User talk:Moondyne/Archive 15

Et tu?
Cleaning up untagged cats too? sigh :( SatuSuro 08:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Categories
Did you formally propose a WP:CFD to rename Category:Escapees from Victoria detention to Category:Escapees from Victorian detention and Category:Escapees from South Australia detention to Category:Escapees from South Australian detention? If not, why not? If not, they will be reversed. Please see WP:CFD. The original names were chosen specifically; sub-national government names when used as adjectives on WP are generally left unaltered, even if they appear strange. "Victorian" also has the unfortunate tendency to be interpreted as "Victorian England" or something similar. Good Ol’factory (talk) 19:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No I didn't as I was unaware that speedy rename candidates required any notification—the policy appears to have changed since I was last there. , they were renamed per WP:CDP. "Escapees from Victoria detention" and "Escapees from South Australia detention" is tortured grammar.  And why are subnational names treated differently from national names?  eg. Category:Escapees from German detention, as opposed to Category:Escapees from Germany detention?  Perhaps you could refer me to the discussion or policy relating to this. Moondyne 23:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe this was done under the Be Bold policy. Kudos to you, Moondyne, for doing the sensible thing without resorting to pointless red tape. Hesperian 00:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm with Moondyne and Hesperian here. Tortured grammar indeed. -- Longhair\talk 00:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Gawd what a bunch - I just tag the buggers of these weird and wonderful categories - and here the big wigs discuss out the grammar - here's to the simplification wherever possible SatuSuro 02:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No, actually I checked the CDP log and they were not so renamed. They didn't remain on there for 48 hours as specified, that's for sure. It's nothing to do with "grammar", really. There was also no "discussion" which established the usage. It's more of a WP convention that has developed through fairly consistent use. (And I would hardly call established CFD processes "red tape", as much as some would like to believe it is.) For examples, check out the multiple categories that use U.S. states or Australian states or Russian oblasts or Canadian provinces as adjectives -- none use the "grammatical" adjectival form. "Being bold" is no excuse for not following established policy. It's one thing to create a misnamed category when one is oblivious to an established convention; it's quite another to unilaterally choose to change already existent categories by creating an equivalent one and deleting the old one. The processes are there for a reason; they are not hard to use. I suggest we use them. If you don't want to, then don't be surprised if others complain. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea whether there are none that use a grammatical adjectival form, but would be surprised if that was so. Regardless, what exactly is the argument for using bad grammar instead of good grammar?  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS?  I am aware of the work you do at CFD, so I hope that you can help me to understand.  Moondyne 03:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, as mentioned above, it's more of a "convention", or "consistency" argument, but you can characterise it however you like, I suppose. At the end of the day, I'm not particularly opinionated on which form is used in these instances. If users want to buck the "convention" in favour of something that sounds nicer, then that could be fine with me and I wouldn't care much, frankly. Heck, I might even support it. However, my underlying point is that there is an accepted way to make the change that gives anyone interested a fair chance to express an opinion or to give input or to explain why as a creator they did something a certain way, and this process (which is a policy, and not just a "convention" or a nice thing to do) was not followed in this case. (If you are interested in the other adjectives in non-adjectival form uses, I could provide examples, but as I said it's not really the crux of my point and you sound like you might not be worried about that one way or the other, either, but let me know if you do want to have them. There are some that use the other form, and I didn't mean to give the impression that the "convention" was 100% one-sided or consistent; as I said it's just "fairly" consistent.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Something different
