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AFL season article naming convention
As a participant of WikiProject AFL I thought you might be interested in this. I have started a vote to get a consensus on the naming convention for AFL season articles. You can participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject AFL. Cheers. Remy B 13:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Photos
Can you please take a look at. Looks like all PD-Aus should be taken down. Tintin (talk) 07:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I saw that you have removed the Hollies pic from the Bradman article. The link above contains the pictures that I uploaded, four of which came from the same site (http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au), atleast two - possibly three - were taken in England. Should I remove them too ? Tintin (talk) 04:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. So all except Bill Brown goes. Tintin (talk) 05:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Username secrecy
Hi I still am not sure what all the secrecy about the username is, but anyway, you might want to check out the Esperanza calendar (September).

Thanks

Srik e it ( talk ¦  ✉  ) '' 03:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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Perth dab notice
The reason I added it is that Perth, Australia redirects to Perth, Western Australia, which is the most obvious, but not the only, Perth in Australia. If the link is not present at the top of Perth WA's page, other options are: I think the notice I placed was the least invasive way. -- Chuq 05:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Convert Perth, Australia to a disambig page
 * 2) Redirect Perth, Australia to Perth.
 * 3) Re-add Perth, Western Australia's dab notice, and change it to specifically link to Perth, Tasmania.


 * I'm happy with option #1 - but others may not! Maybe implement it and see how it goes. -- Chuq 10:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I recommend &#0123;&#0123;redirect|Perth, Australia|the town in Tasmania|Perth, Tasmania}}:

Snottygobble 11:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Why have a notice at the top of the article saying what redirects here? If someone typed in Perth, Western Australia that's got to be what they want to see. Yes/No? -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 12:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * If someone typed in "Perth, Western Australia", then there is no chance of misunderstanding, and there is no need for disambiguation. But if someone typed in "Perth, Australia", hoping to reach Perth, Tasmania, but was instead redirected to Perth, Western Australia, that is a problem. In such situations there are two options:
 * convert Perth, Australia from a redirect to a disambiguation page.
 * leave Perth, Australia as a redirect to Perth, Western Australia, but provide a redirect disambiguation telling people where to go if they actually wanted Perth, Tasmania.
 * The second option is usually chosen when, as in this case, one article is much more prominent than the other. Snottygobble 12:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Western Australian secession movement
Sweet! A few comments: Snottygobble 12:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) I think "Secession movement in Western Australia" would be a more standard article title, although being more standard doesn't necessarily make it better. Your call.
 * 2) Since a "coffer" is literally a treasure chest where pirates hoard their ill-gotten riches, the term "federal coffers" reads as slightly pejorative to me. Can we come up with an NPOV replacement?


 * Nice aticle I like coffer it fits well with the plundering of WA by Eastern States. Seriously more information on the promises made to WA for joining the Federation would help expand the reason against later in the article. Gnangarra 13:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Re two referenda: no idea. It's news to me.
 * By the way, there have been a number of cases where a part of WA tried to secede from the rest of the state/colony. In 1900 when it looked like WA wouldn't join the federation, the goldfields looked to break away from WA so that it could join the federation itself. Also in 1900 Albany and the South Coast petitioned the Governor for secession.  In 1956 there was a proposal for WA's north west to secede and join the Northern Territory, and it was came up again in 2001 as a threat if the one-vote-one-value legislation got up.
 * I notice that the secession movement is still alive and well. Kerry Stokes called for WA to secede in 2003, and just last year Stan Gervas published "The great scam: 100 years of federation and what it has cost Western Australia".
 * Snottygobble 02:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Stop
The.thing 15:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me
I can give you proof of the films existence. Give me your email address and I can foward you some of the dozens of emails I have recieved. Ryan Moore 08:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:Did you know
Hi Ian, as an admin with quite a few DYKs, I was wondering if you were interested in updating this. At the moment it is a bit understaffed and an admin only pops by about once a day to update - The minimum is 6hrs, and everyday there are a few left off because nobody updates them in time. Regards, ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 06:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC).

Boy Charlton
Are you planning on doing this one soon? An interesting life. -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 23:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will be. I also saw my library has a newly arrived biography on him.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 01:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Coincidentally, Ambi and Cyberjunkie have nominated this for ACOTFN. I had a look in your personal contributions page that you maintain to work out your DYKs. There is no scoreboard of DYKs as far as I can tell, but I get the impression the Ghirladanjo must be way ahead - he seems to almost have one everyday. There is a scoreboard of FAs though.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 08:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Congratulations. Snottygobble 03:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

en.wikipedia.org data is no longer replicated to the tool server, so Kate's Tool and Interiot's Tool are basically not working. To get an accurate figure, you need to use Interiot's javascript tool. You have 10065 edits. Snottygobble 03:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Just to give you the full story, there's a big red box at the bottom of Interiot's talk page that says
 * Starting Apr12, toolserver replication for enwiki was completely down, and toolserver data appears to be old. DaBpunkt managed to get replication working again, but 1) it is not replicating quickly enough to keep up with real-time, and 2) there is a bug in the replication, and most data replicated from April 12 on is corrupt, and should not be relied upon. Both issues are being worked on.
 * Snottygobble 03:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Elise Chen
Hi Ian (?), it's a bit tricky with that, because everyone concerned in that incident (myself included) would be able to verify it, but because it has not got into the news, it's a bit hard finding secondary sources to back up the claims. But I'm fine with leaving it off. Cheers. --Sumple (Talk) 04:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Wittenoom
I saw your edits to Wittenoom, Western Australia, and thought I'd blue the red link to Edward Wittenoom. Also did Charles Wittenoom, and turned Wittenoom into a disambig. In the process I discovered that Frank was Edward's brother, not his son, so made a correction to the town article. If you're planning on writing Frank Wittenoom, there's some decent info here, and I can tell you his full name was Frederick Francis Burdett Wittenoom. Snottygobble 00:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes if noticing it sitting on a bookshelf at Serendipity Books counts as "seen". Otherwise, no. Snottygobble 01:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, I made Wittenoom Gorge, Western Australia a redirect to Wittenoom, Western Australia as the two are inextricably linked. Was this the right thing to do? -- Moondyne ≡ talk 01:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Until someone decides to write an article on the Gorge. Have you ever been there? Snottygobble 03:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Kamin

