, so I can't check out if the section headings look better left-aligned. Hesperian 11:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the alignment code  to the two headings center is default anyway. Gnangarra 12:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That does look better. Section editing was what I was trying to achieve.  Good work team. &mdash;Moondyne 13:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks team. After all that I think I like it centred better (but I have section numbering turned off - I suppose I should turn it on and have a look).
 * I'm very happy with the section headings, TOC and edit hooks though. I'll go with that for now. We can always have an edit war after I've posted the list. ;-) Hesperian 02:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Unseasonal weather on the gold and surfers coasts
What one might otherwise say? cheers for the new yurt SatuSuro 07:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Voyage to Disaster
I don't suppose you have a copy of this to hand? I'm trying to get my eyes on pages 277-8. Everything is so much harder when you're on holidays! Hesperian 10:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Why I love Wikipedia; an essay by Hesperian, who is prone to the odd rant:

All I knew of the origin of the word "abrolhos" was that most writers reported that it was a contraction of the Portuguese phrase abro olhos ("open your eyes"), but that one of my sources, citing a ''pers. comm., claimed that Landgate's Geographic Naming Committee favours a different interpretation, that in the Portuguese language of the time abrolhos'' meant "spiked obstructions". I had no clear idea of how to pursue this any further, and wasn't even aware that my treatment of the topic was inadequate.

Then, for no particular reason, I snatch Ancient Landmarks off my shelf for bathtub reading. To my surprise, on page 5 I read the "spiked obstructions" claim, attributed to one John Forsyth, but citing Voyage to Disaster. Lacking a copy of VtD, I Google Books it, and am presented with a snippet view that yields a fraction of a citation: "Forsyth, John. Visit of the yacht". On googling this I discover that all the information I could possibly want on the subject is sitting in a 1957 article on the Grootenbroeck, published in an issue of Early Days which just happens to be on my bookshelf!

Thus the truth unfolds. What a rush! That'll feed the addiction for another month or so. My only disappointment is that I can't get access to The Voyage of Pyrard de Laval, where the false etymology was first exposed. But I guess that is the nature of the addiction - one always wants more.

Hesperian 13:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It turns out my library has a copy too. I'll grab it. Hesperian 01:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Just as well as I am on extended absense (as in absinth) otherwise youse guys woudda got a bit about all that - so much for being on the rain coast listening to the jokes about sun and gold and safe surf :( SatuSuro 20:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

happy Mango season
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:orange; background-color:lightgreen; border-width:3px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">  'TIS MANGO SEASON....<BR> Have a shlice of mango cheek...well, I am up to my armpits in the things. Yuletide means lots and lots of mangos, as well as turkey and ham and ice-cream and pressies. Were on special so I bought 3 crates for AU$20 and now I have both crispers in the refrigerator full and even with everyone eating two of the ##$@& things every mealtime... I am a bit mangoed out so I thought I'd spread the goodwill around....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)