INYHO (In your honest opinion) is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:35th_parallel_south a valid addition to the OZ project tagging? the line arts seem to be very poorly supported - no apparent project overseeing or if it is not much interest in keeping tabs of the mayhem such a project might entail - do you think adding countries that exist within the ambit is a vlid exercise? have just done one then thought should discss- cheers SatuSuro 02:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, why not. Same as all the other Category:Lines of latitude between 10S and 43S. Moondyne 02:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Rika barely from the last i heard - will let you know more offlineSatuSuro 04:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration
Was thinking along the lines of what recently occurred with the Peak Hill article, wehreby a number of editors all pitched to ensure that a WA article didn't get deleted. It doesn't have to be along such formal lines as the ACOTF - more along the lines of if there was a pressing need for a particular article to be expanded then there was a noticeboard where that was highlighted so that other editors were aware.Dan arndt (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Mmm, not sure if a special noticeboard is necessary though, perhaps just a posting at WT:WA. Moondyne 10:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Deserts
The list of oz deserts is a straight lift from the geosciences page and very unhelpful - i have just found some refs that could double the art and move it from a 'list of the bigguns' (so as to accomodate the smaller named and suggested) however next week some time - id be interested to know whether such a straight lift from the geosci page is a copy vio or no in your ho SatuSuro 03:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, imho it is lifted from that source, but it'd be hard to make a strong copyvio case for a simple list like that. As for expanding it to include some lesser sandpits, I say do it! Moondyne 09:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:DutchplacenamesAus
I removed some of the unclear ones.. is this any better? --Roke 09:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added the Dutch names and a note about Anglicisation, though I am a bit confused whether island is spelled Eyland, Eylandt, Eylanden or Eyl as they seem to use all of them! --Roke 13:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WA citizen of the year award
I might be losing it in more than one or more ways but we dont have a list art on this do we? SatuSuro 01:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not losing it, you are correct. But do we want one? Moondyne 01:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Rica and others - ok the argument for and against either way is a bit dicey but i think it would complement the 100 influentials list quite well imho SatuSuro 02:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am losing it -viz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Australia_Citizen_of_the_Year - id even edited it (i wonder what the pony was ) - so we have the art do we want the list is more correct - and i am losing it SatuSuro 02:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC) the offending list is at http://www.celebratewa.com.au/index.php?pageid=64 and i think the arts, culture and community service lists are worth a squizz as some of them are worth checking - watcha think? SatuSuro 02:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good find. I suppose since we have the article, adding in the lists will be OK.  I don't particularly care.  Given that its there, I would oppose creating new list article/s though. Moondyne 02:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved to Western Australian Citizen of the Year Award, corrected title. Moondyne 02:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well another on my inviible to do list :( - I have no intention of going down much of a list addition myself at all after issues elsewhere - I thought that already listed recipients could go in a section - selected recipients with wikipedia articles - might give the art a bit of oomph - but selective only - ironically some recipients are not notable in my estimation SatuSuro 02:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