 * Very odd indeed. Also, cf User:Michael Kamins with User:Titoxd. Snottygobble 02:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It would appear that Kamin is Wikipedia is Communism. Evidence: this edit, and the fact that Kamin had requested unblocking of a number of obvious WiC socks. Snottygobble 00:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Adam Carr
Can you explain why you are reverting the Adam Carr article? It's been deleted before, and its new author is an enemy of Carr's who has made many personal attacks on him. Carr is not himself any more notable than the tens of thousands of political aides. His website may be impressive, but that doesn't make him notable. In any case, there's no reason for a revert war. -Will Beback 07:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the quick reply. I think we're all working for the good of the project. Cheers. -Will Beback 08:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Hi ,

Thank you for your vote in my recent unsuccesful RFA. I will strive to overcome any shortcomings you may have mentioned & will try & prove myself worthy of your vote.

Cheers

Srik e it ( talk ¦  ✉  ) '' 10:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Frank confusion
Oh, thanks for the correction. Jonathan F 18:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Frank Zappa
Gawks, youre copyediting the 11,000th incomplete project that lies smelling on the floor! May the grace of slick give you barnstarts that are not fatal or infectious :) The shift may have finished physically, but the head is in hobart, sydney and singapore still (only the latter two were visited in reality since shift).  I do hope at least a part of the message makes sense, i have over a 100 small plants from the glen forrest wildflowers native plant sale to put out before next rain. after that i might make sense! cheers! trust you were well clear of the pubs last night! SatuSuro 11:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

frankly awful
yeah when one's 15 year old uses wikipedia for homework the cringe is into deep despair, and one must reach for the captain beefheart cd, as for the 14 and 12 year olds they go on about forementioned tv unreality, and the articles i watch on something like the javanese volcano merapi go into the myre of such crap that i think conetemplating the navel of my intel imac would be more productive than to counter some of the rubbish that creeps in!! good to see you sandflatters plod on with humour intact :)  SatuSuro 01:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Amazing Race
LOL, No my face stayed out of camera shot on this occasion, However I did score that Duracell torch prop, it works and i use it on night tours, Fans always want a photo if it, but not me...strange. Ghostieguide 05:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for William Sams image
Thanks for going to all that effort of finding WS image. Much appreciated as it should save the entry from the onslaught of the ignorant. Lentisco 04:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's RFA
Hey Ian, I think Blnguyen's ready to accept the nomination. I'll be adding the nom statement. Are you ready to co-nom?

Thanks

Srik e it ( talk ¦  ✉  ) '' 01:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Here. You can add your endorsements meanwhile I'll inform Blnguyen. Cheers. Srik e it ( talk ¦  ✉  ) '' 02:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Inverarity
You have my sympathies. :-( Snottygobble 06:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Edith Dircksey Cowan Memorial images
Great, thanks! If there was ever an article that needed images, that was it.

Re: your creation of Commons:Category:Edith Cowan, I think the done thing in cases like this is to create a commons article on the person, rather than a category. In this case I had already created article Edith Cowan, and I have now added the memorial images to the galleries on that page. If you agree that there is no need for Category:Edith Cowan, you might like to tag it for deletion.

Finally, your Commons user page asks users to send you messages at Wikipedia rather than Commons, but rather unhelpfully provides a link to post a message to the talk page of your old account. Considering your old talk page is a redirect now, I have no idea what will happen if someone actually tries to use it.

Snottygobble 11:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Metadata
Hi Ian, I'm just about to start the addition of metadata to the Indian criketer bios using AWB. Any advice? Srik e it ( talk ¦  ✉  ) '' 17:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

''I see you're tackling the new project also. There must be an easier way :( -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 01:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)''
 * Yeah, I noticed your edits to some of the cricketers on my watchlist. Looked into it, and decided to metadata-ise my article contributions. Big job. It's surprising how long it takes to manually extract this info from an article. If only we had some metadata we could automate the process of entering the metadata! Snottygobble 02:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By the time we've finished a clever person will get around to writing a javascript app or something which scrapes the data out of the article. You should be able to get the lastname, first name from the categories and a string search in the opening sentence for date and places of birth/death. 80-90% success I reckon. -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 02:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably. But that clever person will have spent longer writing their app than I will have spent manually bringing my contribs into line. Snottygobble 02:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry, I'll ask another in an hour or so. Tintin (talk) 03:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Mining in Australia is the new ACOTF
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Mackie
''I noticed that a William Mackie was a Lieutenant Governor of Gambia from 1838-1839. Coincidence? -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 05:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)''
 * It's hard to believe that Honnibal would have missed it when he wrote the Australian Dictionary of Biography article. But you never know; it's worth a close look I reckon. Snottygobble 05:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, sorry. I'll have a look in my Western Australian Parliamentary Handbook, but its unlikely to have extensive biographical data on him. The ideal source to check would be the Dictionary of West Australians. I'll have a look next time I visit my public library. Snottygobble 05:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I found a good photo of Mackie in James Stirling: Admiral and Founding Governor of Western Australia, which I'll scan in some time next week. But nothing to confirm or deny the Gambia connection. Snottygobble 00:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

William Mitchell (Reverend)
Hi I saw your article on Mitchell. Are you a descendant by any chance? I am. Regards--A Y Arktos\talk 08:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * My forebear was Susan Augusta who married Philip Chauncy - there are many Chauncy descendants. I too have Mitchell Amen :-) --A Y Arktos\talk 19:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

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Block Collateral Damage
Hi Moondyne, Your block on 206.6.138.33 has had some collateral damage namely me. I would expect that the anon on the same ISP has gone to bed now - could you unblock ? ( I'm running via a slow dialup to another ISP to get around the block but this is painfull ! ) - Peripitus (Talk) 11:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the unblock ! Peripitus (Talk) 12:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)



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Deletion of image created problems
But apparently the image has a different names and now we have broken images at Repnin Sejm, Nicholas Repnin and possibly other places. Could you look into it?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 23:01, 7 June 2006 Moondyne deleted "Image:Nikolai Vasilyevich Repnin.jpg" (dup of img in Commons)
 * No problem, you are doing great work. If you ever have any problems with Poland-related images, we are happy to help.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Metadata again
Hi Moondyne, I was going through some of the topics of my talk page & came across your comment about AWB. I'm sorry I totally missed it then. Anyway 10 days too late, I'll still answer the question. AWB doesn't have any huge advantages in adding metadata & the time taken is nearly the same. The only advantage is that you can load up the category for the metadata to be added & can reduce the number of clicks to reach the next page. Also it has an option of "Insert Metadata template" which makes work marginally faster. I have been a bit busy & so haven't been adding it for the past few days. I'll probably resume again soon. BTW I was chatting with Blnguyen the other day about how Cricket acivity seems to have dropped. Seems like we are not doing anything but updating stats & removing the occasional POV additions. Anyway drop me a line sometime & tell me what you think. Cheers --Srikeit (Talk 18:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Members of the Western Australian Legislative Council, 1832-1870
Check it out! If it weren't for the 37 red links, I reckon we could push it through WP:FL. Snottygobble 03:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If you do write an article on EB-L, you might like to bear in mind that he has a modern day descendent of the same name who is an authority on salinity in WA and probably has an equally good claim to the article title. Snottygobble 04:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you. Want to try an experiment? Paste

into your sandbox. It will create a simple starting template with a commented out image, an opening sentence stub, a references section, some categories and persondata. Snottygobble 04:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Still working on it. Not just trying to be clever; I'll use it once I've got it working. Snottygobble 06:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Your article, Perth Gaol, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  + +Lar: t/c 02:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats in DYK, interesting article Gnangarra 02:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Heritage places of Western Australia
I commend this recently created category to your attention. My guess is most of the places in your sandbox belong in there. Snottygobble 05:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * (Sigh) I do hope you/others whoever, get this one right
 * I trust that snotty/drew gets to read this as well - the 3 levels + of heritage designation has driven me gaga with some in the past (not wiki) - the federal heritage, the state heritage register, and the municipal inventories tend to get squeezed together by some - a bit like the olde days at electoral booths with the lucky ones who couldnt distinguish between the three levels of government!(what election am I at? etc) - a cover article is needed, otherwise it is potentially misleading! So what you guys doing to the non existent rain?  :)  SatuSuro 10:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Eventually we should probably have separate categories for National Heritage listings in WA (of which there are only three), National Trust listings in WA (lots), Heritage Register listings (lots) and other listings such as municipal, plus a parent category to hold them all. But I'm happy enough to start small. Snottygobble 10:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * ''Thanks. I was/am considering calling it something like that but want to keep clear of residential palaces and the like - of which there's hundreds if you browse the Councils database. What do think? -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 05:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC


 * I don't know. IMHO, "heritage" is an overused, omni-inclusive wankword. I used it in the category title because the category is specifically defined in terms of the heritage council's heritage register; otherwise I would have preferred to avoid it. I guess I would be inclined to call your article something like Historic buildings in Perth, unless you are especially attached to the pre-/post- 1900 distinction, or wish to include buildings whose heritage value derives from something other than their place in history. Snottygobble 10:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The issue can arise where heritage can apply to things other than buildings (ie i agree with ya drew) - maybe I would suggest it would be better as Historic Structures in Perth? Just my coming in from downtown bassendean, to dem hills here - There are things in the Bassendean - Midland - Bellevue area I would tend to call historic structures... just an idea ? SatuSuro 12:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:Sam Vimes RfA
Well the very next sentence in my criteria does say "This does not necessarily mean I have to have come across them before; as there are edit histories, talk pages etc.", which I think covers your first point.