A whole day
Of watching the watchlist scroll across my headspace um computer screen - trust you dont have to watch every edit otherwise I think you might need some form of medication or psychic remediation by now :| - SatuSuro 09:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * yes and no. There's a little bit of automation happening (can't say too much).  Moondyne 09:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe thats another round at the mythical so far meetup :) SatuSuro 09:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
Thanks for your comments. Nice to know that my efforts are appreciated. I'll have to say I'll have to think about it for the moment. Michellecrisp (talk) 08:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hector
I meant withdrawn.--CyberGhostface (talk) 15:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Acute Bank
I can't believe you rated it low-importance! It would have to be at least high, maybe top! Please reconsider, or stop reviewing altogether. zOMG! Meh. Hesperian 01:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That wasn't just random humour; I was hoping that if you looked again you might notice that you've rated it Start, Start and Stub. Hesperian 01:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was trying to do two things at once and, as usual, got caught out. Moondyne 01:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)  I worked out how I did it. 2 others (only I think) affected and now fixed. Moondyne 02:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Email. It wasn't relevant to this topic when I sent it, but I'm starting now to think it might be. Hesperian 02:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can guess what you'll be discussing before I've receive or read it. Moondyne 02:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was wrong again.  Reply in due course. Moondyne 02:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

While I have you both watching
Please give your opinion either on or off (preferably off) as to article INSFOC speedy or afd? SatuSuro 01:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * afd. Hesperian 01:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Moondyne 01:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delaying for a bit just in case SatuSuro 02:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Pruned instead found the malaysian example which sets a standard for that sort of article SatuSuro 05:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Need another opinion
What do you think about including links to artabase.net. Whilst the editor has probably added these in good faith, I believe it's a violation of WP:LINKS. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * IMO, no dice. If the user User:Artabase, who has a huge COI anyway, was interested in improving Wikipedia he/she is welcome to contribute by expanding our articles.  The EL policy is quite clear and its a slippery slope if commercial sites are allowed to linkspam our articles.   WT:SPAM could expand on this if you wanted more eyes.  Moondyne 07:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My current argument - your opinion? SatuSuro 15:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC) Ta (not sure how that sounds from a kiwi) SatuSuro 15:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rica Erickson DYK
Well done as always :) SatuSuro 13:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Nah
Perth - WA assess - you got it easy mate - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Unassessed_Indonesia_articles and the place feels empty of anything that resembles a project maintenance minded help - :) SatuSuro 01:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know that you can link to category by adding a colon at the beginning of the link? As in Category:Unassessed Indonesia articles . Moondyne 07:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Suburbs
Just to let you know I got them all done this morning :) Orderinchaos 01:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Ratings
You've double-rated a few articles, I've undone the ones I saw. TRS-80 (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Moondyne 10:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Everybodys edits
Are crowding my watchlist screen - Another mystery - no mention of d doornock being married to bill at all - odd as he was notable himself for a number of reasons - no art on him either by looks SatuSuro 11:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Bill, yes. Heard her being interviewed on the wireless (720) last week.  Always a terrific raconteur. Moondyne 11:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Americas Cup
Came across a copy of wheatley and rayner just recently - both in hand - are we in need of any details for anywhere that might be gleaned from rayner especially? SatuSuro 12:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, since you asked:
 * Supposedly Conner decided between US-55 and one of his other boats (possibly US-54) on the very eve of the finals races. Which boat was it and can you provide a cite for that.
 * Are there any crew lists for either or both of Stars and Stripes '87 and Kookaburra III?
 * Was Kookaburra in the lead at all during any of the 4 final races?
 * Thanks. Moondyne 12:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK no probs - will check -wheatley seems more about 83 looking to 87 (in 86) and rayner is lots of pretty piccies but will check anyways - cheers SatuSuro 12:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

V dissapointing - rayner alludes to 4 boats practising in hawaii and has nothing about choice at last mo - no crew lists - kookaburra might have been in front for a small bit of the second race but not for long due to a sneak pass at the spectator boat turn - nowhere near what i had hoped for - and wheatley was being written early 86 SatuSuro 13:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry. They weren't critical issues — more my own idle curiosity.  Thanks for looking anyway.  Moondyne 13:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was dissappointed - the wheatley was gossipy about 83 i might use it for expanding 83 some time - but the rayner is a library copy of a recent oz publication - and it tries to grapple with the whole length of all the races and series with some well done piccies - and as a result loeses the detail.  I suspect the newspaper stories in the big list from battye might have the solutions to your questions SatuSuro 13:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Australian Colonial navy ships
Category:Australian Colonial navy ships, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. — Bellhalla (talk) 14:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC) My mind must be going. I have no recollection of this whatsoever. Moondyne 13:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

WA Wine
Yes i have the map and refs its justa mtter of makin it a prioritie :) please feel free to tag and or move to a better title SatuSuro 05:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC) Oh I remember now - what the biggest problem with oz wine regions is that eds simply add the name of a location or area as a wine region and there is no other tie in at all - its actually a much more complex task than meets the eye - as its like the indonesian lists issue - its one thing to simply place a name of a location as being the wine region - its a totally different thing to actually tie in with refs and so on - i think that is why i abandoned it at that stage - there are also the boundaries of the wine regions and the wineries etc etc - give me a week or two on that one :( SatuSuro 05:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed hic - I havent even opened the expensive bottle from when gnang and i researched the swan valley and there are all the other regions to do as well hic SatuSuro 01:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Oz Footbal league
Vndl happlily creating stupid user name - your shot? SatuSuro 09:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Moondyne 09:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ditto! SatuSuro 14:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

We gotta do something with this
But not sure what: -	Atkins, Dennis. Title 	[1956 plan to cede North West of W.A. to the Northern Territory.] Published 	1987. Subject 	Secession -- Western Australia -- North-West. Found in 	West Australian, 1 Jan. 1987, p.2  - cheers SatuSuro 01:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'd like to get a copy of that article for Secessionism in Western Australia. Moondyne 01:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If we go too far well have th state look like an amoeba on one of those kids cartoons :( - ill get it next week if someone dosnt beat me to it SatuSuro 01:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh hell - it is an amoeba