However, as it turns out I've just been reviewing the new comments posted since yesterday when you sent your message, and yes I am willing to reconsider given more information. I would like it if you could point out any specific conversations on talk pages or contributions to Wikipedia namespace pages that show 'good admin behaviour'. Petros471 08:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not that difficult to show how you'd behave as an admin, but it does require a bit more involvement in the admin type pages (mostly in the Wikipedia: namespace). I'm sorry to disappoint you, but on thorough review (I have gone through a lot of Sam's contributions, not just the ones you pointed out), I have decided to keep my oppose in place. Petros471 10:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Richard Roach Jewell, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  + +Lar: t/c 01:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Good article
Of course! Thanks. Snottygobble 02:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Listed as Good article yesterday I can`t fault it, Congrats.Ghostieguide 14:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, I was refering to Convictism in Western Australia Listed as GA Ghostieguide 14:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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My RfA


Hello Moondyne, and thanks for voting in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of (68/19/3). I appreciated your comments, which I hope to take on board in order to gain your respect in my work as an administrator. Best of luck in your continued editing of the encyclopedia! Sam Vimes 17:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

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Re: CDV
''Aaaargh! -- Moondyne &equiv; talk''
 * I think I just became part of the problem.
 * This guy is off the planet with his constant legal threats. If this goes much further then we're going to have to alert the Living people legal goons. Snottygobble 05:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I think I just became part of the problem.
 * Or not. I just posted a message on the talk page that was, in retrospect, perhaps inadvisable. For some reason, the edit didn't stick. I'll take that as divine intervention (thanks Jimbo!) and tone it down a bit on the repost. Snottygobble 05:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I've unblocked. I won't block the other because there are legit edits coming from it. Snottygobble 11:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yabba
Someone has prodded Yabba. Not sure whether it should be deprodded, or change it to a redirect to Stephen Gascoigne. Tintin (talk) 07:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Btw, if it is deleted, I think Stephen Gascoigne should be moved to Yabba because that is how he is better known. Tintin (talk) 07:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We can even have Yabba about the person and the other explanations in Yabba (disambiguation). Tintin (talk) 08:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I moved Yabba to Yabba (disambiguation). Yabba should now be deleted to make way for Stephen Gascoigne but I am not an admin ... Tintin (talk) 08:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Factoid Killer
Thanks for removing the abuse. I've accidentally made an interesting discovery:

Factoid Killer was the original account; it was around for a fair while, made some useful edits, built an identity. At some point the user spawned a series of abusive sockpuppets. Many sockpuppets were eventually identified as such and blocked, but it took quite a while before it was discovered that Factoid Killer was the main account of the puppeteer. Because Factoid Killer came to my attention so late in the picture, I made the mistake of tagging it as just another puppet of a later account, NSWelshman.

In this way Factoid Killer - the account with which the user most closely identified - was denied the infamy of being a disruptive sockpuppet mastermind, and tagged a mere pathetic sockpuppet; whereas NSWelshman - a mere throwaway abuse account with which the user did not closely identify - received the "glory".

Thus have I accidentally discovered a most wonderful way of denying sockpuppeteers the infamy they covet. Henceforth I pledge to tag all sockpuppet accounts in reverse, tagging the major perpetrators with lots of edits as sockpuppets of the obvious throwaway socks with virtually no edits.

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Re: Bibliography of Australia
Golly! That's a useful resource. I had no idea. Snottygobble 03:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Secession Art
Wow, only just come across - good stuff! Unfortunately I had disposed of my fathers collection on the 33 one before I even though of scanning some of it :)  or should that be :(. Hey anyway good work! SatuSuro 11:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Best Try the LISWA web site for its holding detaails SatuSuro 03:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Also very remiss no ref to Boltons a fine country to starve in! SatuSuro 03:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take it easy, just a mention, not a demand! I've lost my copy, otherwise...As for the tassie trip, that was once in a decade.... Hey its almost the weekend! SatuSuro 04:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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Re: New articles
''A dumb question, but is there a tool or page to list only NEW articles I've created? If not how else would one do that? -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 11:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)''
 * I've often wondered that myself. I searched all over when I first decided to create a Contributions page, but no luck. Special:New pages only caches a month or so of info, so its not much help. I imagine the most efficient way to do it manually would be to cut and paste the set of articles on your watchlist into a text editor. You could fairly quickly identify a large group that you definitely did create, another large group that you definitely didn't create, and another group that you don't really care whether you created or not. Hopefully that would leave you with only a couple of hundred articles to manually check.
 * The other thing I wondered is what is my personal "oldest page" i.e. the page I created that has withstood the longest period of time without an edit. Eventually curiosity got the better of me and I manually checked. Murchison River, Western Australia has survived 15 months without an edit. Can't imagine why - it's not exactly comprehensive. (Lets get this out of the way: no I couldn't care less if you edit it and kill off my record) Snottygobble 11:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually took the bait and went there but couldn't bring myself to do it! Lets see how long now that its in the PD. -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 11:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Congratulations
Sweet! 12345 is such a cool number that if I had known I would have immediately retired from editing forever. But unfortunately I had already ticked it over by responding above, so I guess now I'll have to stick around until 123456. Snottygobble 11:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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 * I've always wanted to do that ;) Snottygobble 11:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Whack a license on it and I'll leave it on my Barnstars page for a while. Snottygobble 12:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:MOSDAB
Hello,

I've had to revert your changes to dab page Gabba, because they followed an outdated MoS. Please see WP:MOSDAB, especially about:


 * Only one bluelink per item, except special cases
 * No bolding, except for the lead and sub-topics

Dab pages are only temporary navigational tools: if someone made a wrong link to Gabba in his article, and a reader clicks on it, the dab page's only goal is to help the reader quickly find which item is the one he wanted to read about, hence the single bluelink rule. It's not supposed to be a perfect dicdef for each item, but only a concise summary to decide which item is the one the reader wanted. (However, when an item is a redlink, the item's definition can be a bit more complete and/or include source, for further work.)

Actually, dab pages aren't even part of the encyclopedia, because we're supposed to regularly purge their "What links here" by fixing all incoming pages that are in error, so that each article directly link to its intended target.

Regards, -- 62.147.112.36 12:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Fremantle Arts Center
Hi Moondyne. Nice work with the Freo Art Center, very interesting. The photo is much better. I will remove mine.Ghostieguide 06:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Perth Streets (otherwise, late one Saturday Night...
Probably worth looking at Ali K's talk page to see what I said in my exasperation of St Geos crap, and Forrest Place et al...SatuSuro 14:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, will try to articulate it further into the perth project thingy SatuSuro 14:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I really think going skeletal is not the way either - there has to be a balance, some of the junk could have been re-written into the article. SatuSuro 14:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The old problem of time and resources! Hey I havent suggested some crazy scheme to you for weeks, I'm failing in my role as yours and certain others (not mentioned)suggester of misdirected energy from the bloody hills telling you sandflatters to do this or that (which you probably dont do anyways) SatuSuro 14:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Cripes if you've been coping with George Leake (all three of him) just remember at least one incarnation was probably one of Horgans hungry six on Adelaide Terrace!SatuSuro 14:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Gawd, I am half relieved that all my perth, hills, west oz hist and tas hist are all in unmarked boxes in storage!!!! It's the Padburys that leave me in apoplexy - the Padbury buildings in Guildford, Bassendean and Forrest Place need a bloody good art, but oh hell, I gotta give up on the ideas one day!! SatuSuro 14:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Shucks, anal? I was trying to say that we keep them close to stubs, I agreed with your pruning of St Geos mess, but I thought if anyone was going to be pedantic about them, a template with either a map or table was more likely a way to go? Hey have you come across the padbury empire yet? SatuSuro 15:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the ref - that's him, my father once owned a 100 kg weight collection of stud books (sheep, horses, etc)owned by him - thank god we disposed of them! SatuSuro 15:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes thats a good precis by peta of camilleris adb entry - should get a pickie of the basso or guildford buildings (havent see a good one of the forrest place building ever in my picture hunts in battye) to put in the art as it smells of no local knowledge at all! Hey thanks again, I owes ya! SatuSuro 15:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * There's the outside chance I'll be doing the walk from clock to memorial in the next week (school hols bored kids) - maybe piccies and details SatuSuro 15:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey the reconstituted kings park looks good. i have to stop now, bet you're relieved ;) SatuSuro 15:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Erickson and Dictionary
Have started (should have stayed in sandbox) and bit of a mess (whats new from me) will try and fix up later, apologies SatuSuro 04:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Very embarrassing, the art dictionary has the wrong title (western it should be) so that will have to become redirect, and so on. If you want to you are most welcome!SatuSuro 05:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the shift, please check it SatuSuro 07:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW absolutely staggered at how good the historic buildings of Perth looks! SatuSuro 09:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Shame on you - you would erase a ref to the State Records Office? ! Will need to educate you on that one!!!01:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Fremantle Arts Centre, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 05:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I updated it actually. User:Ghostieguide created it. -- Moondyne &equiv; talk 05:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool! WikiProject Banksia has a pretty high profile lately thanks to Gnangarra. He's a highly-tuned DYK / GA / FA machine!
 * We've just had a WP:GA nomination fail for Banksia brownii, and I'm feeling very very grumpy about it at the moment. I think the article is just about FA quality, so to miss GA was a fair old kick in the teeth. I'll be logging off now until my urge to yell at someone has subsided. Snottygobble 05:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I'm not the only person around here to think of that (re: the name). It's a comfort that some people around here are just as crass as me. Snottygobble 11:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Bummer :-( Snottygobble 00:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Boy Charlton
...is now up and running. I've gone on deletion strike for a while, and it feels good to be reporting at WP:NAA for the first time since 26/5. Only one more redlink to Australian Olympic medalists in Swimming left which I am typing up as I speak and it will be ready for an FLC polish and relaunch. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 04:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC).

Blnguyen, I wondered what you thought of my suggestion above. Be honest. -- Moondyne 09:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm looking into it. Sorry, seems like I've caught myself into a moderation of a messy personal attack campaign on some Indian religious articles, I was mentioned in a bogus arbitration case (though not named as a party), and also had to resign from Esperanza, and reply to a complaint as to my comment on an RfA. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 02:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism?
I fix a redirect and you say I'm commiting vandalism? You need to be more careful with your accusations. --Small black sun 06:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing this. --Small black sun 19:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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State Records Office of Western Australia
Please note! :)   SatuSuro 02:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC) I hope the entry is clear enough to help dissipate the confusion ! SatuSuro 02:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * What is really needed now is a sub cat in history of western australia for 'resources' - so that battye, sro, the distionary and other aids/guides dont get lost in amongst structures etc?

I have to take son number two bowling v soon either i would check other states to see what they do - would appreciate some feedback on this one! SatuSuro 02:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yup my late folks were good mates with rica but thats another story some other time... Oh - and the dictionary art is looking good! :) SatuSuro 02:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sensible answer ok, but like the kiss of death to me :) , previous suggestions in there have gone no-where  :)  or I will have to pick up on them later!  :)  seeya! SatuSuro 03:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Re Challenge Bank - good reasoning, I'd leave it out! As for italic/bold i was thinking of the pedants who follow  :)   SatuSuro 10:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You might or might not be interested in the Wise Directory entry? :) SatuSuro 13:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC) I'll keep out of the way the moment! When you're ready! SatuSuro 13:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hamelin et all
Well worth the enthusiasm! Good work - but have you ever sighted: - Fornasiero, Jean; Monteath, Peter and West-Sooby, John. Encountering Terra Australis: the Australian voyages of Nicholas Baudin and Matthew Flinders, Kent Town, South Australia,Wakefield Press,2004. ISBN 1862546258 - well worth checking out, my copy is temporarily invisible, but I do have it :)  SatuSuro 06:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No sign of any art, so my sloppy start Jacques Felix Emmanuel Hamelin there may be a problem with the diacritical in the e of Felix :( for to find in wiki (doh!)