 * Albany - presentation to the Governor of a petition asking for separation of Albany and the south coast from the colony of W.A.] Coolgardie miner, 19 March 1900, p.6
 * Alexander Matheson - "Seperation", at a public meeting in Coolgardie, a motion for separation for the Eastern Goldfields from coastal district Matheson, Alexander Perceval, Sir, 1861-1929. Coolgardie miner, 25 Jan. 1900, p. 4,
 * [Goldfields Parliamentary representation - an electoral convention in Kalgoorlie moves that if the government is unsympathetic to improved representation on the Goldfields, annexation by South Australia should be sought] The golden age, 22 Sept. 1898, p.3f; 28 Sept. 1898, p.4c-d

Oh well ill get some photocopies to you by the end of next week - its a bloody nightmare scenario - oh well SatuSuro 01:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

External links again
What do you think of adding www.openaustralia.org ? I think it is pushing WP:LINKS. Michellecrisp (talk) 00:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Michelle. Interesting website. As a free and searchable Federal Hansard database it does seem to add useful data to a politician's page. And most of Hansard is too wordy to be really encyclopaedic material.  It is advertising free, so I'd let it stay.  You may wish to post to the folks at WP:AWNB or WP:AUSPOL for another opinion or to just let them know. Moondyne 01:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it only started up in June . Moondyne 01:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I jumped in and offered a welcome and a point about spam and links - If I am wrong - please advise SatuSuro 01:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC) My rationale - two days of constant editing and no welcome - and also to the less circumspect it looks like spamming - if it isnt at least the ed will now know :) SatuSuro 01:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. Moondyne 01:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The poster, does appear as the first name on http://www.openaustralia.org/about/ which is a bit sad, but my comments above still stand. Moondyne 01:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * A discussion on this topic is taking place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australia. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 01:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I should have let you know but the lighthouse arts are being fiddled with (my excuse)SatuSuro 01:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Victories of Failure
I have a spare copy if you ever want one - havent forgotten the task :) SatuSuro 14:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. I had assumed that would be an impossible-to-get-hold-of book — the on-line sites showed none available.  I'll definitely be taking you up on that (loan) offer. Moondyne 14:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah its yours I am on the sandflat wednesday gmail me a dropoff point :) SatuSuro 14:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll shout lunch. Ring me Wed AM in the daytime to discuss. Moondyne 14:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Brilliant willco SatuSuro 14:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC) got it SatuSuro 14:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sunraysia
I'm a Sunraysia local mate. You weren't to know :) Interesting article on De Garis. Mildura's history has quite a few colourful characters. I must make an effort to research some of them with the intent of getting some articles online. -- Longhair\talk 08:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Depending on who you ask around here, some view the Canadian Chaffey Brothers (George and William) as rouge-like. That's a debate I don't have the time to enter. :) -- Longhair\talk 08:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd gotten the impression the Chaffeys were saintly. Moondyne 08:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They are. With some. There's a section of the community who sees them as failed bankrupts who only succeeded with cash they never had. There's more to the story apparently. I always tend to get into an argument every time the subject comes up :) -- Longhair\talk 09:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They got a nice looking bridge named after them anyway. Image:ChaffeyBridgeMildura.jpg Moondyne 09:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The "failure" view is a minority view. Makes for divisive conversations in local watering holes at times. -- Longhair\talk 09:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ive been telling tales at his talk :) SatuSuro 12:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

cat
So you are putting project talk pages as NA and not a cat - wheres the diff explained in the project that tat is the case? it would be good if i dropped off the perch tonight (hmm) that any following fool tagging cats had an indicator of why that is the case somewhere i'd say - I thought we had gone entirely over to cats for everything - SatuSuro 13:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thinking about this up nd down greenmount hill or vice versa - is it all wp ie project ages are always NA when in many projects categories are cats but in others are NA _ dependant on project template architecture? SatuSuro 13:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh. I can't think why anything but a category talk page would be tagged as class=cat. class=na I would think is for things like project and template talk pages.  But if there's consensus to do differently, do whatever you think is right.  I don't really care.  (I only changed 1, honest).    Moondyne 14:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

No problems i realise to 99% wp eds its irrelevent anyway - just with the tagging help for projects its all in the design of the project banner template - maybe there needs to be a cross wikipedia standard - i know of so many variant templates in diff projects its ridiculous - sorry to have bothered SatuSuro 01:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Graham Payne
I've added a prod-nn tag to this article. He ended up getting a nine month sentence and was then deported home. I don't think it passes WP:N at today's standards. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 02:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats fine, I agree. I'm happy for it to be whacked if no-one contests the prod. Moondyne 03:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Not sure what to think about this chap, Tallaal Adrey? -- Longhair\talk 03:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A bit harder, but I think its prod material also, per WP:BLP1E. Torture allegations and wider news coverage, but according to FPSS the sentence was reduced to 30 months including time served in 2006, so I guess Kuwaiti authorities decided he wasn't a huge gangster and supposedly he's out now.