... hope the translation went well - Hamelin and Naturaliste get 40+ mentions in Fornasiero's index, I found the book at last! :) SatuSuro 04:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Another gem. Thanks again Ian. Blnguyen | rant-line 04:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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Re: e-mail
Absolutely tops. Thanks. Snottygobble 05:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Lakes
What is your position on Lakes and qualifiers - most West OZ lakes seem to have had Western Australia pulled off? SatuSuro 01:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Oi dont go changing things yet - maybe there is no good reason for the removing qualifiers - I mean some of my west coast tassie lakes have very common names - i am bloodywell going to put qualifiers, or as an editor i would seem a right royal charlie- but maybe I am anyways :) SatuSuro 02:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ian, can I refer you to a previous discussion between SatuSuro and me at Talk:Point Peron? Is it time we proposed a standard naming for all geographic places in WA / Australia? Snottygobble 03:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW - have been beefing up Cape Naturaliste, Hamelin Bay and Cape Leeuwin for when the stuff mentioned below shows up :0  SatuSuro 10:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Re lakes etc If you look at the changes, they seemed to be done by one non australian (I think) person last december. I would like to think that sufficient support from a couple of oz admins could possibly re-assert qualified features that might otherwise attract DAB issues? I might run it pass a couple of others as well.  SatuSuro 12:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Even more pertinent in view of what you have just joined up with :) SatuSuro 13:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well done ! I sure hope you havent given yourself more work from this! Thanks anyway, i've got it all on my watch list  SatuSuro 13:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Translating French Jacques Félix Emmanuel Hamelin Article
Just letting you know that I've started work on the article you requested, I'll keep you updated if you'd like -FaerieInGrey 07:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a subpage for its progress here because I don't want to leave a half-written article in the place of the current one, I'll have it completely done by some time tomorrow :) -FaerieInGrey 08:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Jacques Félix Emmanuel Hamelin - And done, but unfortunately doesn't have much on what you are interested in. It was also written in a very strange style... I did a little editing but wanted to get the core translation done first.  Hope it is still useful to you :) - FaerieInGrey 13:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey I think its excellent! well done FaerieInGrey and Moondyne - it was well worth pursuing! SatuSuro 13:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

New Aus
Thanks for the pics. I'd get a map for the article too, if I knew where it actually was :) --Peta 04:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Saw this, thought of you
User talk:Interiot. Snottygobble 05:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Calyute
Enjoyed the half-tonne of flour story so much that I used it as the tagline instead. Hope it's okay. Thanks for the great article -- Samir  धर्म 11:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Extreme points of Australia
Considering what you are doing at the moment, here's a distraction yes ? :) SatuSuro 13:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for the contributions! -- Samir  धर्म 23:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey must be v close! :) (oh well done anyway!) SatuSuro 04:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Snottygobble/Drafts/List of watercourses in Western Australia
I embarked on this as an experiment, with particular regard to the proposed naming conventions. Is it encyclopaedic? Is it too long? If so, is there a sensible way of splitting it?

There are 16 watercourses named "Spring Creek" in Western Australia. And two homesteads. We need to consider how to disambig one level down. I think Local Government Area is probably best.

One thing that's bothering me is the messiness of splitting suburbs/towns from rivers when they share a name: e.g. Boyup Brook. It is absolutely unacceptable to have different articles at Boyup Brook, Western Australia (for the town) and Boyup Brook (Western Australia) (for the brook); we'd be a laughing stock to anyone who wasn't intimately familiar with the conventions. The only solution that I can see is to put them at Boyup Brook (Western Australian town) and Boyup Brook (Western Australian watercourse), make a disambig page (e.g at Boyup Brook (Western Australia) and turn Boyup Brook, Western Australia into a redirect to the disambig. Messy.

This has been a worthwhile experiment so far.... ;-) Snottygobble 13:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Articles like SatuSuro's Nyaania Creek make a pretty good case for Category:Rivers of Western Australia to be renamed to Category:Watercourses of Western Australia. More verifiable that way too. How do we decide whether Boyup Brook is a river or not? And the Swan River is an estuary for most of it. Snottygobble 13:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Get Well
Don't let it get to you - keep tweaking the thoughts of the day to humrous ones! :) SatuSuro 06:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

NowCommons
Hi, you've deleted Image:Burren2.jpg, but obviously didn't check at all if all the necessary information were transferred. Don't do so :-( Without a clear source and an author, this file will be deleted on Commons soon.

So could you look this up and add the needed information to commons:Image:Burren2.jpg please? Thanks -Tom 01:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's fixed. -- Moondyne 03:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks, Mentelle's down the line, just trying to make a hash of the goldfields water scheme, please feel free to bash me/it into shape (gently) :) SatuSuro 03:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Rivers
I've redirected links to a number of river articles that definitely belong at Whatever River (Western Australia). You probably noticed I moved Margaret back to Margaret River, Western Australia on the grounds that the town is more prominent than the river, and the article is more about the town than the river. Working on Swan River links now.

The Gazetteer confirms that Blackwood River is unambiguous within Australia, and a brief google suggests that it is unambiguous worldwide. Should it be at Blackwood River or Blackwood River (Western Australia)? The naming convention that we have just agreed on gives different answers depending on whether we use the version at Naming conventions (places) or the version at WP:AWNB.