Jack De Garis DYK

 * Well done! SatuSuro 03:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Qantas Flight 30 edit query
Hi there... this is common practice both on News Limited websites as well as Fairfax ones, although at least with Fairfax the headline is usually in the URL, so there's a small element of accountability when stories mysteriously change. Usually it's nothing more than a witty but indelicate headline that bites the dust, but in this case they rather cheekily have completely changed a story sensationalising the corrosion reports to one that not only plays down such reports, but it actually refers to them as if they weren't involved.

As it happens, in this instance I didn't actually write that part of the Wikipedia article... the edit you point to is just one of a series of edits I did to clean up citations (or in this case, someone deleted the full citation that was being hooked by reference at this point in the article causing the citation to break, so I expanded it to include the full citation once more). I might take a look over it later if you haven't got to it first... nicely spotted. -- Rob.au (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Cricket anniversaries
I started adding hoverboxes to the pictures in the Cricket Anniversaries listings, because I quite like them as a way of captioning things. But then I thought maybe others don't like them, so I stopped (after doing about three months' worth). As you're the originator of much of the work that's gone into these lists, I thought I ought to ask you... Johnlp (talk) 10:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

(charts 1980s)
Hi, I have just created 2 new Australian charts pages List of Top 40 albums for 1980-1989 in Australia and List of Top 40 singles for 1980-1989 in Australia. Could you please link them into the system? cheers Barry Rusty201 (talk) 03:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thank-you
Thank-you for your support of me at my recent RFA, which was successful. I have appreciated everyone's comments and encouragement there. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot
Just go to the User page of User:WP 1.0 bot, it's linked from that (I always forget it and that's where I always find it :) Orderinchaos 02:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, cool. Thanks. Moondyne 02:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

See http://www.kiwix.org/~oleg/wp/wp10/run_wp10.html -- Longhair\talk 02:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tks. Moondyne 02:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow thats magic (just doing Indonesia) thanks all youse folks useful info! SatuSuro 03:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Hey again! well done! SatuSuro 13:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

1980s charts
Hi

those charts are calculated by David kent of the Kent Music Report and they are based on the number of weeks and position the records reach within the top 100 singles for each weke. Even though a song may spend less time at number one than another, it may be in the charts for far longer than anything else, which has a bearing on how those charts work. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusty201 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 1 August 2008

Bill
You gonna do him? knew him i think I might have had a photo of him somewhere - hope you do it SatuSuro 14:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One day most likely ... Moondyne 05:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Let me rephrase: Will try to someday. He's one of those topics I keep in the back of my mind and if some suitable material appears, then I'll do it.  I just can't see myself going looking specifically. Moondyne 09:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK maybe ill start a stub sometime and leave you to expand it if i get the material :) I was in contact during the poetry stage before the novel stage of his writing career - then there was the lobby group for perth development in his later years SatuSuro 12:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Going crazy
I know its monday morning but i have tried to leave 2 talk messages at hydrogen iodides talk page - they show up on table of contents but not on page - is it me or is there something crazy about his talk page? SatuSuro 02:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC) I am ccng this to graham87 as well :) SatuSuro 02:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. The chrome in the section above had an unclosed table. Hesperian 02:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Moondyne 02:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Typical los anglese crazy stuff - sorry to have been a pest SatuSuro 03:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Moondyne's cats
Hi there Moondyne. Although Satyr has gone on break, is now doing the same kind of thing and I intend to talk to him about continuing where we left off last time, which was Category:Premiers of Tasmania. Hope all is well.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I see the discussion at User talk:Tinucherian. Cheers Moondyne 09:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

- 09:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * When I read this heading I got this picture of you in a house deluged by cats. Orderinchaos 14:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Never - its idioots like me sitting up late at night typing in w,p, oz - class NA, one year, and then the next year changing class NA to cat - and finding the whole thing could be done by a bloody bot - no doubt a lot more intellignet than m,e th bots :| SatuSuro 14:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The article netting should be ok as long as the categories are correct and it hasn't been misued by the people who are adding the cats....Some guys do categorise people by ethnicity, eg tagging the likes of Khoa Do as "Vietnamese actors" or similar things to Monty Panesar as "Indian cricketers" but apart from those oddities it should be ok.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, Satyr has woken up again over the weekend.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ : The cats in the list were all tagged --  Tinu  Cherian  - 08:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Moondyne 09:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Perth Modern School logo.jpg)
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 * info box including logo had been removed from article by an ip vandal and not picked up previously. Now reinstated. Moondyne 05:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course
crazy assertion - the colebatch premiership and others of course - doh! SatuSuro 09:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikiblame
I like this. Moondyne 23:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Kimberley
Cripes you are setting a standard there sir - I shall have to go back to all the provinces of Indonesia and make sure i have text like that in each one:( SatuSuro 08:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Pilbara
Next one up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pilbara_region_of_Western_Australia SatuSuro 12:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work chaps. Moondyne 14:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Dont unnerstan
I thought the bot was equipped to find oz cats like a heat seeking missile or somethin - just been tagging red discussion tags like obviously oz type - maybe it is only human? SatuSuro 01:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The list was created in Dec 2007 so any cats created after then will have been missed. For eg. Category:Prehistoric fish of Australia was Jan 2008.  Sometime we'll need to redo the exercise I suppose. Moondyne 01:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ta - human and chronological - hope to heaven it doesnt have to change c to C next time :( SatuSuro 01:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By a random check there was a lot of cat freation between dec 2007 and now - gawd it never ends :( SatuSuro 01:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Here ya go: User:Moondyne/AU categories/2. Moondyne 04:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Why thank you :) (cat taggers heaven reappears through the mist, calling out tag me, and the non believers shake their heads wandering what the phrase project management ever meant in the world of wikipedia where there are more red coloured discussion headers than there are atoms on the head of a pin etc etc,) SatuSuro 04:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * /AU categories/2 deleted, as now redundant. Moondyne 15:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Wrong?
Will avoid if you prefer SatuSuro 14:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate to bore you with the detail, but I think I found a bug in AWB. Testing ... Moondyne 14:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Never - its my bread and butter (the tagging) but i did see a lot of redlink cats in there but thought it might have been deliberate :| SatuSuro 14:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Wrong
I thought tagging arts for the new regional cats might be ok - however - so many copyedit issues that I havent dealt with - it is disconcerting to see the rot slipping in at odd points - perhaps you might like to peruse cow town in your leisure - ie cowaramup SatuSuro 13:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Lucky - you can use awb - oh well you'll have it solved before i can finish the region adding - good on ya- and bon voyage into the realm of mass cat tagging (jealousy said from the non awb of the species...) SatuSuro 13:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just started on a few, that'll do for now. You can have AWB - what's the problem?Moondyne 14:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * None really, I tend to do most work on my imac - awb runs on pcs only :( - anyways looks good what is being done with the list and the wa regions - its a good start imho SatuSuro 14:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Curtin University
The formal address for Curtin is Kent Street - will see what I can do about fixing up the article (at least giving it some references) - as I said my preference is allways to try and retain articles (by improving them) rather than deleting them. Dan arndt (talk) 07:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Must have changed (since 1979!), my bad.  Agree, and would never argue to delete an article on a notable subject, no matter how stubbish. Moondyne 08:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to hear that SatuSuro 08:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Have had a first bash at trying to whip it into better shape. What's more of a worry is that there is no article for the Technology Park - even South Australia has one for their tech park. Dan arndt (talk) 08:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your awb work at the cat face (viz coal face metaphor) SatuSuro 08:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Another category tagging request
- 09:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your awb work at the cat face (viz coal face metaphor) SatuSuro 08:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm working on the self-delusion that an intensive effort here can put this to bed once and for all.  I suspect the reality is it'll fester along always. Moondyne 08:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal tally
Looks like QLD is sitting pretty with 5 golds in sixth position.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 06:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:smiley.svg|20px]]. C'mon the Hockeyroos and Kookaburras Moondyne 07:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Chin up! Sullivan and Ryan Bayley (team sprint) are up int eh next 24 hours, although Sullivan is looking a bit spent in the 50m and Bayley has been out of form for four years...We always seem to be on the wrong end of an upset.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a giant TV screen in the Perth CBD by BHP Billiton like there is in Adelaide? There's one right across the road from uni here and I've been (shamelessly) raiding the free giveaways everyday during my lunchbreak...lemme count....three rotund-panda stress balls, three mascot-pins, a green/gold scarf, a giant umbrella, a hat and three flags....although I think I'd rather have nothing and see Libby and Leisel win today....I think maybe Soni succesfully managed to get Leisel to change her plan and start too fast and Libby went out too hard after yesterday's close shave :( ....  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably. Your willingness to self-sacrifice is an example to us all. I don't get into the cbd much.  Has Eamon's 50m run yet? Moondyne 07:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