Snottygobble 04:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for sorting out Margaret River, I agree with that. IMO, (is this a test?) the Blackwood should be Blackwood River (Western Australia) on the basis of consistency within rivers, and consistency with towns.
 * Out of curiosity, in AWB, what source list do you use to find the river articles for disambiguation? -- Moondyne 04:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't test.
 * That's not what (some versions of) the new naming convention says. WP:AWNB says "Unambiguously named geographic features use Geographic Feature, e.g. Uluru;"
 * Blackwood River (Western Australia) doesn't bother me, but I'll eat my socks before I create Archipelago of the Recherche (Western Australia) :) Snottygobble 04:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * For each river, I generate a list using the "whatlinkshere" option. Snottygobble 04:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The mind boggles. Snottygobble 05:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help with the link fixes; I'd just about had enough. Good for the edit count though ;-) Snottygobble 12:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

''In List of postcodes in Western Australia, there's an entry for Gascoyne River, separate from the Gascoyne Junction entry. I checked with Australia Post's postcode search and it does indeed show a locality called Gascoyne River.

''I changed the entries but am now uncertain if I've done the right thing. Could you review plse. -- Moondyne 01:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the Gazetteer, there is a "LOCB" (= town or bounded locality) named "Gascoyne River" more than 110km east of "Gascoyne Junction". Seems to me you did the right thing. Snottygobble 01:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Bangladesh
Hello Ian.

I'm not sure about this one. I also created titles with New Zealand, Pakistan, West Indies and Zimbabwe instead of nationality because I thought they sound better. The thing is that English cricket was already there and that does sound better than England cricket so it was a bit of a balancing act really! I have an open mind about Bangladesh so if you can effect a speedy then by all means.

All the best, --BlackJack | talk page 06:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, Ian. That leaves new Zealand which is the very difficult one.  Do you think that should stay as is?  --BlackJack | talk page 06:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Le Soef
My father met him in 1929 (!) and I have to wait for the shed to be built and the storage units emptied to get my hands on my fathers papers to see if I can find anything.. (2007?) :) SatuSuro 02:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Gawd, if they ever fix the servers and have easy access to edit counts, you'll be up there in heaven! :) SatuSuro 11:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll correct that, God will be speaking to you! SatuSuro 04:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * By this stage, with all the AWB stuff under your belt, I'd say the late Douglas Adams will be sending you a message at any moment :)


 * BTW Thanks for the welcome SatuSuro 08:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Shopping Mall articles
Hi, you recently voted to keeep the article Macarthur Square. Could you please suggest something that could be added to the article to make it notable compared to all the other articles for shopping malls on Wikipedia? I ask this because I cannot see what makes one shopping centre notable compared to the one in the next suburb. Not every house has an article, why should every shopping centre? Thanks, I hope to implement some of your suggestions. I am happy to conduct a reasonable amount of web-based investigation to implement some of your thoughts. --Garrie 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Rugby league
Hi Moondyne. I noticed you were changing occurences of "Rugby League" to "Rugby league". I believe the convention is actually to use "rugby league", when not at the beginning of a sentence. JPD (talk) 10:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur, rugby league it is --Angry mob mulls options 11:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

What about Rugby League Football? Why would you not call it by its official name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.225.219.33 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 4 August 2006.


 * Could you please stop changing 'rugby league' to 'Rugby league'. I have spent a lot of time changing articles that refer to 'Rugby League' to the correct lowercase. Whilst 'Rugby football' is the correct name for the type of football played at Rugby school, it is not correct to write either 'Rugby league' or 'Rugby League' (except when referring to the organisation). No dictionary would list 'Rugby ball' or 'Rugby shirt' as being correct either.GordyB 14:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I can see your point here and agree now that I've done the wrong thing. I will revert these ASAP. Apologies everyone. -- Moondyne 14:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The grammatical issue involved is that 'Rugby' is the name of a place and as such has a capital letter. This creates a grey area in grammar with words derived from place names sometimes being capitalised and sometimes not. 'Hamburger' comes from Hamburg but is not normally capitalised as this words have long since been so absorbed that nobody thinks of 'Hamburg' when they order a hamburger.
 * Rugby league has little connection with the town of Rugby, Rugby did not even have a team until fairly recently. Australian football has a very strong connection with Australia which is why it is normally capitalised. Rugby league newspapers and magazines (in the UK at least) mostly capitalise 'Rugby League' (the sport) and use lowercase for 'rugby union'. This is why the practice is fairly common on Wikipedia.
 * To be consistant, if you write 'Rugby league', you should also write 'Rugby ball' and 'Rugby shirt'. Very few people do and no dictionary would list this as correct. Certainly no dictionary would list 'Rugby Ball' or 'Rugby Shirt' as so 'Rugby League' is definitely wrong.
 * Writing 'Rugby league' would also be inconsistant with the names of most other sports such as 'table tennis' (not 'Table tennis').
 * Names of organisations, however, do take capitals so 'Rugby League' is correct when talking about the organisation of that name (as is the Rugby Union).GordyB 15:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "Start of sentence" is insufficient. This edit decapitalized one cell in a table where all others are capitalized. jnestorius(talk) 18:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Removing divert from Rugby League Football
Why the hell did you remove the divert from Rugby League Football to Rugby League. Seeing that everyone calls it Rugby League Football, it is a fucking stupid move. I noticed that you changed all references to Rugby League as football to Rugby league. If you are a Victorian fuck off and if you are Sydney, actually learn the NAME of the game. Wikipedia adheres to colloquial language, not whatever the fuck you want to call it. If you need proof of my assertions, just ask and I will provide, otherwise change it back and get the fuck off footbll articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.225.219.33 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 4 August 2006.


 * Whilst I would not condone the tone of the anonymous user's post, he does have a point. It is not wrong (though unusual in the UK) to refer to rugby league as 'football' see Football (word) and it is quite the norm in Queensland and New South Wales. As long as it is clear that the reference is to league and not any other kind of football there is no problem. I also agree that the redirect should be set up again, I personally don't say 'rugby league football' but it is fairly common usage.GordyB 14:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I seem to have rather assumed that you were guilty of what you were accused of without checking for myself. If you feel that you have not made any changes then you probably didn't. Apologies.GordyB 15:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks GordyB. The anon user may have been referring to changes of "League" to "league" which had been the main thrust of my changes. That surely stays. He may also have been complaining about my move of Roy Masters(Rugby League Football coach) to Roy Masters (Rugby league coach), which is trivial. Its now Roy Masters (rugby league coach) -- Moondyne 15:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * A bizarre rant, the complete term "rugby league football" largely unheard in Oz. Everyday usage would be shared between league, rugby league, and just plain football. --Angry mob mulls options 07:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the rant, had not had my sugar fix. Apologies. Okay, firstly, Mob, listen to Sterlo talk about football, that is the term he will use. It is also the term on Fox sports. Still do not believe it, go down to your local football club and it is probably a Junior RL Football Club. Look, I will even show you the links [], [], [], I could go on, but it would just be pointless. [] is a good enough round up.

Secondly I objected to the renaming, a redirect from Rugby League coach to Rugby League Football coach would have been adequate. Thirdly apologies again, I thought you had removed entirely the RL football thing and could not possibly understand why such a thing would be done. The best that I could understand was that you were trying to assert that it was not football which I deemed aggressive and petty-spirited. It would be best however to keep any redirect that sounds like that, capitals or no capitals. Fourthly I think that Rugby League should be changes to Rugby League Football. Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.225.219.207 (talk • contribs)
 * Whilst it's traditional for clubs to use RLFC, I still maintain that in my 30+ years supporting the game that RLF is a fairly uncommon phrase to label the game itself - it's a bit of a tautology actually. OK, page hijack over :p --Angry mob mulls options 16:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear 60.225.219.*, as you seem to have a dymamic IP address, I'll respond here, but you really should consider opening a user account so that people can leave you a message and know that you'll get it. Its easy to do and has lots of advantages.  See Special:Userlogin and press "Create one".  A couple of other things I need to say to clear the air. 1) I am not mean spirited, quite the opposite; 2) never, ever, swear like you did again no matter what your feelngs are or you will be blocked from using Wikipedia; 3) I am not from Melbourne (or Sydney) and have no view whatsoever about the turf war between the football codes; 4) Wikipedia does not adhere to colloquial language, it adheres to encyclopaedic facts and when there's grey areas (and there's lots), we use consensus amongst users.  Many new editors write Wikipedia articles like they read in a newspaper or magazine - with emotive language and strong points of view.  That is incorrect style and is not allowed here; 5) I've left the Roy Masters (rugby league coach) article (which is an good example of a bad article) named as it is because I believe that to be the correct name for the article based on disambiguation article naming policy; 6) I accept your apologies in the kind spirit they were given.


 * I do not wish to get into debating "Rugby League Football" (all capitals, 3 words) here other than to point to Gordy's well laid out explanation above. I suggest that if you wish to raise the issue of a name change for the rugby league article I suggest you take it to Talk: Rugby league where experienced users such as Gordy, JPD and others can offer input.  If you need any further help, just ask.  -- Moondyne 16:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

AWB edits
Hi -- I believe I saw one your edits change "Rugby", which was the first word of a new sentence, into lowercase. I just wanted to give you a heads up, as it looks like you might be lowercasing all instances of "rugby" indiscriminately. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 01:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's the edit I'm referring to. Obviously, if you wanted to do a full run and then change instances of ". rugby" to ". Rugby", this might work, but I'm not sure if higher-ups will be happy with the first error being there (and I also don't know what problems may arise in the case of ellipses before "Rugby"). I don't use AWB, so please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 01:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your message on my talk page -- I was just afraid you might have been running a bot with the potential of numerous mistakes (which was an unfouned assumption). Since it appears you're doing it yourself, sorry to bother you. I guess I just assumed AWB meant bot, for some reason. Keep up the good work! -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 01:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Politeness
Dont be so bloody polite, we've got a dyk and fa there if we keep at it :) the more you do your bit and etc the more likely something will come of it ;) SatuSuro 01:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I mean with your rugby mates :( the pipeline is not so problematic yes? I dont know if I can find enuf today (maybe tuesday if im at battye), but I'll keep you posted SatuSuro 01:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry didnt answer your question, it would have most probably had something like longest/biggest at its time, but has probably been surpassed since. SatuSuro 01:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

All Westfields are the same
Please see my suggestion that All Westfields are the same, and my proposed new article, Westfields in Australia. --Garrie 05:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Made it in the nick of time! Great article -- Samir  धर्म 08:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW thank you and there's more to add on the way to a fa :) heheh (that all should rhyme) SatuSuro 09:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey the biblio collected for the Water Authority about the GWSS some decades ago was like a small mono in itself apparently - there's probably at least two or three small monos that have never been written - that need to be - as O'Connor has been done to death - but there are many other dimensions to it (as you might see with the increase of headings that can be expanded). If you wish me luck, I do hope you can keep tabs as I put things in :)  Thanks, I know you will  :)  SatuSuro 09:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)