mhhs
Nah ive got the book that solves the issues - kept forgetting to get it off the shelf and get the info :( - might be a day to locate it tho :( SatuSuro 13:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC) btw gmail SatuSuro 13:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Silivrenion, Radio Station Naming
Thanks for your inquiry. Naming Conventions for Stations with Callsigns where there's a government agency requiring the use of those callsigns: "For articles on stations located in countries which do use government-issued call signs, the official call sign should be used." -- Article Naming Conventions. Since that station's name was 96fm, it is an ambiguous name, since 96fm could be misinterpreted as any one locale's 96.1 FM station. Since that ambiguation exists, I created a disambiguation page at the root, and changed that article to the callsign, since the Naming Conventions said it's the correct thing to do. If you still feel that the article should be under it's original name, please comment back!

I spoke with someone who made edits on the Canadian station, who informed me that Canada requires a -FM on all callsigns there, which is ambiguous from the policy page. I will make an edit to that page to clear up the confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silivrenion (talk • contribs) 16:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Got confused with my own comments there for a second!

The 96fm page should be 6NOW because 96fm is such a general name. You probably have a 96.1fm wherever you are... it's not regionally or commercially bounded to any specific known company or group. That's like creating a company that makes cars and making the company's name "Car". Just shouldn't happen, you know?

So either the 96fm takes the more proper 6NOW callsign name, or a hybrid is developed that diffuses the ambiguity caused by the 96fm name, such as "96fm (6NOW), still linked from a 96.1 disambiguation page. What do you think? Silivrenion (talk) 04:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.. yeah, I can see that you'd use the station name instead... but I guess what I'm getting at is that using that station name makes it a little undirected. I had to do a double take on that page the first time I saw it because I wasn't expecting a single 96fm page, but I would expect a 96.1 fm page listing all the 96's in the world, of which 6NOW is one of them. What do you propose? I think using 96fm alone is misleading. Silivrenion (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Medal tally
There's only one table you need to worry about ... Moondyne 09:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * An absolute classic, and as the son of a Kiwi - although a proud Australian I can only concur with Moondyne! :-) -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * QLD up to 7 gold now (all 6 swimming golds were QLD all the relay golds were 4 QLD + Snowsill), and all the women's swimming relay teams were straight QLDers........ Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Getting clouted by England now :(, especially the cycling team - UK have won about 6/7 of the track events so far and Australia is now getting beaten by NZ in the teams pursuit :(. Maybe it might be good to lose so that they'll pump more funding because somehow I think the pollies have fallen asleep, or they think that just because the rest of the world is hopeless and is going backwards at cricket that Olympic medals are easy to come by, which they are not, judging by the amount to teams that are now going strong in swimming relays and the fact that everyone is now going full pelt in the heats and risking false starts on all the changeovers.... Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We've been ahead of the Poms until now then they got the men's team pursuit. Aus came 4th behind NZ - disaster! Moondyne 02:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Australia was ahead until the swimming stopped on Sunday morning and then UK got a flurry of track cycling and rowing golds on sunday evening which took it to 11-8. Then on Monday morning, Snowsill and the two sailors got it back to 11-11 and then teh Poms broke the pursuit WR.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 07:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)